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Man look at this savage sizedown Dennis Wolf put on everybody tonight... ;D
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In a fair world, Wolf wins the olympia tomorrow. he has the least flaws, most size and cuts of all the men onstage.
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In a fair world, Wolf wins the olympia tomorrow. he has the least flaws, most size and cuts of all the men onstage.
I wouldnt say he has the least flaws.. but he wins on size and conditioning for sure-
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Aahaha, David Henry looks like an oompa loompa next to Wolf.
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and he has no oil in him :o
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You really don't wanna have to stand next to this guy onstage if height is not one of your strong points.
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And here we are seeing the top 3, as the judges had it. ::)
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Mr O
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And I'm not pointing this out to say that he should win tomorrow night but I mean, he must be getting close to being that guy. I just wonder how much more detail he can get in there as he keeps improving. His back seems to have taken on a new dimension this time around. From top to bottom in that back double bi, you can count what seem to be no less than 4 tiers of muscle. And most dramatic are the comparisons of he and Ronnie side by side. Ronnie looks no less than narrow right here. The way Ronnie hits that shot isn't good, nor is the way he hits his side shots next to Dennis, because Dennis' posing style completely highlights width.
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Wow, Dennis just destroys Ronnie in that last pic.
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Wolf has to be 6ft or 6ft 1 i dont think he is 5 11.
if he won i wouldnt complain.
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Dennis pretty much destroyed Ronnie in every shot. I mean he makes him look like a mess in some of these. But look at Dexter over there. Dennis has one wicked midsection but he still isn't beating Dexter in this shot.
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Dennis takes Ronnie here too. Everybody else as well. That's one bad-ass back double bi. Count the layers of muscle from top to bottom. It's just stacked up on top of itself.
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Dennis has one wicked midsection but he still isn't beating Dexter in this shot.
Eh, I dunno, Wolf's quads are bigger and more detailed. Plus, Dexter is pulling a leg back, totally fucking up that shot.
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Wolf would make a great champ.. Awesome most muscular, he presents like a winner. I too thought Ronnie was made to look small (watched on the bb.com webcast).
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Killin' Ronnie here. You know, it's damn good for Victor that he wasn't compared with Dennis. Dennis would have eaten him alive in this shot. If Victor Martinez has a bad pose, it's the front lat spread. His pecs look jumbled up and he's got that "old man stance" with his legs. I bet it really would have complicated things for them if they'd have had to look at them side by side. I think that if they put him in the top six he needs to go stand next to Victor then they'll really have a tough decision.
Did I miss where he was put next to Victor? I don't think it ever happened.
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I agree. Wolf or Dexter should win.
Looking at the callouts though, they will probably put Ronnie ahead of Dennis. A disgrace of monumental proportions if that happens.
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Dennis pretty much destroyed Ronnie in every shot. I mean he makes him look like a mess in some of these. But look at Dexter over there. Dennis has one wicked midsection but he still isn't beating Dexter in this shot.
He does, look closely, Dexters waist tapers the wrong way (slightly) as you go up towards the lats. Not to mention Wolf's superior quad sweep.
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Killin' Ronnie here. And if Victor Martinez has a bad pose, it's the front lat spread. His pecs look jumbled up and he's got that "old man stance" with his legs.
Look at Victor's rear poses, looks like he is wearing a diaper with those short legs.
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Imagine how big Dexter's head would get if he won the Olympia, too.
FIX UR BROKEN CAMERA KID
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Dexter's legs at this show do seem smaller than they've been in prior showings.
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You know, I'm gonna say it again for emphasis. I think that before they give Victor Martinez second, they should be required to stand him next to Dennis Wolf. I don't think the judging will have been completed fairly until that's been done.
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Just look at this.
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;D ;D
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Definately Wolf should be Mr. Olympia...a new "era" in bodybuilding will begin with his victory.....Ronnie Will always be remembered as the best Bodybuilder ever.
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...look at this!
You're tellin' me Dennis Wolf is about to get 5th, 6th, or 7th place? We seriously need to see him hit some shots next to Martinez.
