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This pic is on the BSN website...and notice how his left tri doesn't appear to be in such bad shape...By the way, I don't think Cutler's arms are even close to this....at least from what I saw in the last video posted in bodybuilding.com
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Alot of people are saying Ronnie is looking terrible and way off. I think Ronnie looks awesome now and is going to blow us away again at the Olympia.
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Damn thats a huge discrepancy and the pic is straight on too
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nd you really dont like coleman do you
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nd you really dont like coleman do you
what gives you that impression?
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nd you really dont like coleman do you
Oh yes I must hate Coleman for pointing out the painfully obvious ::) Yes I'm wrong and you're right there is NO discrepancy between the size of his arms they're perfectly balanced ::) you've figured me out , if I didn't like Coleman I could jump in on the bandwagon with all the people who make fun of the way he speaks etc thats not me don't mistake my comments on his physique for anything more than that .
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Small biceps ::)
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ND is such a tool.
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Damn thats a huge discrepancy and the pic is straight on too
ND...while there is a discrepancy, don't you think you exagerate a little by saying that there is a "huge" discrepancy? :-\
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ND is such a tool.
I may be a tool but I'm right ;)
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ND...while there is a discrepancy, don't you think you exagerate a little by saying that there is a "huge" discrepancy? :-\
you should see what he posts on the truce thread.. :-\
pages and pages of exaggerated verbage that is disproven with a simple glance at a pic or two..
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Oh yes I must hate Coleman for pointing out the painfully obvious ::) Yes I'm wrong and you're right there is NO discrepancy between the size of his arms they're perfectly balanced ::) you've figured me out , if I didn't like Coleman I could jump in on the bandwagon with all the people who make fun of the way he speaks etc thats not me don't mistake my comments on his physique for anything more than that .
i didnt say you were wrong..
and i didnt say colemans arms were both the same size..
if i did please point out where?
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it was just a general opinion... based on the fact that
90% of what you say regarding coleman is negative
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you should see what he posts on the truce thread.. :-\
pages and pages of exaggerated verbage that is disproven with a simple glance at a pic or two..
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lmfao you're so desperate , keep looking for comfort in numbers. you have yet to counter my argument because you can't.
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i didnt say you were wrong..
and i didnt say colemans arms were both the same size..
if i did please point out where?
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it was just a general opinion... based on the fact that
90% of what you say regarding coleman is negative
Again what is negative? all my critiques of Coleman are reserved to his physique and thats it , so if saying Ronnie has pathetic calves is negative I guess I'm guilty ;)
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Damn thats a huge discrepancy and the pic is straight on too
His arms are definitely unbalanced. What should he do to fix em?
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His arms are definitely unbalanced. What should he do to fix em?
Stop training the right arm lol
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Again what is negative? all my critiques of Coleman are reserved to his physique and thats it , so if saying Ronnie has pathetic calves is negative I guess I'm guilty ;)
there is not one bodybuilder.. with absolutley no flaws..
it seems to be your life ambitiion to point out ronnie coleman's
im not great fan of dorians.. you wont see me on all dorian threads pointing out is numerous flaws
you have stated on ocassion that you are not a fan of colemans physique.. yet aprox 90% of your posts
areabout him..
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there is not one bodybuilder.. with absolutley no flaws..
it seems to be your life ambitiion to point out ronnie coleman's
im not great fan of dorians.. you wont see me on all dorian threads pointing out is numerous flaws
you have stated on ocassion that you are not a fan of colemans physique.. yet aprox 90% of your posts
areabout him..
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No this was in reference to which would be more of a liability a torn bicep or two underdveloped calves and my point stands true calves are more of a liability because they can be seen from every angle in every pose
and you have plenty of people to point of Yates' flaws already don't worry they're doing to proud ;)
I think Ronnie Coleman looked great early in his career past 2001 ASC its been all down hill and I just love correcting the typical Coleman fan and their delusional hero-worship , its fun.
