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here you can see it all....
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Some advantages over Jay
some weaknesses as well
all in all Wolf looked incredible!!
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Im absolutley sick...look at this shit...i dont see one thing better on jay except for maybe the hams....Wolf was robbed and i would do some serious ass kicking of judges if i was him
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Wolf's most muscular is just insane.
Wolf's structure totally crushs Jay's and those pics aren't even adjusted for Wolf's height advantage.
Jay received the biggest gift of his life.
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If you need anymore proof that BB today is bull take a look at those photos, I like Jay and he seems like a good guy, but there is no way to justify him winning or even top 3 IMO
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I havent seen a thread like this before!!! amazing.
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All that I know is…there ware 3 guys in much better condition then jay…
Dennis Wolf
Dexter Jackson
Victor Martinez
This was the biggest Olympia rip off ever.
Congratulations to Dennis wolf cause despite all things it was he’s first Olympia
And he was out there fighting with guys with years in the show and in top of that he’s 28yrs and he was robed.
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Best post today dude and should probably end all this !!! Wolfe owned him COMPLETELY, he was EVEN a more natural colour!!!!
Thats my lot on all this - Its been too negative an example of 21st century bodybuilding to keep on discussing it. ONWARDS......
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I thought it was between Martinez and Wolf I had Jay maybe third. Dexter just needs to quit...that or actually bring a different physique to the stage then he been bringing the last ten years. I think Jay is a good bodybuilder but represents a direction that the sport should not move in........Wolf on the other hand thats a different story
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All that I know is…there ware 3 guys in much better condition then jay…
Dennis Wolf
Dexter Jackson
Victor Martinez
This was the biggest Olympia rip off ever.
Congratulations to Dennis wolf cause despite all things it was he’s first Olympia
And he was out there fighting with guys with years in the show and in top of that he’s 28yrs and he was robed.
he competed in 2006, but ended up not placing because Judges didn't give him a fair look...now he has a name...which goes to show you
as milos said : THE SHOW IS JUDGED ON NAMES, not physiques.
and it is sad when people are asked if they want the body of Mr.Olympia, and they say NO...if you don't want the body of the supposed "BEST in the game" then what does that say about the state of Bodybuilding?
that was the smartest thing i've heard all year regarding bodybuilding. Milos exposed many of the faults in that interview on Saturday.
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wolf 2007 is the only physique worthy of being onstage in the 90s.
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here you can see it all....
Wolf has a much better structure than Jay. If he keeps improving, he should have a bright future in the sport.
CD
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This type of judging is why bodybuilding is not a sport.
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Front double bi Jay is stronger apart from that... braaaab
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wolf 2007 is the only physique worthy of being onstage in the 90s.
No...
Silvio Samuel
David Henry
Mark Dugdale
all worthy of hanging with the best of them (small compact and ripped)
reminds me of the good short guys from the past, Gaspari-Shawn-Labrada... that kind of physique
Also Melvin is like the modern day Flex Wheeler, minus the conditioning, he has the most balanced physique on that stage, just not the crisp condition you'd expect.
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No...
Silvio Samuel
David Henry
Mark Dugdale
all worthy of hanging with the best of them (small compact and ripped)
reminds me of the good short guys from the past, Gaspari-Shawn-Labrada... that kind of physique
Also Melvin is like the modern day Flex Wheeler, minus the conditioning, he has the most balanced physique on that stage, just not the crisp condition you'd expect.
silvio samuel has amazing muscle bellies..but looking at his physique on stage i realized he is overrated in many ways.
he is too narrow (see his front double biceps)
also lacks in chest....bigger is not always better but silvio needs alot of mass in the right places...
upper chest, shoulders (shoulder width)
in short: silvio has amazing muscle bellies (round) but not a good structure.
mark dugdale sucked
henry, you may be right about him. he needs more quad sweep tho..he has dexter jackson legs.
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No...
