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Title: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on October 03, 2007, 09:59:06 AM
Hi Bob,

Here we are again...
As you announced back in 2006 - you have received conformation from Mr. Jim Manion that starting with IRONMAN 2007 we will have MORE COMPARISONS and if I remember correctly you even used a term: top ten will all be crisscrossed and compared...

At the IRONMAN we had situation where hardly any comparisons took place and as you know - after the prejudging we had somewhat uncomfortable discussion with the judges...

That day Mr. Manion called me and when I asked him WHAT HAPPENED - he suggested that possibly some of the judges were NOT informed about this NEW POLICY (so much for putting things in writing - I guess?)

Well, after I must say pretty good year of NUMEROUS COMPARISONS in many shows (still not as many as expected - but definitely MORE THAN EVER) I was looking foreword to Mr. Olympia - FINAL CONTEST OF THE YEAR...SUPERBOWL OF BODYBUILDING...and being that prejudging is separated from the finals (on Friday night) - it was safe to assume that WE WILL HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO COMPARE each and every athlete even with their own shadows...if we had to...

How and why we didn't have MORE COMPARISONS and how and why some athletes were denied a chance to compete - it is a question I have to ask...

And while some people will suggest that I am talking about "my athletes" - I would like to say - all the athletes are "my athletes" (as just like you Bob - I do care for all the IFBB pros...so fact that I am maybe helping some in preparation doesn't mean I am now against any other...I only like to bring the best out of each and every guy and help them reach their full potential).

So, HOW (!?) for the love of God could IFBB judging panel NOT want to see Dennis Wolf standing right next to (rather: in between) Jay and Victor?
And how for example AC champion Johnnie Jackson was never compared with Melvin Anthony (as Melvin "predicted" at the press conference)...or Ronnie, Dexter, Jay...and how about my dear friend - Hidetada Yamagishi (who's sponsor organized large group of Japanese fans to come to Vegas and witness the history -as Hide is the very first Japanese bodybuilder to ever step on Mr. Olympia stage...just to realize - head judge didn't even know how to pronounce Hidetada's name, making fun of his mistakes...as he thought he is being funny mispronouncing Hidetada's name 5-6 times...).
Guests form Japan were deeply disturbed with that and I must say: rightfully so...

Could it be that after failing to remember his name judge decided NOT to call Hide for additional comparisons (I saw Hide worthy of being compared to his ex training partner Silvio, Gustavo, David H....etc)


When we are talking about THE OLYMPIA...Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia - as ULTIMATE CONTEST at the end of EVERY YEAR - which determines exactly WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER IN THE WORLD...we should have MORE comparisons than normally and certainly not less.

While there are many bellow average IFBB pros at some IFBB professional events - certain comparisons among the athletes are possibly NOT necessary (due to obvious difference in quality)...but Olympians are "special breed" and they are not there by accident...they earned their right to step on that stage through qualification process - as they had to prove themselves - competing and placing in the top 3 in some of the shows prior to Mr. O.

And if judges somehow overlook somebody on Friday...they could see some photos on the Internet (like the "instant replay")....review it... and maybe realize that some competitors DESERVE to be compared to otherwise "protected" champions...

Fans deserve to see it...the whole world does...but we are still not doing it?!?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2007, 10:03:33 AM
Nice one Milos - I hope you get an answer, although I suspect it will be on the phone!!!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: wisconsinBB on October 03, 2007, 10:04:02 AM
Well said Milos.  I was extremely dissapointed not to see Dennis put next to victor and Jay.  Maybe the IFBB didn't want to make it TOO obvious how fucked up the placings were.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 03, 2007, 10:07:23 AM
Milos.  Correction it is NOT called Joe Weiders Olympia.  It is now called the MUSCLETECH OLYMPIA FOR COMPETITORS THAT LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT WE'LL STILL AWARD THEM THE TITLE SINCE WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS SHIT
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 10:07:36 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2007, 10:15:32 AM
Milos - Try someone who can do something about this. Thats obviously not Bob.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: wisconsinBB on October 03, 2007, 10:15:59 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Hopefully some kind of OFFICIAL rule can be instated to address this issue.  I hate to sound like a broken record but I just can't understand how the judges can justify not placing a top 5 guy next to first and second place.  Bob, I agree with you and I think the "Within reason" fan friendly callouts is a great way to the the crowd going and hype up the show as well.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: akers1021 on October 03, 2007, 10:27:03 AM
This thread will go either one of these 2 ways:

15+ pages
Ron will delete it in 5 minutes...... ::)
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: emn1964 on October 03, 2007, 10:28:58 AM
Milos, you should know the answer about why more comparisons were not done.  The IFBB does whatever it wants regardless of whether it creates an air of impropriety in the "judging" as long as the major sponsors are satisfied with the placings.  It's as simple as that.  More comparisons would have been done if it really were a "contest."  But you know that it wasn't.  The result, right or wrong, was predetermined.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Disgusted on October 03, 2007, 10:30:45 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Excellent post!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Trev on October 03, 2007, 10:32:22 AM
Excellent post!
Yeh, but All Talk, NO Walk ...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: sgt. d on October 03, 2007, 10:32:49 AM
This thread will go either one of these 2 ways:

15+ pages
Ron will delete it in 5 minutes...... ::)

15+pages
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Rimbaud on October 03, 2007, 10:34:42 AM
Ron will delete it in 5 minutes...... ::)

Why would Ron delete it?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Stark on October 03, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
15+pages

Ron rarly deletes any threads...

