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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: gettinhuge on October 04, 2007, 04:56:28 PM
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Well she came CLEAR.........PUN intended.
Marion Jones admitted using steroids before the 2000 Olympics in a recent letter to close family and friends, The Washington Post reported Thursday.
Jones, a triple gold medalist in Sydney, said she took "the clear" for two years, beginning in 1999, and that she got it from former coach Trevor Graham, the newspaper reported. Graham told her it was flaxseed oil.
"The clear" is a performance-enhancing drug linked to BALCO, the lab at the center of a federal steroids investigation. Until now, Jones had steadfastly denied she ever took any kind of performance-enhancing drugs.
Jones also said she will plead guilty Friday in New York to two counts of lying to federal agents about her drug use and an unrelated financial matter, the Post reported.
The admission could cost Jones the five medals she won at the Sydney Olympics. Though she fell short of her goal of winning five gold medals, she came away with three and two bronzes and was one of the games' biggest stars.
But her career has been tarnished by doping allegations since then. Victor Conte, head of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, repeatedly has accused Jones of doping.
Jones was one of several athletes to testify in 2003 before a San Francisco federal grand jury that's investigating BALCO, and former boyfriend Tim Montgomery was given a two-year ban for doping in late 2005.
In December 2004, the International Olympic Committee opened an investigation into doping allegations against Jones.
Last year, a Jones urine sample tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug EPO. Jones immediately quit a European track tour and returned to the United States. Although she was cleared when a backup sample tested negative, she missed at least five major international meets, forfeiting an estimated $300,000 in appearance and performance fees.
In her letter, Jones said she'd used performance-enhancing drugs until she stopped training with Graham at the end of 2002. She said she lied when federal agents questioned her in 2003, panicking when they presented her with a sample of "the clear," which she recognized as the substance Graham had given her.
"Red flags should have been raised when he told me not to tell anyone," the Post reported, quoting the letter.
Graham was indicted in the BALCO case last November on three counts of lying to federal agents. He has pleaded not guilty, and a trial is set for Nov. 26,
A woman who answered the phone at Graham's home in Raleigh, N.C., declined to identify herself, but said Graham was not home before refusing to answer any other questions. There was no answer at the door of Graham's north Raleigh home on Thursday.
The Post also reported that in her letter, Jones said she lied about a $25,000 check given to her by Montgomery, who pleaded guilty in New York this year as part of a multimillion-dollar bank fraud and money-laundering scheme. Jones' former agent, Charles Wells, and coach, Steven Riddick, were also part of the scheme.
Documents filed in a federal court in Manhattan show that Jones received the check from a Virginia man who prosecutors have accused of enlisting friends and business partners to help launder the proceeds of the multimillion-dollar plot.
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The money was drawn on an account established with one of $5 million worth of stolen, forged or doctored checks that investigators said the conspiracy attempted to cash over three years.
Though Jones told investigators she knew nothing about the check, the Post reported that she said in her letter that Montgomery told her it was from the 2005 sale of a refurbished vehicle and was partial payment for $50,000 she had loaned him.
"Once again, I panicked," the Post reported. "I did not want my name associated with this mess. I wanted to stay as far away as possible."
In her prime, Jones was one of track's first female millionaires, typically earning between $70,000 and $80,000 a race, plus at least another $1 million from race bonuses and endorsement deals.
In 2000-01, she competed in 21 international events, including the Sydney Olympics, where she won five medals - three gold
"I want to apologize for all of this," the newspaper reported, quoting a person who received a copy of Jones' letter and read it to the paper. "I am sorry for disappointing you all in so many ways."
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income tax charge
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Didn't she train with Milos & the advice of Victor Conte?
;D
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Didn't she train with Milos & the advice of Victor Conte?
;D
indeed she did.
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Didn't she train with Milos & the advice of Victor Conte?
;D
I remember a training article on Tim Montgomery in Flex Magazine featuring Milos Sarcev.
Mentioned the use of "ZMA".
The worst thing about that whole mess, is how dishonest they are.
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who cares and tell me the other girls were not running something.
