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Bill Maher tells it like it is:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/09/bill_maher_new_31.html (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/09/bill_maher_new_31.html)
BRILLIANT!!!
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Bill Maher tells it like it is:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/09/bill_maher_new_31.html (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/09/bill_maher_new_31.html)
BRILLIANT!!!
YAWN. "Rationalists." ::) And after that rant, he remains one of the tiny minority who doesn't believe in God and one of the tiny minority who would put an atheist in public office. We will never have an atheist president. I doubt we ever have an atheist governor.
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YAWN. "Rationalists." ::) And after that rant, he remains one of the tiny minority who doesn't believe in God and one of the tiny minority who would put an atheist in public office. We will never have an atheist president. I doubt we ever have an atheist governor.
Oh...
My...
Gawd...
You mean to tell me that Bill Maher wants a president who thinks for himself?
Are you SURE?
Are you SURE you heard that, Beach Bum?
Thinks for HIMSELF?
Wow... what a novel idea...
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Oh...
My...
Gawd...
You mean to tell me that Bill Maher wants a president who thinks for himself?
Are you SURE?
Are you SURE you heard that, Beach Bum?
Thinks for HIMSELF?
Wow... what a novel idea...
1. Maher is a standup comic. Just so we're clear on who we're dealing with.
2. He called everyone who believed in God stupid.
3. The smartest people in the country and in our history believe in God. A tiny minority do not. Religion permeates our society at all levels.
4. To say a person who believes in God doesn't think for himself is absurd.
I have seen his attitude displayed by many atheists/agnostics. They can't just believe in nothing. They have to ridicule the overwhelming majority of the population who disagrees with them. This was clearly evident when I watched a portion of the atheists national convention.
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"3. The smartest people in the country and in our history believe in God."
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OK "Beach Bum"...
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"3. The smartest people in the country and in our history believe in God."
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OK "Beach Bum"...
Why is that so laughable to you? Here is just one example that Beach Bum is correct.
"Christopher Michael Langan (born c. 1957) is an American autodidact whose IQ was reported by 20/20 and other media sources to have been measured at around 195.[1] Billed as possibly "the smartest man in America",[2]"
Board-certified neuropsychologist Dr. Robert Novelly tested Langan's IQ for 20/20, which reported that Langan broke the ceiling of the test, scoring "off the charts". Novelly was said to be astounded, saying: "Chris is the highest individual that I have ever measured in 25 years of doing this."[7]
Articles and interviews highlighting Langan appeared in Popular Science,[10] The Times,[8] Newsday,[6] Muscle & Fitness (which reported that he could bench 500 pounds),[11] and elsewhere. Langan was featured on 20/20,[7] interviewed on BBC Radio[12] and on Errol Morris's First Person,[13] and participated in an online chat at ABCNEWS.com.[14] He has written question-and-answer columns for New York Newsday,[15] The Improper Hamptonian,[16] and Men's Fitness.[17]
Langan is a fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID),[19] a professional society which promotes intelligent design,[20] and has published a paper on his CTMU in the society's online journal Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design in 2002.[21] Later that year, he presented a lecture on his CTMU at ISCID's Research and Progress in Intelligent Design (RAPID) conference.[22] In 2004, Langan contributed a chapter to Uncommon Dissent, an essay collection of works that question Darwinian evolution edited by ISCID cofounder and leading intelligent design proponent William Dembski.[23]
Asked about creationism, Langan has said:
"I believe in the theory of evolution, but I believe as well in the allegorical truth of creation theory. In other words, I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind. Mankind is then a participant in the creation of the universe itself, so that we have a closed loop. I believe that there is a level on which science and religious metaphor are mutually compatible."[14]
Langan has said he does not belong to any religious denomination, explaining that he "can't afford to let [his] logical approach to theology be prejudiced by religious dogma."[14] He calls himself "a respecter of all faiths, among peoples everywhere."[14]
1. ^ For the figure of 195, see Sager 1999, McFadden 1999, Fowler 2000, Wigmore 2000, O'Connell 2001, Brabham 2001, and Quain 2001. In Morris 2001, Langan relates that he took what was billed as "the world's most difficult IQ test" in Omni magazine, and gives his IQ as "somewhere between 190 and 210."