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And I do wonder what effect his being German and so fair-complected will have on the IFBB's wanting to place him first, as others have already been pointing out. It's kinda creepy in a way. Yes, Hitler's German ideal can be seen as close to winning the Mr. Olympia and that almost seems blasphemous in a way. Right at the time that Jay's all-American thing is working so well for everyone at the top using him to market the sport. Hell I wonder what Jay and Dennis Wolf would look like stood next to one another. ???
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DJ,
You mean Wolf 1st or 5th ?? ???
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Give the man his motha fukking Sandow! He deserves it. Not next year, not in 2 years. NOW! WOLF IS KILLING IT. Ronnie should retire. It makes me sad watching him do this. Cutler has done the best he could. He has limited genetics.
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Doubt it will happen, but I personally think Wolfe wins this.
At the very least, he should be above Ronnie. There is *no way* Ronnie beats him. None.
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really shitty that he didnt get the first callout.
messed up judging..
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True he should win!
he beats a weak version of Coleman, and looks very good standing next to Cutler and Martinez. He should get 3rd AT LEAST!!
Jay Cutler
Victor Martinez
Dennis Wolf
Dexter Jackson
Melvin Anthony
Gustavo Badell
I have him first, but the above is more likely. I didn't know where to place Coleman in the above, maybe 2nd or maybe 5th depending on gifts and on his name alone, he will be in top 6.
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really shitty that he didnt get the first callout.
messed up judging..
Men's Prejudging's callouts:
1st
Dexter Jackson
Victor Martinez
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
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2nd
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Melvin Anthony
Silvio Samuel
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3rd
David Henry
Ronny Rockell
Gustavo Badell
Johnny Jackson
Silvio Samuel
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4th
Dennis Wolf
Dexter Jackson
Melvin Anthony
Ronnie Coleman
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5th
Melvin Anthony
Dexter Jackson
Jay Cutler
Victor Martinez
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6th
Hidetada Yamagishi （山岸）
Bill Willmore
Johnny Jackson
Toney Freeman
Darrem Charles
Will Harris
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7th
Bill Willmore
Markus Ruhl
Paco Bautista
Marcus Haley
Darrem Charles
Will Harris
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8th
Quincy Taylor
Sergey Shelestov
Mark Dugdale
Vince Taylor
Markus Ruhl
Eddie Abbew
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9th
Toney Freeman
Ronnie Rockell
Hidetada Yamagishi （山岸）
Will Harris
Quincy Taylor
Darrem Charles
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10th
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Gustavo Badell
Silvio Samuel
Johnny Jackson
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11th
Jay Cutler
Ronnie Coleman
Victor Martinez
Dexter Jackson
Melvin Anthony
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Dennis "Howl at the Moon" Wolf: 2007 Mr. Olympia. Or so I wish.
That cat deserves it, but of course the judges won't see it. :(
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let's riot on this shit. it's obvious the man's destroying those monkeys.
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Definately Wolf should be Mr. Olympia...a new "era" in bodybuilding will begin with his victory.....Ronnie Will always be remembered as the best Bodybuilder ever.
new era my ass
if wolf wins he'll hire chad and gain another 25lbs by next year
he'll probably end up 300lbs on stage in the next few years if he's in the top three...the judges want size...nothing will change
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Wolf is numero uno.
But Wolf will not win this show, surely Cutler will do it. Why? Judges... The rest of the planet knows Wolf is the best obodybuilder on stage. But how many comparations between Cutler, Martinez and Wolf ??? = 0 NO ONE
Fair judgement...
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agreed
wolf is clearly the best man on stage.
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new era my ass
if wolf wins he'll hire chad and gain another 25lbs by next year
he'll probably end up 300lbs on stage in the next few years if he's in the top three...the judges want size...nothing will change
Ok ::) ::) ::) how does 300lbs without gut and with small waist increase sounds like? Bingo, perfect. Thats the new era im talking about smartass
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;D
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Just look at this.
DMAN Ronnie is getting owned in the 1/4 turn holy shit ! man Ronnie looks real bad next to a relative unknown ! if they put Ronnie above Wolf there is something majorly wrong !
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wolfe has a smaller waist then dexter and outweighs him by alot. if he keeps his gains slow and doesnt let his waist get big, then he will set the new standard like yates and coleman did.