Silvio Samuel
David Henry
Mark Dugdale
all worthy of hanging with the best of them (small compact and ripped)
reminds me of the good short guys from the past, Gaspari-Shawn-Labrada... that kind of physique
Also Melvin is like the modern day Flex Wheeler, minus the conditioning, he has the most balanced physique on that stage, just not the crisp condition you'd expect.
melvin isnt even close to flex.
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he competed in 2006, but ended up not placing because Judges didn't give him a fair look...now he has a name...which goes to show you
as milos said : THE SHOW IS JUDGED ON NAMES, not physiques.
and it is sad when people are asked if they want the body of Mr.Olympia, and they say NO...if you don't want the body of the supposed "BEST in the game" then what does that say about the state of Bodybuilding?
that was the smartest thing i've heard all year regarding bodybuilding. Milos exposed many of the faults in that interview on Saturday.
Bu that’s not new bro, the difference is some have the guts to come out and say it and some just prefer to close their eyes and pretend they are not watching or even worst just go in and play along this corrupted dirty game.
We have seen it in the past with other competitor as for eg. Kevin Levrone and you will see it a lot more in the future if things don’t change which is difficult coz there’s many $$$ ahead of all this which is a shame for the sport, its not about how you are anymore but who you are.
Milos is right and he knows how this shit is goes down…
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silvio samuel has amazing muscle bellies..but looking at his physique on stage i realized he is overrated in many ways.
he is too narrow (see his front double biceps)
also lacks in chest....bigger is not always better but silvio needs alot of mass in the right places...
upper chest, shoulders (shoulder width)
in short: silvio has amazing muscle bellies (round) but not a good structure.
mark dugdale sucked
henry, you may be right about him. he needs more quad sweep tho..he has dexter jackson legs.
maybe on that outing, but he has an amazing structure...
i'd love to have that kind of balance, it's not over-the-top like many of the guys today.
and it's Gut-Free!
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/744/Men/744kb0232.jpg)
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Who can get Jay Cutler’s interview backstage after the Olympia 2005???
please post it.
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Who can get Jay Cutler’s interview backstage after the Olympia 2005???
please post it.
Papa said it's no good they must have pulled it
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maybe on that outing, but he has an amazing structure...
i'd love to have that kind of balance, it's not over-the-top like many of the guys today.
and it's Gut-Free!
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/744/Men/744kb0232.jpg)
i was refering to the physiques they presented on stage this year at the mr o.
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yup i know.
i was just saying that Dugdale is worthy of being a top guy in the 90's-type era when he's 100%
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It is just me or wolf is looking at jay’s fuel tank ;D
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Papa said it's no good they must have pulled it
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i bet thet did..no wonder why
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It is just me or wolf is looking at jay’s fuel tank ;D
Funny, it was Wolf's second O Frank
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Plan was - after they announce top six in numerical order...Dennis would be first one called out and Jay would have been last...
As there is some time when confusion and anticipation takes place I told Dennis to just walk and stand right next to Jay - letting the judges (audience and the whole world) know - I demand the comparison with the champ...I want my chance to compete for a title....
Probably he would have been told to go back to his place...but imagine what kind of response would come from the audience?!
Audience would possibly make that challenge possible - and we would have all witness that WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE and NOT ACCEPT THE POLITICS - if we do something about it!
Well, during the posedown Dennis remembered that chasing Jay would be right thing to do...but Jay was running away like his life is in danger...(only his title was...) but nevertheless - Dennis's political loss could be his biggest victory so far - as he became "people's champ" and that sometimes is worth MORE THAN A TITLE...
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as he became "people's champ" and that sometimes is worth MORE THAN A TITLE...
I can agree with that
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Plan was - after they announce top six in numerical order...Dennis would be first one called out and Jay would have been last...
As there is some time when confusion and anticipation takes place I told Dennis to just walk and stand right next to Jay - letting the judges (audience and the whole world) know - I demand the comparison with the champ...I want my chance to compete for a title....
Probably he would have been told to go back to his place...but imagine what kind of response would come from the audience?!
