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Cop Uses Taser on Man Holding His Newborn Baby
By JUAN A. LOZANO
Tue Aug 14
HOUSTON - In a confrontation captured on videotape, a hospital security guard fired a stun gun to stop a defiant father from taking home his newborn, sending both man and child crashing to the floor. Now William Lewis says his baby girl suffers from head trauma because she was dropped.
"I've got to wonder what kind of moron would Tase an adult holding a baby," said George Kirkham, a former police officer and criminologist at Florida State University. "It doesn't take rocket science to realize the baby is going to fall."
Lewis, 30, said the April 13 episode began after he and his wife felt mistreated by staff at the Woman's Hospital of Texas and they decided to leave. Hospital employees told him doctors would not allow it, but Lewis picked up the baby and strode to a bank of elevators.
The elevators would not move because wristband sensors on each baby shut them off if anyone takes an infant without permission.
Lewis, who gave the video to The Associated Press, said his daughter landed on her head, but it cannot be seen on the video. He said the baby continues to suffer ill effects from the fall.
"She shakes a lot and cries a lot," Lewis said, noting doctors have performed several MRIs on the child, Karla. "She's not real responsive. Something is definitely wrong with my daughter."..
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welcome to old news
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welcome to old news
I just think enough is enough. Taser happy cops are running amok.
I just saw on the news the other day that a Florida cop tasered a 15 yr old girl in handcuffs.
How can anyone in any circumstances justify a 200lb. cop tasering a little schoolgirl?
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Either you can't appreciate the difference between a cop and a security guard or you are trying to make some wierd point about tasers.
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Cops are totally keeping the tazer peace. They were supposed to only use tazers where they would have previously only used a gun and it's 100% clear that cops are being held to that. Go ahead, I dare you to prove me wrong Jag. I bet you can't even find 3 instances where cops have breached this and it's a good thing too, otherwise it would be a legitimate worry that tazer use would become the norm for minor police arrests.
"Fuck you Pig!!!"
ZZZZZZ.... ZZZZZZ..... ZZZZZZZ.....
"Bro Don't tazer me Bro!!!"
ZZZZZZ.... ZZZZZZ..... ZZZZZZZ.....
"EH!!! EH!!!! DWEEE EH.... EH...."
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Taser or Pepper Spray....? You decide
"Bzzzzz, Bzzzzzz, rrr, rrr,"
OR
"Ahhh my eyes, I can't breathe, ARRRRR, I can't feel my nose"
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Taser videos are the new porn.
Edit: Pepper spray videos are pretty hot, too.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6414.html (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6414.html)
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I just think enough is enough. Taser happy cops are running amok.
I just saw on the news the other day that a Florida cop tasered a 15 yr old girl in handcuffs.
How can anyone in any circumstances justify a 200lb. cop tasering a little schoolgirl?
Nothing of this would happen if people weren't breaking the law
Do the right thing and behave
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the dude could have been holding the baby hostage for all we know.. he could have been making threats or getting ready to do something dangerous with a baby in his hand... or the cops could have been total assholes.. who the fuck knows..
my dog ran across his invisable fence and got zaped today.. i guess i like to torture puppies :-\
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my dog ran across his invisable fence and got zaped today.. i guess i like to torture puppies :-\
You have your electric fence for your puppy set at 50,000 volts... or was that a really bad analogy ::)
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Tasering is going a bit far. However, I think a small part of the way public reactions to these tazings is that they do indeed look quite melodramatic. It causes the victim to screech and scream which to the average viewer borders on near-torture, all the while the cop who is holding the taser is shouting down at the victim issuing commands.
I'm also confused as to why a security guard is issued a taser in the first place. In Broward county, the hospitals here are staffed by mostly security guards but are not issued tasers. They also have to deal with Baker Acts and drunken lunatics. And they do just fine without the use of the taser.
This instance here went way too far. The guard, at the very, very least, should be out of a job with his license suspended.
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Either you can't appreciate the difference between a cop and a security guard or you are trying to make some wierd point about tasers.
The security guard was a cop whose 2nd job was that of a security guard in a hospital.