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I sure hope Wolf gets top 6 so we can see him posedown with the rest of the guys...and what if he gets a smidgeon better before the finals tonight? :o
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You know they re afraid to put wolf next to jay, cause they know he would destroy cut's. Thats how it work they want an white american to win this year. I dont have another explenation. do you?
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You know they re afraid to put wolf next to jay, cause they know he would destroy cut's. Thats how it work they want an white american to win this year. I dont have another explenation. do you?
All I know is that if Wolf makes the posedown, he should make a b-line for Jay and just crush his ass. You know how crazy the cameras will be going for that? 8)
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All I know is that if Wolf makes the posedown, he should make a b-line for Jay and just crush his ass. You know how crazy the cameras will be going for that? 8)
You've proven your point, Wolf is the class of the Olympia this year.
Now what are you going to say when he's robbed and finishes 4-8?
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;D
wolf is photoshopped at 8 ft tall in that picture hahaa
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if wolfe wins, he could finally bridge that gap between size and symmetry and make it acceptable to be under 270 and win the olympia.
he has all of his bodyparts and has veins. based on that alone, he should knockout cutler and coleman.
plus he's white, and whites are awesome.
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You've proven your point, Wolf is the class of the Olympia this year.
Now what are you going to say when he's robbed and finishes 4-8?
I'm gonna say I was expecting for it to happen. And I'm not necessarily gonna be mad about it, because honestly, I'd have a hard time if I were them electing him winner here as well. I mean, how do they know how this guy's gonna act if they give it to him? They've gotta know you know how to handle yourself in front of the public and are gonna be there to help them make money and keep everything kosher. To me, it would seem that Wolf remains "uninitiated" in the upper echelon of professional bodybuilders. You know how hard it must be for a big German guy like him to get over in America? Over the next year, Wolf is gonna have to position himself alot better within the industry than what he has, but it shouldn't be that hard for him to after this with all the interest this showing will generate for him. But he's foreign...clearly a gym rat, and probably so hardcore that he hasn't spent much time working on all the connections/networking that Jay has spent his entire life cultivating. Jay was in the inner circle from day one because Ed Connors found him young. Dennis Wolf actually has quite a bit of professional refinement to acquire before he could be considered for the Olympia title. The judges really are in a bind here. I just think it's interesting, this whole thing.
Think about how hard German Gunter Schlierkamp had to work at his professional refinement...plus Gunter had that million-dollar smile that endeared him to most that saw him. Dennis Wolf doesn't necessarily have that going for him. It's kinda like I was saying earlier about Kai Greene for Mr. Olympia. How's that gonna happen, regardless of his physique?
You know I've been reading TONS of old Flex and Ironman magazines from back in the day, ranging from the early 80's to the early 90's...and one thing that was DEFINITELY highlighted to all the readers in article after article was the utmost importance of what it meant to be a professional bodybuilder in terms of it being a BUSINESS, and your ability to make it as a pro and place well based on your marketability and professional business savvy. The characters that made it back then had all forged out their own well-defined identities, and they really spent alot of time "playing the game." Get on YouTube and listen to the soundbytes they gave...all the shit-talking they did back then didn't bring into play the personal lives of everyone involved. You know it took the early online disputes of Titus, Kamali and Prince to really lower the bar for that stuff, making the whole sport look bad. I mean Prince would just say anything about anyone. I remember McGough did what he could in the beginning to try to tell the guys to stop that shit but it was out of his hands after just a little bit....But like I was saying, the early guys played along and worked very hard to portray bodybuilding as a very virtuous pursuit. You just don't have that anymore. With the proliferation of the internet, I think people just gave up trying to convince everyone into thinking it's all about strict diet, visualization and training, but I'd like to think that there ARE still ways to promote the sport in a somewhat realistic and still motivating way.