Audience would possibly make that challenge possible - and we would have all witness that WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE and NOT ACCEPT THE POLITICS - if we do something about it!
Well, during the posedown Dennis remembered that chasing Jay would be right thing to do...but Jay was running away like his life is in danger...(only his title was...) but nevertheless - Dennis's political loss could be his biggest victory so far - as he became "people's champ" and that sometimes is worth MORE THAN A TITLE...
Great job on your part there.
No if's, but's, why's.
Just good coaching, or whatever you wanna call it.
Running Jay was exposed and we all know who is the real champ.
Credit.
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Plan was - after they announce top six in numerical order...Dennis would be first one called out and Jay would have been last...
As there is some time when confusion and anticipation takes place I told Dennis to just walk and stand right next to Jay - letting the judges (audience and the whole world) know - I demand the comparison with the champ...I want my chance to compete for a title....
Probably he would have been told to go back to his place...but imagine what kind of response would come from the audience?!
Audience would possibly make that challenge possible - and we would have all witness that WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE and NOT ACCEPT THE POLITICS - if we do something about it!
Well, during the posedown Dennis remembered that chasing Jay would be right thing to do...but Jay was running away like his life is in danger...(only his title was...) but nevertheless - Dennis's political loss could be his biggest victory so far - as he became "people's champ" and that sometimes is worth MORE THAN A TITLE...
milos, there can be no doubt that wolf was the real winner. also props for doing a good job with the jap.
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Wonder if any magazine has the balls...
To put this pic on the cover with their placings in a caption... Hahaha
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Plan was - after they announce top six in numerical order...Dennis would be first one called out and Jay would have been last...
As there is some time when confusion and anticipation takes place I told Dennis to just walk and stand right next to Jay - letting the judges (audience and the whole world) know - I demand the comparison with the champ...I want my chance to compete for a title....
Probably he would have been told to go back to his place...but imagine what kind of response would come from the audience?!
Audience would possibly make that challenge possible - and we would have all witness that WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE and NOT ACCEPT THE POLITICS - if we do something about it!
Well, during the posedown Dennis remembered that chasing Jay would be right thing to do...but Jay was running away like his life is in danger...(only his title was...) but nevertheless - Dennis's political loss could be his biggest victory so far - as he became "people's champ" and that sometimes is worth MORE THAN A TITLE...
I think you’re absolutely right bro and congratulations to you and wolf for the great job you guys did, and for giving to us Olympia lovers one historical moment at Olympia stage I have never seen a guy coming from nowhere making so many damages.
Wolf was out there competing with guys with years and years of Olympia experience
And he walked out 5º and robed…big time
Wolf you have nothing to be ashamed of, that was the biggest victory you could ever had on that night, I remember on the Olympia 2002 when Gunter literally took the night glory from Ronnie…last Saturday you just took it from Jay.
That sight of Jay running from wolf it’s just priceless and I will tell you more if I was Jay I would just give the title away, after that night he is not worth of holding that title anymore, not for his attitude and definitely not for is condition.
There’s a good reason why they didn’t sent out the viewers choice result, I don’t know if its true but I have been told wolf was the choice, but either way Victor was not at his best but he was way much better then Jay.
Milos have a point there and I completely agree, the pros must put all their interested aside if they have any and if they aren’t too corrupted with their dirty contracts
and make a stand, don’t aloud the judges to gamble with you life commitment and sacrifices YOU CAN MAKE THE CHANGE and NOT ACCEPT THE POLITICS
To finish I have just one final word to Jay,Wolf and Milos.
Jay:
Despite all the training all the sweat all the supplements (and all the other supplements) and the fact that you’re nothing but
Mr Muscletech Olympia champion, don’t you ever…and I mean ever forget, that we fans are the ones that make you guys champions and I haven’t made you my champion
(never did and probably I will never do)
Wolf:
I said before I will say it again you have nothing to be ashamed
You ware the true champion that night, and a real gentleman coz if it was I in your place I would have beaten the living hell out of those judges (or maybe weider just needs to give them a free check up at the ophthalmologist…(HEY…I know a good one if you need some refs)
keep on the good work and hopefully one day we will see you get what you should have had and completely deserved.
