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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2007, 12:22:29 PM »
Interesting and clearly you put a lot of thought into your answer but all I see you saying is that image matters more than the physique that is presented on stage. At least to me that's ridiculous.

No matter how complete the package you display you can't win until you cultivate the proper image.

BTW, from all I've seen and read of Wolf he's extremely likable.

Well he may not be very far from marketable, I mean, he has a clean slate in terms of industry beefs, he's kept to himself...but the "powers that be" still don't KNOW him...I still have a firm belief that a clean physique will reflect a clean life so maybe he's not so far off.  But for him to just step in right now where he is and win the title is a little out of the question if you ask me, so then you get them keeping him from being compared to the guys that they know politically fit in the top spots.   

I know that idealistically the best physique should win, but man on this level there's just a HUGE responsibility that goes with the title.  I mean how hard would it be for the federal government to shut the whole thing down if the industry let it's players do whatever and spent no time somewhat policing it's own scene?  They would pull the plug in a minute.  It's already nearly inconceivable that they don't just arrest every guy that steps on stage with the current public perception of what bodybuilding must undeniably entail at this point.   

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2007, 12:48:33 PM »
You really don't wanna have to stand next to this guy onstage if height is not one of your strong points. 


They all look like a bunch of footstools next to Wolf.  Why compare him to midgets anyway?   What's the point?

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2007, 01:17:12 PM »
Dennis Wolf and Markus Ruhl should be fighting for 1 and 2 place!
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2007, 01:19:32 PM »
Dennis Wolf and Markus Ruhl should be fighting for 1 and 2 place!

If Ruhl is gh15 then he'd say Wolf should place ahead of him.  Ha ha. 

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2007, 01:19:38 PM »
It's already nearly inconceivable that they don't just arrest every guy that steps on stage with the current public perception of what bodybuilding must undeniably entail at this point.   

Right, it's just a matter of time.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2007, 01:25:24 PM »
Hey I wanna know what justified this callout right there at the very end:

10th
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Gustavo Badell
Silvio Samuel
Johnny Jackson

That must have been them trying to show the audience that they thought Dennis wasn't that good.  Which is bullshit after what they'd just gotten through witnessing when Wolf stood next to Coleman.  Because if anything they should have made the last callout involving Wolf with Victor Martinez, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson. 

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2007, 01:29:13 PM »
Hey I wanna know what justified this callout right there at the very end:

10th
Dennis Wolf
David Henry
Gustavo Badell
Silvio Samuel
Johnny Jackson

That must have been them trying to show the audience that they thought Dennis wasn't that good.  Which is bullshit after what they'd just gotten through witnessing when Wolf stood next to Coleman.  Because if anything they should have made the last callout involving Wolf with Victor Martinez, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson. 


That's the judges way of saying they have Wolf in 6th, which is bullshit given the callout where he destroyed Ronnie and Melvin.
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2007, 05:09:10 PM »
wolfe is new to the scene..  he wont place high due to "paying his dues" which is bs
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2007, 05:27:28 PM »
If you go to the photo thread at Bodybuilding.com (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4842863) you will find quite large images of the prejudging. With that lighting it was very difficult to look really cut up. Dennis, Vic, Dexter impressed. Jay disappoints especially in the abs. Ronnie shouldn't be top 5 as his injuries spoil his physique.

Seems to me just about everyone came in too heavy. Even Rockel who has great legs but looks a bit soft in the upper body. Silvio looked hard and Badel did, too. Vic probably has the best front double biceps with Dexter right up there.

Just from those photos I would say Dennis Wolf really takes the show. His double biceps from the back is probably the best shot from the Olympia so far. His posing of the double biceps from the front still looks a bit unaesthetic. Usually you can hit the same pose from the front or back with some poses but Dennis needs to flex his arms more and not try to look too wide from the front. Something not right there.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2007, 06:29:43 PM »
wolfe is new to the scene..  he wont place high due to "paying his dues" which is bs

Yep....and then in 3 or 4 years when he has "paid his dues" but ISN'T AS GOOD ANYMORE he'll get top spots and some other young guy at his peak will be getting fucked :P

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2007, 06:35:28 PM »
The only thing these photos prove is that Melvin Anthony deserves 3rd after Jay and Gustavo.
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2007, 06:53:07 PM »
Definately Wolf should be Mr. Olympia...a new "era" in bodybuilding will begin with his victory.....Ronnie Will always be remembered as the best Bodybuilder ever.

Wolf is the new Mr.O

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2007, 02:17:40 PM »
I don't think that going into this thing Wolf had thought any farther than top 6, hence his not being able to go into full battle mode for the posedown. I think he was just happy to be there.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2007, 02:26:14 PM »
bodybuilders are all midgets.  At the Arnold last year I talked to Wolf briefly and I am at least an inch to two inches taller than he is.  When you compare him to these other guys he dwarfs them.  Can you imagine how tiny these guys are.  I saw a lot of them and they were short
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2007, 02:33:23 PM »
Dennis is 6'1

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2007, 02:38:07 PM »
I don't think that going into this thing Wolf had thought any farther than top 6, hence his not being able to go into full battle mode for the posedown. I think he was just happy to be there.

