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Asafa looks great...what do you guys think he is stacking?
GH and non-ester gells
But dont think its impossible to run sub 10 sec or be a world champion without juice...Look here at my teamate from college Kim Collins...He won the world championships and has run under 10 many times and he has never even touched protien!!!! This guy use to come to practice in cutoff jean shorts do half the workout and leave...hahah...Skinny as hell and weak as hell in the weight room...no joke he would do curls with 10 lbs and be bitchin how is arms hurt...Pure talent...
one way or the other... i think steroids to sprinting is like steroids to home run hitting
you are either born fast or you're not... steroids might make you 3-5% better but the other 95-97% is natural talent
damn look at those chicken legs
true, but that 3% is the difference between winning a gold medal...and being a highschool gym teacher
possible without drugs? maybe
possible without being black? never
But dont think its impossible to run sub 10 sec or be a world champion without juice...Look here at my teamate from college Kim Collins...He won the world championships and has run under 10 many times and he has never even touched protien!!!! This guy use to come to practice in cutoff jean shorts do half the workout and leave...hahah...Skinny as hell and weak as hell in the weight room...no joke he would do curls with 10 lbs and be bitchin how is arms hurt...Pure talent...
A friend I ran with in college now runs for the Canadian National team and he tells that most sprinters are using a lot af anavar and halo and of course GH....
i don't think you believe that... it still takes years of dedicated training and eating and shiting :)
They have also been "speeding up" the tracks in an effort to erase Ben Johnson's Record. Much to the dismay of long distance runners. If Ben were running on the tracks today, using the same shit he used back then, 9.74 would easily be in his pocket, if not quicker than that. Ben was so far ahead of his time, that took till 21st century for his record to be broken.
They have also been "speeding up" the tracks in an effort to erase Ben Johnson's Record. Much to the dismay of long distance runners. If Ben were running on the tracks today, using the same shit he used back then, 9.74 would easily be in his pocket, if not quicker than that. Ben was so far ahead of his time, that took till 21st century for his record to be broken.
one way or the other... i think steroids to sprinting is like steroids to home run hitting
you are either born fast or you're not... steroids might make you 3-5% better but the other 95-97% is natural talent
but if he took gear..he might not be a "nobody"
one day kevin powell (sp) was a nobody...next day he breaks the long jump distance..become a millionare
oddly enough he never approached that distance again..makes you wonder what he did different for that event ;)
Ben's problem is that he was too good..he looked too good..dude was muscular and ripped for a runner.Not an exception. Most sprinters, especially the black dudes, have great muscularity. Comes with the type of body, and muscle fibre, that that can run that fast.
the bigger issue is..has the men 100m reached the human limit?
we now celebrate shaving off 1/1000th of a second
Not an exception. Most sprinters, especially the black dudes, have great muscularity. Comes with the type of body, and muscle fibre, that that can run that fast.
/i'd be crossing 50m as the winners crossed the tape :'(
some guys at MIT calculated that the maximum human potential was something like 8 seconds... i am trying to find that study now
Whilst i am not niave to think taht the top sprinters dont take drugs.
Although it is against the olympic ethic it would be interesting to see a blatant drug abused 100m to see them run 9.4 etc same with other events this would make it more interesting in my eyes having both but would runi sports
Jim Hines ran a 10.03 in 1964. He did it on an old pre-rubber surface track.
I think we can assume he was clean, despite all the steroids that was sooo available at that time. ::)
My point is that running fast is possible for natural athletes. And also, that despite what everyone thinks, the 100 meters hasn't developed much in 30 years.
possible without drugs? maybe
possible without being black? never
dude, this was in the 80s, before sprinters had muscles,
sprinters didn't weight train back then..they were all skinny..in context of other sprinters at the time he was a "beast"
(http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040813/oly19.jpg)
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some guys at MIT calculated that the maximum human potential was something like 8 seconds... i am trying to find that study now
rubbish. weight training has been part of the sprinter's regimen since the early 60s. FYI Ben weighed a massive 74 kg (175lb) at 5'10''. hardly a beast.Really!? I remember watching the finals where he won gold and just being knocked out by his muscularity. Now almost 20 years later, and looking at the above photos, he looks nothing like I remember him, almost small even. :-\
some guys at MIT calculated that the maximum human potential was something like 8 seconds... i am trying to find that study now
i think this pretty much sums it up.
