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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: candidizzle on September 23, 2007, 05:00:30 AM
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the human body is in a constant struggle to maintain homeostasis. Not only on the cellular level, but also on the level of body temperature. if it is 110 degress o the surface of your skin, your body turns on the air conditioner...a.k.a. sweating. this process if just the loss of water, which cools you down. but if the temperature is lower than the ideal 98.6 degrees on the surface of your skin, your body turns on an internal heater....a.k.a. thermogenisis. this process is your body dubring off caloires and releasing them in the form of heat in an effort to raise bodily temperature.
so a wallk to the store, if done in 110 degree weather, will result in a bigger loss of water, but a walk to the store when its 50 degrees outside will result in an outstandingly higher number of calories being burned.
so when your doing your cardio, and you pile on the sweaters in an effort to bunr more fat, you are just losing extra water; and actually hurting your fat loss efficiency.
morning cardio done on an empty stomach should be done with a t-shirt and shorts on. the colder your skin is, the more calories your body uses to keep you bdoies temperature at 98.6 degrees!! and also, the cold morning air definitely quickens up your pace.
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one may argue that your premise of doing cardio on an empty stomach is a bad idea to begin with..
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one may argue that the earth is flat...
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one may argue that the earth is flat...
they can, but the scientific evidence indicating that it is round is undeniable..where as your claim is still open..
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Here is a thread where a very knowledgable person gave some good info
interestingly enough he was responding to one of your "bad advice post"
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=167342.0
"Lol, okay a few problems but a few good ideas. First off, fasted cardio is the worst, whatsoever! I assume you do it first thing in the morning on a empty stomach (hence the "fasted" term)? You are quite catabolic upon waking and THEN performing cardio on top of it, you will burn muscle, son! At least hit about a scoop of whey, preferrably WPI since it's the fastest acting. Or at the VERY worst, down about 10g BCAAs to help slow or stop the catabolism from sleep.
One can of tuna per hour is a hair rediculous because you are still getting a lot of calories from protein and you're getting some fats; keep in mind protein still causes insulin levels to rise and in doing such, you are slowing the fat loss even worse. Fatty acid oxidation does not occur when the body is releasing insulin, so in eating every hour you are also retarding fat loss. The mercury from the tuna really isn't that big of a problem, however. I eat multiple cans of tuna per day for the past few months because I got into some legal problems recently and I just cannot afford "better" protein sources. I'm finally making a semi-decent wage from TAing while getting my PhD and the first paycheck comes on Wednesday and most of that check is going to chicken, porkchops, lamb, and steak!
I prefer 60-65g complex carb preworkout, but I eat it with about 70-90g protein like tuna, fat free cheese, extra lean turkey bacon, ground beef, and any mix thereof and I eat this about 90 mins preworkout.
Drinking calories during workout is, possibly, the worst thing for you unless you are cutting calories WAY back or you are a girl, then BCAAs are the best, but not protein itself. Digestion draws blood to your stomach and in doing so, you are detracting total blood circulation which could cause blackouts or something worse like an aneurysm.
Eating within an hour of ending your workout is the best thing for you, but taking either WPI or BCAAs IMMEDIATELY after workout is extremely important; you only need about 30g protein or 10g BCAAs. Then eating within an hour is the best with about 50g protein and 50-60g complex carbs; I prefer 1cup dry oats, 1 tbsp wheat bran, 1tbsp oat bran, cinnamon, 1 packet of splenda, and 1tsp of honey for slight taste.
Drinking a shake one hour after your "PWO" meal is about as good of an idea as eating tuna every hour, not very good.
Cardio right before bed can be beneficial, but cardio twice a day probably isn't a good idea unless you're trying to hit a deadline for a show or if you're a fighter trying to make weight; both of which is not applicable in this case."
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cardio on zero calories is the best way to burn fat. period.
emtpy stomach/ yeah it works.
but i like to put 50 mg ephedrine 300 mg caffiene 200 mg asprin l carnitine and l glutamine in my stomach before doing cardio.
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Wouldn't the body be more prone to hang onto fat stores in the winter by downshifting metabolism? People in hot climates tend to be leaner than people who live in cold climates, in spite of the fact that those who dwell in snowy environments have to shovel the driveway first thing in the morning.
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i can only assume that the hot-climate vs. cold climate body composition differences would be an effect of long term mind state effects of the wether, the fact that people generally wear less clothes and their bdies are seen more during hot wether, and that winter and lack of sunligth causes epression and increases your appetite.
but i am not saying that.
what i am saying is....do your cardio in a t shirt and shorts. you will burn more calories than if you did them in sweats.