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there is not one bodybuilder.. with absolutley no flaws..
it seems to be your life ambitiion to point out ronnie coleman's
im not great fan of dorians.. you wont see me on all dorian threads pointing out is numerous flaws
you have stated on ocassion that you are not a fan of colemans physique.. yet aprox 90% of your posts
areabout him..
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like I said, ND is a total moron.
according to him, dorian had no flaws LOL ::)
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like I said, ND is a total moron.
according to him, dorian had no flaws LOL ::)
Oh really ? please show me where I ever claimed Yates had no flaws ;) you can't and now you're getting really desperate to bad mouth me because I've corrected your nonsense you've resorted to lying ( wouldn't be the first time ) Yates does indeed have flaws , however his strengths out number them ;)
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pics of a waterlogged colemen from the summer tell us alot more of what colemen left arm will look like on the 29th as compared to the 6 week out pics ::)
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Oh really ? please show me where I ever claimed Yates had no flaws ;) you can't and now you're getting really desperate to bad mouth me because I've corrected your nonsense you've resorted to lying ( wouldn't be the first time ) Yates does indeed have flaws , however his strengths out number them ;)
lol you have 'corrected' us with words that have shown to have no basis in reality.. ::)
I can type what ever I want, it does not mean it is true in real life.
this is your problem.
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lol you have 'corrected' us with words that have shown to have no basis in reality.. ::)
I can type what ever I want, it does not mean it is true in real life.
this is your problem.
you jerk off to coleman pictures because you think he is a god
that is your problem
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lol you have 'corrected' us with words that have shown to have no basis in reality.. ::)
I can type what ever I want, it does not mean it is true in real life.
this is your problem.
NO bases in reality? you're at home on your PC kid thats not reality and your slanted comparisons and ignorant claims are very much out of touch with reality , so was your claim Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia lol thats reality?
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STFU BOTH OF YOU!!!!!!
GODDAMN JESUS CHRIST DO YOU EVER, EVER STOP!!??
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STFU BOTH OF YOU!!!!!!
GODDAMN JESUS CHRIST DO YOU EVER, EVER STOP!!??
Hey newbie pump-up the post count before you bark ...before I Mike Vic your ass ! ;)
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Hey newbie pump-up the post count before you bark ...before I Mike Vic your ass ! ;)
Lame, so lame... Stop invading every goddamn thread with ur ronnie-hatin, dorian-lovin bullshit.
It was interesting at first, fun after a while and just plain pathetic post 1000+ pages.
All the energy you've put into convincing a few internet trolls that dorian was better than ronnie just doesn't seem to pay off.
Do you have a life, ND?
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Lame, so lame... Stop invading every goddamn thread with ur ronnie-hatin, dorian-lovin bullshit.
It was interesting at first, fun after a while and just plain pathetic post 1000+ pages.
All the energy you've put into convincing a few internet trolls that dorian was better than ronnie just doesn't seem to pay off.
Do you have a life, ND?
You couldn't be any more wrong , I don't invade ' every goddamn thread ' thats fiction , thats Hulkster ;)
and the energy isn't invested in trying to convince them Dorian was better thats not possible the energy is invest by correcting all their ignorant claims there is a difference ( thats twice you're wrong )
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You couldn't be any more wrong , I don't invade ' every goddamn thread ' thats fiction , thats Hulkster ;)
and the energy isn't invested in trying to convince them Dorian was better thats not possible the energy is invest by correcting all their ignorant claims there is a difference ( thats twice you're wrong )
The simple fact that you even bother to correct their so called "ignorant claims" tells a whole lot.
Like I've said, post 1000+ pages is PATHETIC and just proves that something besides the discussion itself is motivating you to keep on going.
Insanity? No life? Being a Dorian guy?
My guess is all three of them.