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Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: corinth on October 03, 2007, 10:41:13 AM
The only excuse that makes any sense for not comparing Dennis to Jay and Vic is that the judges knew that was a bad comparison for their bought champion.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: McFarland on October 03, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
Thanks for sticking up for Hide Milos.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: akers1021 on October 03, 2007, 10:46:53 AM
The only excuse that makes any sense for not comparing Dennis to Jay and Vic is that the judges knew that was a bad comparison for their bought champion.


POST OF THE YEAR AWARD!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Iron_Sheik on October 03, 2007, 10:57:06 AM
Hi Bob,

Here we are again...
As you announced back in 2006 - you have received conformation from Mr. Jim Manion that starting with IRONMAN 2007 we will have MORE COMPARISONS and if I remember correctly you even used a term: top ten will all be crisscrossed and compared...

At the IRONMAN we had situation where hardly any comparisons took place and as you know - after the prejudging we had somewhat uncomfortable discussion with the judges...

That day Mr. Manion called me and when I asked him WHAT HAPPENED - he suggested that possibly some of the judges were NOT informed about this NEW POLICY (so much for putting things in writing - I guess?)

Well, after I must say pretty good year of NUMEROUS COMPARISONS in many shows (still not as many as expected - but definitely MORE THAN EVER) I was looking foreword to Mr. Olympia - FINAL CONTEST OF THE YEAR...SUPERBOWL OF BODYBUILDING...and being that prejudging is separated from the finals (on Friday night) - it was safe to assume that WE WILL HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO COMPARE each and every athlete even with their own shadows...if we had to...

How and why we didn't have MORE COMPARISONS and how and why some athletes were denied a chance to compete - it is a question I have to ask...

And while some people will suggest that I am talking about "my athletes" - I would like to say - all the athletes are "my athletes" (as just like you Bob - I do care for all the IFBB pros...so fact that I am maybe helping some in preparation doesn't mean I am now against any other...I only like to bring the best out of each and every guy and help them reach their full potential).

So, HOW (!?) for the love of God could IFBB judging panel NOT want to see Dennis Wolf standing right next to (rather: in between) Jay and Victor?
And how for example AC champion Johnnie Jackson was never compared with Melvin Anthony (as Melvin "predicted" at the press conference)...or Ronnie, Dexter, Jay...and how about my dear friend - Hidetada Yamagishi (who's sponsor organized large group of Japanese fans to come to Vegas and witness the history -as Hide is the very first Japanese bodybuilder to ever step on Mr. Olympia stage...just to realize - head judge didn't even know how to pronounce Hidetada's name, making fun of his mistakes...as he thought he is being funny mispronouncing Hidetada's name 5-6 times...).
Guests form Japan were deeply disturbed with that and I must say: rightfully so...

Could it be that after failing to remember his name judge decided NOT to call Hide for additional comparisons (I saw Hide worthy of being compared to his ex training partner Silvio, Gustavo, David H....etc)


When we are talking about THE OLYMPIA...Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia - as ULTIMATE CONTEST at the end of EVERY YEAR - which determines exactly WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER IN THE WORLD...we should have MORE comparisons than normally and certainly not less.

While there are many bellow average IFBB pros at some IFBB professional events - certain comparisons among the athletes are possibly NOT necessary (due to obvious difference in quality)...but Olympians are "special breed" and they are not there by accident...they earned their right to step on that stage through qualification process - as they had to prove themselves - competing and placing in the top 3 in some of the shows prior to Mr. O.

And if judges somehow overlook somebody on Friday...they could see some photos on the Internet (like the "instant replay")....review it... and maybe realize that some competitors DESERVE to be compared to otherwise "protected" champions...

Fans deserve to see it...the whole world does...but we are still not doing it?!?

I don't know why, but this part of the story enrages me the most. Next year get someone more professional.

Overall, from the awesome production work done by Hellen Keller, INC to the bullshit that Milos is talking about the Olympia was laughable. Alienating the hardcore fans (which are the only ones that care enough to pay and put their ass in a seat) is putting BB into a fucking landslide.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: HUGEPECS on October 03, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
The only excuse that makes any sense for not comparing Dennis to Jay and Vic is that the judges knew that was a bad comparison for their bought champion.



oh My lord saviour, Jay is completely Owned here
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Disgusted on October 03, 2007, 11:10:45 AM
Yeh, but All Talk, NO Walk ...

Regardless about what some of you guys think about Bob being a "companyman" I know that there a many things that he doesn't like that he would like to see changed for the benefit of the pros, but he can only do so much.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: nukkaready on October 03, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
Everything Milos says makes sense and should be implemented. Unfortunately bodybuilding contests are fixed and criss crossing all athletes when it comes to pre-judging comparisons doesn't fit the agenda of the IFBB corruption machinery. This years Mr. Olympia is the perfect example: Letting a subpar looking Cutler reign supreme and sparing him the humiliation of getting destroyed in a comparison with a better athlete like Dennis Wolf. Clearly Jay's sponsor won him the title.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: MB on October 03, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
Having the pre-judging on Friday night is also a problem.  The judges are going to make minimal callouts when they know that there's still women's bodybuilding & fitness to follow.  Move it back to Saturday and take as long as necessary to give everyone a good look.  Bob, is there any talk of this? 
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 11:26:16 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.


Perhaps as Athlete's Rep you could address this issue with Jim and find out what happened?  The 5th-place guy (really 4th since Ronnie got a retirement gift) not being compared to 1-3?  What's up with that?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: littleguns on October 03, 2007, 11:28:32 AM
Touche' Milos...