2. ^ For the phrase "the smartest man in America", see Sager 1999, Fowler 2000, Wigmore 2000, and Brabham 2001. O'Connell 2001 (in the standfirst) uses "the smartest man in the world", and Quain 2001 (on the cover) uses "the Smartest Man Alive".
3. ^ CTMU Q & A - What is the CTMU?
4. ^ Preston, Ray (November 15, 2006). "Meet the Smartest Man in America".
5. ^ Sager 1999; Brabham 2001.
6. ^ a b Brabham, Dennis. (August 21, 2001). "The Smart Guy". Newsday.
7. ^ a b c d e McFadden, Cynthia. (December 9, 1999). "The Smart Guy". 20/20.
8. ^ a b Wigmore, Barry. (February 7, 2000). "Einstein's brain, King Kong's body". The Times.
9. ^ a b c d e Sager, Mike (November 1999). "The Smartest Man in America". Esquire.
10. ^ a b Quain, John R. (October 14, 2001). "Wise Guy" (Interview with Christopher Langan and Science Works in Mysterious Ways). Popular Science.
11. ^ a b O'Connell, Jeff. (May 2001). "Mister Universe". Muscle & Fitness.
12. ^ Fowler, Damien. (January 2000). Interview with Mega Foundation members. Outlook. BBC Radio.
13. ^ Morris, Errol. (August 14, 2001). "The Smartest Man in the World". First Person.
14. ^ a b c d e ABCNEWS.com Chat Transcript
15. ^ Langan, Christopher M. (September 2001). Chris Langan answers your questions. New York Newsday. Melville, NY.
16. ^ Langan, Christopher M. (2000-2001). HiQ. The Improper Hamptonian. Westhampton Beach, NY.
17. ^ O'Connell, Jeff, Ed. (2004). World of knowledge: we harness the expertise of the brawny, the brainy, and the bearded to solve your most pressing dilemmas. Men's Fitness.
18. ^ Preston, Ray (November 15, 2006). "Meet the Smartest Man in America".
19. ^ ISCID fellows
20. ^ Intelligent Design and Peer Review. American Association for the Advancement of Science. Retrieved on 2007-03-28. “[T]he International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design (ISCID), which promotes intelligent design...”.
21. ^ Langan, Christopher M. (2002). The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: A New Kind of Reality Theory. Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design 1.2-1.3
22. ^ RAPID conference schedule
23. ^ Langan, Christopher M. (2004). Cheating the Millennium: The Mounting Explanatory Debts of Scientific Naturalism. In Uncommon Dissent: Intellectuals Who Find Darwinism Unconvincing, Wm. Dembski, Ed., Intercollegiate Studies Institute.
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All the sources quoted are from the creationist/"intelligent design" lobby.
What real degrees does this guy hold from real universities?
What real scientific journals have published his work?
What real scientists and researchers take him seriously?
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"3. The smartest people in the country and in our history believe in God."
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OK "Beach Bum"...
::) I hate to break this to you "Columbusdude," but more than 90 percent of Americans believe in God. We have never had an atheist in the White House. We have probably never had an atheist governor. There are doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers, scientists, etc. who believe in God.
Then there are people like you. :)
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::) I hate to break this to you "Columbusdude," but more than 90 percent of Americans believe in God. We have never had an atheist in the White House. We have probably never had an atheist governor. There are doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers, scientists, etc. who believe in God.
Then there are people like you. :)
Wait!
You should have a degree in statistics and a PHD before you make comments challenging anything a Atheists says.... ::) ;D
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Wait!
You should have a degree in statistics and a PHD before you make comments challenging anything a Atheists says.... ::) ;D
:D Yep. And I need to actually read a book about the number of people who believe in God before I can comment on it.
Or I could just rely on a standup comic. :)
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Article VI - US Constitution
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States
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Article VI - US Constitution
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States
Tell that to the folks who won't vote for anyone who doesn't talk to their favorite imaginary friend...
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It's reality.