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one may argue that your premise of doing cardio on an empty stomach is a bad idea to begin with..
Thats because it is a bad idea
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cardio on zero calories is the best way to burn fat. period.
emtpy stomach/ yeah it works.
but i like to put 50 mg ephedrine 300 mg caffiene 200 mg asprin l carnitine and l glutamine in my stomach before doing cardio.
Where is your evidence? Prove it. What does your body use for energy? ATP... carbon-carbon bonds to phosphate bonds. When you don't have any availible glucose since you are in a fasted state then where do you think the next source of energy comes from candidate? Take a wild one.
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Infact cardio all together is a pretty useless concept. When dieting for a show you should try to avoid it as long as possible.
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the human body stores fat for a reason. to use during times of physical need of calories, but none are present in the body.
leafy, i know you have some chub on your right now. tmorrow morning i want you to stare at your waist for 10 minnutes. go out and do 2 hours of slow paced cardio on an empty stomach, then go back to the mirror and tell me that you dont see a difference.
results, results, results.
its only logical that the body will use body fat as a source of energy.
all bodily movements are "cardio", leafy. running a caloric deficit is just like doing very long drawn out slow paced "starved cardio" no difference. if your body can use fat for energy one time, it can use it at another.
its too easy, yet you dont get it.
open your mind.
take in the info.
trust me.
it works.
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You might look at it like this: instead of considering the 1st ionization energy, consider the "deionization" energy of pulling an electron off on an O- vs. an H-. It takes a lot more energy to pull the extra electron off the oxygen anion than the hydride.
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the human body stores fat for a reason. to use during times of physical need of calories, but none are present in the body.
leafy, i know you have some chub on your right now. tmorrow morning i want you to stare at your waist for 10 minnutes. go out and do 2 hours of slow paced cardio on an empty stomach, then go back to the mirror and tell me that you dont see a difference.
results, results, results.
its only logical that the body will use body fat as a source of energy.
all bodily movements are "cardio", leafy. running a caloric deficit is just like doing very long drawn out slow paced "starved cardio" no difference. if your body can use fat for energy one time, it can use it at another.
its too easy, yet you dont get it.
open your mind.
take in the info.
trust me.
it works.
yeah listen to his advice Leafy, look at this ripped huge freak of nature. ;D
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yeah listen to his advice Leafy, look at this ripped huge freak of nature. ;D
Hahahaha i don't even know if i should bother to guide this guy since pandemonium claims he is a gimmick.
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it is all "starved cardio" the only possibel wa to lose weight is to do "starved cardio".
thinka bout it....so you are runnign a caloric defecit, and doing no cardio. that means that your body is burning up everythin you eat, and then some.
"and then soem"
when, how and what does "and then soem" desribe?
when running a caloric deficit, your body uses itself(mostly bodyfat) for the sum of the caloric deficit. that is the "what" of the "and then some". how does it use body fat? well, once all the food you have aten gets digest and burrned up thorugh your metabolism, you are then on what is refered to as an "empty stomach", and all bodily processes and movements that you perform once you are on an "empty stomach" (meaning that its a time in the day when all your food has been metabolised), your body will grap at its fat stores for thenergy. as long as you arent doing anythin strenuos while having an "empty somach", your body will not revert to "survival" mode and start to catabolise muscle tissue. so, the way you lose weight while dieting on a caloric deficit with no cardio, is by doing "starved cardio" for short amounts of time spread out between the time you last meal has been digested, to the time you eat your next meal.
if starved cardio is inneffective; so is you 'caloric deficit" diet plan.
there you go, you fucking retarded bitch.
try to come at me and ill show you whats up.
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epic trying to sound knowledgable and misspelling 25 words in your "essay".
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epic trying to sound knowledgable and misspelling 25 words in your "essay".
Hahah yep, thats definantly a gimmick.
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cardio on zero calories is the best way to burn fat. period.
emtpy stomach/ yeah it works.
but i like to put 50 mg ephedrine 300 mg caffiene 200 mg asprin l carnitine and l glutamine in my stomach before doing cardio.
hahahha, eca calls for like 80 mg asprin, thats baby asprin, as well as a little less ephedrine. Hope your kidneys forgive you
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cardio on zero calories is the best way to burn fat. period.
emtpy stomach/ yeah it works.
but i like to put 50 mg ephedrine 300 mg caffiene 200 mg asprin l carnitine and l glutamine in my stomach before doing cardio.
hahahahaha, epic not sleeping for 4 days.