It's a sad day when the current Mr Olympia's waist is probably 42 inches
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Livewire on October 03, 2007, 11:29:41 AM
We'll call this the "Let's put Wolf and Jay on opposite sides of the stage" rule

;)
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: The.Giant on October 03, 2007, 11:30:45 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Solid post, I think everyone would like to see that done.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on October 03, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Can you tell us exactly why Wolf and Cutler weren't directly compared and why did Culter run whenever Wolf came near him?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: dragonheart on October 03, 2007, 11:33:09 AM
only thing jay has on wolf is calves, and maybe upper back.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 11:36:07 AM
Can you tell us exactly why Wolf and Cutler weren't directly compared and why did Culter run whenever Wolf came near him?


Because he's "Runaway Jay"!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: kilojoule on October 03, 2007, 11:38:40 AM
This is about as close as Cutler and Wolfe got..  :'(
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 11:39:43 AM
Regardless about what some of you guys think about Bob being a "companyman" I know that there a many things that he doesn't like that he would like to see changed for the benefit of the pros, but he can only do so much.


In exchange for publicly defending the IFBB's indefensible actions, Bob gets to sit at the table with the powers-that-be.  They make all the decisions, and if Bob says something they pretend to listen, pat him on the head, and then promptly ignore him and do what they want anyway.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: nukkaready on October 03, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
clearly... the only "two" things Cutler got over Wolf are his bigger gut and calves.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
clearly... the only "two" things Cutler got over Wolf are his bigger gut and calves.


Cutler was smoother than Wolf as well.  Jay should get bonus points for his "awesome" smoothness, right?  ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: anvil on October 03, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
The only excuse that makes any sense for not comparing Dennis to Jay and Vic is that the judges knew that was a bad comparison for their bought champion.

100% True.  That picture is just missing one word:



Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on October 03, 2007, 11:57:24 AM
This is about as close as Cutler and Wolfe got..  :'(

Look at how thick Cutler's waist is in that shot compared to Wolf.

Those two aren't even close, Wolf clearly. It's really not even close.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: SWOLETRAIN on October 03, 2007, 12:04:11 PM
Awesome Post Milos and Chick.... This was the OLYMPIA!!!!!! the best of the best!!! all ahould have been done to insure the fairest best show possible, not have the biggest fourm on the www asking WTF is up?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 12:06:49 PM
Regardless about what some of you guys think about Bob being a "companyman" I know that there a many things that he doesn't like that he would like to see changed for the benefit of the pros, but he can only do so much.

Thanks Jimmy...

The callouts (except for the IM) in '07 have been great....and I believe the judges have done a very good job this year in making sure enough comparisons have been made.....HOWEVER...There is no excuse for not having every one projected to be in the top 5 compared...

There is only so much I can do...I asked for more comparisons...that's what I was assured would happen. The IM came and there was a miscommunication with the head judge who never received the new standards we had agreed upon...fine.....it was fixed and every show since then has been called the way it should have, and probably MORE comparisons than was necessary.

Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 12:11:32 PM
Having the pre-judging on Friday night is also a problem.  The judges are going to make minimal callouts when they know that there's still women's bodybuilding & fitness to follow.  Move it back to Saturday and take as long as necessary to give everyone a good look.  Bob, is there any talk of this? 

That was of no consideration...the prejudging was over 2 hours long....and many comparisons were made...I just think some key comparisonss were not.

No...there are other considerations to moving the prejudging to Friday night...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on October 03, 2007, 12:16:20 PM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2007olympia_vids.htm

I could hardly talk...but I think I said what I had to...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Disgusted on October 03, 2007, 12:26:19 PM
Thanks Jimmy...

The callouts (except for the IM) in '07 have been great....and I believe the judges have done a very good job this year in making sure enough comparisons have been made.....HOWEVER...There is no excuse for not having every one projected to be in the top 5 compared...

There is only so much I can do...I asked for more comparisons...that's what I was assured would happen. The IM came and there was a miscommunication with the head judge who never received the new standards we had agreed upon...fine.....it was fixed and every show since then has been called the way it should have, and probably MORE comparisons than was necessary.



You're welcome.  :) I would like to add and since you are friends with Jim Rockell. At the competitors meeting in Montreal Jim handled things extemely well and treated the athletes with respect. Even when a couple of the guys showed up late he was very respectful towards these guys. He also warned everyone ahead of time that there would be many comarisons made and let me tell you that these guys were compared bigtime!!! Hell I was even getting tired watching.  ;D

More than a few guys were backstage on their backs during the show needing to rest between comparsions. Jim even gave the guys a few breaks and water was handed out also. I didn't get the chance to tell Jim (not that he would know me  ;D) how impressed I was with how things were done so maybe you could for me if you ever get the chance.

As to why this didn't happen at the Olympia my guess would be that someone else was maybe in charge of the callouts and comparisons.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: marcus on October 03, 2007, 12:27:25 PM
I knew it was going to be corrupt when I saw Jay's pic next to this on the webcast.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2007olympia.jpg)
I love how even Joe Weider can be bought.  ::)
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: corinth on October 03, 2007, 12:29:25 PM
You're welcome.  :) I would like to add and since you are friends with Jim Rockell. At the competitors meeting in Montreal Jim handled things extemely well and treated the athletes with respect. Even when a couple of the guys showed up late he was very respectful towards these guys. He also warned everyone ahead of time that there would be many cpmarisons made and let me tell you that these guys were compared bigtime!!! Hell I was een getting tired watching.  ;D

More than a few guys were backstage on their backs during the show needing to rest between comparsions. Jim even gave the guys a few breaks and water was handed out also. I didn't get the chance to tell Jim (not that he would know me  ;D) how impressed I was with how things were done so maybe you could for me if you ever get the chance.