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I'm gonna say I was expecting for it to happen. And I'm not necessarily gonna be mad about it, because honestly, I'd have a hard time if I were them electing him winner here as well. I mean, how do they know how this guy's gonna act if they give it to him? They've gotta know you know how to handle yourself in front of the public and are gonna be there to help them make money and keep everything kosher. To me, it would seem that Wolf remains "uninitiated" in the upper echelon of professional bodybuilders. You know how hard it must be for a big German guy like him to get over in America? Over the next year, Wolf is gonna have to position himself alot better within the industry than what he has, but it shouldn't be that hard for him to after this with all the interest this showing will generate for him. But he's foreign...clearly a gym rat, and probably so hardcore that he hasn't spent much time working on all the connections/networking that Jay has spent his entire life cultivating. Jay was in the inner circle from day one because Ed Connors found him young. Dennis Wolf actually has quite a bit of professional refinement to acquire before he could be considered for the Olympia title. The judges really are in a bind here. I just think it's interesting, this whole thing.
Think about how hard German Gunter Schlierkamp had to work at his professional refinement...plus Gunter had that million-dollar smile that endeared him to most that saw him. Dennis Wolf doesn't necessarily have that going for him. It's kinda like I was saying earlier about Kai Greene for Mr. Olympia. How's that gonna happen, regardless of his physique?
You know I've been reading TONS of old Flex and Ironman magazines from back in the day, ranging from the early 80's to the early 90's...and one thing that was DEFINITELY highlighted to all the readers in article after article was the utmost importance of what it meant to be a professional bodybuilder in terms of it being a BUSINESS, and your ability to make it as a pro and place well based on your marketability and professional business savvy. The characters that made it back then had all cultivated their own images and "played the game." They played along and worked very hard to portray bodybuilding as a very virtuous pursuit. You just don't have that anymore. With the proliferation of the internet, I think people just gave up trying to convince everyone into thinking it's all about strict diet, visualization and training, but I'd like to think that there ARE still ways to promote the sport in a somewhat realistic and still motivating way.
Interesting and clearly you put a lot of thought into your answer but all I see you saying is that image matters more than the physique that is presented on stage. At least to me that's ridiculous.
No matter how complete the package you display you can't win until you cultivate the proper image.
BTW, from all I've seen and read of Wolf he's extremely likable.
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Interesting and clearly you put a lot of thought into your answer but all I see you saying is that image matters more than the physique that is presented on stage. At least to me that's ridiculous.
No matter how complete the package you display you can't win until you cultivate the proper image.
BTW, from all I've seen and read of Wolf he's extremely likable.
Well he may not be very far from marketable, I mean, he has a clean slate in terms of industry beefs, he's kept to himself...but the "powers that be" still don't KNOW him...I still have a firm belief that a clean physique will reflect a clean life so maybe he's not so far off. But for him to just step in right now where he is and win the title is a little out of the question if you ask me, so then you get them keeping him from being compared to the guys that they know politically fit in the top spots.
I know that idealistically the best physique should win, but man on this level there's just a HUGE responsibility that goes with the title. I mean how hard would it be for the federal government to shut the whole thing down if the industry let it's players do whatever and spent no time somewhat policing it's own scene? They would pull the plug in a minute. It's already nearly inconceivable that they don't just arrest every guy that steps on stage with the current public perception of what bodybuilding must undeniably entail at this point.
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You really don't wanna have to stand next to this guy onstage if height is not one of your strong points.
They all look like a bunch of footstools next to Wolf. Why compare him to midgets anyway? What's the point?
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Dennis Wolf and Markus Ruhl should be fighting for 1 and 2 place!
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Dennis Wolf and Markus Ruhl should be fighting for 1 and 2 place!
If Ruhl is gh15 then he'd say Wolf should place ahead of him. Ha ha.
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It's already nearly inconceivable that they don't just arrest every guy that steps on stage with the current public perception of what bodybuilding must undeniably entail at this point.
Right, it's just a matter of time.
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Hey I wanna know what justified this callout right there at the very end:
10th
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Gustavo Badell
Silvio Samuel
Johnny Jackson
That must have been them trying to show the audience that they thought Dennis wasn't that good. Which is bullshit after what they'd just gotten through witnessing when Wolf stood next to Coleman. Because if anything they should have made the last callout involving Wolf with Victor Martinez, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson.
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Hey I wanna know what justified this callout right there at the very end:
10th
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Gustavo Badell
Silvio Samuel
Johnny Jackson
That must have been them trying to show the audience that they thought Dennis wasn't that good. Which is bullshit after what they'd just gotten through witnessing when Wolf stood next to Coleman. Because if anything they should have made the last callout involving Wolf with Victor Martinez, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson.
