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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: chris_mason on September 10, 2007, 06:13:15 PM
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http://atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=103
Chris
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It takes strength to move that weight but half reps and bad form aren't impressive.
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It takes strength to move that weight but half reps and bad form aren't impressive.
How is pausing at the chest and locking out completely prior to racking bad form?
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i agree, crap form-not impressive.
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i agree, crap form-not impressive.
Care to explain how the form in those videos is "crap"?
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How is pausing at the chest and locking out completely prior to racking bad form?
It isn't.
But belly lifts aren't allowed in any federation (check Brad Heck).
Rob Luyando lowered his bar when pressing, that's not allowed in any fed I know of either.
Luyando also didn't get a complete lockout.
Of course, Ryan Kennelly had impeccable form: Flat foot to the floor, ass glued to the bench, lowering the bar to the chest and not the belly.
The judges could learn a thing or two by watching his lifts. With less funky lifts allowed, Kennelly would be even more dominant.
Check out the Shawn Frankl clip. He clearly doesn't lock out. He even holds it at near-lock out, until the judge decides to get it racked, and for some reason reward him the lift.
One could argue that it's cool to see big numbers posted.
But this lax judging, or rather non-existent judging, hurts the legacy of the lifters who have put up weights under strict conditions.
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It isn't.
But belly lifts aren't allowed in any federation (check Brad Heck).
Rob Luyando lowered his bar when pressing, that's not allowed in any fed I know of either.
Luyando also didn't get a complete lockout.
Of course, Ryan Kennelly had impeccable form: Flat foot to the floor, ass glued to the bench, lowering the bar to the chest and not the belly.
The judges could learn a thing or two by watching his lifts. With less funky lifts allowed, Kennelly would be even more dominant.
Check out the Shawn Frankl clip. He clearly doesn't lock out. He even holds it at near-lock out, until the judge decides to get it racked, and for some reason reward him the lift.
One could argue that it's cool to see big numbers posted.
But this lax judging, or rather non-existent judging, hurts the legacy of the lifters who have put up weights under strict conditions.
Hedge, there is one problem with your outlook, unless you were there you really have no idea how "strict" the conditions were. There have been bad calls and cheating in powerlifting (as with all sports) since its inception.
I agree that Kennelly is a beast, but so is Luyando. I have seen him lift live and his form was amazing as he slowly ground out the reps.
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the belly-pressing is right there on tape ::)
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the belly-pressing is right there on tape ::)
The bench shirt more or less forces that style with a lot of lifters.
It is allowed in several federations, or at least not called.
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powerlifting is a joke
why cant they just lift the weight :-\
they clearly are using tools (ie bench shirts etc...) to help lift the weights---how is this a demonstration of pure strength?????
all competitions should ban these "tools"---it seems like as teh technology for these "tools" improve so do the numbers.
im far more impressed by raw lifts than people wrapped up in these crap "tools"
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Take off the quadruple ply kevlar shirts and see what happens ::)
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Love the $ on the bench press. :)
Every single person there, bench presses more than they deadlift. How is that possible?.... oh wait, I know the answer.
OK, I'm old school, or perhaps just old. >:(
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Turns out the competitors were pissed when they found out the top prize was 12 dollars and a ticket for a free small mcflurry with the
purchase of any value meal at participating Mcdonalds.
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Take off the quadruple ply kevlar shirts and see what happens ::)
Watch Ryan Kennelly's video and you will see what happens. 405 lbs for 20 reps with ease and he is a lot bigger and stronger now.
Bench shirts increase the lift, yes, but they don't make the lifter weak.
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Turns out the competitors were pissed when they found out the top prize was 12 dollars and a ticket for a free small mcflurry with the
purchase of any value meal at participating Mcdonalds.
Errr, no?
Goof
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Watch Ryan Kennelly's video and you will see what happens. 405 lbs for 20 reps with ease and he is a lot bigger and stronger now.
Bench shirts increase the lift, yes, but they don't make the lifter weak.
no but its a tool like using a bike in a foot race
I want to see what people lift raw not what they lift through means of a speical "shirt"
of course it doesnt make the weak strong but it makes people stronger than they really are in reality
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It is bullshit, what would prevent some geek from getting a super elastic space age polymer, wrapping himself in it 30 times and improving his max bench by 400 pounds ?