As to why this didn't happen at the Olympia my guess would be that someone else was maybe in charge of the callouts and comparisons.

Yes Jim someone else was in charge of the callouts and comparisons at the Olympia.  He goes by the name Muscletech.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: akers1021 on October 03, 2007, 12:38:07 PM
Yes Jim someone else was in charge of the callouts and comparisons at the Olympia.  He goes by the name Muscletech.

No dude here are the 7 Judges Name's:     ;D

Hydroxycut
Cell-Tech
Nitro-Tech
Adoplan
Leukic
Gakkic
Meso-Tech

2 Fill in's if needed:

Creakic
Nanavapor
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: corinth on October 03, 2007, 12:39:32 PM
No dude here are the 7 Judges Name's:     ;D

Hydroxycut
Cell-Tech
Nitro-Tech
Adoplan
Leukic
Gakkic
Meso-Tech

2 Fill in's if needed:

Creakic
Nanavapor

well done

 ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
You're welcome.  :) I would like to add and since you are friends with Jim Rockell. At the competitors meeting in Montreal Jim handled things extemely well and treated the athletes with respect. Even when a couple of the guys showed up late he was very respectful towards these guys. He also warned everyone ahead of time that there would be many comarisons made and let me tell you that these guys were compared bigtime!!! Hell I was even getting tired watching.  ;D

More than a few guys were backstage on their backs during the show needing to rest between comparsions. Jim even gave the guys a few breaks and water was handed out also. I didn't get the chance to tell Jim (not that he would know me  ;D) how impressed I was with how things were done so maybe you could for me if you ever get the chance.

As to why this didn't happen at the Olympia my guess would be that someone else was maybe in charge of the callouts and comparisons.

Agreed...Jim has done a great job this year.

As per the Olympia...I don't have a big problem other than the obvious...Wolf not getting a callout against Jay. Melvin even got compared to Jay (twice I believe) and ended up finishing BEHIND Wolf....

Other than that, I think the callouts were decent....other than the fan callouts which I would have liked for show appeal...

Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on October 03, 2007, 12:58:56 PM
WELL - HERE IS IDEA....

Why don't we have 2 or more callouts that AUDIENCE can call...or viewers of the broadcast?

Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on October 03, 2007, 01:00:34 PM
Or instead of CHALLENGE ROUND - having top ten (at least) choosing a callout against 3-5 guys of their choice?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: wisconsinBB on October 03, 2007, 01:03:09 PM
Or instead of CHALLENGE ROUND - having top ten (at least) choosing a callout against 3-5 guys of their choice?

OOOHHHHHHHH,   thats an idea!  Each guy in the top ten gets to pick a 5 man callout!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 03, 2007, 01:42:10 PM
OOOHHHHHHHH,   thats an idea!  Each guy in the top ten gets to pick a 5 man callout!

Nothing like a contest that will last like 5 hours.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: wisconsinBB on October 03, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
Nothing like a contest that will last like 5 hours.

Good point.  I suppose you could get the same group of guys going through 10 rounds of posing.  My Bad.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
In the end Wolf really didn't get shafted, the guy finished 5th in his second O for chrissakes.

And there ARE some issues with his physique, the most glaring of which is not being signed by Muscletech ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 03, 2007, 01:53:20 PM
imo if the comparison top 10 portion was longer it would have made the webcast more dynamic. 
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: lastrep on October 03, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
Hi Bob,

Here we are again...
As you announced back in 2006 - you have received conformation from Mr. Jim Manion that starting with IRONMAN 2007 we will have MORE COMPARISONS and if I remember correctly you even used a term: top ten will all be crisscrossed and compared...

At the IRONMAN we had situation where hardly any comparisons took place and as you know - after the prejudging we had somewhat uncomfortable discussion with the judges...

That day Mr. Manion called me and when I asked him WHAT HAPPENED - he suggested that possibly some of the judges were NOT informed about this NEW POLICY (so much for putting things in writing - I guess?)

Well, after I must say pretty good year of NUMEROUS COMPARISONS in many shows (still not as many as expected - but definitely MORE THAN EVER) I was looking foreword to Mr. Olympia - FINAL CONTEST OF THE YEAR...SUPERBOWL OF BODYBUILDING...and being that prejudging is separated from the finals (on Friday night) - it was safe to assume that WE WILL HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO COMPARE each and every athlete even with their own shadows...if we had to...

How and why we didn't have MORE COMPARISONS and how and why some athletes were denied a chance to compete - it is a question I have to ask...

And while some people will suggest that I am talking about "my athletes" - I would like to say - all the athletes are "my athletes" (as just like you Bob - I do care for all the IFBB pros...so fact that I am maybe helping some in preparation doesn't mean I am now against any other...I only like to bring the best out of each and every guy and help them reach their full potential).

So, HOW (!?) for the love of God could IFBB judging panel NOT want to see Dennis Wolf standing right next to (rather: in between) Jay and Victor?
And how for example AC champion Johnnie Jackson was never compared with Melvin Anthony (as Melvin "predicted" at the press conference)...or Ronnie, Dexter, Jay...and how about my dear friend - Hidetada Yamagishi (who's sponsor organized large group of Japanese fans to come to Vegas and witness the history -as Hide is the very first Japanese bodybuilder to ever step on Mr. Olympia stage...just to realize - head judge didn't even know how to pronounce Hidetada's name, making fun of his mistakes...as he thought he is being funny mispronouncing Hidetada's name 5-6 times...).
Guests form Japan were deeply disturbed with that and I must say: rightfully so...