People are reluctant to vote for atheists: "An atheist would seem to have the hardest time getting elected president, as a majority of Americans (53%) say they would not vote for a presidential candidate who was an atheist." http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26611
Many people do not trust atheists. They are apparently the least trusted group in America: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159143.0
This might be because there are so few atheists in this country: "A belief in God and an identification with an organized religion are widespread throughout the country, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion." http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=155031.0
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Forget atheists here. I am talking about those with different imaginary friends.
Look at all the fundamentalist christians who made Romney's mormonism an issue against him...
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You mean forget the fact people won't vote for atheists, people don't trust atheists, and atheists make up a miniscule percentage of the population?
I think it's far more interesting to explore the mindset of people who believe in nothing and ridicule and denigrate the overwhelming majority of the people who disagree with them.
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There you go again, talking about "atheists" as if they were a group who "believe" something, like "Christians" or "Muslims."
"Atheist" is just a negation. It means "Doesn't believe in gods."
It doesn't say ANYTHING about what someone really does believe.
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There you go again, talking about "atheists" as if they were a group who "believe" something, like "Christians" or "Muslims."
"Atheist" is just a negation. It means "Doesn't believe in gods."
It doesn't say ANYTHING about what someone really does believe.
LOL. Bzzzzzzzz!!! They have national organizations: http://www.atheists.org/ http://www.atheistalliance.org/
They have a TV show called Atheist Viewpoint: http://atheistviewpoint.tv/
They are having their annual national convention in April: http://www.atheists.org/convention/
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True, but that doesn't mean they all "believe" the same thing, like "Christians" or "Southern Baptists" or "Sunni Muslim"...
I don't even like to refer to myself as an atheist, because once you start introducing yourself by all the things you don't believe in, that makes for one very long introduction.
e.g.
"Hi. I'm columbusdude82. I am an atheist, a-santaclausist, a toothfairyist, a-zeusist, a-astrologist, ...."
You get the idea.
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It's reality.
People are reluctant to vote for atheists: "An atheist would seem to have the hardest time getting elected president, as a majority of Americans (53%) say they would not vote for a presidential candidate who was an atheist." http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26611
Many people do not trust atheists. They are apparently the least trusted group in America: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159143.0
This might be because there are so few atheists in this country: "A belief in God and an identification with an organized religion are widespread throughout the country, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion." http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=155031.0
Nothing of which being any indication whatsoever of the truth values of religions and their claims....what's your point? Stupid argumentum ad populum...
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Nothing of which being any indication whatsoever of the truth values of religions and their claims....what's your point? Stupid argumentum ad populum...
lol . . . lol . . . . O.K. What does "argumentum ad populum" mean? Sounds like "intellectual elitists snobbery crap" to me. lol . . . . . .
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lol . . . lol . . . . O.K. What does "argumentum ad populum" mean? Sounds like "intellectual elitists snobbery crap" to me. lol . . . . . .
Now don't tell us you don't speak latin!
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lol . . . lol . . . . O.K. What does "argumentum ad populum" mean? Sounds like "intellectual elitists snobbery crap" to me. lol . . . . . .
Sorry, too many years at university; an argumentum ad populum simply means 'an argument from popularity' or 'an argument appealing to the people'; the popularity of a claim or belief is not a indication of its truth value.
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Sorry, too many years at university; an argumentum ad populum simply means 'an argument from popularity' or 'an argument appealing to the people'; the popularity of a claim or belief is not a indication of its truth value.
Sounds like the typical method of American politics ;D
I think BB and C-82 were talking about atheists in American politics which is virtually non existent.
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Sounds like the typical method of American politics ;D
I think BB and C-82 were talking about atheists in American politics which is virtually non existent.
Yes all politicians are nice church-going people who fervently believe... Never would a politician even think to just pretend to be religious to please voters, or anything of the sort...
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Yes all politicians are nice church-going people who fervently believe... Never would a politician even think to just pretend to be religious to please voters, or anything of the sort...
I think some of them actually believe it, in fact some actually think they are on mission from God. Imagine that.... ::)
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I think some of them actually believe it, in fact some actually think they are on mission from God. Imagine that.... ::)
Where on earth would they get such preposterous ideas...
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Where on earth would they get such preposterous ideas...
Because they think God talks to them.... ;D and then they think they are justified... >:(
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Interesting... so politicians talking to God (praying), that's essential to get votes.