That's the judges way of saying they have Wolf in 6th, which is bullshit given the callout where he destroyed Ronnie and Melvin.
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wolfe is new to the scene.. he wont place high due to "paying his dues" which is bs
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If you go to the photo thread at Bodybuilding.com (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4842863) you will find quite large images of the prejudging. With that lighting it was very difficult to look really cut up. Dennis, Vic, Dexter impressed. Jay disappoints especially in the abs. Ronnie shouldn't be top 5 as his injuries spoil his physique.
Seems to me just about everyone came in too heavy. Even Rockel who has great legs but looks a bit soft in the upper body. Silvio looked hard and Badel did, too. Vic probably has the best front double biceps with Dexter right up there.
Just from those photos I would say Dennis Wolf really takes the show. His double biceps from the back is probably the best shot from the Olympia so far. His posing of the double biceps from the front still looks a bit unaesthetic. Usually you can hit the same pose from the front or back with some poses but Dennis needs to flex his arms more and not try to look too wide from the front. Something not right there.
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wolfe is new to the scene.. he wont place high due to "paying his dues" which is bs
Yep....and then in 3 or 4 years when he has "paid his dues" but ISN'T AS GOOD ANYMORE he'll get top spots and some other young guy at his peak will be getting fucked :P
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The only thing these photos prove is that Melvin Anthony deserves 3rd after Jay and Gustavo.
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Definately Wolf should be Mr. Olympia...a new "era" in bodybuilding will begin with his victory.....Ronnie Will always be remembered as the best Bodybuilder ever.
Wolf is the new Mr.O
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I don't think that going into this thing Wolf had thought any farther than top 6, hence his not being able to go into full battle mode for the posedown. I think he was just happy to be there.
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bodybuilders are all midgets. At the Arnold last year I talked to Wolf briefly and I am at least an inch to two inches taller than he is. When you compare him to these other guys he dwarfs them. Can you imagine how tiny these guys are. I saw a lot of them and they were short
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Dennis is 6'1
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I don't think that going into this thing Wolf had thought any farther than top 6, hence his not being able to go into full battle mode for the posedown. I think he was just happy to be there.
WTF does "full battle mode" entail in a bodybuilding show, chemical warfare (carb-up farts), shock and awe (pose of cancer)?
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I truly don't understand this shit...clearly Wolfe bested everyone on that stage
why isn't he the winner?
Can someone who understands the scoring system explain to me on what grounds Culter beat Wolfe
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I truly don't understand this shit...clearly Wolfe bested everyone on that stage
why isn't he the winner?
Can someone who understands the scoring system explain to me on what grounds Culter beat Wolfe
I know everyone gets excited about Wolf and think he's the clear winner but he's NOT his placing was accurate although I would have placed him above Coleman
there are technically fours rounds in a competitive bodybuilding contest the muscularity round , symmetry round and the posing rounds 99% of the time contests are won in the prejudging ( muscularity & symmetry rounds ) only in extreme cases have contests been decided in the posing rounds ( Ronnie 2001 )
This is the gist of the judging criteria
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Now there is the symmetry round and the muscularity round but they are NOT judged as separate entities meaning that because Wolf has better ' symmetry ' than Cutler he would win this round , in every single pose and every single round they judge the above mentioned criteria , who is superior from the standpoint of muscular bulk , balanced development , muscular density and definition
The judges wont give the muscularity round to a really big muscular guy who is lacking in symmetry and conditioning on the same token they wont reward a guy in the symmetry rounds because he's symmetrical but lacks size and conditioning and density in each round they judge who has the best of all the criteria
Comparing Wolf to Cutler its looks like Wolf is leaps & bounds better but he's not , Wolf is clearly better in the symmetry department , well at least one aspect of it which is Wolf has a great natural structure , he has very wide clavicles and a naturally small waist & hips and small joints this very desirable in bodybuilding but on the flip side Wolf's balance & proportion are not as good as Jay Cutlers
Wolf's calves are to small for his quads throwing off his lower balance , you don't see this with Jay his calves are proportionate to his quads , Wolf has a relatively long torso judges can be critical of his you don't see this with Jay , Wolf's forearms aren't proportionate with his biceps/triceps throwing off the balance of his arms , Jay's are more evenly matched compared to Wolf
