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Anyone know the exact years?
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when Dorian arrived
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when Dorian arrived
insulin was 1982 tom or tim belnakamp i know i fucke dup the spelling
and first gh was not dorian that was the current synthetic gh being used haney and some of those guys used used gorilla groth hormone and the more recently real gh taken from human cadavers (thats dead people), but all you necrophyliacs already knwo that
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Labs (Eli Lilly and etc.) started synthesizing GH in the mid to late 80's, up until that time the most popular form was from cadavers (as dzulboy stated) but there were problems with this method, lots of people using the cadaver GH were getting brain tumors and dying.
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Labs (Eli Lilly and etc.) started synthesizing GH in the mid to late 80's, up until that time the most popular form was from cadavers (as dzulboy stated) but there were problems with this method, lots of people using the cadaver GH were getting brain tumors and dying.
yeah was callled klleinnphlaiezer(really butchered this one) disease or some shit the disease is only possible from using the tainted hgh from the cadavers i believe it had to do with a parasite
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So a large part of Dorain's Success was simply the implementation of new combinations of hormones...?
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I'm pretty sure, Genetech made the 1st commercially available synthetic HGH. 1987-88ish. I clearly remember talk of Fred Hatfield using the Rhesus monkey stuff in 1982-83.
Update:
Genetech info...
1982 - Human Insulin - First ever approved genetically engineered human therapeutic (licensed to Eli Lilly)
1985 - Protropin® (somatrem) - Supplementary growth hormone for children with growth hormone deficiency (ceased manufacturing December 2002).
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So a large part of Dorain's Success was simply the implementation of new combinations of hormones...?
I don't think so. Of course I don't know what he did but even Duchaine said Dorian was very moderate compared to others. Duchaine quote "Dorian didn't want to take high doses of GH".
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yeah was callled klleinnphlaiezer(really butchered this one) disease or some shit the disease is only possible from using the tainted hgh from the cadavers i believe it had to do with a parasite
It was Creutzfeldt-Jacobs and it was linked to the Crescormon IIRC.
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GH and slin start getting popula among bb'ers in the early 90's
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GH and slin start getting popula among bb'ers in the early 90's
Can anyone guess how much testo, GH and Insulin Ronnie does? I'd be curious about estimates...
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Anyone know the exact years?
GH sometime in the early 70's (I think) and you're gonna have to ask Milos on the insulin :-\
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insulin was 1982 tom or tim belnakamp i know i fucke dup the spelling
and first gh was not dorian that was the current synthetic gh being used haney and some of those guys used used gorilla groth hormone and the more recently real gh taken from human cadavers (thats dead people), but all you necrophyliacs already knwo that
Insulin was not something Belknap had in mind for bodybuilding purposes I assure you. It was something he HAD to do, he is a true diabetic.
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Can anyone guess how much testo, GH and Insulin Ronnie does? I'd be curious about estimates...
i dont know about gh, and slin,, but AAS is in th 6 -10 gr range weekly
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Can anyone guess how much testo, GH and Insulin Ronnie does? I'd be curious about estimates...
Long story short (one of those so-and-so knew a friend, whose sister was dating this guy, whose dad was the pharmacist that sold Ronnie's dealer kind of things...)....I've heard rumors that Ronnie uses upwards of 30iu of GH per day. :o ::)
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Long story short (one of those so-and-so knew a friend, whose sister was dating this guy, whose dad was the pharmacist that sold Ronnie's dealer kind of things...)....I've heard rumors that Ronnie uses upwards of 30iu of GH per day. :o ::)
and likely 20,000mg of testo a week too...
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insulin was 1982 tom or tim belnakamp i know i fucke dup the spelling
and first gh was not dorian that was the current synthetic gh being used haney and some of those guys used used gorilla groth hormone and the more recently real gh taken from human cadavers (thats dead people), but all you necrophyliacs already knwo that
friend of mine that used to compete in the early 80's tells me that Platz was on this
who knows?
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friend of mine that used to compete in the early 80's tells me that Platz was on this
In his seminars Platz denied having used GH, while talking frankly about his roids....
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It was Creutzfeldt-Jacobs and it was linked to the Crescormon IIRC.
Mad Cow Disease. Wow. That's a terrible way to go. Complete neurological failure. :-[
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Mohamed Benaziza was one of the earliest pro bodybuilders to display symptoms of a GH Gut, and that was early 90's if I recall correctly.