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the human body stores fat for a reason. to use during times of physical need of calories, but none are present in the body.
leafy, i know you have some chub on your right now. tmorrow morning i want you to stare at your waist for 10 minnutes. go out and do 2 hours of slow paced cardio on an empty stomach, then go back to the mirror and tell me that you dont see a difference.
results, results, results.
its only logical that the body will use body fat as a source of energy.
all bodily movements are "cardio", leafy. running a caloric deficit is just like doing very long drawn out slow paced "starved cardio" no difference. if your body can use fat for energy one time, it can use it at another.
its too easy, yet you dont get it.
open your mind.
take in the info.
trust me.
it works.
hah so you're claiming he'd have a NOTICEABLE amount of weightloss after one run? aaaahahhaha theres no chance that could be a little bit of water loss eh? :P
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hahahha, eca calls for like 80 mg asprin, thats baby asprin, as well as a little less ephedrine. Hope your kidneys forgive you
25mg ephe, 200 caf, 81 aspirin
candidate...is literally telling you to exert yourself while calorie depleted and also get high...great
I use to be one of those "45 min cardio first thing in the AM on an empty stomach"..I shifted to 10-20 min after working out....I am still learning
if I do cardio in the morning I take a scope of whey and maybe a couple of BCAA..never more than 25 minutes...
honestly, It is hard to eat less....especially on sundays with football coming on
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25mg ephe, 200 caf, 81 aspirin
candidate...is literally telling you to exert yourself while calorie depleted and also get high...great
Yeah i got a pretty good feelin he didnt look into how eca is supposed to be taken, he just was like "hm it stands for eph caffein and asprin eh" and then just takes a whole lotta each every day.
See at least the pros know how to abuse drugs...candidate just abuses them cuz hes confused
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Yeah i got a pretty good feelin he didnt look into how eca is supposed to be taken, he just was like "hm it stands for eph caffein and asprin eh" and then just takes a whole lotta each every day.
See at least the pros know how to abuse drugs...candidate just abuses them cuz hes confused
Beener, check out the link I posted above...Princess L and others are literally begin him to stop giving bad advice on the nutrional board
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hahahaha, it always makes me laugh when fat muscleless "guys" like candidate think that by taking ephedrine and caffiene and doing 8 hrs of cardio a day that in a month they're going to be these huge ripped 215 pound at 1 percent bodyfat monsters and only end up being 164 pounds and skinny/fat from all the cortisol release. ;D
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why dont u tell us how it should be taken, beener?
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hahahaha, it always makes me laugh when fat muscleless "guys" like candidate think that by taking ephedrine and caffiene and doing 8 hrs of cardio a day that in a month they're going to be these huge ripped 215 pound at 1 percent bodyfat monsters and only end up being 164 pounds and skinny/fat from all the cortisol release. ;D
Hahahah hey, it happens to the best of us. I thought i was going to be 180 ripped on my first cut and i ended up being a 155 skinny fat. Delusionality happens to everyone in the begining. The lucky ones get the reality check early and keep sticking with it.
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hahahaha, it always makes me laugh when fat muscleless "guys" like candidate think that by taking ephedrine and caffiene and doing 8 hrs of cardio a day that in a month they're going to be these huge ripped 215 pound at 1 percent bodyfat monsters and only end up being 164 pounds and skinny/fat from all the cortisol release. ;D
I don't go as far as leafy and others to say that no cardio is best way to go.
I know for me personally, I always look and feel better when I mix in cardio..yes, it maybe be that I am burning some muscle but I am not stepping on stage so it is ok.
hey Squad, what kind of food to do you have on tap for watching football?
I just called in my order for a slab of ribs and corn bread..he said that it came with a side of vegetables also..I told him no thanks
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I don't go as far as leafy and others to say that no cardio is best way to go.
I know for me personally, I always look and feel better when I mix in cardio..yes, it maybe be that I am burning some muscle but I am not stepping on stage so it is ok.
hey Squad, what kind of food to do you have on tap for watching football?
I just called in my order for a slab of ribs and corn bread..he said that he came with a side of vegetables also..I told him no thanks
hahahaha, matter of fact i just had the best slab of ribs last night at the best BBQ place in the entire world called Bandana's, it's a local chain here in St. Louis, ribs so good that you have to take off your shoes to wiggle your toes, had fries, green beans and garlic bread with it, yummy.
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epic changing of the subject once my point was proven.
my point stands.
and it will continue to stand.
the truth lives on.