Hope That Clarifies
ps - I'm making a point (not a wierd one) about taser happy authority figures who abuse their authority.
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Nothing of this would happen if people weren't breaking the law
Do the right thing and behave
Benz,
Did you read the accompanying story?
The man and his wife felt mistreated at the hospital and decided to leave with their newborn baby.
He was NOT kidnapping a child. It was his own child. He was breaking no laws.
Bottom line is you don't zap a man holding a baby... that's just fvcking stoooopid!
KH, I'm truly not surprised you have an electrified fence for your puppy. ::) ...really, I'm not.
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The security guard was a cop whose 2nd job was that of a security guard in a hospital.
Hope That Clarifies
ps - I'm making a point (not a wierd one) about taser happy authority figures who abuse their authority.
Do you know who would have been sued if there was any complication whatsoever with that baby? :) It's America, even if the baby removed AMA he could still win a lawsuit.
It being an off duty cop leads me to believe the act was justified. A cop would better know when to taser someone's ass than a security guard. People always talk shit to rent-a-cops anyway and there's no way the cop cold have known the whole story. What if the couple was seperated and no custody had been settled?
I'm not saying people aren't occasionally tased out of boredom or that there isn't some occasional abuse but those instances are exceptions rather than the rule.
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Do you know who would have been sued if there was any complication whatsoever with that baby? :) It's America, even if the baby removed AMA he could still win a lawsuit.
It being an off duty cop leads me to believe the act was justified. A cop would better know when to taser someone's ass than a security guard. People always talk shit to rent-a-cops anyway and there's no way the cop cold have known the whole story. What if the couple was seperated and no custody had been settled?
I'm not saying people aren't occasionally tased out of boredom or that there isn't some occasional abuse but those instances are exceptions rather than the rule.
And what if he was a cannibal picking up his dinner for the evening? 6 of this, half dozen of the other...
BOTTOM LINE:
Only a bloody moron tasers a man with a baby in his arms!
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Benz,
Did you read the accompanying story?
The man and his wife felt mistreated at the hospital and decided to leave with their newborn baby.
He was NOT kidnapping a child. It was his own child. He was breaking no laws.
Bottom line is you don't zap a man holding a baby... that's just fvcking stoooopid!
KH, I'm truly not surprised you have an electrified fence for your puppy. ::) ...really, I'm not.
So, according to your reasoning, if a man is carrying a baby and under his clothing, a bomb, you dont taser him?
Lol, hopefully most of the american population think in the other way.
And as for electrified fences for animals, its also the right thing to do.
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So, according to your reasoning, if a man is carrying a baby and under his clothing, a bomb, you dont taser him?
Lol, hopefully most of the american population think in the other way.
And as for electrified fences for animals, its also the right thing to do.
Oh brother ::) You're serious with this lol...
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And what if he was a cannibal picking up his dinner for the evening? 6 of this, half dozen of the other...
BOTTOM LINE:
Only a bloody moron tasers a man with a baby in his arms!
The idiot could have avoided beig tasered by following the proper procedure for taking the baby from the hospital. Thanks to Hillary Clinton, there is a set amount of time babies have to be in the hospital prior to being released.
The is 100% responsible for the child's injuries.
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I love reading the defense of this.
It's not like the guy was a burglar breaking into a house and stealing someone's jewelry. They know his name and where he lives. There was no reason to blast him while he's holding the infant. They easily could have handled the situation without endangering the baby.
Here's a novel idea, how about following him out to his car and zapping him after the baby is safely in a car seat?
Weapons and a lack of the ability to reason are a dangerous combination.
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I love reading the defense of this.
It's not like the guy was a burglar breaking into a house and stealing someone's jewelry. They know his name and where he lives. There was no reason to blast him while he's holding the infant. They easily could have handled the situation without endangering the baby.
Here's a novel idea, how about following him out to his car and zapping him after the baby is safely in a car seat?
Weapons and a lack of the ability to reason are a dangerous combination.
What if he didn't have a car seat?
What if the father was drunk or high?
What if they weren't married?
What if the baby had a condition that needed monitoring in the hospital?
