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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2007, 03:49:06 PM »
As an Englishman, I can tell you the EU is a socialistic con.

The French will tell you that it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The muslims will tell you: "thanks for the free money and housing infidel".

I have to disagree.

The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.

They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.

Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.

The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.

Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.

This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.

Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2007, 04:36:35 PM »
I have to disagree.

The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.

They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.

Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.

The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.

Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.

This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.

Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.


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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2007, 03:40:21 AM »
I have to disagree.

The main critisism of EU comes from the political left, who believe EU is a threat to laborers unions, to regulations in different work sectors.

They argue that EU has become an neo-liberal economic experiment, a capitalist experiment where the lowest bidder will win.

Some economical analysists have a slightly different perspective on labor unions, and actually sees them as a vital part in making capitalism function.

The argument for strong labor unions is that Europe will never be able to compete with low prices, since there will always be a country in the world where lower wages can be offered. So the only thing that Europe can compete with is high competence.

Meaning that if unions are allowed to keep up wages, ineffective companies will fold, and only the strong will survive.

This is how some economical analysists generally explains the idea of a strong union.

Of course, some economical thinkers opposes the idea of unions altogether.

That doesn't explain how my statements are incorrect.

It's a con to be because the UK's rebate was nullyfied. The French farmers have an unfair share of wealth distribution.

Muslims are running riot.

How the fuck am I incorrect? ???
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2007, 08:57:09 AM »
That doesn't explain how my statements are incorrect.

It's a con to be because the UK's rebate was nullyfied. The French farmers have an unfair share of wealth distribution.

Muslims are running riot.

How the fuck am I incorrect? ???

You claim EU is a socialist con.

Most people would argue it's not.

EU is about the four freedoms - Free movement of capital, of persons, of goods and of services.

EU is deregulating the different markets in Europe.

Example: When the Euro was introduced, it meant transfers between countries became much easier.

Another example: trade barriers between countries within the EU don't exist anymore.

The market has become very competitive.

No offence NS, but your talking out of your ass on this one.
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2007, 09:08:36 AM »
Yeah, "most people" is practically the rest of Europe who love the EU, especially fringe countries like Sweden haha :D

I agree with free markets etc, but we've been financially robbed (Britain), rebate, farmer dinero etc. Note my first post. I specifically mentioned BRITAIN soley. Not Europeans in general.

"Socialist con" is obviously strong words to project my distaste at a few aspects of the EU. Do you want me to be "matter of fact" with everything? ???

The EU beaurocracy is a disgrace.
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2007, 09:14:15 AM »
Yeah, "most people" is practically the rest of Europe who love the EU, especially fringe countries like Sweden haha :D

I agree with free markets etc, but we've been financially robbed (Britain), rebate, farmer dinero etc. Note my first post. I specifically mentioned BRITAIN soley. Not Europeans in general.

"Socialist con" is obviously strong words to project my distaste at a few aspects of the EU. Do you want me to be "matter of fact" with everything? ???

The EU beaurocracy is a disgrace.

UK and Sweden has been strong allies in pretty much everything when it comes to EU.

So don't dis Sweden! >:(

Agree about the bureaucracy obviously. But the idea of EU in general is freedom of movement.

And the farming subsidizing is going down.

15 years ago it was 50 % of EU's budget.

It's not even close to that these days.

My point is, that some countries like to keep it the way they did it pre-EU.

Like France.

But then you're attacking the wrong target. It's not EU you should be pissed at. It should be certain member countries.

Keep it real. Norway Boy.
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2007, 09:33:28 AM »
lol, chill out swede, twas only joking :-*

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And the farming subsidizing is going down.

So now you agree it's an issue? ;)
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2007, 06:43:09 AM »
lol, chill out swede, twas only joking :-*

So now you agree it's an issue? ;)

Fcuk yes. The farming subsidizing is the single most negative aspect of EU, and what's keeping EU from really taking off.

But the positives far outweigh the negatives, as far as trading, market and investment, environment and communications goes overall.

Eg, Paris-London TGV.

In 20 years, we'll probably have TGV's between most major big cities in EU.