these guys get tested dozens of times in competition, in season, out of season and most of them barely improve year in year out- with many slightly getting slower every year.
personally i think olympic level athletics is pretty clean...the risks are very high. in fact dare i say it but its the US athletes that seem to be the regularly caught cheats.
when a guy's 100m sprinting goes from nowhere man to WR then alarm bells sound. Asafa has been around the mark for year. Gatlin, Montgomery, Johnson (Ben not Mike), Chambers all came from finalists (and even non finalists) to improve .3-.5 within a very short time after years of also running...all of them got busted.
lewis, johnson (mike), cal smith, wariner, burrel etc were always around the mark and were gun athletes straight from juniors.
the jury is still out on Tyson Gay..its a shame that an athlete should be under scrutiny.
flo jo ruined it for the women and women's sprinting..period.
even marion jones got done.
hard to find a US athlete that hasnt cheated actually.
a real shame.
possible without drugs? maybe
possible without being black? never
asafa fastest man in the world...
thats how we jamaicans do... from such a small island and we have prduced some of the worlds greatest sprinters... overall america dominate sprinting .. but at the olympics then come jamaica..
genetics baby
;D ;D
true, but that 3% is the difference between winning a gold medal...and being a highschool gym teacher
one way or the other... i think steroids to sprinting is like steroids to home run hitting
you are either born fast or you're not... steroids might make you 3-5% better but the other 95-97% is natural talent
possible without drugs? maybe
possible without being black? never
i don't think you believe that... it still takes years of dedicated training and eating and shiting :)
They have also been "speeding up" the tracks in an effort to erase Ben Johnson's Record. Much to the dismay of long distance runners. If Ben were running on the tracks today, using the same shit he used back then, 9.74 would easily be in his pocket, if not quicker than that. Ben was so far ahead of his time, that took till 21st century for his record to be broken.
Ben's problem is that he was too good..he looked too good..dude was muscular and ripped for a runner.
Not an exception. Most sprinters, especially the black dudes, have great muscularity. Comes with the type of body, and muscle fibre, that that can run that fast.
/i'd be crossing 50m as the winners crossed the tape :'(
despite what everyone thinks, the 100 meters hasn't developed much in 30 years.
I also have to agree
If you really think about it, will drugs really help that much in sprinting? Most of the sprinters have physiques that are attainable naturally, and their strength in the weight room is attainable without drugs. I've seen a video of Asafa Powell, the guy who just broke the record, training and he was doing benches and squats in the mid 200s. Hardly unattainable naturally.
Jim Hines ran a 10.03 in 1964. He did it on an old pre-rubber surface track.
I think we can assume he was clean, despite all the steroids that was sooo available at that time. ::)
havent read much in the thread but ill say this.
asafa is on drugs (so what?) and ran 9.74 at high altitude with a wind of 1.7
ben johnson using drugs ran 9.79 almost 20 years ago (88)
which puts johnson very close to asafa.
if ben could have competed and been pressed maybe he could have run abit faster..maybe matching asafas time. just speculation that doesnt mean anything tho.
its impossible to break the world record without using drugs.
dude, this was in the 80s, before sprinters had muscles,
sprinters didn't weight train back then..they were all skinny..in context of other sprinters at the time he was a "beast"
(http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040813/oly19.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39477000/jpg/_39477232_johnson270.jpg)
remember when Linford Chrisitie tested positive for Nandrolone/Deca Durabolin? He was cleared Because he claimed he had sex with his pregnant wife the night before the race...
Disagree; basically the steroid era brought the times down significantly, something like the difference between the 80s and 90s in BB.
Youtube Video - Ben Johnson 1988 Seoul OlympicsCool clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI)
I remember watching that live as a kid and being blown away by his size. Doesn't seem so huge now, but still impressive compared to your average Joe on the street, and compared to the other competitiors. Lewis looks like a kid, so skinny.
Johnson smoked everyone in that race.
What kind of weight training would improve sprint speed? wouldn't really big legs be a hindrance?Let me tell you a secret. Training with weights doesn't make you a huge beast overnight.
Cool clip.
What a technique Lewis has, a pleasure to watch. Even though he was also on drugs. (I heard a rumour that he even was on GH, that might explain his weird jaw and the braces he had to wear.)