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I remember a training article on Tim Montgomery in Flex Magazine featuring Milos Sarcev.
Mentioned the use of "ZMA".
The worst thing about that whole mess, is how dishonest they are.
haha i remember that one too.
:D
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I remember a training article on Tim Montgomery in Flex Magazine featuring Milos Sarcev.
Mentioned the use of "ZMA".
The worst thing about that whole mess, is how dishonest they are.
Yeah...I remember it too & thats why I said what I did. They went on & on how they were helping her prepare.
Milos, Victor Conte, & Balko Labs.
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who cares and tell me the other girls were not running something.
Exactly. I bet Tiger Woods is on juice too. Every athlete juices...
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Exactly. I bet Tiger Woods is on juice too. Every athlete juices...
of course...golf players use beta blockers among lots of other shit.
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She's probably been using her entire career...though she only claims it was for 2 years
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She's probably been using her entire career...though she only claims it was for 2 years
def lying. she would never run sub 11 without some kind of drugs.
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there needs to be something that an athlete can say that is something like
"I will deny this shit until I am legally unable to"
because seriously the get up in front of the mic and deny, deny and deny and claim innocence
then later on beg for forgiveness after the Feds/IRS corners them
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I remember a training article on Tim Montgomery in Flex Magazine featuring Milos Sarcev.
Mentioned the use of "ZMA".
The worst thing about that whole mess, is how dishonest they are.
how so? what are they suppose to say?
"we are guilty, now take back the millions and limit my future earnings"
But I understand what you mean...I remember her infront of the mic crying and saying that all this is false and people are just out to hurt her good name and how hard she has worked and trained...very convincing
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the list is very long ,,many famous names,,many not famous names,,,10s of thousand orders of over 5000us $ each! repetevly for years from same adresses for distribution purposes ,,10s of thousand orders of 500-1000 us $ cheap change for the poor personal user who got scrwed over and over by the distributers of this junk
as i said before the personal usr has nothing to worry with his 500$ once a whileorders its the distributers who need to close shop and dissapear for ever from this field because the dea is after them big time!,,if dea wanted to bust you personal users they would show up in the o to begin with and before hand go to skippi's residence for detention and interogation,,but skippi is not important enough nor is jason or any bodybuilder because it is considered cult/entertainment and not sport for the dea same as wwf,,
the ones who need to worry are the famous name who will get busted by the dosens and i aint joking here,,marion jons is only the beggining,,if i was lance armstrong i dstart packing,,if i were football player nfl id start looking behind me every couple days,,if i was a famous basketball player id look for a good lawyer and put money and time before hand on the subject since there are records now,,dea dont need your place to be full of things when they arrive to famous athletes ,,dea find other reasons and withnesses the underground garbage distributers you befriended.. to confirm the big athlete use and testify againt them in court,,house can be clean it wont matter,,,dea gets what it wants and now it wats famous athletes and all the underground disributers in usa,,the athletes are to set example for the youth thats the only reason dea is interested in them but they will still be busted
gh15 recomendation for famous bodybuilders right now : get off,,clean house,,stay off for a while completely off ,,or move to country that hormones are not controlled like melvin did before o,,you can also get doctors presicibing you but stay off the underground scense you hear me skipi...i hope you do,,this is also to all gurus around since i like most,,infact dont use this garbage anymore
it is code red for bodybuilders on usa grounds,,starting today october 5 ,,do not order undergr9ound domestic usa you are left alone because there is no need for you and you let be but dont wave it in the face of dea because you will get busted,,the people you talk to through emails are not the ones you think you do,,trust me on that one
group of bodybuilders now in usa = watched with no action taken,,keep it this way
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there needs to be something that an athlete can say that is something like
"I will deny this shit until I am legally unable to"
because seriously the get up in front of the mic and deny, deny and deny and claim innocence
then later on beg for forgiveness after the Feds/IRS corners them
her life has been a big lie since the mid 90s.
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her life has been a big lie since the mid 90s.
marion jons is one of the worst athletes in usa history,,nothing that wil be remembered,,a felon,,and worst a liar!