But when God talks back to them, you make fun of them...
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Interesting... so politicians talking to God (praying), that's essential to get votes.
But when God talks back to them, you make fun of them...
No, nice try C-82. It seems like you are grasping to find some angle.
I'm talking about God talking to them, not them praying to God.
I make fun of that.
When people pray to god for whatever they pray for it's a personal thing. I wouldn't make fun of that.....you might, maybe.
As far as getting votes. America is probably the most religious nation on earth. When running for office you stand little chance of getting elected if you don't believe in God. That's just the way it is.
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Sorry, too many years at university; an argumentum ad populum simply means 'an argument from popularity' or 'an argument appealing to the people'; the popularity of a claim or belief is not a indication of its truth value.
I spent a few years "at university" and I have never heard or used the phrase "argumentum ad populum." No one talks like that "at university" (or anywhere else). Are you from the U.S.?
I wasn't making an argument. Just stating facts.
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Watched the second half of the Democrat debate last night. The second to last question of the night was "name your favorite Bible verse."
Last question was "Red Sox or Yankees."
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I spent a few years "at university" and I have never heard or used the phrase "argumentum ad populum." No one talks like that "at university" (or anywhere else). Are you from the U.S.?
I wasn't making an argument. Just stating facts.
I originally hail fom the USA but haven't lived there in some 10 years. I studied Latin but beyond that you should simply google 'argumentum ad populum'...it is very common and has wide spread usage.
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I originally hail fom the USA but haven't lived there in some 10 years. I studied Latin but beyond that you should simply google 'argumentum ad populum'...it is very common and has wide spread usage.
I Googled it. There are apparently several variations: appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people, argument by consensus, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy, and tyranny of the majority. All of those phrases are much less awkward.
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I Googled it. There are apparently several variations: appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people, argument by consensus, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy, and tyranny of the majority. All of those phrases are much less awkward.
Ah yes, the infinite ambiguity of Latin.... ;D
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1. Maher is a standup comic. Just so we're clear on who we're dealing with.
2. He called everyone who believed in God stupid.
3. The smartest people in the country and in our history believe in God. A tiny minority do not. Religion permeates our society at all levels.
4. To say a person who believes in God doesn't think for himself is absurd.
I have seen his attitude displayed by many atheists/agnostics. They can't just believe in nothing. They have to ridicule the overwhelming majority of the population who disagrees with them. This was clearly evident when I watched a portion of the atheists national convention.
2. Maher is one of the most astute imntelligient political satirists we have.
3. The most astute politicians in the history of politics all CLAIM to believe in God. Whether they actually do is debateable.
4. And you claim to be any better? You're not a mod on this board, so I'll just assume that if one backs up to the beginning of this thread, your hypocrisy is still there for the world to see. ;)
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2. Maher is one of the most astute imntelligient political satirists we have.
3. The most astute politicians in the history of politics all CLAIM to believe in God. Whether they actually do is debateable.
4. And you claim to be any better? You're not a mod on this board, so I'll just assume that if one backs up to the beginning of this thread, your hypocrisy is still there for the world to see. ;)
::) Yes, I consider the standup comic "imntelligient" too. Not "debateable" at all. Troll.
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I spent a few years "at university" and I have never heard or used the phrase "argumentum ad populum." No one talks like that "at university" (or anywhere else). Are you from the U.S.?
I wasn't making an argument. Just stating facts.
Not saying that Trapezkerl is one of these people, but I have heard a couple of professors say that most people who throw Latin words into a debate, discussion or casual conversation for no reason are simply trying to appear more educated and intelligent than they really are. ;D
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Not saying that Trapezkerl is one of these people, but I have heard a couple of professors say that most people who throw Latin words into a debate, discussion or casual conversation for no reason are simply trying to appear more educated and intelligent than they really are. ;D
That has been my experience.
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But you have to admit, it's meaning was very obvious, ...even if you don't read latin.
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But you have to admit, it's meaning was very obvious, ...even if you don't read latin.
Beach Bum only speaks English, the language of Jesus...
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Beach Bum only speaks English, the language of Jesus...
Not. Beach Bum also speaks pig latin, the language of his children. For example, agj is upidstay. :)