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My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« on: September 10, 2007, 06:13:15 PM »
AtLarge Nutrition was one of the sponsor's of the meet.  Here is a link to a news story with results and videos.  Some pretty cool stuff!

http://atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=103

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 06:16:52 PM »
It takes strength to move that weight but half reps and bad form aren't impressive.

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 06:40:43 PM »
It takes strength to move that weight but half reps and bad form aren't impressive.

How is pausing at the chest and locking out completely prior to racking bad form?

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 06:43:47 PM »
i agree, crap form-not impressive. 

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 06:44:39 PM »
i agree, crap form-not impressive. 

Care to explain how the form in those videos is "crap"?
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 07:11:00 PM »
How is pausing at the chest and locking out completely prior to racking bad form?



It isn't.

But belly lifts aren't allowed in any federation (check Brad Heck).

Rob Luyando lowered his bar when pressing, that's not allowed in any fed I know of either.

Luyando also didn't get a complete lockout.

Of course, Ryan Kennelly had impeccable form: Flat foot to the floor, ass glued to the bench, lowering the bar to the chest and not the belly.

The judges could learn a thing or two by watching his lifts. With less funky lifts allowed, Kennelly would be even more dominant.

Check out the Shawn Frankl clip. He clearly doesn't lock out. He even holds it at near-lock out, until the judge decides to get it racked, and for some reason reward him the lift.

One could argue that it's cool to see big numbers posted.

But this lax judging, or rather non-existent judging, hurts the legacy of the lifters who have put up weights under strict conditions.
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 07:15:09 PM »
It isn't.

But belly lifts aren't allowed in any federation (check Brad Heck).

Rob Luyando lowered his bar when pressing, that's not allowed in any fed I know of either.

Luyando also didn't get a complete lockout.

Of course, Ryan Kennelly had impeccable form: Flat foot to the floor, ass glued to the bench, lowering the bar to the chest and not the belly.

The judges could learn a thing or two by watching his lifts. With less funky lifts allowed, Kennelly would be even more dominant.

Check out the Shawn Frankl clip. He clearly doesn't lock out. He even holds it at near-lock out, until the judge decides to get it racked, and for some reason reward him the lift.

One could argue that it's cool to see big numbers posted.

But this lax judging, or rather non-existent judging, hurts the legacy of the lifters who have put up weights under strict conditions.

Hedge, there is one problem with your outlook, unless you were there you really have no idea how "strict" the conditions were.  There have been bad calls and cheating in powerlifting (as with all sports) since its inception.

I agree that Kennelly is a beast, but so is Luyando.  I have seen him lift live and his form was amazing as he slowly ground out the reps.

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 07:22:32 PM »
the belly-pressing is right there on tape  ::)

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 07:31:27 PM »
the belly-pressing is right there on tape  ::)

The bench shirt more or less forces that style with a lot of lifters.

It is allowed in several federations, or at least not called.
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 08:14:04 PM »
powerlifting is a joke

why cant they just lift the weight :-\

they clearly are using tools (ie bench shirts etc...) to help lift the weights---how is this a demonstration of pure strength?????

all competitions should ban these "tools"---it seems like as teh technology for these "tools" improve so do the numbers.



im far more impressed by raw lifts than people wrapped up in these crap "tools"

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 09:38:20 PM »
Take off the quadruple ply kevlar shirts and see what happens   ::)

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 11:27:39 PM »
Love the  $ on the bench press. :)

Every single person there, bench presses more than they deadlift. How is that possible?.... oh wait, I know the answer.


OK, I'm old school, or perhaps just old. >:(
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 11:44:18 PM »
Turns out the competitors were pissed when they found out the top prize was 12 dollars and a ticket for a free small mcflurry with the

purchase of any value meal at participating Mcdonalds.

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2007, 03:09:35 PM »
Take off the quadruple ply kevlar shirts and see what happens   ::)

Watch Ryan Kennelly's video and you will see what happens.  405 lbs for 20 reps with ease and he is a lot bigger and stronger now. 

Bench shirts increase the lift, yes, but they don't make the lifter weak.
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2007, 03:10:21 PM »
Turns out the competitors were pissed when they found out the top prize was 12 dollars and a ticket for a free small mcflurry with the

purchase of any value meal at participating Mcdonalds.

Errr, no?

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2007, 04:11:23 PM »
Watch Ryan Kennelly's video and you will see what happens.  405 lbs for 20 reps with ease and he is a lot bigger and stronger now. 

Bench shirts increase the lift, yes, but they don't make the lifter weak.
no but its a tool like using a bike in a foot race

I want to see what people lift raw not what they lift through means of a speical "shirt"

of course it doesnt make the weak strong but it makes people stronger than they really are in reality

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2007, 04:22:03 PM »
It is bullshit, what would prevent some geek from getting a super elastic space age polymer, wrapping himself in it 30 times and improving his max bench by 400 pounds ?

          ::)

       I could probably bench high 400s with a bench shirt, waste of time and CHEATING

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2007, 05:07:39 PM »
LOL. That's as ridiculous as pro bb'ing. Appears to be less a bench-'press' than some sort of bench-'lever.'

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 05:17:08 PM »
Errr, no?

Goof

I was just kiddin. But really I wondered how much cash was involved.

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 05:21:03 PM »
I know, I know, I know the weight would crush me like a little school girl

yes,yes, yes...I don't know jack shit about power lifting

but I am not impressed..that video of Levrone pressing 5 plates for reps is more impressive to me

Here comes the money shot

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 05:26:43 PM »
It is bullshit, what would prevent some geek from getting a super elastic space age polymer, wrapping himself in it 30 times and improving his max bench by 400 pounds ?

          ::)

       I could probably bench high 400s with a bench shirt, waste of time and CHEATING

Your statement only speaks to your ignorance.
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2007, 05:28:42 PM »
So what would some of these fakers bench, if they had to bench with proper form and no bench shirt ? without "bellypressing" ?  ::)

         

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2007, 05:32:30 PM »
you skate around my question chris


you havent even addressed it--

what do you think is more impressive a raw bench or one using a "shirt"??

and if you think raw is--which most people do--then why do argue for bench "shirts" in competition??

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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2007, 05:36:16 PM »
So what would some of these fakers bench, if they had to bench with proper form and no bench shirt ? without "bellypressing" ?  ::)

         

My guess is that Rob Luyando, the guy with 904 lbs on the bar, could get around 500-540lbs.

Raw, with proper form.
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Re: My coverage of Bill Carpenter's UPA Bench Bash for Cash 2007
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2007, 05:44:52 PM »
My guess is that Rob Luyando, the guy with 904 lbs on the bar, could get around 500-540lbs.

Raw, with proper form.
really??

interesting

Hedge you are always quite outspoken and very knowledgable about power lifting---what is more impressive to you: a raw bench or one with a "shirt"

and what is the most impressive raw bench you have ever seen??