Milos:
Just so you know I am making you training method and it’s the best in the world. It was a privilege having you here at the topic I started.
God bless you all and take care.
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On the cover? No.
In Dennis Wolf's column in MD? Maybe.
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To put this pic on the cover with their placings in a caption... Hahaha
Can you IMAGINE the caption?
"2007 MR. OLYMPIA placings we show you the TRUTH behind the screwjob!!"
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Can you IMAGINE the caption?
"2007 MR. OLYMPIA placings we show you the TRUTH behind the screwjob!!"
I would pay good money to see that... unfortunately Muscletech would not agree with me and would pull all ads if anyone at the mag even suggested such a thing... Ahh..gotta love the corruption.
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I would pay good money to see that... unfortunately Muscletech would not agree with me and would pull all ads if anyone at the mag even suggested such a thing... Ahh..gotta love the corruption.
How about this one
"watch the American judges SCREW the European guy" ;D
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One last thing,I did this yesterday but now I see its sideways cause they still if from Wolf ;D
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One last thing,I did this yesterday but now I see its sideways cause they still if from Wolf ;D
LOL
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thats good
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here you can see it all....
winner. . .wolfe.
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the fact that Wolf placed fucking FIFTH is inexcusable.
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What do you mean with that?you think cutler deserved it?
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i really think that wolf killed jay in every single pose- but he needs to word in his calves though... ::)
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http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/2007olympia/video/milos.wmv
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http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/2007olympia/video/milos.wmv
Milos.....
I know I've given you shit in the past....but I liked your interview.
You just told it the way you felt.
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One last thing,I did this yesterday but now I see its sideways cause they still if from Wolf ;D
OMG LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
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It keeps getting better and better folks…first we had the runaway bride now we have the runaway jay Check your local listings or visit www.i.am.jay.and.i.like. to.runaway.com or www.jay.the.runaway.chum p.com 8)
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I would hate to be Jay's Psyche right now.
Knowing what is and what should have been.
One night during the Olympia, a waitress gave me change of a $100. when I only gave her a $20. I gave the money back.
Im one of "those" people who believe in Karma.
What is going on in "Mr. OLYMPIA'S" mind after all of the hoopla dies down and people on the street ask him the hard questions?
Remember at the conference, he did touch on traveling the world and answering, working with people all over the globe, representing BodyBuilding.
Is he confident enough in his win to let those hard and honest, and sometimes rude questions flow off his back like water on a duck or will it eat at his conscious/sense of right or wrong?
I think at some point in our developing years, we all learn and understand right and wrong. We accept that sometimes "I will go with the wrong plan". Because, it seems to such a little thing to do.......
Setting himself up to retire after 3 Olympia titles...
I am so done spending my money on such bullshit.
No more Olympia spectacles for me.
Sandra
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Yeah Sandra I guess that’s what all pro´s are afraid now…that the fans turn their back on the Olympia but it can’t be no other way. This is completely messed up.
You’re not the first turning your back and you will not be the last…
And what about the pro´s?? I have waited 1 year for this and I am so pissed with all this sh*t now, many of those guys have struggled for 1 year just to qualify and be there,how do they feel?That’s not fair either.
Is there any pro coming out here and let us all know what they think about this?
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any doubts....
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Yeah Sandra I guess that’s what all pro´s are afraid now…that the fans turn their back on the Olympia but it can’t be no other way. This is completely messed up.
You’re not the first turning your back and you will not be the last…
And what about the pro´s?? I have waited 1 year for this and I am so pissed with all this sh*t now, many of those guys have struggled for 1 year just to qualify and be there,how do they feel?That’s not fair either.
Is there any pro coming out here and let us all know what they think about this?
agreed...and the fucking judges cant even give some guys the chance to compete (by calling more comparisons)
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WOlf is HUGGGGGGGGGGE
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What the judges didn’t let us see...