"starved cardio" is the ONLY possible way to lose fat.
whether you are doing it by walking in the morning on an empty stomach, or during several small amounts spaced out during the day. it is the ONLY way possible for your body to burn fat.
leafy bug did his contest prep using entirely "starved cardio" to burn fat.
same as anyone who has ever lost an ounce of fat.
and dave, that is why you are fat, disgusting, ugly, and also, yes, "muscleless"
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epic changing of the subject once my point was proven.
my point stands.
and it will continue to stand.
the truth lives on.
"starved cardio" is the ONLY possible way to lose fat.
whether you are doing it by walking in the morning on an empty stomach, or during several small amounts spaced out during the day. it is the ONLY way possible for your body to burn fat.
leafy bug did his contest prep using entirely "starved cardio" to burn fat.
same as anyone who has ever lost an ounce of fat.
and dave, that is why you are fat, disgusting, ugly, and also, yes, "muscleless"
hahahahaha, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM ;D
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epic changing of the subject once my point was proven.
my point stands.
and it will continue to stand.
the truth lives on.
"starved cardio" is the ONLY possible way to lose fat.
whether you are doing it by walking in the morning on an empty stomach, or during several small amounts spaced out during the day. it is the ONLY way possible for your body to burn fat.
leafy bug did his contest prep using entirely "starved cardio" to burn fat.
same as anyone who has ever lost an ounce of fat.
and dave, that is why you are fat, disgusting, ugly, and also, yes, "muscleless"
Your attempts at trying to spark to shit stir are failing horribly.
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candidate...you have not quoted or revealed any scientific info to support your claim..
you were wrong on the basic eca formula that is everywhere, and you want us to believe you on this? you only say "trust me" ::)
leafy has at least competed under his claim of minimal cardio..the results are proof.
as a concession I might concede that your way is a great way to lose weight..but that is not the discussion at hand
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it is impossible to lose fat in any other way than by doing "starved cardio".
it is absolutely 100% the only possibility.
you will not, and cannot, lose any amount obody fat without doing "starved cardio".
this is 100% true. 100% accurate.
my argument is conclusive.
the "basic" eca stack ,yes, 25 mg e 200 mg caffiene and one, maybe two, childrens dosage asprin(81 mg.)
but i am not an average person when it comes to stimulants. i did the basic stack for two weeks, and i only felt it the first day, and it was barely anything. so for the last week i have upped the dosage to what its currently at. and same thing...i felt it only the first day.
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candidate...you have not quoted or revealed any scientific info to support your claim..
you were wrong on the basic eca formula that is everywhere, and you want us to believe you on this? you only say "trust me" ::)
leafy has at least competed under his claim of minimal cardio..the results are proof.
as a concession I might concede that your way is a great way to lose weight..but that is not the discussion at hand
exactly, Leafy looked fantastic, way better than "candidate" could ever hope to look.
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it is impossible to lose fat in any other way than by doing "starved cardio".
it is absolutely 100% the only possibility.
you will not, and cannot, lose any amount obody fat without doing "starved cardio".
this is 100% true. 100% accurate.
my argument is conclusive.
the "basic" eca stack ,yes, 25 mg e 200 mg caffiene and one, maybe two, childrens dosage asprin(81 mg.)
but i am not an average person when it comes to stimulants. i did the basic stack for two weeks, and i only felt it the first day, and it was barely anything. so for the last week i have upped the dosage to what its currently at. and same thing...i felt it only the first day.
thanks for the scientific proof...now I am totally convinced
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it is impossible to lose fat in any other way than by doing "starved cardio".
it is absolutely 100% the only possibility.
you will not, and cannot, lose any amount obody fat without doing "starved cardio".
this is 100% true. 100% accurate.
my argument is conclusive.
the "basic" eca stack ,yes, 25 mg e 200 mg caffiene and one, maybe two, childrens dosage asprin(81 mg.)
but i am not an average person when it comes to stimulants. i did the basic stack for two weeks, and i only felt it the first day, and it was barely anything. so for the last week i have upped the dosage to what its currently at. and same thing...i felt it only the first day.