Could it be that after failing to remember his name judge decided NOT to call Hide for additional comparisons (I saw Hide worthy of being compared to his ex training partner Silvio, Gustavo, David H....etc)


When we are talking about THE OLYMPIA...Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia - as ULTIMATE CONTEST at the end of EVERY YEAR - which determines exactly WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER IN THE WORLD...we should have MORE comparisons than normally and certainly not less.

While there are many bellow average IFBB pros at some IFBB professional events - certain comparisons among the athletes are possibly NOT necessary (due to obvious difference in quality)...but Olympians are "special breed" and they are not there by accident...they earned their right to step on that stage through qualification process - as they had to prove themselves - competing and placing in the top 3 in some of the shows prior to Mr. O.

And if judges somehow overlook somebody on Friday...they could see some photos on the Internet (like the "instant replay")....review it... and maybe realize that some competitors DESERVE to be compared to otherwise "protected" champions...

Fans deserve to see it...the whole world does...but we are still not doing it?!?

Agreed 100%

5 minutes after the pre-judging I was making the point how the "psychic" judges can possibly not compare the #1, #2 and #5 (the judges opinions/placings ofcourse) to each other??? The pre-JUDGING is to judge not "guess" what they look like beside each other when they will fall a mere 2-3 placings apart. Ridiculous and a shameful judging process.. or better yet the lack of.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: rocket on October 03, 2007, 02:40:37 PM
Hah, its bullshit and there is literally not a damn thing anybody can do about it.  What a brilliant little scheme they have running.  Jay shouldn't be blamed for the fact he won but he's already convinced himself of a bullshit excuse in that structural flaws comment.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: dearth on October 03, 2007, 02:57:27 PM
Agreed...Jim has done a great job this year.

As per the Olympia...I don't have a big problem other than the obvious...Wolf not getting a callout against Jay. Melvin even got compared to Jay (twice I believe) and ended up finishing BEHIND Wolf....

Other than that, I think the callouts were decent....other than the fan callouts which I would have liked for show appeal...


The fact that the head judge thought his repeated mispronunciation of Hidetada's name was funny (name isn't that difficult)
was insulting, not to mention it didn't really make the olympia seem like an "international" contest, even though it
supposed to be an international federation.

Rockell (or whoever is the head judge is) needs to make an effort to learn how to pronouce an olympia competitors name, i think Hide
deserved at least that much.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 03, 2007, 03:12:20 PM
Regardless about what some of you guys think about Bob being a "companyman" I know that there a many things that he doesn't like that he would like to see changed for the benefit of the pros, but he can only do so much.

Agree 100%.

Cicherillo is a genuine fan of BB from what I can tell. He himself got shafted in his career, had to watch as blocky BB's placed ahead of him.

Why would he all of a sudden change his opinion of bodybuilding?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: thisiskeith12 on October 03, 2007, 03:15:46 PM
Jay knew to win he would have to stay away from Dennis and Victor. The best man should win yes, but it's a also a game.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 03:27:12 PM
All the judges should bee selected by the athletes competing in any PRO IFBB event, JUST LIKE IN BOXING. The judges from this Mr.O should be suspended for 1year.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 03:44:25 PM
From 15 judges 5 will be selected, the list should include former BBs such Rich Gaspari, Scott Wilson, Samir Benout, Lee Labrada, Lee Haney, Ed Corny, Bob Chic, etc... 
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 03:52:32 PM
From 15 judges 5 will be selected, the list should include former BBs such Rich Gaspari, Scott Wilson, Samir Benout, Lee Labrada, Lee Haney, Ed Corny, Bob Chic, etc... 

Bob, Sean, Lee, Milos and the rest of IFBB members what do you think about my suggestion?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 03, 2007, 03:59:48 PM
From 15 judges 5 will be selected, the list should include former BBs such Rich Gaspari, Scott Wilson, Samir Benout, Lee Labrada, Lee Haney, Ed Corny, Bob Chic, etc... 

I think the idea is pretty good, but it has flaws.

The judges will mainly be picked based upon availability I'm afraid.

However, rotation of the judges, as Shawn Ray and Cicherillo have been talking about for years, ever since the DeMilia years, should definitely be considered.

It would be good to get some kind of rule written down perhaps on a minimum amounts of comparisons to be done in the top two callouts. Or something like that.

I dunno. Cicherillo can probably think something up.

But getting the BB's to be able to pick the judges themselves, I think that will be hard, economically.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 04:06:25 PM
Bob, Sean, Lee, Milos and the rest of IFBB members what do you think about my suggestion?


I think....there's no way I'm sitting my ass down for hours at a time to judge....it's a thankless job at best....you know, like being an athletes rep..! ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 04:10:33 PM
I think the idea is pretty good, but it has flaws.

The judges will mainly be picked based upon availability I'm afraid.

However, rotation of the judges, as Shawn Ray and Cicherillo have been talking about for years, ever since the DeMilia years, should definitely be considered.

It would be good to get some kind of rule written down perhaps on a minimum amounts of comparisons to be done in the top two callouts. Or something like that.

I dunno. Cicherillo can probably think something up.

But getting the BB's to be able to pick the judges themselves, I think that will be hard, economically.
, For the MrO, they can be chosen 30 days in advance and for the other shows the head judge at list.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on October 03, 2007, 04:23:24 PM
Nothing like a contest that will last like 5 hours.

Let's see:

10 guys calling 10 comparisons (8 poses)...maybe 3 minutes each...do the math...