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Its just "flax seed oil" is what i tell myself before every injection... :P
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Exactly. I bet Tiger Woods is on juice too. Every athlete juices...
LMAO!
Yeah, Justin Leonard is such a beast it's scary...
And that Greg Maddux...he's just a complete monster...
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This is a surprise? She was tripping over her dick running...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=173072.0;attach=201100)
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the list is very long ,,many famous names,,many not famous names,,,10s of thousand orders of over 5000us $ each! repetevly for years from same adresses for distribution purposes ,,10s of thousand orders of 500-1000 us $ cheap change for the poor personal user who got scrwed over and over by the distributers of this junk
as i said before the personal usr has nothing to worry with his 500$ once a whileorders its the distributers who need to close shop and dissapear for ever from this field because the dea is after them big time!,,if dea wanted to bust you personal users they would show up in the o to begin with and before hand go to skippi's residence for detention and interogation,,but skippi is not important enough nor is jason or any bodybuilder because it is considered cult/entertainment and not sport for the dea same as wwf,,
the ones who need to worry are the famous name who will get busted by the dosens and i aint joking here,,marion jons is only the beggining,,if i was lance armstrong i dstart packing,,if i were football player nfl id start looking behind me every couple days,,if i was a famous basketball player id look for a good lawyer and put money and time before hand on the subject since there are records now,,dea dont need your place to be full of things when they arrive to famous athletes ,,dea find other reasons and withnesses the underground garbage distributers you befriended.. to confirm the big athlete use and testify againt them in court,,house can be clean it wont matter,,,dea gets what it wants and now it wats famous athletes and all the underground disributers in usa,,the athletes are to set example for the youth thats the only reason dea is interested in them but they will still be busted
gh15 recomendation for famous bodybuilders right now : get off,,clean house,,stay off for a while completely off ,,or move to country that hormones are not controlled like melvin did before o,,you can also get doctors presicibing you but stay off the underground scense you hear me skipi...i hope you do,,this is also to all gurus around since i like most,,infact dont use this garbage anymore
it is code red for bodybuilders on usa grounds,,starting today october 5 ,,do not order undergr9ound domestic usa you are left alone because there is no need for you and you let be but dont wave it in the face of dea because you will get busted,,the people you talk to through emails are not the ones you think you do,,trust me on that one
group of bodybuilders now in usa = watched with no action taken,,keep it this way
This is a serious post. Do you think this is because Bush wants to go out with somekind of victory to speak of before he leaves. I mean hes a HUGE failure in every possible way....
Its too easy to pick on the obvious drug users, iguess.
Im glad Im drugfree!!!
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the list is very long ,,many famous names,,many not famous names,,,10s of thousand orders of over 5000us $ each! repetevly for years from same adresses for distribution purposes ,,10s of thousand orders of 500-1000 us $ cheap change for the poor personal user who got scrwed over and over by the distributers of this junk
as i said before the personal usr has nothing to worry with his 500$ once a whileorders its the distributers who need to close shop and dissapear for ever from this field because the dea is after them big time!,,if dea wanted to bust you personal users they would show up in the o to begin with and before hand go to skippi's residence for detention and interogation,,but skippi is not important enough nor is jason or any bodybuilder because it is considered cult/entertainment and not sport for the dea same as wwf,,
the ones who need to worry are the famous name who will get busted by the dosens and i aint joking here,,marion jons is only the beggining,,if i was lance armstrong i dstart packing,,if i were football player nfl id start looking behind me every couple days,,if i was a famous basketball player id look for a good lawyer and put money and time before hand on the subject since there are records now,,dea dont need your place to be full of things when they arrive to famous athletes ,,dea find other reasons and withnesses the underground garbage distributers you befriended.. to confirm the big athlete use and testify againt them in court,,house can be clean it wont matter,,,dea gets what it wants and now it wats famous athletes and all the underground disributers in usa,,the athletes are to set example for the youth thats the only reason dea is interested in them but they will still be busted
gh15 recomendation for famous bodybuilders right now : get off,,clean house,,stay off for a while completely off ,,or move to country that hormones are not controlled like melvin did before o,,you can also get doctors presicibing you but stay off the underground scense you hear me skipi...i hope you do,,this is also to all gurus around since i like most,,infact dont use this garbage anymore
it is code red for bodybuilders on usa grounds,,starting today october 5 ,,do not order undergr9ound domestic usa you are left alone because there is no need for you and you let be but dont wave it in the face of dea because you will get busted,,the people you talk to through emails are not the ones you think you do,,trust me on that one
group of bodybuilders now in usa = watched with no action taken,,keep it this way
Paranoid?