;D
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hahahaha, no wonder "candidate's' body and attitude are so fuccked up, the kid is hopped up on speed everyday, leave that shit alone man. :D
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if there are calories in your body, your body will ALWAYS use those calories to perform any function it is called upon to perform. the only way your body will use itself for energy (aka fat loss) is by performing bodily functions without any calories present for your body to use.
a "calorie deficit" is when you take in less calories in a day than your body uses. say you eat 1700 calories in a day. your body uses 2000 calories performing various tasks throughout that same day day. well for 1700 calories worth of tasks; your body was using nutrient you provided it with. but for those other 300 caloires your body used...they were burnt up when you body didnt have any calories left from what you had eatn...when there were ZERO CALORIES PRESENT. you body then started to perform bodily functions using body fat as energy...it did so because you were "starved"(and because the movements were low intensity, had they been in the least bit stressful, your body would have switched to "survival mode" and burned muscle for fuel).
what happens when you wake up in the morning, and you walk to the fridge to get your breakfast...yet there is no calories in your body to fuel that walk to the fridge? well, your body has to get the energy somehow, so it uses body fat!
just like any other low intensity movement done on an empty stomach.
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if there are calories in your body, your body will ALWAYS use those calories to perform any function it is called upon to perform. the only way your body will use itself for energy (aka fat loss) is by performing bodily functions without any calories present for your body to use.
a "calorie deficit" is when you take in less calories in a day than your body uses. say you eat 1700 calories in a day. your body uses 2000 calories performing various tasks throughout that same day day. well for 1700 calories worth of tasks; your body was using nutrient you provided it with. but for those other 300 caloires your body used...they were burnt up when you body didnt have any calories left from what you had eatn...when there were ZERO CALORIES PRESENT. you body then started to perform bodily functions using body fat as energy...it did so because you were "starved"(and because the movements were low intensity, had they been in the least bit stressful, your body would have switched to "survival mode" and burned muscle for fuel).
what happens when you wake up in the morning, and you walk to the fridge to get your breakfast...yet there is no calories in your body to fuel that walk to the fridge? well, your body has to get the energy somehow, so it uses body fat!
just like any other low intensity movement done on an empty stomach.
You are a library of knowledge. Please enlighten us more.
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dont be bitter, leafy.
its okay..i dont hate you.
you just didnt know what the truth was.
your next pre-contest diet will be that much easier.
thank me later.
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hahahaha, yeah Leafy, maybe if you listen to him you can get your arms up to this level. ;D
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i could look like you, dave...(obscenely fat)...and it wouldnt matter. my point is accurate. and i stand as the victor in this argument.
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hahahaha, yeah Leafy, maybe if you listen to him you can get your arms up to this level. ;D
what do you have against matt damon?
but seriously, candidate was a fat kid that lost a ton of weight, he has yet to provide any evidence of being ripped
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if there are calories in your body, your body will ALWAYS use those calories to perform any function it is called upon to perform. the only way your body will use itself for energy (aka fat loss) is by performing bodily functions without any calories present for your body to use.
a "calorie deficit" is when you take in less calories in a day than your body uses. say you eat 1700 calories in a day. your body uses 2000 calories performing various tasks throughout that same day day. well for 1700 calories worth of tasks; your body was using nutrient you provided it with. but for those other 300 caloires your body used...they were burnt up when you body didnt have any calories left from what you had eatn...when there were ZERO CALORIES PRESENT. you body then started to perform bodily functions using body fat as energy...it did so because you were "starved"(and because the movements were low intensity, had they been in the least bit stressful, your body would have switched to "survival mode" and burned muscle for fuel).
what happens when you wake up in the morning, and you walk to the fridge to get your breakfast...yet there is no calories in your body to fuel that walk to the fridge? well, your body has to get the energy somehow, so it uses body fat!
just like any other low intensity movement done on an empty stomach.
As a fence sitter par excellence, decisive in my indecision and resolute in my uncertainty, I am compelled to say your statement is nonsense.
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i could look like you, dave...(obscenely fat)...and it wouldnt matter. my point is accurate. and i stand as the victor in this argument.
hahahahhaa, you're not victorious with this monstrousity of a build, hahahahhaa, epic skinny/fat love handles and morbid acne. ;D
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if there are calories in your body, your body will ALWAYS use those calories to perform any function it is called upon to perform. the only way your body will use itself for energy (aka fat loss) is by performing bodily functions without any calories present for your body to use.
a "calorie deficit" is when you take in less calories in a day than your body uses. say you eat 1700 calories in a day. your body uses 2000 calories performing various tasks throughout that same day day. well for 1700 calories worth of tasks; your body was using nutrient you provided it with. but for those other 300 caloires your body used...they were burnt up when you body didnt have any calories left from what you had eatn...when there were ZERO CALORIES PRESENT. you body then started to perform bodily functions using body fat as energy...it did so because you were "starved"(and because the movements were low intensity, had they been in the least bit stressful, your body would have switched to "survival mode" and burned muscle for fuel).
what happens when you wake up in the morning, and you walk to the fridge to get your breakfast...yet there is no calories in your body to fuel that walk to the fridge? well, your body has to get the energy somehow, so it uses body fat!
just like any other low intensity movement done on an empty stomach.