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This pic is on the BSN website...and notice how his left tri doesn't appear to be in such bad shape...By the way, I don't think Cutler's arms are even close to this....at least from what I saw in the last video posted in bodybuilding.com
Jay's arms are much worse then COleman's, just look how much smaller his right is then his left arm. They both have some simmerty issues, but if Ronnie comes in with conditioning in the olympia, its lights out for Jay. The lat seems to be fine also, ronnie was right , he doesnt have a back injury, have you seen him doing those heavy ass rows? You cant do that when injured.
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Jay's arms are much worse then COleman's, just look how much smaller his right is then his left arm. They both have some simmerty issues, but if Ronnie comes in with conditioning in the olympia, its lights out for Jay. The lat seems to be fine also, ronnie was right , he doesnt have a back injury, have you seen him doing those heavy ass rows? You cant do that when injured.
True, but its gonna get interesting when he is really dieted down. The so called "injuries" or other defects are gonna show a lot more. But he has improved beyond belief when you compare these pics to those off-season guestposing ones earlier this year. Looked like he was screwed up for life.
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personallly, I think the last few years Ronnie has made a mistake by aiming for a number (bodyweight) for the O. instead of a 'look'.
eg. he was so determined to show up in 04 at 300+ pounds and look what happened? he looked like garbage.
in 05 he looked good because he dropped his weight and easily beat Jay.
if Ronnie is going for a smaller, but more ripped look, his quality will be enough to beat Jay.
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personallly, I think the last few years Ronnie has made a mistake by aiming for a number (bodyweight) for the O. instead of a 'look'.
eg. he was so determined to show up in 04 at 300+ pounds and look what happened? he looked like garbage.
in 05 he looked good because he dropped his weight and easily beat Jay.
if Ronnie is going for a smaller, but more ripped look, his quality will be enough to beat Jay.
He was problaby trying replicate the 03 form. So true that less weight is better for him. Even though if he drops weight he wont look less massive, quite the opposite. The only thing that has really grown over the past few years is the gut and thighs somewhat.
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even if he can get down to 285, he could look like this (as in 2005) and still probably win:
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even if he can get down to 285, he could look like this (as in 2005) and still probably win:
Cutler is a great bodybuilder and everything, but I really don't see how he can beat Ronnie if he comes looking like this pic...(Ronnie just has too much muscle for Cutler)
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you should see what he posts on the truce thread.. :-\
pages and pages of exaggerated verbage that is disproven with a simple glance at a pic or two..
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hahahahahaa Yes Hulkster, with pictures of 1999 you proof all the haters wrong. ::) ;D :P
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even if he can get down to 285, he could look like this (as in 2005) and still probably win:
Is that from 2005???????
WOW :o :o :o :o If Ronnie comes in looking like this.....its lights out!
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even if he can get down to 285, he could look like this (as in 2005) and still probably win:
don't forget to post one of your well used ronnie pics from 99
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Small biceps ::)
they do look small.
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The simple fact that you even bother to correct their so called "ignorant claims" tells a whole lot.
Like I've said, post 1000+ pages is PATHETIC and just proves that something besides the discussion itself is motivating you to keep on going.
Insanity? No life? Being a Dorian guy?
My guess is all three of them.
Again you couldn't be any more wrong , I'm not insane ( that I know of ) I do have a life ( a well rounded one ) and I'm NOT under the delusional that Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived and think he's untouchable , I simple think at his best he would be able to beat Ronnie Coleman , and again its over 1K pages because some people are very thick and I have to explain how the entire infrasctructure of competitive bodybuilding works , what symmetry is and isn't what balance & proportion is and isn't , what muscle density is etc these people are children and its my duty to teach them , but alas they're all short-bus kids and they have to be thought over and over , lucky for them I have the patience of Job !!
so sorry sport ( like them ) wrong again.
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How would you know how dense ones muscle is without taking a biopsy.
If you had a lump of iron and a lump of plastic painted the same or similar colour , how can you tell which is denser.