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GH sometime in the early 70's (I think) and you're gonna have to ask Milos on the insulin
while a very small amount of GH from cadavers was being produced in the 1970s, it was very expensive and not something that even the top bodybuilders could easily acquire. GH could only be extracted from adolescent males killed by trama (auto accident, etc). It's possible that a few well connected bodybuilders could land a few IUs for many thousands of dollars, but that wouldn't give you much of an advantage.
Synthetic GH became widely available to bodybuilders in the late 1980s. it became common to add insulin to the mix in the early 1990s.
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In his seminars Platz denied having used GH, while talking frankly about his roids....
would you admit to taking gorilla hormones?
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would you admit to taking gorilla hormones?
I might be wrong about Tom, but I trust him more than any other pro bodybuilder - or let me rephrase: He is the only one of the pros, whose words I would consider seriously.
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I don't think so. Of course I don't know what he did but even Duchaine said Dorian was very moderate compared to others. Duchaine quote "Dorian didn't want to take high doses of GH".
dorian did up to 30 iu's daily..wanna reconsider your statement ?...and let me tell u " boy did he push the envelope ! Don't get me wrong : I'm a big Dorian fan.
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dorian did up to 30 iu's daily..wanna reconsider your statement ?...and let me tell u " boy did he push the envelope ! Don't get me wrong : I'm a big Dorian fan.
Like I said I don't *know*, just saying what Duchaine said (and he consulted with Dorian)... how do you *know* that to be fact?
IIRC Duchaine also said Milos was using 4 grams of gear a week, and that's was supposedly where the "magic" happened.
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In his seminars Platz denied having used GH, while talking frankly about his roids....
I think Platz minimized his use, like all the rest. Platz said he used less than most female bodybuilders. One look at Platz's face is enough to tell you that he probably used quite a bit. And with his crazy attitude I'm sure he wasn't afraid to push the envelope a bit.
I also have a tape where Platz says he never tried growth. Says growth gives insatiable appetite. I don't think it's that much of an appetite booster.
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Like I said I don't *know*, just saying what Duchaine said (and he consulted with Dorian)... how do you *know* that to be fact?
IIRC Duchaine also said Milos was using 4 grams of gear a week, and that's was supposedly where the "magic" happened.
the pro that trained me for a year ...ron love trained with dorian and stayed at his place in england on a few ocassions . Dorian had a stacked fridge .
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I think Platz minimized his use, like all the rest. Platz said he used less than most female bodybuilders. One look at Platz's face is enough to tell you that he probably used quite a bit. And with his crazy attitude I'm sure he wasn't afraid to push the envelope a bit.
I've also heard stories that Platz was taking so much D-Bol that he could feel his organs in pain while on the stuff....don't shoot the messenger. Just trying to point out that you shouldn't always believe what you read/hear.
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GH is great what is wrong with a little growth horomone.....everything in moderation. Too much GH/insulin use is what has ruined the IFBB.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/eliscominblue/100-0075_IMG.jpg)
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the pro that trained me for a year ...ron love trained with dorian and stayed at his place in england on a few ocassions . Dorian had a stacked fridge .
OK. If true it's funny how Dorian was recently crying about how the current pros abuse gear.
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Like I said I don't *know*, just saying what Duchaine said (and he consulted with Dorian)... how do you *know* that to be fact?
IIRC Duchaine also said Milos was using 4 grams of gear a week, and that's was supposedly where the "magic" happened.
I thought he said above 2,ooo was when the magic happens?
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I thought he said above 2,ooo was when the magic happens?
I'm pretty sure it was 4+ grams
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the pro that trained me for a year ...ron love trained with dorian and stayed at his place in england on a few ocassions . Dorian had a stacked fridge .
I was thinking about this some more... you've also got to remember the mentality of most bodybuilders. They are often jealous and talk shit behind each others back. It's always someone else taking crazy amounts of shit, never they themselves. They always talk shit about each other, even so called friends. Not saying what love said cannot be true but something to consider when you hear second hand info.
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dorian did up to 30 iu's daily..wanna reconsider your statement ?...and let me tell u " boy did he push the envelope ! Don't get me wrong : I'm a big Dorian fan.
i actually read where he used very little synthetic gh. but he used some kind of redicously expensive drug that released your own gh from the pitutary gland
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Haney certainly looks like he was taking GH. Look at how much the space between his abs increases in just a few years. The young pic is from 1982 (I believe) and I believe the older one is from 1986.
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I was thinking about this some more... you've also got to remember the mentality of most bodybuilders. They are often jealous and talk shit behind each others back. It's always someone else taking crazy amounts of shit, never they themselves. They always talk shit about each other, even so called friends. Not saying what love said cannot be true but something to consider when you hear second hand info.