This is by far the absolutely dumbest thing Ive read in my entire life
Jason
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This is by far the absolutely dumbest thing Ive read in my entire life
Jason
hand around longer, Candidate will surely drop more jewels of knowledge on us ::)
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okay then guys..this question should bring about the realization for you
think of one scenario in which the human body would burn body fat off, other than when calories are not present and it called upon to perform a task.
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okay then guys..this question should bring about the realization for you
think of one scenario in which the human body would burn body fat off, other than when calories are not present and it called upon to perform a task.
How about when working out in an abundance of calories?
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okay then guys..this question should bring about the realization for you
think of one scenario in which the human body would burn body fat off, other than when calories are not present and it called upon to perform a task.
Ever heard of the "Thermic Effect of Food"? Kind of shoots down all that bullshgit youve been spouting for the last two pages.
Jason
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you will be using those calories.
the human body wont eat itself when it has nutrients available to use alternatively.
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you will be using those calories.
the human body wont eat itself when it has nutrients available to use alternatively.
So youve never heard of it?
Jason
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Ever heard of the "Thermic Effect of Food"? Kind of shoots down all that bullshgit youve been spouting for the last two pages.
Jason
how so?
the two are unrelated...inf act, if anything at all; the thermic effect offood would support my argument. but it really doesnt have any relationship with the topic at hand.
dont post something that isnt accurate.
i understand that its only human nature for you guys to be be-wildered and confused by this.
what people dont understand, they choose to say is "confusing" or that its stupid...its a form of delusion that your ego creates so as to prevent you from ever thinking that soemone else is smarter than you are.
i ome across this all the time....any ideas that are beyond a persons rationale they dem to be confusing, impossible, or stupid. its just a way of disgarding the fact that it is their own inferiority, not the arguments, that is the problem.
yes, human beings are scared of that which they do not understand.
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okay then guys..this question should bring about the realization for you
think of one scenario in which the human body would burn body fat off, other than when calories are not present and it called upon to perform a task.
I think the better word for what you're trying to say is "glucose" not "calories."
Your bodies first and favorite choice of fuel will always be glucose (blood sugar) and glycogen (the storage form of glucose). Once all the glucose and glycogen stores are depleted your body has to find another fuel source. That leaves either converting aminos from your muscle into glucose (glucogenisis) or using stored fat. The intensity level of what you're doing goes a long way in determining which fuel source your body will use. If your intensity level is high your body will use glucogenisis to supply the needed fuel. If the intensity level is low (under 130 heart beats per minute) your body will generally use fat for fuel. It's not 100% glucogenisis or 100% fat use for fuel, but primarily one or the other.
This is why doing low intensity cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is an effective fat burner. You've gone 8 hours without food and your glucose and glycogen stores are depleted or close to it. If you keep the intensity low your body should burn primarily fat for fuel. If you're concerned about muscle loss take some branch chain aminos and glutamine before starting your cardio.
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but wouldn't the same glycogen depleted state occur after intense weight training?
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why dont u tell us how it should be taken, beener?
28mg eph, 200 caff, 80mg asprin (though i dont use the asprin, as many do not)
Happy? Oh and this was already covered on the first page, and if you type eca ANYWHERE into ANY search thats exactly the protocol you'll come oup wiht..
fucktard
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but wouldn't the same glycogen depleted state occur after intense weight training?
Yes, it possibly could. It depends a lot on how full your glycogen stores are before your weight training. If you train at 5 pm and you've eaten several high carb meals throughout the day your glycogen stores could be completely full, which depending on one's size could be anywhere from 300-500 stored grams of glycogen (carbs basically). So in order to deplete your glycogen stores to even get into the fat burning zone you'd first need to burn off all of that stored glycogen. Weight training really doesn't burn as many calories as many think so more than likely you'll start your cardio with with your glycogen stores still at least partly full. You'll first need to burn off the remaining glycogen stores before your body will turn to the fat stores.
Doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is just easier for a lot of people since you're almost assured your glycogen stores are depleted and it can also be very hard to complete a full cardio session after a hard weight training session.
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interesting thread.
