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After he was open and Rivers missed him. Funny thing is River's threw a pass to LT later, and he tipped the ball up for an int. It is becoming pretty evident when LT is faced with adversity he is not "classy" at all. Not so tough to be all class when everyone is licking your balls and you are winning all the time. A true measure of class is how you react when things are not going well. Crying at the podium and going apeshit on you're qb during a game ain't class. Thats brat ;)
Btw I would take LT on my team in a second. The guy is insanely talented.
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Yup,saw it.what a little bitch he is when things don't go his way.
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Further evidence of Norv Turner's lack of leadership.
The guy is terrible.
I hate to see this happen to the players, but the organization is getting what it deserves...which is sad for the players.
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LT is reacting like someone who is being hamstrung by his own talent and no one else on his team right now can do anything worthwhile.
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LT is reacting like someone who is being hamstrung by his own talent and no one else on his team right now can do anything worthwhile.
Lt is acting like a baby. The self proclaimed classiest guy in the NFL should stay classy when his qb misses him on a play. I dont know many classy team guys that scream at there qb in plain view of 70,000 people and a national audience for missing a throw. Last week he was literally crying after the pats loss.
I can name plenty of good players that dont pull junk like that when fellow players make a mistake. Lt acts like a spoiled brat when he loses.
Lt is finding out it aint all roses and praise, and he dont like it.
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Lt is finding out it aint all roses and praise, and he dont like it.
No - he's yelling at other players instead of calling out his coach, because he knows that the idiots who sign his checks 'believe in' the coach.
He knows that this team has enough talent to get to the AFC Championship game, but that the new coaching staff is in their way. That is a very frustrating situation for every player in San Diego.
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No - he's yelling at other players instead of calling out his coach, because he knows that the idiots who sign his checks 'believe in' the coach.
He knows that this team has enough talent to get to the AFC Championship game, but that the new coaching staff is in their way. That is a very frustrating situation for every player in San Diego.
Where was all this blame when everyone was calling for martys head? Imo LT is not acting with class. He is a team leader, he needs to lead his team. Not scream at the qb for missing him when he was open.
I know the situation is frustrating for him. But what is going to help it? Whinging, crying and fighting amonst his mates, or leading his team? How does Norv cause players to not make plays? i know the guy sucks, but its not just the coaching.
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Everyone knows that Marty is not a big-game coach, but his teams always at least got to the playoffs.
With Norv, everyone knows that he can't coach, PERIOD.
They should've kept Marty one more season, but at worst, if they were going to replace him, they needed to bring in a proven winner like Parcells or Cowher.
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Everyone knows or should know that you don't let that kind of display happen on the sidelines--that stuff should go on in the locker room.
Norv Turner is not the answer. He's a horrible head coach but a brilliant developer of QBs--look what he did for Troy Aikman.
But on a high note, Green Bay is 3-0 and the Bears are fading faster than the Chargers Superbowl run.
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Everyone knows that Marty is not a big-game coach, but his teams always at least got to the playoffs.
With Norv, everyone knows that he can't coach, PERIOD.
They should've kept Marty one more season, but at worst, if they were going to replace him, they needed to bring in a proven winner like Parcells or Cowher.
What part of Turners game planning have you felt he could do better with? I know there are many, this is an honest question meant to get your take on what he has done or not done so far.
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What part of Turners game planning have you felt he could do better with? I know there are many, this is an honest question meant to get your take on what he has done or not done so far.
I'm still not sure how green bay wasn't crushed in the game. LT is the best RB in the game. Turner was not patient enough with the running game. Maybe try 30+ carries.
Rivers was on target (he didn't miss on a pass in the first half) and Gates was open all day long.
On defense, Merriman was the invisible merriMan. The pressure on the QB stunk and the db/safeties made a habit of playing out of position all day.
Play calling could have been better too.
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Everyone knows or should know that you don't let that kind of display happen on the sidelines--that stuff should go on in the locker room.
Agreed, in general.
Norv Turner is not the answer. He's a horrible head coach...
100% correct. How many franchises does this guy get to leave in ruins?
...but a brilliant developer of QBs--look what he did for Troy Aikman.
I don't buy that one bit. The media tried to sell that same line of garbage when he went to Washington and then again when he went to Oakland and now to San Diego.
Troy Aikman had one of the best offensive lines we've seen in this modern era of football and he also had Emmitt & Irvin. Even Emmitt admits that a "lot" of teams would've had success running behind the line that blocked for him all those years.
Norv Turner deserves pretty close to zero credit for that.
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What part of Turners game planning have you felt he could do better with? I know there are many, this is an honest question meant to get your take on what he has done or not done so far.