He and I were discussing the disparities between the 80's and the 90's and he merely explained to me who was the first to really push the envelope and actually he likes dorian a lot . I know what Ron took and it was a lot but Dorian really took the cake . Then he explained that ronnie took mega dosage one step further and got away with it , meaning it worked . he trained with both of them .
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Dickerson also took something I think. (Look at the elbows)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=145768.0;attach=163255;image)
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Haney certainly looks like he was taking GH. Look at how much the space between his abs increases in just a few years. The young pic is from 1982 (I believe) and I believe the older one is from 1986.
Anyone have pics of young Lee's face? Seems like there's no space between the teeth either in the older pic.
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Anyone have pics of young Lee's face? Seems like there's no space between the teeth either in the older pic.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=168635.0;attach=196425;image)
Good catch, I didn't even notice that. It might just be pixelation from the small picture though. The space between the abs is huge though.
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I frequently notice the gapped tooth thing. It has a name, but I can't remember it.
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dickerson - check the first and the third pic. elbows have ever been that style
haney - you can't match the two pics in my opionion. on the second pic he is dryer, but nothing else. 10lbs less on the first pic and he looks like on the second one.
dont think that these two pics prove growth consume in the 70s, 80s
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dickerson - check the first and the third pic. elbows have ever been that style
haney - you can't match the two pics in my opionion. on the second pic he is dryer, but nothing else. 10lbs less on the first pic and he looks like on the second one.
dont think that these two pics prove growth consume in the 70s, 80s
absolutley is does you not get that kind of abs separation from 10lbs of water
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absolutley is does you not get that kind of abs separation from 10lbs of water
true it can be a sign of prolonged gh use..but...its also a sign of heavier body weight (which gh certainly contributes too) and heavier weights used in training.
arnold also had a gap between his teeth. i wonder if he had that as a kid too..before he started juicing? (altho arnie never used gh)
i remember reading an article about people with a gap between their teeth also often having a high natural "gh production".
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as for cockson:
he was rumored to have used gh extracted from corpses (which was one way to get gh before they started making it in the laboratory)
the sword elbows he has could be evidence of that. altho calcium deposits in the elbows can give that look too.
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as for cockson:
he was rumored to have used gh extracted from corpses (which was one way to get gh before they started making it in the laboratory)
the sword elbows he has could be evidence of that. altho calcium deposits in the elbows can give that look too.
Dickerson said his elbows were the result of calcium deposits
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Dickerson said his elbows were the result of calcium deposits
yeah i know he said that. its possible. but i think he is lying.
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yeah i know he said that. its possible. but i think he is lying.
How many IUs could any bodybuilder have gotten in the late 1970s and early 1980s? a fraction of what the average national level amateur uses today.
the possible gains by bodybuilders from GH use prior to the creation of rHGH is trivial because there was hardly any of it around. so what if some bodybuilder used a few IUs in the late 1970s or early 1980s? How much would you gain from a few IUs? and then you're claiming to be able to see in photos side effects from the use of a few IUs ?
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Ya the changes in Dickerson's elbows look like speculation.
The first time i heard about GH was Grymkowski using it in the mid-70s, the real stuff since there wasn't anything artificial. Just GH then, no slin.
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true it can be a sign of prolonged gh use..but...its also a sign of heavier body weight (which gh certainly contributes too) and heavier weights used in training.
arnold also had a gap between his teeth. i wonder if he had that as a kid too..before he started juicing? (altho arnie never used gh)
i remember reading an article about people with a gap between their teeth also often having a high natural "gh production".
REALLY ?? I happen to have a HUGE Gap between my Teeth ... LOL ! And my Mom does too, for that matter. Interesting.
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How many IUs could any bodybuilder have gotten in the late 1970s and early 1980s? a fraction of what the average national level amateur uses today.
the possible gains by bodybuilders from GH use prior to the creation of rHGH is trivial because there was hardly any of it around. so what if some bodybuilder used a few IUs in the late 1970s or early 1980s? How much would you gain from a few IUs? and then you're claiming to be able to see in photos side effects from the use of a few IUs ?
Is it GH? Who knows, but look at the diff. in the elbows from pic 1 to pic 3. I highly doubt it was a natural occurrence.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=145768.0;attach=163255;image)
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Is it GH? Who knows, but look at the diff. in the elbows from pic 1 to pic 3. I highly doubt it was a natural occurrence.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=145768.0;attach=163255;image)
his fucking ears grew too.