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Yes, it possibly could. It depends a lot on how full your glycogen stores are before your weight training. If you train at 5 pm and you've eaten several high carb meals throughout the day your glycogen stores could be completely full, which depending on one's size could be anywhere from 300-500 stored grams of glycogen (carbs basically). So in order to deplete your glycogen stores to even get into the fat burning zone you'd first need to burn off all of that stored glycogen. Weight training really doesn't burn as many calories as many think so more than likely you'll start your cardio with with your glycogen stores still at least partly full. You'll first need to burn off the remaining glycogen stores before your body will turn to the fat stores.
Doing cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is just easier for a lot of people since you're almost assured your glycogen stores are depleted and it can also be very hard to complete a full cardio session after a hard weight training session.
Muscle run on fat and carbs regardless if glycogen stores are full. Glycogen is targeted more for the brains use then it is for the muscles.
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monster overcomplicating of simple knowledge.
do cardio to loose weight, whether your stomach is full or empty is a marginal difference at most.
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monster overcomplicating of simple knowledge.
do cardio to loose weight, whether your stomach is full or empty is a marginal difference at most.
Some cardio is more ideal then others and more muscle sparring. Do HIT cardio and you will literally beable to count your sessions for your whole contest prep on 2 hands.
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Some cardio is more ideal then others and more muscle sparring. Do HIT cardio and you will literally beable to count your sessions for your whole contest prep on 2 hands.
What exactly is HIT cardio ?
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What exactly is HIT cardio ?
that is where you take your ECA and then beat your wife for 30 min
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What exactly is HIT cardio ?
Sprints are a good example.
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Wouldn't the body be more prone to hang onto fat stores in the winter by downshifting metabolism? People in hot climates tend to be leaner than people who live in cold climates, in spite of the fact that those who dwell in snowy environments have to shovel the driveway first thing in the morning.
yes, you are right and I agree 100%. Cold air or water will cause an evolutionary survival response by storing fat, and tends to also make u store fat subcutaneously. This is the reason why my dieting is much less effective during the cold months...I cant do any shows requiring me to diet during this period (nov-march) as it is an uphill battle the whole way thru.
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What exactly is HIT cardio ?
HIT is generally anything that gets your heart rate over 130 bpm.
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yes, you are right and I agree 100%. Cold air or water will cause an evolutionary survival response by storing fat, and tends to also make u store fat subcutaneously. This is the reason why my dieting is much less effective during the cold months...I cant do any shows requiring me to diet during this period (nov-march) as it is an uphill battle the whole way thru.
There you have it. Everyone should listen to me all the time.
"Trust me" :D
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that is where you take your ECA and then beat your wife for 30 min
Like Mike Menzter did
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Sprints are a good example.
Sprint for 3 mins.? then rest for 1 ? Thank's Leafy.
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HIT is generally anything that gets your heart rate over 130 bpm.
Thank's bro..
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once someone else came in and backed me up everyone backed off....
which is exactly what i knew would happen.
epic arguing only because of my age.
brutal lack of fault-admittance when debate opponent is of lesser years.
monster delusions of knowledge.
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once someone else came in and backed me up everyone backed off....
which is exactly what i knew would happen.
epic arguing only because of my age.
brutal lack of fault-admittance when debate opponent is of lesser years.
monster delusions of knowledge.
Dude !! What the hell.... Instead of all this mumbo jumbo bullshit...Write something we can understand ...
I'm all for learning something new ..So please explain what it is ,that you're writing about.
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lol!
that last post had no information in it.
it was me bragging that i was right and they were wrong.
heres the info i had intended this thread to be about= Doing cardio in the cold burns more fat than in the heat. because your body tries to always maintain an internal temperature of 98.6 degrees, and if it is colder outside your body than that degree, it will bunr calories in a process called thermogenisis to produce heat and rise your bodies temperature to the proper heat. if it is hotter than 98/.6 degrees outside your body, your body will not bunr calories in orsder to heat itself, but instead release water through your pores to cool you off.
so all those times you put on sweats before you worked out, or did cardio; you DID lose water weight, but you were not using as many calories as you could have been. which is not important for weight training, but cardio....the only purpose of which is to burn calories...this piece of info is of great importance.
the info that this thread turned into being about=
there is no possible way to burn fat while there are calories, or glucose, present in your system. someone argued against the idea of cardio done on an empty stomach..sayingt hat it was ineffective. which is ludicrous. the only possible way to burn fat is by doing "starved cardio". in a caloric deficit you are only bunring fat when your body resorts to "starved cardio" during those small intervals during the day in which your body has already used up all the calories from its last meal, but is still being called upon to perform functions that require energy. and all functions require energy.
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Sprint for 3 mins.? then rest for 1 ? Thank's Leafy.
