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do you think, in some way the EU becoming like the SU?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU)
Former Soviet Dissident, Vladimir Bukovksy Warns For EU Dictatorship
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865)
Mr Bukovsky’s Brussels speech
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/system/files?file=bukovsky-speech.mp3 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/system/files?file=bukovsky-speech.mp3)
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I think some of the more established powers would like to dominate the EU, but I don't see it happening . . . once countries have had a taste of sovereignty, they're unlikely to give it up.
The EU is just like a bigger NAFTA . . . business benefits by fewer restrictions on cross-border business.
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Russia's becoming the new Soviet Union, what with Putin stamping out all political challengers and making it so he's going to be able to stay in power after his term runs out. ::)
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As an Englishman, I can tell you the EU is a socialistic con.
The French will tell you that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
The muslims will tell you: "thanks for the free money and housing infidel".
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The same could be asked about the USA.
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As an Englishman, I can tell you the EU is a socialistic con.
The French will tell you that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
The muslims will tell you: "thanks for the free money and housing infidel".
'we expect you to welcome us with open arms into your nice countries and to bend over backwards to please us but at the same time we will condemn your nations and way of life and even blow your civilians up and riot and destroy your cities but never mind that just refer to us as 'youths' in the media cause if you say 'muslims' then you are racists (just like hitler!!!!)'
hahhaahah
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I have what could be a stupid question and kind of irrelevant so excuse me plz ;D
I am not complaining, but why does the EU just gift blanket citizenship on some entire populations of Caribbean islands? It's great actually, we like it, but just curious as to why they do it?
So far they have granted many islands here like Anguilla, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos, Guadaloupe etc..
We are just getting citizenship served on a silver platter, why?
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As a dual citizen of the USA and an EU country I am not complaining. I love the living and economic freedom I have, though I currently live in Asia. If I want to work in Hungary I do that, if I want to work in Sweden I do that, if I want to work in Portugal I do that. I'm past caring about the politics of the whole issue; I have no influence over it anyway but I do like the benefits accorded to me.
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I don't like the EU. I really don't like the notion of an American Union. I don't really like anything that threatens the sovereign status of nations period.
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As an Englishman, I can tell you the EU is a socialistic con.
The French will tell you that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
The muslims will tell you: "thanks for the free money and housing infidel".
racist!!! :D
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I don't like the EU. I really don't like the notion of an American Union. I don't really like anything that threatens the sovereign status of nations period.
Nationhood is a young idea...barely 200 years old and it has given rise to the greatest horrors witnessed by humanity.
Patriotism=Nationalism=Tribalism= Primitive
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Nationhood is a young idea...barely 200 years old and it has given rise to the greatest horrors witnessed by humanity.
Patriotism=Nationalism=Tribalism= Primitive
Nationhood is not a young idea. there is a class of patriotism/nationalism that is primitive and they are probably the majority. They are fucking sheeple who grab their plastic flags and waive them when called upon. There is another class of patriot that is not by any means primitive. One world government and/or a NWO will be nothing less than global tryanny for all. Yes there should be a set of rules we all agree to follow, no there should not be at any time a one world governing system. That's the ultimate direction of these unions.
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Nationhood is not a young idea. there is a class of patriotism/nationalism that is primitive and they are probably the majority. They are fucking sheeple who grab their plastic flags and waive them when called upon. There is another class of patriot that is not by any means primitive. One world government and/or a NWO will be nothing less than global tryanny for all. Yes there should be a set of rules we all agree to follow, no there should not be at any time a one world governing system. That's the ultimate direction of these unions.
Agreed. But the EU was created in large part to be an economic competitor with Uncle Sam and I think it's doing that now;
Euro to U.S. Dollar Exchange Rate
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racist!!! :D
Refute me... ::)
CQ: It's because a lot of the islands were European owned.
Thats why we have a shitload of undesireable pakis in Britain, moroccans in France etc etc...
Berserker, you bash on about how a government could act 100% just and good, while on the otherhand tout nationalism.
Oh brother ::)
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Refute me... ::)
CQ: It's because a lot of the islands were European owned.
Thats why we have a shitload of undesireable pakis in Britain, moroccans in France etc etc...
Berserker, you bash on about how a government could act 100% just and good, while on the otherhand tout nationalism.
Oh brother ::)
I see after all this time and all the times we've done this over and over, you still haven't learned what the cheesy smilely is for... Save your unglued mode for when people are seriously attacking you. I answered your question twice in the other thread so I can't fathom what your beef is. And Nationalism is not a recipe for evil just because evil people use patrotic instincts in simple minded folk to do their bidding. Oh brother right back at ya ;)
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LOL I do apologize, when I was reading this thread the smiley image didn't load, it just said "cheesy".
"racist!!! cheesy" is how I saw it, I took this as meaning "typical post by you..." kinda way.
My apologies good Sir, may the Jews pay you well!
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LOL I do apologize, when I was reading this thread the smiley image didn't load, it just said "cheesy".