Now - WHOEVER DOESN'T WANT TO SEE COMPARISONS can easily leave the building and come back for posing routines...True fans would watch - FOR HOURS...
I know as I would...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: The Squadfather on October 03, 2007, 04:24:29 PM
Let's see:

10 guys calling 10 comparisons (8 poses)...maybe 3 minutes each...do the math...

Now - WHOEVER DOESN'T WANT TO SEE COMPARISONS can easily leave the building and come back for posing routines...True fans would watch - FOR HOURS...
I know as I would...
i would have liked to see Hide compared to Dexter, also would have liked to see Ronnie Rockel compared to both Dexter and Hide.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 04:24:35 PM
I think....there's no way I'm sitting my ass down for hours at a time to judge....it's a thankless job at best....you know, like being an athletes rep..! ;D

That is OK you can stay as a athletes rep, I know you are doing your bets and I know how difficult is to pleas every body. This judging situation need to resolved soon is possible.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
 Urgent meeting need to be organized, the bbs have to speak out.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 03, 2007, 04:36:32 PM
Urgent meeting need to be organized, the bbs have to speak out.

Whenever Cicherillo tries to hold Athlete's meetings, pretty much noone shows up.

That's part of the problem.

Hopefully, there are other ways to go about this problem.

Lets look at the upside: The judging at the Olympia was really the first one this year that was total bullshit.

The judging in the other shows improved, due to the increased amount of comparisons.

Lets hope that this was a temporarily slip, and lets hope that the people involved will do whatever is possible to prevent it from ever happen again.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 04:40:04 PM
Lets not get to crazy people...other than Wolf not getting a direct comparison to Jay...I thought the comparisons were pretty good.

Whether or not some of you agree with those decisions is another matter...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 04:41:41 PM
Whenever Cicherillo tries to hold Athlete's meetings, pretty much noone shows up.

That's part of the problem.

Hopefully, there are other ways to go about this problem.

Lets look at the upside: The judging at the Olympia was really the first one this year that was total bullshit.

The judging in the other shows improved, due to the increased amount of comparisons.

Lets hope that this was a temporarily slip, and lets hope that the people involved will do whatever is possible to prevent it from ever happen again.

A official letter from Bob on the behalf of the IFBB athletes would get Jim`s attention.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 04:48:14 PM
Lets not get to crazy people...other than Wolf not getting a direct comparison to Jay...I thought the comparisons were pretty good.

Whether or not some of you agree with those decisions is another matter...

It is not about Wolf it is about the integrity of the sport, and was watched by millions around the world.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: knny187 on October 03, 2007, 04:50:26 PM
Chicks idea makes sense.

Melvin, who finished behind Wolf was compared to Jay.

There just needs to be more cross comparisons being made...espeically with guys they know are going to be top 5 or even top 7.  It wouldn't be that hard.









Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 05:13:56 PM
I think....there's no way I'm sitting my ass down for hours at a time to judge....it's a thankless job at best....you know, like being an athletes rep..!


Judges are far more disgusting than athlete's reps...  I mean look at "texasbubba" who lets his prepubescent daughter do stripper moves in front of adult audiences to a soundtrack of "this is why I'm hot".  I don't think you'd do something like that, Bob.  :-\
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 05:28:59 PM

Judges are far more disgusting than athlete's reps...  I mean look at "texasbubba" who lets his prepubescent daughter do stripper moves in front of adult audiences to a soundtrack of "this is why I'm hot".  I don't think you'd do something like that, Bob.  :-\

Well...better to  keep your pedo- self away from the kids cheerleading, gymnastics and fittness competitions seeing how you get turned on by it and see them as being sexual....

See you on "Dateline" next month...!
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2007, 05:30:49 PM
It is not about Wolf it is about the integrity of the sport, and was watched by millions thousands around the world.

fixed
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 05:32:36 PM
Well...better to  keep your pedo- self away from the kids cheerleading, gymnastics and fittness competitions seeing how you get turned on by it and see them as being sexual....

See you on "Dateline" next month...!


I think you were sticking up for the Bubba last time this subject came up as well.  Maybe you would let your kid do something like that.  SICK!  >:(
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 03, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
i thought boasting about 9,000 people in attendance was kind of lame too
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on October 03, 2007, 05:36:56 PM
i thought boasting about 9,000 people in attendance was kind of lame too

It would lame except for the fact that we used to get 5,000 people at the Olympia....I think bringing it up almost double in a few years is worth boasting about..
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: suckmymuscle on October 03, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
It would lame except for the fact that we used to get 5,000 people at the Olympia....I think bringing it up almost double in a few years is worth boasting about..

  I think that it's very sad that the premier professional bodybuilding show in the World can only attract that much people. There are little league baseball games that attract more people than that... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2007, 05:40:02 PM
It would lame except for the fact that we used to get 5,000 people at the Olympia....I think bringing it up almost double in a few years is worth boasting about..

I think it's funny all the people that predict doom and gloom for the pro ranks.

Attendance is up, prize money is up and there's a webcast now. These are good things.

Just gotta work on those placings a little
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2007, 05:40:56 PM
  I think that it's very sad that the premier professional bodybuilding show in the World can only attract that much people. There are little league baseball games that attract that much people... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE

It is what it is.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 05:41:02 PM
  I think that it's very sad that the premier professional bodybuilding show in the World can only attract that much people. There are little league baseball games that attract that much people... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE


There are definitely high school football games that attract that many in Texas.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 03, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
  I think that it's very sad that the premier professional bodybuilding show in the World can only attract that much people. There are little league baseball games that attract that much people... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE

how many do you estimate viewed the webcast live?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: HowieW on October 03, 2007, 05:42:06 PM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Milos makes a great point and it would make for a better show. I honestly think the lower tier shows do a BETTER job at call outs than the O. That is why I prefer them as a fan.
As for fan hype call outs I remember the awesome response when Manion called out Tom Prince vs Don Long at the end of the Hvy wt judging at the 95 NPC nationals. It really added to the show.
Real serious fans of this sport LOVE seeing good comparisons on stage.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: knny187 on October 03, 2007, 05:46:20 PM
I think it's funny all the people that predict doom and gloom for the pro ranks.