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who cares and tell me the other girls were not running something.
True.
Which begs the question of why our society looks up to and celebrates these people. I don’t mean to mock the sport (or sports in general) but is running very fast really an accomplishment in life?
I was raised to aim higher. ::)
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True.
Which begs the question of why our society looks up to and celebrates these people. I don’t mean to mock the sport (or sports in general) but is running very fast really an accomplishment in life?
I was raised to aim higher. ::)
I'd say it's about breaking barriers of human possibilities.
Is having big muscles a great accomplishment? Not really.
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I was raised to aim higher. ::)
yes, being a sex addict is a much higher calling ::)
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Drug use is fine in my book, but don't be a lying cunt about it...
She deserves all the drama and crap she brought into her life... Lying to a federal grand jury... not a good idea!
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Drug use is fine in my book, but don't be a lying #### about it...
She deserves all the drama and crap she brought into her life... Lying to a federal grand jury... not a good idea!
so when they first accused her she should have said yes? ::)
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So you condone lying to a grand jury?
Not a smart man......
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Drug use is fine in my book, but don't be a lying #### about it...
She deserves all the drama and crap she brought into her life... Lying to a federal grand jury... not a good idea!
haha, What an idiot. I love these people. Just dirtbags. "Everyone is cheating though." Quit your crying and man the fuck up, or don't get caught..haha
I find it hysterical when the shit hits the fan for them. I'm sure most feel the same. It's human nature to enjoy someone getting shanked...gotta love it.
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Holy crap it was just on the news here and they had a pic of her with her trainer and.........Milos :o.I think there was a bottle of snake oil in her hand as well :o!!!
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(http://www.snac.com/images/athletes/13_lg.jpg)
When you train with Milos, you get nothing but the best...drugs.
(http://www.snac.com/images/victor/17_lg.jpg)
I like Conte. Former bass player for Tower of Power/Herbie Hancock. The guy must have some chops and unlike the bodybuilding world, talent. ;)
I find it amusing Conte had to roll over on everyone. The truth can be a bitch.
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Are you guys that stupid? These guys and gals on the Olympic level are word class athletes. When you get to a certain point you need more than just your natural talent and "legal" supplements to take you to another level. I see nothing that she did or any other athlete that does this as "wrong". They know they are breaking the law and the rules. It's a chance worth taking with fame and riches as results if successful. Pull your heads out of the ground. We as humans are constantly looking for evolvement. Sports is no diffferent and performance enhancing drugs are our tools.....deal with it.
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whats funny is the olympics are the strictest organization when it comes to testing yet athletes pass these test. yet, people think that the NFL is drug free and only baseball players juice. ahahhahha
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Sup there Big_Wiggs, I think most people know that a very high % (Not All but a VERY high %) of top level athletes are on gear of some form or another. Look at the TourDeFrance this year, a complete shambles. But with the money involved i cannot say that i blame them, I am a nattie for life but if I was at the top of my sport and needed an extra 5% to make me a Million dollars plus a year.....i would most likely do it too :-\. And the thing is even though we all know these people are "on" it is rarely proven, so when it does come out it's normally big news :o.
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No surprise really. I mean her husband was found to be juicing. Theres probably some form of doping in nearly every sport. And a bodybuilding contest would be cleaner than a world class track and field meet. Well maybe not, but pretty close to it anyway.
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"all" worldclass track and fielders use drugs. americans for many years pointed fingers at the east germans, the soviets etc.....but they were just as big cheats as the rest of em. its human nature.
carl lewis was just as big cheater as ben johnson....but unlike ben the us track and field association covered up for him (and many other athletes...) as opposed to the canadian federation.
marion would never run sub 11s without illegal drugs in her system. of course she is a talented athlete but you need drugs to get to the top and stay there.
i think marion has had suicide thoughts on many occasions.