Let me tell you a secret. Training with weights doesn't make you a huge beast overnight.
possible without drugs? maybe
possible without being black? never
asafa fastest man in the world...
thats how we jamaicans do... from such a small island and we have prduced some of the worlds greatest sprinters... overall america dominate sprinting .. but at the olympics then come jamaica..
genetics baby
;D ;D
..or being your office's VB .NET / Excel solution resident expert.
asafa fastest man in the world...
thats how we jamaicans do... from such a small island and we have prduced some of the worlds greatest sprinters... overall america dominate sprinting .. but at the olympics then come jamaica..
genetics baby
;D ;D
Jim Hines ran a 10.03 on clay in 1964.
Asafa Powell runs a 9.74 on rubber surface in 2007, with better shoes.
That's 29/100 in 43 years.
What he's neglected to mention because he doesn't get it is that the 3-5% makes all the difference in the world LOL
the best in the world's not possible now without drugs.
1-2-3 for wooo's brilliance in stating the obvious...DUH
Agreed about the track but it's not because of Johnson it's just advances in technology and composites.
He was impressive but if Johnson was really as great as you say it would've taken longer than it did to surpass him.
He definitely had an incriminating "look" that others didn't, but the biggest thing was his stupidity in taking doses beyond the normal times needed to clear detection. Not a bright guy, it was his coach who took east German methods and combined it with Johnson's genetics. 1984 Olympics were a good indication of Johnson's time with less juice, in other words he was good but not a standout. His reaction time out of the blocks went crazy on the juice, just like Bond's bat reaction time.
Johnson was more muscular than the others; benched around 400 lb. at 170 lb. or less, more than the others. Maybe not huge muscles, but very defined, dense fast-twitch & lower bodyfat typical of men & women roid users.
Disagree; basically the steroid era brought the times down significantly, something like the difference between the 80s and 90s in BB.
Drugs make a big difference in the start of the sprint and maintaining max. speed later. Also a big training aid in allowing greater endurance and faster recovery.
Johnson had an abnormally fast start-on roids. His time earlier and later in his career without the same assistance was significantly slower without the same start.
I think dumpster just set a getbig.com record for replying to oneself the most times in a row in one thread...
talk about a meltdown...
that was my whole point jerkoff
Spend more of your life posting about me it's hilarious. You're compensating for your own issues. ;D
no... what's hilarious is how you strut around these boards thinking that people still take you seriously...
that's the true meltdown
you are such a joke gramps
hahahahah you're spending way too much time obsessing on me.WOOO MORNING MELTDOWN PT 1 ;D ;D ;D
Youtube Video - Ben Johnson 1988 Seoul Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI)
I remember watching that live as a kid and being blown away by his size. Doesn't seem so huge now, but still impressive compared to your average Joe on the street, and compared to the other competitiors. Lewis looks like a kid, so skinny.
Johnson smoked everyone in that race.
He had that one in the bag...But the hater of the day was Lewis. He said he knew Johnson was on steriods because Johnson's eyes were yellow. Hmmm, someone knew what to look out for, when it came to signs of steriod use, I wonder why?
Youtube Video - Ben Johnson 1988 Seoul Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxbxdzRQXlI)
I remember watching that live as a kid and being blown away by his size. Doesn't seem so huge now, but still impressive compared to your average Joe on the street, and compared to the other competitiors. Lewis looks like a kid, so skinny.
Johnson smoked everyone in that race.
But dont think its impossible to run sub 10 sec or be a world champion without juice...Look here at my teamate from college Kim Collins...He won the world championships and has run under 10 many times and he has never even touched protien!!!! This guy use to come to practice in cutoff jean shorts do half the workout and leave...hahah...Skinny as hell and weak as hell in the weight room...no joke he would do curls with 10 lbs and be bitchin how is arms hurt...Pure talent...HUTCH I HATE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.....NOWADAYS A SUB 10 HUNDRED IS ALSO THE RESULT OF MANY CYCLES COMBINED WITH LOTS OF TIME ON THE TRACK AND GOD GIVEN GENETICS....
you know what amazes me they have these expensive shoes adn clothes that weigh nothing, yet these guys wear watches and jewelry
fuckiin retarded