In the game against Green Bay, his QB completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
In the same game, LT only had 22 rushes and 3 receptions. He averaged less than 3 yards per carry, but averaged more than 10 yards per reception.
So why didn't he have more receptions??
In the first 2 games of the season, LT had only 24 and 22 total touches, respectively.
24+22+25 = 71
Most football people would argue that he needs to be getting 30 touches per game, and I agree.
That's just on the offensive side of the ball. Remember, before he got to Washington, he was supposedly this 'offensive genius'.
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LT lacked a lot of class... he could have saved that bitch fest for the lockerroom
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In the game against Green Bay, his QB completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
In the same game, LT only had 22 rushes and 3 receptions. He averaged less than 3 yards per carry, but averaged more than 10 yards per reception.
So why didn't he have more receptions??
In the first 2 games of the season, LT had only 24 and 22 total touches, respectively.
24+22+25 = 71
Most football people would argue that he needs to be getting 30 touches per game, and I agree.
That's just on the offensive side of the ball. Remember, before he got to Washington, he was supposedly this 'offensive genius'.
Giving Lt the ball 30 times instead of 24 or 22 times while his offensive line is getting pushed back at will and the opposing defense is playing behind the line of scrimmage would do nothing for the chargers but cost them more yards imo. Lt is getting shit yards because he is getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Not to mention you cant pass the ball if you have no time. Rivers is in the same situation Brady was last year. Wr's to slow to create seperation allowing people to play them man to man and not worry about the big play. Giving the ball to LT 30 times when his line is playing the way it is would be a bad idea. The receptions point is a solid one, but as you saw yesterday Rivers has trouble getting him the ball under pressure. Not to mention if you are focusing a teams success on one player you are screwed.
The chargers problems start on the offensive line. Before people get into the coaching they should focus on the horrid offensive line play, the poor run defense, and the secondary that can be passed on at will. Turner is a bad coach, but FAR from the only problem with this team. The secondary issue is old. It sucked last year to. They did nothing to sure it up.
Don't blame the chargers loss to the pats of the world on coaching. The NE offensive line was manhandling the chargers line. The NE defensive line was playing behind the chargers offensive line and penetrating at will. The secondary was subjected to an air raid, and the run d was exposed when they couldn't stack the box due to the shit secondary. In San D's scheme offensive and defensive line play are imperative. They play bad, the team cant operate. Last year the pats and the colts where not as good as they are now. Chargers turned over there staff and did nothing to improve, while the other afc big boys did everything they could to improve.
Chargers have the talent, and they will rebound. San D will make the playoffs. NE is ranked first in total offense and defense in the NFL. That loss should not be held against them, NE just flat out outplayed them. Green Bay should. When those lines play better San D will be fine. Then Norv will ef everything up.A long winded IMO of course.
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Giving Lt the ball 30 times instead of 24 or 22 times while his offensive line is getting pushed back at will and the opposing defense is playing behind the line of scrimmage would do nothing for the chargers but cost them more yards imo. Lt is getting shit yards because he is getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Not to mention you cant pass the ball if you have no time. Rivers is in the same situation Brady was last year. Wr's to slow to create seperation allowing people to play them man to man and not worry about the big play. Giving the ball to LT 30 times when his line is playing the way it is would be a bad idea. The receptions point is a solid one, but as you saw yesterday Rivers has trouble getting him the ball under pressure. Not to mention if you are focusing a teams success on one player you are screwed.
The chargers problems start on the offensive line. Before people get into the coaching they should focus on the horrid offensive line play, the poor run defense, and the secondary that can be passed on at will. Turner is a bad coach, but FAR from the only problem with this team. The secondary issue is old. It sucked last year to. They did nothing to sure it up.
Don't blame the chargers loss to the pats of the world on coaching. The NE offensive line was manhandling the chargers line. The NE defensive line was playing behind the chargers offensive line and penetrating at will. The secondary was subjected to an air raid, and the run d was exposed when they couldn't stack the box due to the shit secondary. In San D's scheme offensive and defensive line play are imperative. They play bad, the team cant operate. Last year the pats and the colts where not as good as they are now. Chargers turned over there staff and did nothing to improve, while the other afc big boys did everything they could to improve.
Chargers have the talent, and they will rebound. San D will make the playoffs. NE is ranked first in total offense and defense in the NFL. That loss should not be held against them, NE just flat out outplayed them. Green Bay should. When those lines play better San D will be fine. Then Norv will ef everything up.A long winded IMO of course.
I disagree. Barry Sanders used to carry the ball 10, 15, 20 times for a modest gain and then he'd break the big one. LT is a great back like Sanders. Eventually the great ones break long runs, especially in the 4th quarter.