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I could probably bench high 400s with a bench shirt, waste of time and CHEATING
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LOL. That's as ridiculous as pro bb'ing. Appears to be less a bench-'press' than some sort of bench-'lever.'
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Errr, no?
Goof
I was just kiddin. But really I wondered how much cash was involved.
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I know, I know, I know the weight would crush me like a little school girl
yes,yes, yes...I don't know jack shit about power lifting
but I am not impressed..that video of Levrone pressing 5 plates for reps is more impressive to me
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It is bullshit, what would prevent some geek from getting a super elastic space age polymer, wrapping himself in it 30 times and improving his max bench by 400 pounds ?
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I could probably bench high 400s with a bench shirt, waste of time and CHEATING
Your statement only speaks to your ignorance.
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So what would some of these fakers bench, if they had to bench with proper form and no bench shirt ? without "bellypressing" ? ::)
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you skate around my question chris
you havent even addressed it--
what do you think is more impressive a raw bench or one using a "shirt"??
and if you think raw is--which most people do--then why do argue for bench "shirts" in competition??
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So what would some of these fakers bench, if they had to bench with proper form and no bench shirt ? without "bellypressing" ? ::)
My guess is that Rob Luyando, the guy with 904 lbs on the bar, could get around 500-540lbs.
Raw, with proper form.
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My guess is that Rob Luyando, the guy with 904 lbs on the bar, could get around 500-540lbs.
Raw, with proper form.
really??
interesting
Hedge you are always quite outspoken and very knowledgable about power lifting---what is more impressive to you: a raw bench or one with a "shirt"
and what is the most impressive raw bench you have ever seen??
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Watch Ryan Kennelly's video and you will see what happens. 405 lbs for 20 reps with ease and he is a lot bigger and stronger now.
Bench shirts increase the lift, yes, but they don't make the lifter weak.
Kennelly's a strong bastard, no doubt....however, his 1038 would be severely reduced to around 725-750 without a shirt. You do the math, that's pretty much a difference of 300 lbs Chris. It would be foolish to think that shirts don't drastically improve the lift
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I know, I know, I know the weight would crush me like a little school girl
yes,yes, yes...I don't know jack shit about power lifting
but I am not impressed..that video of Levrone pressing 5 plates for reps is more impressive to me
Perhaps Dennis Cieri benching a raw 525 lbs at 198 lbs is more to your liking? Just an FYI, he lifts both raw and equipped.
http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=df913c81da1c5c18ee84
Kind of blows the all-shirt argument out of the water, no?
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Kennelly's a strong bastard, no doubt....however, his 1038 would be severely reduced to around 725-750 without a shirt. You do the math, that's pretty much a difference of 300 lbs Chris. It would be foolish to think that shirts don't drastically improve the lift
Take a moment and read what I wrote. Did I ANYWHERE is this thread say that a bench shirt doesn't aid the lift?
My point is that shirts can help tremendously, but the best shirted benchers are still incredibly strong raw.
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Perhaps Dennis Cieri benching a raw 525 lbs at 198 lbs is more to your liking? Just an FYI, he lifts both raw and equipped.
http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=df913c81da1c5c18ee84
Kind of blows the all-shirt argument out of the water, no?
I never argued that its all-shirt
I just think its stupid and silly to use them
it should be the person and the weight--nothing more-----------using "tools" to improve your #''s is ridiculous to me
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you skate around my question chris
you havent even addressed it--
what do you think is more impressive a raw bench or one using a "shirt"??
and if you think raw is--which most people do--then why do argue for bench "shirts" in competition??
Ok, no more skating, lol???
Anyway, I think they are both impressive forms of lifting at their best. I think 1000+ lbs, with a shirt, is RIDICULOUS!!! I think anything over 500 lbs raw is really good, and anything over 600 lbs is STUPID. 700+ is otherworldly.
I have no problem with geared competition because everyone has the ability to use the gear by definition. The gear takes a lot of skill to use properly. It makes things interesting. I think raw lifting is cool too. I like both.
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My guess is that Rob Luyando, the guy with 904 lbs on the bar, could get around 500-540lbs.
Raw, with proper form.
I think your guess is low if he trained for it.