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another american cheat..
i love it when you americans all go crying and sooking when your athletes get caught and then claim that everyone else is using so its ok...isnt barry bonds still playing baseball and breaking records abd bettering performances set by players who definitely didnt cheat?..and yet he's still paid and still adored..what a joke.
it makes the rest of the world suspect every thing a US athlete does and ruins it for those who are truly gifted genetic freaks.
all this crap in this thread about how others were using....if you dont get caught, you either know how to use or dont use. Funny how you think that its the former...nice trust and pride in your fellow americans!..
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another american cheat..
i love it when you americans all go crying and sooking when your athletes get caught and then claim that everyone else is using so its ok...isnt barry bonds still playing baseball and breaking records abd bettering performances set by players who definitely didnt cheat?..and yet he's still paid and still adored..what a joke.
it makes the rest of the world suspect every thing a US athlete does and ruins it for those who are truly gifted genetic freaks.
all this crap in this thread about how others were using....if you dont get caught, you either know how to use or dont use. Funny how you think that its the former...nice trust and pride in your fellow americans!..
many of the american female track and field athletes have been sexually abused and their athletic bodies have been exploited by trainers who have pimped em out.
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Are you guys that stupid? These guys and gals on the Olympic level are word class athletes. When you get to a certain point you need more than just your natural talent and "legal" supplements to take you to another level. I see nothing that she did or any other athlete that does this as "wrong". They know they are breaking the law and the rules. It's a chance worth taking with fame and riches as results if successful. Pull your heads out of the ground. We as humans are constantly looking for evolvement. Sports is no diffferent and performance enhancing drugs are our tools.....deal with it.
Word. :-\
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I remember a training article on Tim Montgomery in Flex Magazine featuring Milos Sarcev.
Mentioned the use of "ZMA".
The worst thing about that whole mess, is how dishonest they are.
How dishonnest they are? that doesn't surprise me anymore. some of these world class athlete a.k.a Dummies even have the nerve to blame it on "Flax seed oil", hahaha....when will those dummies learn that people don't fcuking believe in these "I thought it was flax seed oil bullshit anymore". Common denominator is athlete will always lie untill they get caught red handed.
P.S- Barry Bond said he thought he was taking flaxeed oil also. sound familiar?
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(http://www.snac.com/images/athletes/13_lg.jpg)
When you train with Milos, you get nothing but the best...drugs.
(http://www.snac.com/images/victor/17_lg.jpg)
I like Conte. Former bass player for Tower of Power/Herbie Hancock. The guy must have some chops and unlike the bodybuilding world, talent. ;)
I find it amusing Conte had to roll over on everyone. The truth can be a bitch.
are you fcuking serious? Conte is also a musician. If he played with the great Herbie Hancock, then this Mofo got some serious Chops.
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another american cheat..
i love it when you americans all go crying and sooking when your athletes get caught and then claim that everyone else is using so its ok...isnt barry bonds still playing baseball and breaking records abd bettering performances set by players who definitely didnt cheat?..and yet he's still paid and still adored..what a joke.
it makes the rest of the world suspect every thing a US athlete does and ruins it for those who are truly gifted genetic freaks.
all this crap in this thread about how others were using....if you dont get caught, you either know how to use or dont use. Funny how you think that its the former...nice trust and pride in your fellow americans!..