Attendance is up, prize money is up and there's a webcast now. These are good things.

Just gotta work on those placings a little

No...it's the Pro Womens Bodybuilding that going down hill......FAST
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: suckmymuscle on October 03, 2007, 05:49:55 PM
how many do you estimate viewed the webcast live?

  I'm talking about live attendance. If we go by how much people watched it overral, then we need to compare how many people watch sports like football and basketball overral. And guess what? Bodybuilding is still pathetic. :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2007, 05:56:58 PM
No...it's the Pro Womens Bodybuilding that going down hill......FAST

True

I consider myself a fan of BBing and i don't even know who's good, who's the champ, who's overrated.....none of that shit on the women's side.

They crossed the line about 10 years ago IMO
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
  I'm talking about live attendance. If we go by how much people watched it overral, then we need to compare how many people watch sports like football and basketball overral. And guess what? Bodybuilding is still pathetic. :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Is any investigation going on agent the judge penal? If yes who is doing the investigation.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Frank.T on October 03, 2007, 06:03:27 PM
In the end Wolf really didn't get shafted, the guy finished 5th in his second O for chrissakes.

And there ARE some issues with his physique, the most glaring of which is not being signed by Muscletech ;D

Totally disagree...from 1º to 3º he really deserved a spot.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=172274.50
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Frank.T on October 03, 2007, 06:07:36 PM
I have done it already with both victor and jay I will later do it with Ron and dex...but it’s crystal clear to me already...
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 06:08:20 PM
Is any investigation going on agent the judge penal? If yes who is doing the investigation.

What's to investigate?  Muscletech says "jay wins", so that's what the judges do...  simple.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: knny187 on October 03, 2007, 06:09:54 PM
True

I consider myself a fan of BBing and i don't even know who's good, who's the champ, who's overrated.....none of that shit on the women's side.

They crossed the line about 10 years ago IMO

Shit...I can barely tell you who is Ms Olympia, the contestants....or hell....even the Athlete's Rep
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: biceps on October 03, 2007, 06:11:40 PM
What's to investigate?  Muscletech says "jay wins", so that's what the judges do...  simple.

Bob you should have Jim M on next Monday interviewed on the live radio.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 06:12:56 PM
Bob you should have Jim M on next Monday interviewed on the live radio.


I think Manion still has the flu from last time he ducked a PBW interview.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: The Coach on October 03, 2007, 06:19:19 PM
Bottomline.........feder al investigation >:(
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 03, 2007, 06:21:26 PM
Bottomline.........federal investigation >:(


The feds couldn't give a shit.




Unless you can somehow work "steroids" into the whole thing, that is!  ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: HowieW on October 03, 2007, 06:24:30 PM
  I think that it's very sad that the premier professional bodybuilding show in the World can only attract that much people. There are little league baseball games that attract more people than that... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE

9000 in the sold out olympia audiance is a major jump. If you look at the size of the crowd in the movie pumping iron it was  just a few 100 . For some reason I still prefer/enjoy the smaller pro shows however.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: suckmymuscle on October 03, 2007, 06:27:20 PM
  If you look at the size of the crowd in the movie pumping iron it was  just a few 100.

  Yeah, and they were all muscle queens... :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: knny187 on October 03, 2007, 06:32:39 PM
Bob you should have Jim M on next Monday interviewed on the live radio.

I say the people would like him on




Bob....make it happen
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Peaking at 45 !!! on October 03, 2007, 06:37:04 PM
I think it's funny all the people that predict doom and gloom for the pro ranks.

Attendance is up, prize money is up and there's a webcast now. These are good things.

Just gotta work on those placings a little

Now thats being positive Groink !!!

I must confess I just shook my head when Mr. Manion told Milos that some of the judges may not have gotten the information about the new comparisons revision.

Maybe next time I'll have my 14 year old handle that. It seems too much of a crap shoot to have anyone in the IFBB handle it without screwing it up.

What a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    As Austin Powers would say: 'HONESTLY NOW" !!!!!!!!!!!     ::)
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 03, 2007, 06:44:55 PM
I think it's funny all the people that predict doom and gloom for the pro ranks.

Attendance is up, prize money is up and there's a webcast now. These are good things.

Just gotta work on those placings a little

Seems like bodybuilding is starting to find its place with the new media technology.

Deluca and the boys are doing a good job at exploring it.

Hopefully others will follow.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: George Whorewell on October 03, 2007, 07:02:14 PM
I think Wolf looked awesome- I would have had him 4th behind Jay Dex and Victor in no paticular order...

My only gripe is that comparison between him and Jay you guys keep showing of the front crab most muscular.

Wolf looks huge no doubt, but he beats Cutler in that shot mainly because Jay poses like a retard in that shot and doesnt push his traps forward. Hes been fucking up that pose for a couple of years now. If Jay executed it correctly I dont think Wolf beats him in that pose.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Forka on October 03, 2007, 07:03:05 PM
Milos-

I agree 100% with everything you just said....