"racist!!! cheesy" is how I saw it, I took this as meaning "typical post by you..." kinda way.
My apologies good Sir, may the Jews pay you well!
;D
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I see after all this time and all the times we've done this over and over, you still haven't learned what the cheesy smilely is for... Save your unglued mode for when people are seriously attacking you. I answered your question twice in the other thread so I can't fathom what your beef is. And Nationalism is not a recipe for evil just because evil people use patrotic instincts in simple minded folk to do their bidding. Oh brother right back at ya ;)
Tribalism. Deny it if you want but that is what nationalism is.
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Tribalism. Deny it if you want but that is what nationalism is.
hmmm... well I guess that explains why I uncontrollably paint my face right after blowing my nose in the communal morning wash bowl :D So you're for a world without borders then? Probably all globalist, free trade type?
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So you're for a world without borders then? Probably all globalist, free trade type?
To be honest, that's how I see it going.
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hmmm... well I guess that explains why I uncontrollably paint my face right after blowing my nose in the communal morning wash bowl :D So you're for a world without borders then? Probably all globalist, free trade type?
Borders, yes. But our species needs to stop identifying itself by anything other than the individuals of which it is composed. Not Americans and Germans, not Muslims and Christians, not Republicans or Democrats. Homo sapiens and that's it. If we ever achieve that it will be the first step and then...we will work out the chinks...
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Borders, yes. But our species needs to stop identifying itself by anything other than the individuals of which it is composed. Not Americans and Germans, not Muslims and Christians, not Republicans or Democrats. Homo sapiens and that's it. If we ever achieve that it will be the first step and then...we will work out the chinks...
Well I agree for the most part. The individual is the most important part. The people, not the gov. The gov/nation should truely be a reflection of the people, it is not. The world is full of divide and rule paths that should be eliminated. All people should be equal.
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Borders, yes. But our species needs to stop identifying itself by anything other than the individuals of which it is composed. Not Americans and Germans, not Muslims and Christians, not Republicans or Democrats. Homo sapiens and that's it. If we ever achieve that it will be the first step and then...we will work out the chinks...
Yeah, I agree, China is definitely the problem!
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Yeah, I agree, China is definitely the problem!
Yuck, yuck, yuck... :D
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I have what could be a stupid question and kind of irrelevant so excuse me plz ;D
I am not complaining, but why does the EU just gift blanket citizenship on some entire populations of Caribbean islands? It's great actually, we like it, but just curious as to why they do it?
So far they have granted many islands here like Anguilla, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos, Guadaloupe etc..
We are just getting citizenship served on a silver platter, why?
Former colonies that are considered close to their past "owners".
It's that simple.
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As an Englishman, I can tell you the EU is a socialistic con.
The French will tell you that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
The muslims will tell you: "thanks for the free money and housing infidel".
I have to disagree.
The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.
They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.
Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.
The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.
Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.
This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.
Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.
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I have to disagree.
The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.
They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.
Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.
The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.
Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.
This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.
Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.
Just see where the dollar is now...oh boy.
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I have to disagree.
The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.
They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.
Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.
The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.
Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.
This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.
Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.
That doesn't explain how my statements are incorrect.
It's a con to be because the UK's rebate was nullyfied. The French farmers have an unfair share of wealth distribution.
Muslims are running riot.
How the fuck am I incorrect? ???
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That doesn't explain how my statements are incorrect.
It's a con to be because the UK's rebate was nullyfied. The French farmers have an unfair share of wealth distribution.
Muslims are running riot.
How the fuck am I incorrect? ???
You claim EU is a socialist con.
Most people would argue it's not.
EU is about the four freedoms - Free movement of capital, of persons, of goods and of services.
EU is deregulating the different markets in Europe.
Example: When the Euro was introduced, it meant transfers between countries became much easier.
Another example: trade barriers between countries within the EU don't exist anymore.
The market has become very competitive.
No offence NS, but your talking out of your ass on this one.
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Yeah, "most people" is practically the rest of Europe who love the EU, especially fringe countries like Sweden haha :D
I agree with free markets etc, but we've been financially robbed (Britain), rebate, farmer dinero etc. Note my first post. I specifically mentioned BRITAIN soley. Not Europeans in general.
"Socialist con" is obviously strong words to project my distaste at a few aspects of the EU. Do you want me to be "matter of fact" with everything? ???
The EU beaurocracy is a disgrace.
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Yeah, "most people" is practically the rest of Europe who love the EU, especially fringe countries like Sweden haha :D
I agree with free markets etc, but we've been financially robbed (Britain), rebate, farmer dinero etc. Note my first post. I specifically mentioned BRITAIN soley. Not Europeans in general.
"Socialist con" is obviously strong words to project my distaste at a few aspects of the EU. Do you want me to be "matter of fact" with everything? ???
The EU beaurocracy is a disgrace.
UK and Sweden has been strong allies in pretty much everything when it comes to EU.
So don't dis Sweden! >:(
Agree about the bureaucracy obviously. But the idea of EU in general is freedom of movement.