The passing game was working for the Chargers. The receivers were catching everything and Rivers set a team record for consecutive completions in the first half.
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I don't buy that one bit. The media tried to sell that same line of garbage when he went to Washington and then again when he went to Oakland and now to San Diego.
Troy Aikman had one of the best offensive lines we've seen in this modern era of football and he also had Emmitt & Irvin. Even Emmitt admits that a "lot" of teams would've had success running behind the line that blocked for him all those years.
Norv Turner deserves pretty close to zero credit for that.
You might be correct but Troy Aikman does give him a lot of credit:
Troy,
I know that you have had a great number of people influence your life, but if you could pinpoint one person that has had a great impact on your playing career, who would that be?
Thank you for your time,
Mike Schmidt
Answer:
It's always difficult when you try and single people out because there have been so many people that have influenced my career over the years. As I mentioned at my retirement press conference, I was fortunate to have been coached by outstanding coaches throughout my athletic career. However, if I had to pick one that had the biggest influence on me, I would say Norv Turner.
Norv joined the Cowboys in 1991, my third year in the league. We became friends almost instantly, but there was more to his influence on me than our friendship. Norv is an outstanding football coach and I was at a point in my career that I was really looking for someone to give me direction. Norv not only provided that direction for me, but he provided it for our entire offensive football team. I have said many times that I don't believe we would have won one Super Bowl, let alone three, if it hadn't of been for Norv Turner's arrival in Dallas.
Norv is currently the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers and I know that he will do a great job for their organization, just like he did for the Dallas Cowboys and the Washington Redskins.
Sincerely,
Troy Aikman
http://www.aikman.com/w_ask.shtml
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I disagree. Barry Sanders used to carry the ball 10, 15, 20 times for a modest gain and then he'd break the big one. LT is a great back like Sanders. Eventually the great ones break long runs, especially in the 4th quarter.
The passing game was working for the Chargers. The receivers were catching everything and Rivers set a team record for consecutive completions in the first half.
Imo this makes no sense when the offensive line is not playing effective. Btw Sanders was great and did eventually break a big one , but what did that lead the lions to accomplishing while he played?
24 carry's for no yards is a long way away from 10 carries then breaking a big one. Giving the ball to LT thirty times when he is getting 2 or three yards per carry in hopes of him cracking off something is not a good game plan imo.
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Imo this makes no sense when the offensive line is not playing effective. Btw Sanders was great and did eventually break a big one , but what did that lead the lions to accomplishing while he played?
24 carry's for no yards is a long way away from 10 carries then breaking a big one. Giving the ball to LT thirty times when he is getting 2 or three yards per carry in hopes of him cracking off something is not a good game plan imo.
I see your point. I am saying that the Chargers abandoned the run too early. Turner rode Rivers's hot streak to a third quarter lead and he kept riding his arm into the 4th even after the GB defense clamped down on the passing game.
As for Sanders, he never had the line that LT has. But he was able to carry the Lions into the playoffs a couple of times. I think they had a couple of 12-4 seasons.
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I see your point. I am saying that the Chargers abandoned the run too early. Turner rode Rivers's hot streak to a third quarter lead and he kept riding his arm into the 4th even after the GB defense clamped down on the passing game.
As for Sanders, he never had the line that LT has. But he was able to carry the Lions into the playoffs a couple of times. I think they had a couple of 12-4 seasons.
My point exactly. If that line is playing to there potential ala last year , we don't have this discussion right now. I know exactly what you are saying. You are correct on all fronts. I jus think the lines need to play better and all this coaching talk goes away.
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Giving Lt the ball 30 times instead of 24 or 22 times while his offensive line is getting pushed back at will and the opposing defense is playing behind the line of scrimmage would do nothing for the chargers but cost them more yards imo. Lt is getting shit yards because he is getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Not to mention you cant pass the ball if you have no time. Rivers is in the same situation Brady was last year. Wr's to slow to create seperation allowing people to play them man to man and not worry about the big play. Giving the ball to LT 30 times when his line is playing the way it is would be a bad idea. The receptions point is a solid one, but as you saw yesterday Rivers has trouble getting him the ball under pressure. Not to mention if you are focusing a teams success on one player you are screwed.
The chargers problems start on the offensive line. Before people get into the coaching they should focus on the horrid offensive line play, the poor run defense, and the secondary that can be passed on at will. Turner is a bad coach, but FAR from the only problem with this team. The secondary issue is old. It sucked last year to. They did nothing to sure it up.
Don't blame the chargers loss to the pats of the world on coaching. The NE offensive line was manhandling the chargers line. The NE defensive line was playing behind the chargers offensive line and penetrating at will. The secondary was subjected to an air raid, and the run d was exposed when they couldn't stack the box due to the shit secondary. In San D's scheme offensive and defensive line play are imperative. They play bad, the team cant operate. Last year the pats and the colts where not as good as they are now. Chargers turned over there staff and did nothing to improve, while the other afc big boys did everything they could to improve.