I too, would like to know why there werent sufficient/ adaquate comparisons...ANYONE in the top 5 should be compared, and especially where there are cross-over comparisons  Ex: ( top 5 are called, next 5 are called...I want to see 4,5,6,7 called next...)

I would also like to see what I call "fan friendly" callouts when they are within reason....Johnnie Jackson and Melvin...Darrem and JOJ, and Melvin, etc....all lend to more exciting show.

Nice post Bob. I'm serious man, really nice post.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Forka on October 03, 2007, 08:01:48 PM
Totally disagree...from 1º to 3º he really deserved a spot.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=172274.50

Victors calf's looked much improved. Must be those...umm..seated calf raises   ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: EL Mariachi on December 02, 2007, 02:43:45 PM
Hi Bob,

Here we are again...
As you announced back in 2006 - you have received conformation from Mr. Jim Manion that starting with IRONMAN 2007 we will have MORE COMPARISONS and if I remember correctly you even used a term: top ten will all be crisscrossed and compared...

At the IRONMAN we had situation where hardly any comparisons took place and as you know - after the prejudging we had somewhat uncomfortable discussion with the judges...

That day Mr. Manion called me and when I asked him WHAT HAPPENED - he suggested that possibly some of the judges were NOT informed about this NEW POLICY (so much for putting things in writing - I guess?)

Well, after I must say pretty good year of NUMEROUS COMPARISONS in many shows (still not as many as expected - but definitely MORE THAN EVER) I was looking foreword to Mr. Olympia - FINAL CONTEST OF THE YEAR...SUPERBOWL OF BODYBUILDING...and being that prejudging is separated from the finals (on Friday night) - it was safe to assume that WE WILL HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO COMPARE each and every athlete even with their own shadows...if we had to...

How and why we didn't have MORE COMPARISONS and how and why some athletes were denied a chance to compete - it is a question I have to ask...

And while some people will suggest that I am talking about "my athletes" - I would like to say - all the athletes are "my athletes" (as just like you Bob - I do care for all the IFBB pros...so fact that I am maybe helping some in preparation doesn't mean I am now against any other...I only like to bring the best out of each and every guy and help them reach their full potential).

So, HOW (!?) for the love of God could IFBB judging panel NOT want to see Dennis Wolf standing right next to (rather: in between) Jay and Victor?
And how for example AC champion Johnnie Jackson was never compared with Melvin Anthony (as Melvin "predicted" at the press conference)...or Ronnie, Dexter, Jay...and how about my dear friend - Hidetada Yamagishi (who's sponsor organized large group of Japanese fans to come to Vegas and witness the history -as Hide is the very first Japanese bodybuilder to ever step on Mr. Olympia stage...just to realize - head judge didn't even know how to pronounce Hidetada's name, making fun of his mistakes...as he thought he is being funny mispronouncing Hidetada's name 5-6 times...).
Guests form Japan were deeply disturbed with that and I must say: rightfully so...

Could it be that after failing to remember his name judge decided NOT to call Hide for additional comparisons (I saw Hide worthy of being compared to his ex training partner Silvio, Gustavo, David H....etc)


When we are talking about THE OLYMPIA...Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia - as ULTIMATE CONTEST at the end of EVERY YEAR - which determines exactly WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER IN THE WORLD...we should have MORE comparisons than normally and certainly not less.

While there are many bellow average IFBB pros at some IFBB professional events - certain comparisons among the athletes are possibly NOT necessary (due to obvious difference in quality)...but Olympians are "special breed" and they are not there by accident...they earned their right to step on that stage through qualification process - as they had to prove themselves - competing and placing in the top 3 in some of the shows prior to Mr. O.

And if judges somehow overlook somebody on Friday...they could see some photos on the Internet (like the "instant replay")....review it... and maybe realize that some competitors DESERVE to be compared to otherwise "protected" champions...

Fans deserve to see it...the whole world does...but we are still not doing it?!?

When are you gonna bring back the money you own?
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: beatmaster on December 02, 2007, 02:49:53 PM
The only excuse that makes any sense for not comparing Dennis to Jay and Vic is that the judges knew that was a bad comparison for their bought champion.

look how wolf is dwarfing jay here! why do you think comparisons never took place? jay was already declared the winner before the show started!

perfect exemple why ifbb is a joke, stupid juges and owner.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on September 28, 2009, 08:04:02 PM
ok...time to revisit... ;D
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Matt C on September 28, 2009, 11:40:46 PM
ok...time to revisit... ;D

Wolf just needs to compete at every show as he looked in 2007.  If he can bring up his upper back thickness too, then great.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Determinator on September 29, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
I agree with what seemed to be lack of comparisons, with 6 guys at once etc. At the Arnold, if i recall correctly, they were worked a lot harder. The front runners where called out time and time again at that show. It should have been similar at the O.
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Chick on September 29, 2009, 12:50:17 PM
There is a fine line between enough comparisons, and beating them into the ground.

So far, I have yet to hear one single complaint from any of the athletes

I thought they had plenty of stage time, and enough crossover comparisons
Title: Re: BOB - WHAT HAPPENED WITH MORE COMPARISONS RULE?
Post by: Topskin69 on September 29, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
There is a fine line between enough comparisons, and beating them into the ground.

So far, I have yet to hear one single complaint from any of the athletes

I thought they had plenty of stage time, and enough crossover comparisons

You probably dont hear more "complaints" from the atheletes, because the atheletes are rather apethetic to change. You yourself said that everytime you tried to have an atheletes meeting, that no one would show up. Sadly I dont think that pointing out a lack of complaints is really saying all that much. They are unhappy with the status quo, but too lazy to do anything about it.

M!