I prefer 3 sets of 3-4 with 3 mins rest embetween.
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lol!
in a caloric deficit you are only bunring fat when your body resorts to "starved cardio" during those small intervals during the day in which your body has already used up all the calories from its last meal, but is still being called upon to perform functions that require energy. and all functions require energy.
So you now also want us to believe that all meals are digested in the 2 hours between them?
Jason
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So you now also want us to believe that all meals are digested in the 2 hours between them? YOU ARE A FUCKTARD.
Jason
when did i say that, jason?
you are looking for things to point out and call incorrect, rather than addressing the main point. you know as well as i do that i didnt argue that point, and that that point has nothing to do with my argument.
you cannot burn body fat unless your body has no other option...meaning that there are no calories, or glucose, present. this state of "no other option" is called being on an "empty stomach", or being "starved".
thus, it is impossible to burn fat without performing some type of "starved cardio". saying that doing cardio on an empty stomach doesnt work is like saying that it is impossible to lose body fat.
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GET OFF MY NUTS, BITCHES!!!!!!
;D ;D
you arent on my level.
;)
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I prefer 3 sets of 3-4 with 3 mins rest embetween.
Thank you sir ... Will do ! Anything else I can do?
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GET OFF MY NUTS, BITCHES!!!!!!
;D ;D
you arent on my level.
;)
You were doing so well ? ???
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This whole thread is retarded. If you do "starved" cardio first thing in the morning, your body has already entered a catabolic state overnight. During an extended fast your body burns muscle, not fat. By your logic I should be able to not eat for 4 days straight and all I would lose is bodyfat, no muscle.
You seen any ripped Ethiopians lately?
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ok...the new mr "o" will be an eskimo that does cardio undressed (in the igloo) and eats whale blubber and BCAAs...why cant Troy Alves get his ear problem fixed then...discuss!
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lol!
that last post had no information in it.
it was me bragging that i was right and they were wrong.
heres the info i had intended this thread to be about= Doing cardio in the cold burns more fat than in the heat. because your body tries to always maintain an internal temperature of 98.6 degrees, and if it is colder outside your body than that degree, it will bunr calories in a process called thermogenisis to produce heat and rise your bodies temperature to the proper heat. if it is hotter than 98/.6 degrees outside your body, your body will not bunr calories in orsder to heat itself, but instead release water through your pores to cool you off.
so all those times you put on sweats before you worked out, or did cardio; you DID lose water weight, but you were not using as many calories as you could have been. which is not important for weight training, but cardio....the only purpose of which is to burn calories...this piece of info is of great importance.
of course, the body uses burns more calories if it's colder, and no, cardio isn't just for burning calories, cardio keeps our heart and cardiovascular system in shape.
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This whole thread is retarded. If you do "starved" cardio first thing in the morning, your body has already entered a catabolic state overnight. During an extended fast your body burns muscle, not fat. By your logic I should be able to not eat for 4 days straight and all I would lose is bodyfat, no muscle.
You seen any ripped Ethiopians lately?
At what point in sleep does the body begin to enter that catabolic state? and what time would you suggest to stop eating? ... saaaay if my bedtime was 10pm ? and awoke at 6-7am. Would you say ones hunger in the morning would possibly evidence the fact one is or has been in a catabolic state overnight? - serious questions by the way
thanks.
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At what point in sleep does the body begin to enter that catabolic state? and what time would you suggest to stop eating? ... saaaay if my bedtime was 10pm ? and awoke at 6-7am. Would you say ones hunger in the morning would possibly evidence the fact one is or has been in a catabolic state overnight? - serious questions by the way
thanks.
After about 3 or 4 hours. It's the same reason that bodybuilders are told to eat every 2-3 hours. And you'll see guys follow that a lot more closely when they're dieting, as well, because you're more likely to enter a catabolic state more quickly because of the caloric deficit that you're in. Eating protein every 2-3 hours makes sure that your body has amino acids to rebuild muscle tissue damaged by workouts. And yes, if you're hungry, you've already entered a catabolic state, 9 times out of 10.
BTW, the reason that you can eat a small amount of protein or BCAA's prior to cardio and not have it affect fat loss is because your body always has a use for amino acids, and your body doesn't like to use it for fuel unless you place incredibly high energy demands on your body. It would rather use dietary carbs or fat, or in the absence of those two, body fat. Eating that protein sends a message to your body to stop the breakdown of muscle tissue that's been taking place overnight and snaps you out of a catabolic state and into an anabolic one. And your body won't burn bodyfat if it's in a catabolic state.