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Ok, no more skating, lol???
Anyway, I think they are both impressive forms of lifting at their best. I think 1000+ lbs, with a shirt, is RIDICULOUS!!! I think anything over 500 lbs raw is really good, and anything over 600 lbs is STUPID. 700+ is otherworldly.
I have no problem with geared competition because everyone has the ability to use the gear by definition. The gear takes a lot of skill to use properly. It makes things interesting. I think raw lifting is cool too. I like both.
cool thanks for answering bro
BTW you have some impressive lifting vids yourself 8)
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I never argued that its all-shirt
I just think its stupid and silly to use them
it should be the person and the weight--nothing more-----------using "tools" to improve your #''s is ridiculous to me
That's cool. You are entitled to your opinion. I don't agree so long as the playing field is level. I think a raw vs. shirted bencher would be silly.
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Take a moment and read what I wrote. Did I ANYWHERE is this thread say that a bench shirt doesn't aid the lift?
My point is that shirts can help tremendously, but the best shirted benchers are still incredibly strong raw.
No, you didn't make that point.....however, that's not exactly true when it comes to raw pressing. Hell, I watched Gene Rychlak struggle with 650 raw. I've been around Josh Bryant and watched him train many times, he mostly trains without gear. I've seen him get 405 for 15 with no problem but his best raw bench was 615, at least what I witnessed. To me, raw lifting is much more impressive
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No, you didn't make that point.....however, that's not exactly true when it comes to raw pressing. Hell, I watched Gene Rychlak struggle with 650 raw. I've been around Josh Bryant and watched him train many times, he mostly trains without gear. I've seen him get 405 for 15 with no problem but his best raw bench was 615, at least what I witnessed. To me, raw lifting is much more impressive
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Anyway, let's just say for sake of argument Gene did a raw 650 lbs. You don't think that is ridiculously good? You don't think that puts him in the top few percent of all benchers? It does. Josh Bryant is a VERY strong guy as well. I am not sure what your point is?
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My point is simply this, raw is more impressive.....and yes, 650 raw is impressive ;D
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Anyway, let's just say for sake of argument Gene did a raw 650 lbs. You don't think that is ridiculously good? You don't think that puts him in the top few percent of all benchers? It does. Josh Bryant is a VERY strong guy as well. I am not sure what your point is?
This in itself is an argument to get rid of the shirts.
The ridiculous shirts and the lax judging, (Luyando's lift was an absolute disaster) makes raw benchpressing numbers seem dull.
Mason, why do you think we get this very same discussion whenever you post a clip of a lifter from one of the circus federations?
And why doesn't it happen when clips of Arthur Jones or Dennis Cieri raw benchpresses, or Scott Weech raw squats?
Why would getbiggers be any less qualified to understand powerlifting than the general public?
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I wonder if all the powerlifters who use shirts think it would be ok for high jumpers to use spring loaded shoes?
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Mason - were you just a sponsor or were you the event organizer?
You're being really defensive here.
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This in itself is an argument to get rid of the shirts.
The ridiculous shirts and the lax judging, (Luyando's lift was an absolute disaster) makes raw benchpressing numbers seem dull.
Mason, why do you think we get this very same discussion whenever you post a clip of a lifter from one of the circus federations?
And why doesn't it happen when clips of Arthur Jones or Dennis Cieri raw benchpresses, or Scott Weech raw squats?
Why would getbiggers be any less qualified to understand powerlifting than the general public?
I would understand your argument if they were trying to appeal to the general public.
Getbig is hardly the general public? The general public does not understand why anyone would want to look like a high level competitive bodybuilder. They don't understand why someone would want to starve themselves for months, nearly kill themselves with diuretics and everything else, cover themselves with, oil and then get on a stage while wearing a bikini which barely covers they genetalia.
If anything, people on Getbig should understand geared powerlifting and respect it for what it is just as they should understand and respect raw powerlifting.
Think of it this way, geared powerlifting is a specific form of competition.
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Mason - were you just a sponsor or were you the event organizer?
You're being really defensive here.
Sponsor.
I am being really defensive?
I am discussing a point in a respectful manner.
Anyway, I respect bodybuilding and powerlifting and love both. Any form of strength sports is cool with me, but I have a particular love for powerlifting.