And the farming subsidizing is going down.
15 years ago it was 50 % of EU's budget.
It's not even close to that these days.
My point is, that some countries like to keep it the way they did it pre-EU.
Like France.
But then you're attacking the wrong target. It's not EU you should be pissed at. It should be certain member countries.
Keep it real. Norway Boy.
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lol, chill out swede, twas only joking :-*
And the farming subsidizing is going down.
So now you agree it's an issue? ;)
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lol, chill out swede, twas only joking :-*
So now you agree it's an issue? ;)
Fcuk yes. The farming subsidizing is the single most negative aspect of EU, and what's keeping EU from really taking off.
But the positives far outweigh the negatives, as far as trading, market and investment, environment and communications goes overall.
Eg, Paris-London TGV.
In 20 years, we'll probably have TGV's between most major big cities in EU.
Sure, I'm not too keen about religious extremists potentially getting a hold in Europe. But IMO, there's an awareness as of late. The public won't tolerate that our civic society gets threatened.
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The public is lazy, they will tolerate it until the end. :-\
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I'm totally apathetic to the E.U and I studied E.U law for a year.
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I'm totally apathetic to the E.U and I studied E.U law for a year.
Nice AMC... EU = future immigrant lawyer = enemy of the nordic superman :-*
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Nice AMC... EU = future immigrant lawyer = enemy of the nordic superman :-*
I'm feelin' the love, buddy.
I really am!
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Fcuk yes. The farming subsidizing is the single most negative aspect of EU, and what's keeping EU from really taking off.
But the positives far outweigh the negatives, as far as trading, market and investment, environment and communications goes overall.
Eg, Paris-London TGV.
In 20 years, we'll probably have TGV's between most major big cities in EU.
Sure, I'm not too keen about religious extremists potentially getting a hold in Europe. But IMO, there's an awareness as of late. The public won't tolerate that our civic society gets threatened.
But where is this mysterious Hedgehog from?
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But where is this mysterious Hedgehog from?
Finland.
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Finland.
Fascinating...Finnish is a cool language...
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He's Swedish (a Swede).
Unlike most modern humans who came from migrations out of Africa, the Swedish evolved from this organism:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Rootveg_rutabaga.jpg)
A great example of convergent evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
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He's Swedish (a Swede).
Unlike most modern humans who came from migrations out of Africa, the Swedish evolved from this organism:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Rootveg_rutabaga.jpg)
A great example of convergent evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
Jag pratar svenka bra!
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Jag pratar svenka bra!
You talk Swedish "well"? Are you saying you're a native Swede or from another Scandinavian country?
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You talk Swedish "well"? Are you saying you're a native Swede or from another Scandinavian country?
Nee, jag er eggi fra Sverige....
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Nee, jag er eggi fra Sverige....
Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.
For example Hedges English is bang on!
Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)
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Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.
For example Hedges English is bang on!
Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)
Actually of all the Scandinavian languages, my Icelandic is best...spent the most time with it as well as in Iceland. Island er moerg flott!
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Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.
For example Hedges English is bang on!
Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)
Me no entiendes 8)
Viva Che! ;D
On a (slightly) more serious note: NS, if you ever get the time, you should look into how Blair's sold his political soul and ideas to Murdoch, trading it to become PM basically.
In the mid-90's, before Blair even was the leader of Labour, he went down to Oz, courtesy of Murdoch, held a speech at a Murdoch event, saying all the right things about Thatcher and Reagan.
Which is a little surprising, considering Blair was Labour.
The day after, Murdoch wrote an editorial praising Blair in The Sun, and the rest is history.
Blair de-regulated the media laws, enabling Murdoch to launch BSkyB to monopoly on the sports PPV broadcasting in the late 90s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sky_Broadcasting
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Me no entiendes 8)
Viva Che! ;D
On a (slightly) more serious note: NS, if you ever get the time, you should look into how Blair's sold his political soul and ideas to Murdoch, trading it to become PM basically.
In the mid-90's, before Blair even was the leader of Labour, he went down to Oz, courtesy of Murdoch, held a speech at a Murdoch event, saying all the right things about Thatcher and Reagan.
Which is a little surprising, considering Blair was Labour.
The day after, Murdoch wrote an editorial praising Blair in The Sun, and the rest is history.
Blair de-regulated the media laws, enabling Murdoch to launch BSkyB to monopoly on the sports PPV broadcasting in the late 90s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sky_Broadcasting
Pratar Du Svenska, Igelkott?
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Pratar Du Svenska, Igelkott?
Is Bethany Howlett-Carter's IQ 191? 8)
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Hedge, why did you chose upon "Hedgehog" instead of "igelkott", igelkott sounds cooler.
Is there a story behind you name?
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Hedge, why did you chose upon "Hedgehog" instead of "igelkott", igelkott sounds cooler.
Is there a story behind you name?
A very intelligent man once suggested it for me.
Lets leave it at that.
8)
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A very intelligent man once suggested it for me.
Lets leave it at that.
8)
Det er bra! ;D