What if the baby was being breast fed?
What if the baby had jaundice?
It sucks that the baby has a retard for a father but all of the tragedy could have been avoided by properly checking the baby out of the hospital. Aside from the injured baby, that retard will probably be made rich by a lawyer for the consequences of retarded behavior which will in turn encourage other retards to do retarded things as well.
I do find the viewpoint of the father having no responsibility whatsoever typical for a litigious society.
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what if he didn't have anything wrong and the guy fucked up?
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what if he didn't have anything wrong and the guy fucked up?
We'll never know because the security guard was forced to taser his retarded ass.
It sucks that the kid might have been seriously injured but the father is 100% responsible.
He'll end up getting money because we're from a country where retardedness is rewarded.
They should demand genetic testing on that kid just in case. :)
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some of you are fools... you don't taser a man with a baby, it could easily kill the baby. Reading some real dumb shit in this thread, what if he had a bomb ::) but but but what if... ::)
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What if he didn't have a car seat?
What if the father was drunk or high?
What if they weren't married?
What if the baby had a condition that needed monitoring in the hospital?
What if the baby was being breast fed?
What if the baby had jaundice?
It sucks that the baby has a retard for a father but all of the tragedy could have been avoided by properly checking the baby out of the hospital. Aside from the injured baby, that retard will probably be made rich by a lawyer for the consequences of retarded behavior which will in turn encourage other retards to do retarded things as well.
I do find the viewpoint of the father having no responsibility whatsoever typical for a litigious society.
They shouldn't have blasted him while he was holding the baby. All this other "what if" garbage is a smoke screen. It should have been handled in a manner that didn't endanger the infant.
A calm and reasoned approach is the only way in such a situation. They know where he lives, what he drives, his name and what he looks like. He wasn't going anywhere that they couldn't find him.
The whole situation is ridiculous.
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They shouldn't have blasted him while he was holding the baby. All this other "what if" garbage is a smoke screen. It should have been handled in a manner that didn't endanger the infant.
A calm and reasoned approach is the only way in such a situation. They know where he lives, what he drives, his name and what he looks like. He wasn't going anywhere that they couldn't find him.
The whole situation is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous that there isn't any situation where some of you feel personal responsibility applies to the 'victim'.
Didn't see where the security guard knew he was the baby daddy, LOL! Either way, five minutes to sign the baby out AMA or carp to a social worker and the entire situation could have been avoided.
Maybe they should have just called the cops and let him try leaving with the baby. That would have likely escalated things to an even greater level of danger.
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KH, I'm truly not surprised you have an electrified fence for your puppy. ::) ...really, I'm not.
oh ya.. its much better to keep the dog locked up on a chain, as opposed to allowing him to run around wherever he likes. only a girl like you would appose an invisible fence
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some of you are fools... you don't taser a man with a baby, it could easily kill the baby. Reading some real dumb shit in this thread, what if he had a bomb ::) but but but what if... ::)
do you know what happend before this video? no you dont.. how do you watch a clip and act like you know what went down...
like i said, the cop could have used bad judgment, or he could have been a hero. but you cant tell from that video..
the guy could have said, if you dont let me go ill hurt the baby..
read what you just said,,"but but what if".. so how do you know the answer then?
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I know a few people with those collar/fence systems for their dogs. Once the dogs know the boundaries there aren't any problems. If I liked animals, having one be able to run free on my property would be much better than a short chain or run. Their only consistent complaint was that the electric fence won't keep strays or pets of the irresponsible out of their yards.
An old neighbor's dog had tired of their yard and loved our nice fresh grass. Fortunately Home Depot sells a yard spray that solved the problem.
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do you know what happend before this video? no you dont.. how do you watch a clip and act like you know what went down...
like i said, the cop could have used bad judgment, or he could have been a hero. but you cant tell from that video..
the guy could have said, if you dont let me go ill hurt the baby..
read what you just said,,"but but what if".. so how do you know the answer then?
Whatever barney
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It's ridiculous that there isn't any situation where some of you feel personal responsibility applies to the 'victim'.