why you get your anger on the poor fellas of getbig? they been educated and 99% of them know exactly who use,,you should put your anger twards those people of the other internet boards and in the real life that still buy books and products promoted and written by one of the biggest cheats and major liar in bodybuilding history skip lacour that made a big career lying about hormone use and using it all along yet still pull it...now this is a talent! then again no one cares they care about marion and ben jonson and that red head clown cyclist i forgot his name and the likes,,you got people to date competing in MUSCLE MANIA AND TEAM UNIVERE THAT SAY THEY ARE NATURAL AND ARE MORE HORMONIZED THAN TEAM IFBB ;) ATLEAST TEAM IFBB ADMITS TO THE USE OF HORMONES EVEB IF STAYS QUIET ABOUT IT,,YOU JUST CANT HAVE RESPECT TWARDS BODYBUILDERS SUCH AS LACOUR AND JEFF AND MANY MANY OTHERS THAT LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH
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why you get your anger on the poor fellas of getbig? they been educated and 99% of them know exactly who use,,you should put your anger twards those people of the other internet boards and in the real life that still buy books and products promoted and written by one of the biggest cheats and major liar in bodybuilding history skip lacour that made a big career lying about hormone use and using it all along yet still pull it...now this is a talent! then again no one cares they care about marion and ben jonson and that red head clown cyclist i forgot his name and the likes,,you got people to date competing in MUSCLE MANIA AND TEAM UNIVERE THAT SAY THEY ARE NATURAL AND ARE MORE HORMONIZED THAN TEAM IFBB ;) ATLEAST TEAM IFBB ADMITS TO THE USE OF HORMONES EVEB IF STAYS QUIET ABOUT IT,,YOU JUST CANT HAVE RESPECT TWARDS BODYBUILDERS SUCH AS LACOUR AND JEFF AND MANY MANY OTHERS THAT LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH
wow... i really thought lacour and jeff were natural .. guess not :-\
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wow... i really thought lacour and jeff were natural .. guess not :-\
of course not.
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Flaxseed oil.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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who cares and tell me the other girls were not running something.
I agree, either bust 'em all or leave it alone.
However, at least somebody finally told the truth . Sadly, being honest about roids ends your career, while those that lie and play the game reap the rewards.
IF it were up to me I would let them do "whatever" in terms of drug use and keep it honest.
I used to be in favor of drug testing in BB and sports overall. However, for practical reasons, it just won't work. Let 'em juice I say.
Elite sport is all about fame , records and $$$ not health anyway.
Howard
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The surprise here is that there still exists anyone in the US that truly believes that athletes at the Professional/Olympic levels of such hyper-competitive sports could be free of performance-enhcncing substances.
The dopers are ALWAYS going to be one step ahead of the testing agencies.
Who cares?
We have a nation killing itself with alcohol and tobacco, I think our tax dollars would be better served if Congress actually dealt with the shit our kids eat, deaths due to drunk drivers, real drugs, gangs, inner-city violence, poor educational system etc...
Maybe I'm the idiot. Maybe that awful Boogey Man in the closet named "Steroids" is worse than all of those things.
But maybe not.
>end rant<
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Flaxseed oil.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some people call it Snake Oil™
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many of the american female track and field athletes have been sexually abused and their athletic bodies have been exploited by trainers who have pimped em out.
Hence, they are running away form their issues?
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another american cheat..
i love it when you americans all go crying and sooking when your athletes get caught and then claim that everyone else is using so its ok...isnt barry bonds still playing baseball and breaking records abd bettering performances set by players who definitely didnt cheat?..and yet he's still paid and still adored..what a joke.
it makes the rest of the world suspect every thing a US athlete does and ruins it for those who are truly gifted genetic freaks.
all this crap in this thread about how others were using....if you dont get caught, you either know how to use or dont use. Funny how you think that its the former...nice trust and pride in your fellow americans!..
Don't know what planet you are on. The whole German cycle team was busted just several years ago and disqualified, as well as many russians "the kings of the juice" in other olympic sports.
Does anyone think De la hoya is taking female hormones?
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ofcourse they are going to lie do they have a choice? when the governemtn and all organizations FORCE you to go around stupid unjustifiable laws/regulations you have EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to lie about it.
if it wasnt illegal or outlawed i bet everyone would be clear as day with their shit. no one wants to say.. hey look at me! im taking illegal drugs! put in me in jail now! :-X :-\
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Don't know what planet you are on. The whole German cycle team was busted just several years ago and disqualified, as well as many russians "the kings of the juice" in other olympic sports.