WTF does "full battle mode" entail in a bodybuilding show, chemical warfare (carb-up farts), shock and awe (pose of cancer)?

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2007, 02:42:28 PM »
I truly don't understand this shit...clearly Wolfe bested everyone on that stage

why isn't he the winner?

Can someone who understands the scoring system explain to me on what grounds Culter beat Wolfe

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2007, 03:53:12 PM »
I truly don't understand this shit...clearly Wolfe bested everyone on that stage

why isn't he the winner?

Can someone who understands the scoring system explain to me on what grounds Culter beat Wolfe


I know everyone gets excited about Wolf and think he's the clear winner but he's NOT his placing was accurate although I would have placed him above Coleman

there are technically fours rounds in a competitive bodybuilding contest the muscularity round , symmetry round and the posing rounds 99% of the time contests are won in the prejudging ( muscularity & symmetry rounds ) only in extreme cases have contests been decided in the posing rounds ( Ronnie 2001 )

This is the gist of the judging criteria

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Now there is the symmetry round and the muscularity round but they are NOT judged as separate entities meaning that because Wolf has better ' symmetry ' than Cutler he would win this round , in every single pose and every single round they judge the above mentioned criteria , who is superior from the standpoint of muscular bulk , balanced development , muscular density and definition

The judges wont give the muscularity round to a really big muscular guy who is lacking in symmetry and conditioning on the same token they wont reward a guy in the symmetry rounds because he's symmetrical but lacks size and conditioning and density in each round they judge who has the best of all the criteria

Comparing Wolf to Cutler its looks like Wolf is leaps & bounds better but he's not , Wolf is clearly better in the symmetry department , well at least one aspect of it which is Wolf has a great natural structure , he has very wide clavicles and a naturally small waist & hips and small joints this very desirable in bodybuilding but on the flip side Wolf's balance & proportion are not as good as Jay Cutlers

Wolf's calves are to small for his quads throwing off his lower balance , you don't see this with Jay his calves are proportionate to his quads , Wolf has a relatively long torso judges can be critical of his you don't see this with Jay , Wolf's forearms aren't proportionate with his biceps/triceps throwing off the balance of his arms , Jay's are more evenly matched compared to Wolf 

Now you move onto muscular bulk this is where Jay clearly separates himself from Wolf ,  Jay is huge he's about 5'9" and competes at 270-275 thats insanely big for someone his height , Wolf is 5'11" and 250 pounds so this is a clear advantage for Jay but not in all poses because because of Wolf's better symmetry he can appear just as big as Jay in some poses and others no

Density neither one of these guys are Dorian Yates in the density department which means how hard the muscles are , when a guy's really dense that means his conditioning is so good that even the intramuscular fat is removed from the muscles , so neither have a clear advantage in this part of the criteria

Conditioning , when all other things are equal conditioning or the lack there of will separate a winner from a loser , Ronnie Coleman won in 1998 because his hams & glutes are much sharper than Flex , Jay this past weekend has holding water he was a tad smooth at the prejudging however as it progressed his conditioning improved slightly , Wolf's conditioning was good however he was the victim of to many contests this years and its really hard to peak more than once so the difference between their conditioning may be negligible

So Jay basically beat Wolf because he was bigger , better balanced is a tad more complete ( calves and forearms , lower lats ) and had good conditioning . can Wold beat Jay? absolutely he has the structure he looks great from all angles , he just needs to get some more size maybe 20 pounds he needs to improve his conditioning and needs to do a ton of deadlifts and calf raises he's young , still improving and if his drive is there he will be Mr Olympia and a multiple one at that ! he's still has room for improvement but he's doing damage already just wait until he hits his prime.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2007, 07:21:58 PM »
Dennis is 6'1

Which would be about right.  I am still a couple of inches taller.  Way to go for the taller guys.  Freeman and wolf.  I also stood took a picture with freeman and he is legitimately six two so fibbing on his part there.  Ronnie coleman was not and I repeat was not five ten.
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2007, 07:33:14 PM »
Someone needs to post that one pic Dennis and Jay being compared.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2007, 07:37:24 PM »
Someone needs to post that one pic Dennis and Jay being compared.
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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2007, 02:18:55 AM »


seriously

the distinction between wolf and cutler in that pic is like a pic of a top flight pro bber compared to a junior mr orange county.

just compare the detail, separation and striations in the delts, arms, pecs, traps, quads, sweep in the quads, taper?

it's not even close. wolf absolutely dominates cutler.

the classiest thing cutler could do now is publically admonish the judges and present the mr o trophy to wolf.

this shit is worse than padilla getting ripped off in 1981. at least columbu had density on padilla. jay has nothing on dennis.

has to be the first time EVER the olympia has been given to one of the worst conditioned bbers in the contest. jay looked like a fucking marsmallow.

muscletech has corrupted the mr o and turned into a complete joke. fuck muscletech and the olympia.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2007, 02:24:00 AM »

That picture just blows my mind. The disparity is appalling.

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Re: Dennis Wolf Sized Down EVERYBODY At the 2007 Mr. Olympia!
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2007, 02:47:29 AM »
LOL the judges clearly have not gotten away with their muscletech payoffs hahahahahah