Didn't see where the security guard knew he was the baby daddy, LOL! Either way, five minutes to sign the baby out AMA or carp to a social worker and the entire situation could have been avoided.
Maybe they should have just called the cops and let him try leaving with the baby. That would have likely escalated things to an even greater level of danger.
More blathering nonsense.
The number one priority in this instance is the safety of the infant. That trumps everything else. I'd love to hear you argue "what if's" on that one.
They knew who he was, they knew where he lived, they knew what he looked like. Did you actually read the news piece or did you just watch the video?
This should have been handled differently and in a manner that didn't put the infant in danger.
The fact that anyone wants to debate that is laughable.
do you know what happend before this video? no you dont.. how do you watch a clip and act like you know what went down...
like i said, the cop could have used bad judgment, or he could have been a hero. but you cant tell from that video..
the guy could have said, if you dont let me go ill hurt the baby..
read what you just said,,"but but what if".. so how do you know the answer then?
Please tell me exactly where you are a police officer so that I can never visit that city. I'm guessing the entrance exam needs to be revamped.
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More blathering nonsense.
The number one priority in this instance is the safety of the infant. That trumps everything else. I'd love to hear you argue "what if's" on that one.
They knew who he was, they knew where he lived, they knew what he looked like. Did you actually read the news piece or did you just watch the video?
This should have been handled differently and in a manner that didn't put the infant in danger.
The fact that anyone wants to debate that is laughable.
Please tell me exactly where you are a police officer so that I can never visit that city. I'm guessing the entrance exam needs to be revamped.
Interesting. You say the number one priority is the infant's safety, yet are saying the iritated father should have been able to whisk the newborn away.
Could it possibly been handled in another manner? Yes. Would I have tasered him, depends on the situation. If I had no idea he was the father, yes. If the guy was acting erratic, yes. If I could't afford get fired, yes. If I was told by someone who could be held responsible for whatever happened to the child (good or bad), no.
Very few people placed in that poition would have taken the chance of letting the guy leave like that. It sucks that the baby was injured but the father could have just signed out the baby/wife AMA and not been tasered.
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Interesting. You say the number one priority is the infant's safety, yet are saying the iritated father should have been able to whisk the newborn away.
Could it possibly been handled in another manner? Yes. Would I have tasered him, depends on the situation. If I had no idea he was the father, yes. If the guy was acting erratic, yes. If I could't afford get fired, yes. If I was told by someone who could be held responsible for whatever happened to the child (good or bad), no.
Very few people placed in that poition would have taken the chance of letting the guy leave like that. It sucks that the baby was injured but the father could have just signed out the baby/wife AMA and not been tasered.
Jake,
he couldn't have whisked the baby away. That guy wasn't going anywhere.
The baby's wristband prevented the elevator from working.
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It's ridiculous that there isn't any situation where some of you feel personal responsibility applies to the 'victim'.
Didn't see where the security guard knew he was the baby daddy, LOL! Either way, five minutes to sign the baby out AMA or carp to a social worker and the entire situation could have been avoided.
Maybe they should have just called the cops and let him try leaving with the baby. That would have likely escalated things to an even greater level of danger.
My question is this to all of the people who feel the "cop" put the baby's life in jeopardy.
Who put it in jeopardy first? Looks to me like it was Dad.
It was dad who refused to fill out the proper release forms... refused to follow proper procedure and protocol and put the baby in jeopardy.
I'm a father... I think this whole thing sucks... really... and I think the security schmucko was wrong... BUT you can't put it all on him... You have to blame dad for starting some stupid shit in the first place.
If my child wasn't receiving the treatment I thought he or she deserved, I would speak with the Drs... go through the process to get the baby moved to another hospital (It's not hard) or fill out the proper discharge papers. (Nothing can make anyone stay in a hospital if you don't want to... NOTHING [unless you're crazy])
So is the cop at fault... sure, but why is no one looking at Dad and saying "You're a FUCKING DOUCHE and YOU endangered that baby".
This shit was cause and effect... Dad caused some shit to pop off and the effect was dad and baby got tasered... How about we call a duck a duck on this one.