Chargers have the talent, and they will rebound. San D will make the playoffs. NE is ranked first in total offense and defense in the NFL. That loss should not be held against them, NE just flat out outplayed them. Green Bay should. When those lines play better San D will be fine. Then Norv will ef everything up.A long winded IMO of course.
Don't be so sure. I sense that team is imploding right now. Turner is not a good head coach.
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After he was open and Rivers missed him. Funny thing is River's threw a pass to LT later, and he tipped the ball up for an int. It is becoming pretty evident when LT is faced with adversity he is not "classy" at all. Not so tough to be all class when everyone is licking your balls and you are winning all the time. A true measure of class is how you react when things are not going well. Crying at the podium and going apeshit on you're qb during a game ain't class. Thats brat ;)
Btw I would take LT on my team in a second. The guy is insanely talented.
you must have missed it when LT and Rivers bumped knuckles on the sidelines soon after...
both are competitive and play at an elite level, being frustrated and not winning is normal.
i dont consider what LT did as going "apeshit".
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Rivers walked over to LT and bumped his knuckles while LT was sitting down sulking. The exchange was heated enough for a fellow teamate to step in. Both Rivers and the other player had the "oh come on" look on there faces. Lt is a team leader and what he did lacked class.
Plenty of players face adversity and dont win. I dont see them yelling at there qb on the sidelines tho. Is this a big deal? No it is not at all. The fact is LT is a crybaby when things dont go his way. This is not the first time he has acted like a baby. Dont make him any less of a player. He needs to stop telling us how much class he has, and show it during the tough times. Just saying.
Post the video of what happened. Its pretty clear.
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Rivers walked over to LT and bumped his knuckles while LT was sitting down sulking.
He needs to stop telling us how much class he has, and show it during the tough times. Just saying.
yes he bumped knuckles with Rivers indicating it was frustration and it was nothing personal. i have had strong disagreements w/friends and gave indication that it was just a matter of opinion and nothing personal, either by a hand shake, tap on the shoulder or whatever. its no big deal.
LT has never said he himself had so much class, other people who know him other than what they see of him on tv do, like Marty and Gates. more so the multiple incidents you refer to regarding LT will have no bearing on his pears judging him as being classless.
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yes he bumped knuckles with Rivers indicating it was frustration and it was nothing personal. i have had strong disagreements w/friends and gave indication that it was just a matter of opinion and nothing personal, either by a hand shake, tap on the shoulder or whatever. its no big deal.
LT has never said he himself had so much class, other people who know him other than what they see of him on tv do, like Marty and Gates. more so the multiple incidents you refer to regarding LT will have no bearing on his pears judging him as being classless.
Last year after the pats game he said several times "you know I'm a classy guy" Deion sanders called him out on it.
Lt is a phenomenal back. All I'm saying is he is quite the crybaby when things don't go his way.
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Further evidence of Norv Turner's lack of leadership.
The guy is terrible.
I hate to see this happen to the players, but the organization is getting what it deserves...which is sad for the players.
agreed man they had one of them hard nosed coaches from the early days man they would have yelled "IF YOU TWO SCROTEM SMOKERS DONT KNOCK IT OFF RIGHT NOW IMA SHOVE A HOSE UP BOTH YER ASSES AND HAVE YOU GUYS PISSEN OUT OF HOLES YOU NEVER EVEN KNEW YOU HAD!" >:(
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How about the freakout by Dante Hall from the Falcons :o
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How about the freakout by Dante Hall from the Falcons :o
Didn't he get his ass kicked by a fellow player in the locker room?
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who are these falcons u speak of ???
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Didn't he get his ass kicked by a fellow player in the locker room?
Didn't hear about that,did he really gat his ass kicked?
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Didn't hear about that,did he really gat his ass kicked?
H / o let me see if I can find the link.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/24/ap/sportsline/main3292526.shtml
DeAngelo Hall faces "substantial discipline" that may include a suspension following his meltdown on the field and on the sideline against Carolina.
Hall's loss of composure on the field helped lead to the Atlanta Falcons' third straight loss. His tirade on the sideline could cost him a fine or a suspension...
Dante Hall is the kick returner for the Rams...was a Chief.
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Not everything is River's fault. The offensive line faced many eight in the box looks last year and was blowing guys off the line of scrimmage. LT was getting to the second level without being touched. This year, he is having to change course, cut back and isn't running downhill. What happened in one year? Turner is a BAD coach. After this year, he will be a QB coach for life.