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Wolf was the clear winner. What a BS show.
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Wolf seems to beat Jay on size, shape and definition (to which I believe Jay concurs).
Other than that, Jay was the clear winner.
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Back when Dillet competed he looked that good if not even freakier from the front. That's the thing with guys with good delts and wide shoulders, just like dennis newman and levrone. Everyone keeps saying they should be Olympia and they were all judging from the front. Not to say that wolfe's back sucks, it's great, but i think most of his back look is by virtue of his clavicle width, if your bones are that wide your lats have to insert that far apart. He lacks a lot of thickness in his back and his hams and glutes were soft compared to jay.
and u kno the judges love condition glutse and hams
Jay may not have the structure, but he's thicker everywhere than wolfe except in the delts. It may not look pleasing, but hey, Flex lost to Coleman after Dorian retired and Flex had way better structure/symmetry, just not thick everywhere.
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Wolf seems to beat Jay on size, shape and definition (to which I believe Jay concurs).
Other than that, Jay was the clear winner.
Hhahaha, epic ironic truth.
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Back when Dillet competed he looked that good if not even freakier from the front. That's the thing with guys with good delts and wide shoulders, just like dennis newman and levrone. Everyone keeps saying they should be Olympia and they were all judging from the front. Not to say that wolfe's back sucks, it's great, but i think most of his back look is by virtue of his clavicle width, if your bones are that wide your lats have to insert that far apart. He lacks a lot of thickness in his back and his hams and glutes were soft compared to jay.
and u kno the judges love condition glutse and hams
Jay may not have the structure, but he's thicker everywhere than wolfe except in the delts. It may not look pleasing, but hey, Flex lost to Coleman after Dorian retired and Flex had way better structure/symmetry, just not thick everywhere.
I agree. Wolf looked amazing but when they did the pose down wolf never left jays side and jay took him on almost every pose
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Jay may not have the structure, but he's thicker everywhere than wolfe except in the delts.
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is that a joke??
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just in case you still didnt see it....
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For all the people who think Jay was the real winner;
Is as hard as I think to see these pictures, where eyes can´t lie the true, while your mind is saying "no no no..."? ?
Saying Wolf was not the best with that kind of arguments is so poor and sad...
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I would hate to be Jay's Psyche right now.
Knowing what is and what should have been.
One night during the Olympia, a waitress gave me change of a $100. when I only gave her a $20. I gave the money back.
Im one of "those" people who believe in Karma.
Sandra
are you an idiot...you actually gave money back to a city that squeezes the money out of people 24/7. Did you not stay in Las Vegas? Did you not pay 8 dollars for coffee and donuts, 18 dollars for a hotdog and coke?...did you not pay 30 dollars just to work out in the gym of the hotel you paid 300 dollars a night to sleep in.
I guess you stayed at a different Las Vegas than I did.
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are you an idiot...you actually gave money back to a city that squeezes the money out of people 24/7. Did you not stay in Las Vegas? Did you not pay 8 dollars for coffee and donuts, 18 dollars for a hotdog and coke?...did you not pay 30 dollars just to work out in the gym of the hotel you paid 300 dollars a night to sleep in.
I guess you stayed at a different Las Vegas than I did.
did you go to any "parties" ?
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they just keep on coming ;D
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Wolf needs to bring his back double bi up, its the only shot where he is pretty clearly beaten by Jay. Aside from that its a joke. A complete joke. I'd like to see a judge look at these comparisons and claim Jay won.
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Wolf needs to bring his back double bi up, its the only shot where he is pretty clearly beaten by Jay. Aside from that its a joke. A complete joke. I'd like to see a judge look at these comparisons and claim Jay won.
I think he just needs to bring up his back.. Thats it... The Mr.O is a flop... Such bullshit, I dont think im even interested in watching it anymore.. Victor was clearly the winner...
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Wolf isn't as thick as Jay or Victor overall. No-one denies that.
But then again they arn't as cut as him! I'm sure he could come in a bloated with oil in his shoulders and weigh 30 pounds more.