Now you move onto muscular bulk this is where Jay clearly separates himself from Wolf , Jay is huge he's about 5'9" and competes at 270-275 thats insanely big for someone his height , Wolf is 5'11" and 250 pounds so this is a clear advantage for Jay but not in all poses because because of Wolf's better symmetry he can appear just as big as Jay in some poses and others no
Density neither one of these guys are Dorian Yates in the density department which means how hard the muscles are , when a guy's really dense that means his conditioning is so good that even the intramuscular fat is removed from the muscles , so neither have a clear advantage in this part of the criteria
Conditioning , when all other things are equal conditioning or the lack there of will separate a winner from a loser , Ronnie Coleman won in 1998 because his hams & glutes are much sharper than Flex , Jay this past weekend has holding water he was a tad smooth at the prejudging however as it progressed his conditioning improved slightly , Wolf's conditioning was good however he was the victim of to many contests this years and its really hard to peak more than once so the difference between their conditioning may be negligible
So Jay basically beat Wolf because he was bigger , better balanced is a tad more complete ( calves and forearms , lower lats ) and had good conditioning . can Wold beat Jay? absolutely he has the structure he looks great from all angles , he just needs to get some more size maybe 20 pounds he needs to improve his conditioning and needs to do a ton of deadlifts and calf raises he's young , still improving and if his drive is there he will be Mr Olympia and a multiple one at that ! he's still has room for improvement but he's doing damage already just wait until he hits his prime.
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Dennis is 6'1
Which would be about right. I am still a couple of inches taller. Way to go for the taller guys. Freeman and wolf. I also stood took a picture with freeman and he is legitimately six two so fibbing on his part there. Ronnie coleman was not and I repeat was not five ten.
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Someone needs to post that one pic Dennis and Jay being compared.
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Someone needs to post that one pic Dennis and Jay being compared.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172274.0;attach=200150;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172274.0;attach=200150;image)
Best picture ever
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172274.0;attach=200150;image)
seriously
the distinction between wolf and cutler in that pic is like a pic of a top flight pro bber compared to a junior mr orange county.
just compare the detail, separation and striations in the delts, arms, pecs, traps, quads, sweep in the quads, taper?
it's not even close. wolf absolutely dominates cutler.
the classiest thing cutler could do now is publically admonish the judges and present the mr o trophy to wolf.
this shit is worse than padilla getting ripped off in 1981. at least columbu had density on padilla. jay has nothing on dennis.
has to be the first time EVER the olympia has been given to one of the worst conditioned bbers in the contest. jay looked like a fucking marsmallow.
muscletech has corrupted the mr o and turned into a complete joke. fuck muscletech and the olympia.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172274.0;attach=200150;image)
That picture just blows my mind. The disparity is appalling.
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LOL the judges clearly have not gotten away with their muscletech payoffs hahahahahah
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That picture is very impressive, but it pisses me off to see it as that smooth as shit thing on the right won, and Wolf got 5th. I'm not hating on Jay, i just think that the whole judging system has hit a new low.
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Wow, Dennis just destroys Ronnie in that last pic.
you should have seen what happened when they stood wolf next to ronnie.
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why does everyone here act as if bodybuilding was a sport
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why does everyone here act as if bodybuilding was a sport
WHAT? I thought I've been watching some reality show
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172274.0;attach=200150;image)
Can someone write "owned" in the bottom of that pic ;D
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Wolf demolished and embarrased everyone on stage
Anyone who can't see that must have gotten diabetes from Celltech and then went blind
(http://lbnutrition.com/Catalog/nfoscomm/catalog/images/celltech7250.gif)
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Dennis takes Ronnie here too. Everybody else as well. That's one bad-ass back double bi. Count the layers of muscle from top to bottom. It's just stacked up on top of itself.
If there's one area that Wolf needs to bring up, it's lower lats.
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If there's one area that Wolf needs to bring up, it's lower lats.