Sure, I'm not too keen about religious extremists potentially getting a hold in Europe. But IMO, there's an awareness as of late. The public won't tolerate that our civic society gets threatened.
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2007, 06:58:32 AM »
The public is lazy, they will tolerate it until the end. :-\
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2007, 10:26:31 AM »
I'm totally apathetic to the E.U and I studied E.U law for a year.

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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2007, 11:34:13 AM »
I'm totally apathetic to the E.U and I studied E.U law for a year.

Nice AMC... EU = future immigrant lawyer =  enemy of the nordic superman :-*
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2007, 12:24:06 AM »
Nice AMC... EU = future immigrant lawyer =  enemy of the nordic superman :-*

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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2007, 06:26:13 AM »
Fcuk yes. The farming subsidizing is the single most negative aspect of EU, and what's keeping EU from really taking off.

But the positives far outweigh the negatives, as far as trading, market and investment, environment and communications goes overall.

Eg, Paris-London TGV.

In 20 years, we'll probably have TGV's between most major big cities in EU.

Sure, I'm not too keen about religious extremists potentially getting a hold in Europe. But IMO, there's an awareness as of late. The public won't tolerate that our civic society gets threatened.

But where is this mysterious Hedgehog from?
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2007, 06:31:09 AM »
But where is this mysterious Hedgehog from?

Finland.

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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2007, 06:32:02 AM »
Finland.

Fascinating...Finnish is a cool language...
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2007, 07:18:48 AM »
He's Swedish (a Swede).

Unlike most modern humans who came from migrations out of Africa, the Swedish evolved from this organism:



A great example of convergent evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2007, 07:22:01 AM »
He's Swedish (a Swede).

Unlike most modern humans who came from migrations out of Africa, the Swedish evolved from this organism:



A great example of convergent evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution

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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2007, 07:38:30 AM »
Jag pratar svenka bra!

You talk Swedish "well"? Are you saying you're a native Swede or from another Scandinavian country?
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2007, 07:40:51 AM »
You talk Swedish "well"? Are you saying you're a native Swede or from another Scandinavian country?

Nee, jag er eggi fra Sverige....
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2007, 07:55:44 AM »
Nee, jag er eggi fra Sverige....

Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.

For example Hedges English is bang on!

Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2007, 07:59:36 AM »
Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.

For example Hedges English is bang on!

Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)

Actually of all the Scandinavian languages, my Icelandic is best...spent the most time with it as well as in Iceland. Island er moerg flott!
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2007, 09:09:46 PM »
Nice, what impresses me about the Scandinavian natives and the Dutch is their grasp of English.

For example Hedges English is bang on!

Some of his political stances need some work tho! ;)

Me no entiendes  8)

Viva Che! ;D


On a (slightly) more serious note: NS, if you ever get the time, you should look into how Blair's sold his political soul and ideas to Murdoch, trading it to become PM basically.

In the mid-90's, before Blair even was the leader of Labour, he went down to Oz, courtesy of Murdoch, held a speech at a Murdoch event, saying all the right things about Thatcher and Reagan.

Which is a little surprising, considering Blair was Labour.

The day after, Murdoch wrote an editorial praising Blair in The Sun, and the rest is history.

Blair de-regulated the media laws, enabling Murdoch to launch BSkyB to monopoly on the sports PPV broadcasting in the late 90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sky_Broadcasting
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2007, 09:20:27 PM »
Me no entiendes  8)

Viva Che! ;D


On a (slightly) more serious note: NS, if you ever get the time, you should look into how Blair's sold his political soul and ideas to Murdoch, trading it to become PM basically.

In the mid-90's, before Blair even was the leader of Labour, he went down to Oz, courtesy of Murdoch, held a speech at a Murdoch event, saying all the right things about Thatcher and Reagan.

Which is a little surprising, considering Blair was Labour.

The day after, Murdoch wrote an editorial praising Blair in The Sun, and the rest is history.

Blair de-regulated the media laws, enabling Murdoch to launch BSkyB to monopoly on the sports PPV broadcasting in the late 90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sky_Broadcasting

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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2007, 05:49:23 AM »
Pratar Du Svenska, Igelkott?

Is Bethany Howlett-Carter's IQ 191?  8)
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Re: The European Union - the New Soviet?
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2007, 06:39:45 AM »
Hedge, why did you chose upon "Hedgehog" instead of "igelkott", igelkott sounds cooler.

Is there a story behind you name?
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