Overall he kills Jay. It isn't even close. He should do the Arnold, win it, and then slaughter Jay again at the O. Whether the judges give it to him or not (after this decision they won't, i mean if Jay looks 'off' and wins then next year all he has to do is improve and the judges will go 'oh he won last year and he's better now, he HAS to win')
I notice Bob Chick has said nothing on the fact Wolf should have won. Considering Chick has a similar physique type to Wolf (tall, wide shoulders, small waist, probably better structure even) can you wonder why?
I think Wolf won!
'What was that Bob?'
LOL
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I wonder if MD MAG will post any type of this pictures...that would be something else ;D
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Thats exactly why he didn't place higher his back lacks enough size for its frame , he's like Dillett in the way massive delts , traps great clavicle width but his middle and lower back clearly lag behind , if he goes to work he can fill it out he will win the Olympia , in the process add some size to the calves and dial in the conditioning and he will be lethal ! his conditioning was good at the Olympia but that was his third contest this year so it suffered a tad
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I notice Bob Chick has said nothing on the fact Wolf should have won. Considering Chick has a similar physique type to Wolf (tall, wide shoulders, small waist, probably better structure even) can you wonder why?
I think Wolf won!
'What was that Bob?'
LOL
I would like to hear what he haves to say about that.
You just forgot to mention Jay’s funny delt and flat arms about the thickness in that most muscular he looks pretty much thick to me.
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Thats exactly why he didn't place higher his back lacks enough size for its frame , he's like Dillett in the way massive delts , traps great clavicle width but his middle and lower back clearly lag behind , if he goes to work he can fill it out he will win the Olympia , in the process add some size to the calves and dial in the conditioning and he will be lethal ! his conditioning was good at the Olympia but that was his third contest this year so it suffered a tad
And what do you have to say about Jay?
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Thats exactly why he didn't place higher his back lacks enough size for its frame , he's like Dillett in the way massive delts , traps great clavicle width but his middle and lower back clearly lag behind , if he goes to work he can fill it out he will win the Olympia , in the process add some size to the calves and dial in the conditioning and he will be lethal ! his conditioning was good at the Olympia but that was his third contest this year so it suffered a tad
Wolf's back has alot better separation than Dillett's ever had. In the front double biceps his back could look thicker though and his lower back needs some more thickness too. But someone who isn't ripped like Jay should never win the Mr. O regardless of how big he is.
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cutler looks like his fat little brother
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Jay will win again next year.
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Jay will win again next year.
"Politics as usual", as they say?
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When Wolfie's sponsor buys the show, then he, too, can be a Mr. Olympia champion.
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"Politics as usual", as they say?
Jay will win again next year. ;) ;D
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Wolf's back has alot better separation than Dillett's ever had. In the front double biceps his back could look thicker though and his lower back needs some more thickness too. But someone who isn't ripped like Jay should never win the Mr. O regardless of how big he is.
Someone who isn't ripped like Jay should never win the Mr. O regardless of how big he is?????
Bro have you seen the same Mr.olympia I did???
Please spar me.....
The only thing jay haves thicker the wolf is his Musclethec contract.
That’s why he is your Mr Muscletech Olympia champ.
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Jay will win again next year. ;) ;D
jay has never won the mr o.
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JAy is a great champion and a great MR. O that is why he won
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JAy is a great champion and a great MR. O that is why he won
Shore he is...the greatest Mr. Muscletech champion
We won coz he has the biggest and thickness contract, in case you don’t know Mr. Olympia is not about athleticism anymore it’s about politic.
Rise and shine boy, it’s a jungle out there.
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Wonder if any magazine has the balls...
To put this pic on the cover with their placings in a caption... Hahaha
whatever the outcome was. . . there are many a 15 yr old skinny dude like I used to be looking at that pic and saying. . .DAMN! That is sick. . .who cares who won...did you forget you loved bbuilding? I am 33 and I love the old days. .but today is good in its own way. I have the old pics and memories and I can see the new. Best of both worlds.