The fact is you can't possibly know the density of an object just by looking at it.
I think you must be confusing density with extreme low bodyfat plus dehydration.
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How would you know how dense ones muscle is without taking a biopsy.
If you had a lump of iron and a lump of plastic painted the same or similar colour , how can you tell which is denser.
The fact is you can't possibly know the density of an object just by looking at it.
I think you must be confusing density with dehydration.
Strictly by appearance of the muscle and you can most certainly tell if someone is holding water or is totally dry !
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how can ronnie win when jay has already been credited with the win and the show hasnt even took place?
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pics of a waterlogged colemen from the summer tell us alot more of what colemen left arm will look like on the 29th as compared to the 6 week out pics ::)
Classic internet nonsense. You take a picture where his left arm is raised higher than his right arm and then you draw a line and say he is not symetrical...unbelievabl e stupidity.
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you jerk off to coleman pictures because you think he is a god
that is your problem
fuck, havee you seen some of the pics of ronnie out there??? he looks like a greek god sometimes. Those high atop mt olympus were probably not the bob paris build. They probably looked like mutants, aka ronnie.
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Oh really ? please show me where I ever claimed Yates had no flaws ;) you can't and now you're getting really desperate to bad mouth me because I've corrected your nonsense you've resorted to lying ( wouldn't be the first time ) Yates does indeed have flaws , however his strengths out number them ;)
The fucker had only 1 bicep in on olympia and it looked absolutley awful.
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even if he can get down to 285, he could look like this (as in 2005) and still probably win:
jesus h christ ronnie looks awesome there...Im not a big fan of the mass guys but shit thats pure quality there
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you should see what he posts on the truce thread.. :-\
pages and pages of exaggerated verbage that is disproven with a simple glance at a pic or two..
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the funny thing about the truce thread is that nd went away for months and months and you just kept it going and going.
I bet you'd sell your soul just to get the last word in on that thread, it means more than life itself......admit it :P
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Classic internet nonsense. You take a picture where his left arm is raised higher than his right arm and then you draw a line and say he is not symetrical...unbelievabl e stupidity.
lol!! nice catch nyc. I was about to comment, but I couldn't have said it better! ;D
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lol!! nice catch nyc. I was about to comment, but I couldn't have said it better! ;D
hahah, thanks...if the guy just drew a line from one elbow to the next it would be clear, but that would be too much to ask...Maybe this hating on Ronnie thing, like Special Ed said, is getting out of hand?.
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Classic internet nonsense. You take a picture where his left arm is raised higher than his right arm and then you draw a line and say he is not symetrical...unbelievabl e stupidity.
douchebag look at the line, the bicep on the left is slightly above the line while the left tricep is miles away from the right!
some idiots look at things with blinders and your one of them!
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douchebag look at the line, the bicep on the left is slightly above the line while the left tricep is miles away from the right!
some idiots look at things with blinders and your one of them!
Hey asshole! If you dislike Ronnie so much ? Why do you enter every single post with his name in the Title ?
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Strictly by appearance of the muscle and you can most certainly tell if someone is holding water or is totally dry !
exactly.
and we can show that ND has no fucking clue about either because he says dorian is more dense and dry than Ronnie Coleman in 1999.. ::)
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exactly.
and we can show that ND has no fucking clue about either because he says dorian is more dense and dry than Ronnie Coleman in 1999.. ::)
Stop posting straw men please
Dorian's conditioning is legendary , Ronnie's isn't , Ronnie wasn't as sharp in 1999 as he was in 1998 nevermind compared to Dorian Yates
and save your opinion on Dorian's condition based on pictures
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
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LOL I post real pics, ND posts pages of meaningless bullshit.
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my argument is supported with PROOF not HEARSAY CONTRADICTED BY PROOF.
big differerence:
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and save your opinion on Dorian's condition based on pictures
oh, I forgot. Dorian magically appears crappy in pics but everyone else appears their best in pics...