Well then I guess it's hopeless since no one can change where their lat insertions are.... ::)
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If there's one area that Wolf needs to bring up, it's lower lats.
Like Dillett his back is a liability in the sense it doesn't have enough thickness for his frame , he has lot of width but lacks especially like you said in the lower lats and middle back thickness , there is room for improvement in his physique before he is winning the Olympia.
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Like Dillett his back is a liability in the sense it doesn't have enough thickness for his frame , he has lot of width but lacks especially like you said in the lower lats and middle back thickness , there is room for improvement in his physique before he is winning the Olympia.
Which is why I never specifically called for him to be placed first in this show. Let him keep improving for one more year with all eyes on him and then we'll know if he's truly ready. I saw another shot of Victor from the show from the back by chance this morning and it really did alot to remind me of the fundamental core thickness that Dennis still lacks that still leaves something to be desired particularly in his rear standing relaxed pose. I would never give Victor the crown ever but he was in that lineup to highlight what Dennis still lacked for me.
BTW, has anyone ever heard Dennis talk about winning the Olympia? Because that's the other thing, I still need to be sure Dennis even sees himself as being Mr. Olympia.
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I just watched the Olympia on BB.com and I may not know much about the judging but Wofl looked great to me. Cutler is just "to big". I know it is a size competition these days but I have to hand it to Wolf.
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It wasn't just my imagination!
Wolf should have won. You could make a reasonable argument that Jay, Victor, and Ronnie should have placed ahead of him, but all four were so close it could really have gone to any of them. Personally, I prefer Wolf's physique the most out of all four. The finals were closer than the prejudging but during the prejudging I think the ONLY one who legitimately could have beaten Wolf would have been Victor. By the finals, Ronnie and Jay had improved and I think Wolf may have been a tad less sharp, making it closer.
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Hair.........tie
Traps.......Wolf
Delts........Wolf
Chest.......Wolf
Bi-tri........Wolf
Abs..........tie
Forearms...tie
Quads.......Jay
Calves.......Jay
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Which is why I never specifically called for him to be placed first in this show. Let him keep improving for one more year with all eyes on him and then we'll know if he's truly ready. I saw another shot of Victor from the show from the back by chance this morning and it really did alot to remind me of the fundamental core thickness that Dennis still lacks that still leaves something to be desired particularly in his rear standing relaxed pose. I would never give Victor the crown ever but he was in that lineup to highlight what Dennis still lacked for me.
BTW, has anyone ever heard Dennis talk about winning the Olympia? Because that's the other thing, I still need to be sure Dennis even sees himself as being Mr. Olympia.
i'm sure wolf will work very hard to convince you that he wants to be mr o. ::)
it really is very simple. the mr o is a CONTEST, open to the top pro bbers to compete on stage in their best shape to determine who among them is the best ON THE NIGHT.
it's not a contest to dtermine the perfect human being (as if jay comes close). it is a contest to determine who presents the best physique ON THE NIGHT.
jay didn't and wolf did.
it really is that simple.
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It wasn't just my imagination!
Wolf should have won. You could make a reasonable argument that Jay, Victor, and Ronnie should have placed ahead of him, but all four were so close it could really have gone to any of them. Personally, I prefer Wolf's physique the most out of all four. The finals were closer than the prejudging but during the prejudging I think the ONLY one who legitimately could have beaten Wolf would have been Victor. By the finals, Ronnie and Jay had improved and I think Wolf may have been a tad less sharp, making it closer.
No its not your imagination just your lack of understanding on how bodybuilding is judged ! Wolf wasn't winning that show like many other people on this subject you're basing your opinion that he should have won on personal preference , Wolf has all the tools to be Mr Olympia however he needs improvements .
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Top-bottom:
Hair.........tie
Traps.......Wolf
Delts........Wolf
Chest.......Wolf
Bi-tri........Wolf
Abs..........tie
Forearms...tie
Quads.......Jay
Calves.......Jay
i'd give jay calves and that's it.
quads? check again and look for sweep and definition all the way up to the hips, sartorious - all wolf.
abs? well if it's a contest to see who has blockier abs than a powerlifter, then jay. if it's about having a tight cut up midsection then it's wolf (i don't recall wolf ever being referred to as the fridge).