Does anyone think De la hoya is taking female hormones?
im on this planet- where are you?....i dont hear the germans and russians whining and complaining and crapping on about how other nations "use"..,that was the point of the post.
anyone who believes that athletes are that stupid to risk endorsements and the good money they make these days as well as the very real risk in their own countries of jail or even death for being involved in such cheating needs to take a step back and get a dose of reality.
gone are the days where "everyone is on"..the times and standards attest to that. In fact the women's 100m and 200m was ruined by Flo Jo- although the 400m was ruined by an east german.
the "users" are a minority in international track and field and other sports and many of them get caught. the "drug labs" dont exist like they did when the cold war was on...China excluded.
regarding people's "right" to use....insurance companies base their premiums and policies on what people do...the more people who mess with themselves, the higher the premiums and the stricter the controls. It's insane that BB's can get kidneys and then go back to using...they should have to pay for another person's transplant in full as part of the agreement. but then again, as we all know, anything goes in the US...heck i can go and buy a gun at the store , walk up to you, and shoot you and then claim self defence.
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im on this planet- where are you?....i dont hear the germans and russians whining and complaining and crapping on about how other nations "use"..,that was the point of the post.
anyone who believes that athletes are that stupid to risk endorsements and the good money they make these days as well as the very real risk in their own countries of jail or even death for being involved in such cheating needs to take a step back and get a dose of reality.
gone are the days where "everyone is on"..the times and standards attest to that. In fact the women's 100m and 200m was ruined by Flo Jo- although the 400m was ruined by an east german.
the "users" are a minority in international track and field and other sports and many of them get caught. the "drug labs" dont exist like they did when the cold war was on...China excluded.
regarding people's "right" to use....insurance companies base their premiums and policies on what people do...the more people who mess with themselves, the higher the premiums and the stricter the controls. It's insane that BB's can get kidneys and then go back to using...they should have to pay for another person's transplant in full as part of the agreement. but then again, as we all know, anything goes in the US...heck i can go and buy a gun at the store , walk up to you, and shoot you and then claim self defence.
huh??
one of your football players in usa just been murdering cute loyal best friuend of mankind dogs for the last 10 years during his career and no one around gave a shti untill the THE GOOD FEDS interfer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
professionals inorder to get to be professional juice their MOMAS AND PAPAS and its a fact,,yes there is talent in the specific sport ,,there is genetic respomse amd genetic quality of frame and muscle shape,,but!!!!!!!!! every professional athlete since 1960 is been to the hormones to some degree,,bodybuilders alot before 1960,,
stop with the bullshit,,you see the house falling on you every single day,,in 96-2000 marion jons was your god now she is garbage,,,and what did she do between those 7-10 years? LIED LIED LIED AND LIED MORE,,remember the THE CLEAR is not the only hormone she has taken,,it is the one she got cought on! she been building herself on hormones from the university level and most likley senior year in highschool and been taken them for many many years along her career,,this is the truth my friend like it or not,,same exact truth applies to lacour and even to the little fitness models such as sagi kalev you all like to call small yet guy is on more hormones than you can imagine,,ofcourse every athlete in usa got to be somewhat of a liar and thats sad but be sure of one thing there is no hormone that hasnt been used by athletes,,you think insulin is some risky thing huh? every bodybuilder uses it to some extent ,,same for any other hormonemmakk been tried and dealt with among athletes
when you enter a gym its not only the guys with big veins poping out everywhere that are hormonized ,,see jason,,it is every day joe shmoes that do it for many reasons ,,,what do yuo think professional bodybuilder is?? a gym rat that had better response to hormones than you and better muscle shape in most cases,,yet you both are on hormones
seriously,,you sit in usa look at girl like cathy la fransois going from fitness to figure to bodybuilding to this to that,,while in reality all she does is hormonized to the max, and then hormonized to less extent yet always on something,yet many on the outside really think she got some unbeliavble gentics ,,or kim the wifey when she bodybuild,,,those girls are weaklings they were born with pussy betwen the legs they got no strength,,girls DO NOT WALK AROUND WITH 6 PAKCS,,girls are soft,,,girls do not show male cuts unless they are hormonized which turns them somewhat to a man due to excess testosterone and estrogen blockage,,
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I see you don't like Cathy very much....
did she deny you access?
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