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stupid stupid stupid.
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oh, I forgot. Dorian magically appears crappy in pics but everyone else appears their best in pics...
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stupid stupid stupid.
yeah you are stupid X 3 ;)
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douchebag look at the line, the bicep on the left is slightly above the line while the left tricep is miles away from the right!
some idiots look at things with blinders and your one of them!
its nonsense,,,because as you raise your arm up it lengthens the tricep muscle. His elbows are 5 inches off from each other.
Why not get a picture where his elbows are at the exact same height and he is flexing equaly and then draw your stupid little white lines. Why go through the trouble to use a picture that is not symetrical. oh I know, because you had come to that conclusion before you even set out to prove your hypothesis.
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Damn thats a huge discrepancy and the pic is straight on too
yeah it looks like he's still rebuilding
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its nonsense,,,because as you raise your arm up it lengthens the tricep muscle. His elbows are 5 inches off from each other.
Why not get a picture where his elbows are at the exact same height and he is flexing equaly and then draw your stupid little white lines. Why go through the trouble to use a picture that is not symetrical. oh I know, because you had come to that conclusion before you even set out to prove your hypothesis.
dude Nycbull...I know how fustrated you may have been explaining the symmerty thing to that asshole. Im like dude you gotta be shittin me with the white line business.
what a retard
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pics of a waterlogged colemen from the summer tell us alot more of what colemen left arm will look like on the 29th as compared to the 6 week out pics ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=167353.0;attach=194190;image)
slayer, who's the fvcking idiot who made this inaccurate comparison?
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slayer, who's the fvcking idiot who made this inaccurate comparison?
haha thats a fucking dumb comparison i agree
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slayer, who's the fvcking idiot who made this inaccurate comparison?
I think it was slayer who made it.
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slayer, who's the fvcking idiot who made this inaccurate comparison?
According to that pic, his arms look about the same now... it is a dumb comparison... he is holding his left arm slightly higher than his right, but hardly ANY difference in size with the two... If he can dial it in, Cutler will be in trouble :-\
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Dex and Jay have worse arm discrepencies, spare some hate for them ND. Plus since when are pre-2003 Peter McGough quotes the official barometer for all time greatness?!
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" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
I've got the book of which that quote was used from.
Anyway i just can't believe your using quotes which are frankly just opinions but at the same time ignoring the fact that your hero openly admits that he was inferior to Coleman, seems like a glaring contradiction to me.
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Ronnie Coleman's right arm is most defiently larger than his left even if he brought his left arm down, that being said it will take more than a weak tricep to take the former champ down again.
Jay wins it
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I've got the book of which that quote was used from.
Anyway i just can't believe your using quotes which are frankly just opinions but at the same time ignoring the fact that your hero openly admits that he was inferior to Coleman, seems like a glaring contradiction to me.
Lets correct your nonsense one Dorian isn't my hero , two he never openly admitted he was inferior to Coleman thats pure fantasy , when pushed on the subject if him and Ronnie faced who would win , he never once claimed " OH Ronnie is for much more superior to me I wouldn't stand a chance " as much as you delusional people like to think thats the case its not
When asked he repeatedly said it was a hard question for him to answer and that the judges would probably go with him based on a size advantage , he also stated the obvious, that he has better balance & condition compared to Ronnie , which is already two clear cut advantages in the judges eyes . what does Ronnie offer more size , big deal Yates has beaten plenty of bigger men
So nice try kid , come back when you learn how to present an argument .
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None of the geniuses on here have pointed out that your left side and right side are always slightly unequal? I knew that when I first started training 19yrs ago. Ronnie's posing cockeyed as well but he def. tore that tricep!Thats unfortunate.but it happens to a lot of people you push the limits you pay the price. He's more aware of his issues than we are,believe me there's nothing any1 can tell me about my torn pec that i havn't thought about for the past 5 yrs. And gyno before I had surgery. His voice is kinda funny though!
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None of the geniuses on here have pointed out that your left side and right side are always slightly unequal? I knew that when I first started training 19yrs ago. Ronnie's posing cockeyed as well but he def. tore that tricep!Thats unfortunate.but it happens to a lot of people you push the limits you pay the price. He's more aware of his issues than we are,believe me there's nothing any1 can tell me about my torn pec that i havn't thought about for the past 5 yrs. And gyno before I had surgery. His voice is kinda funny though!
I actually have pointed that out many times NOTHING in nature is truly symmetrical in terms of right/left exactness with that being said its obvious that there is a bigger discrepancy than normal with Ronnie's arms , and I've said before this wont have any effect on him if he's big and well conditioned .
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Lets correct your nonsense one Dorian isn't my hero , two he never openly admitted he was inferior to Coleman thats pure fantasy , when pushed on the subject if him and Ronnie faced who would win , he never once claimed " OH Ronnie is for much more superior to me I wouldn't stand a chance " as much as you delusional people like to think thats the case its not
When asked he repeatedly said it was a hard question for him to answer and that the judges would probably go with him based on a size advantage , he also stated the obvious, that he has better balance & condition compared to Ronnie , which is already two clear cut advantages in the judges eyes . what does Ronnie offer more size , big deal Yates has beaten plenty of bigger men
So nice try kid , come back when you learn how to present an argument .
lol Dorian says he would probably lose to Coleman, your not very good at listening are you. From pictures and his own personal opinion there is no reason to go with Dorian.
Yates has beaten plenty of bigger men of which can compare to Ronnie Coleman?
My god you're a delusional prick arent you
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lol Dorian says he would probably lose to Coleman, your not very good at listening are you. From pictures and his own personal opinion there is no reason to go with Dorian.
Yates has beaten plenty of bigger men of which can compare to Ronnie Coleman?
My god you're a delusional prick arent you
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Ah big difference from what you claimed isn't it probably VS inferior ;) you bent the truth to fluff up your claim ( you need too )
and there is plenty of reason to go with Yates , its called the IFBB judging criteria and if you were savy you'd know the only criteria isn't size alone its the complete package
Dorian's beaten plenty of bigger men we're strictly talking guys with a size advantage over him , Dorian's beaten Ronnie plenty of times , granted he wasn't where he was now but what new does Ronnie offer ? more size . big deal
Ronnie's never faced anyone like Dorian , he may have had an easy time with guys who Dorian dominated and who were past their primes and Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson , but he's never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber , Ronnie has had relative to Dorian a mediocre field in which to dominate , big deal .
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lol Dorian says he would probably lose to Coleman, your not very good at listening are you. From pictures and his own personal opinion there is no reason to go with Dorian.
Yates has beaten plenty of bigger men of which can compare to Ronnie Coleman?
My god you're a delusional prick arent you
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great post!
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actually, dorian DID face someone like Ronnie, who like himself, had a great back, with a great taper and better muscle shape.
you know who that was?
Lee Haney.
Do you Know what happened?
Dorian LOST.
lol
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actually, dorian DID face someone like Ronnie, who like himself, had a great back, with a great taper and better muscle shape.
you know who that was?
Lee Haney.
Do you Know what happened?
Dorian LOST.
lol
Dorian wasn't his prime tough was he? and despite being just 239 pounds to Lee Haney's 250 pounds Dorian still managed to BEAT Haney in the muscularity round ! so nice try ......try again ;)
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I didn't look at all the posts so my apology. The geniuses are out there. I agree who's gonna notice that little ass tricep next to that big ass gut! but in all seriousness Ronnie has some nerve damage and jay has smthng going on with his bicep I hope some1 new comes in and get's credit where credit is due. i think u should win 2 Olympias in a row then get paid to sit 1 out then c if you can reclaim the title then we get new physiques every couple yrs just like cars. houses girlfriends etc.