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My question is this to all of the people who feel the "cop" put the baby's life in jeopardy.
Who put it in jeopardy first? Looks to me like it was Dad.
It was dad who refused to fill out the proper release forms... refused to follow proper procedure and protocol and put the baby in jeopardy.
I'm a father... I think this whole thing sucks... really... and I think the security schmucko was wrong... BUT you can't put it all on him... You have to blame dad for starting some stupid shit in the first place.
If my child wasn't receiving the treatment I thought he or she deserved, I would speak with the Drs... go through the process to get the baby moved to another hospital (It's not hard) or fill out the proper discharge papers. (Nothing can make anyone stay in a hospital if you don't want to... NOTHING [unless you're crazy])
...or tasered by a trigger happy cop with poor judgement. ;D
So is the cop at fault... sure, but why is no one looking at Dad and saying "You're a FUCKING DOUCHE and YOU endangered that baby".
This shit was cause and effect... Dad caused some shit to pop off and the effect was dad and baby got tasered... How about we call a duck a duck on this one.
We could go all the way back to the doctors who mistreated the couple causing them to want to leave. We could even go so far back as blaming the doctors parents for not using birthcontrol and bringing the doctor into the world etc...
The bottom line is those who are authorized to use force on the public need to have some proper judgement to go with that authorization to use force. Who the fvck in their right mind tases a man with a baby in his arms?
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...or tasered by a trigger happy cop with poor judgement. ;D
We could go all the way back to the doctors who mistreated the couple causing them to want to leave. We could even go so far back as blaming the doctors parents for not using birthcontrol and bringing the doctor into the world etc...
The bottom line is those who are authorized to use force on the public need to have some proper judgement to go with that authorization to use force. Who the fvck in their right mind tases a man with a baby in his arms?
The bottom line is that when you're a parent, you are ALSO authorized to use force... on your kids, and you need to understand that you are responsible for them and your actions have consequences.
Who the fuck thinks it's ok to just run out of a hospital with a kid in your arm?
Jag... I understand where you're coming from, but if you think that dad is totally not at fault... you're loco.
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Jake,
he couldn't have whisked the baby away. That guy wasn't going anywhere.
The baby's wristband prevented the elevator from working.
Hospitals have stairs in America. :)
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Hospitals have stairs in America. :)
They also have stoooopid trigger happy cops with tasers. :P
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They also have stoooopid trigger happy cops with tasers. :P
I guess those trigger happy cops in other countries with guns are so much better...
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I guess those trigger happy cops in other countries with guns are so much better...
I can't think of a country with more guns and more trigger happy cops than the USA, ...can you?
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I can't think of a country with more guns and more trigger happy cops than the USA, ...can you?
China maybe?
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They also have stoooopid trigger happy cops with tasers. :P
The kid was injured due to the father's retardedness.
I hope the taser hit the testicles so someone that stupid and irresponsible can't make more babies. :)
Considering the father's intellect... the developmental delay might be due to an extra chromosome.
Due to relatively rare SIDS case New York ended up with a 48 hour, hospital stay, rule for newborns. Some insurance companies will not pay for a healthy baby to remain in the hospital the second day. No idea what checking an infant out before that time would entail but it's 100% certain you and a gaggle of other hippies would say the father still would have a right to sue the doctor if there was a complication. It would either be the doctor's fault for not properly explaining the risks, the hospitals fault for hiring crabby nurses or the security guards fault for letting him go.
In your paradigm, these people never have any responsibility. Kind of funny considering you think the majority of poor people are that way due to laziness. :)
The guy is a retard and he got what retards get. Sucks if the baby was injured but retards are infamous for having collateral damage. Drunken drivers do the same thing to other passengers, people on the road and property.
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Please tell me exactly where you are a police officer so that I can never visit that city. I'm guessing the entrance exam needs to be revamped.
30,000 feet in the air.. with tazer in hand
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The kid was injured due to the father's retardedness.
I hope the taser hit the testicles so someone that stupid and irresponsible can't make more babies. :)
Considering the father's intellect... the developmental delay might be due to an extra chromosome.
It was a baby girl. Only baby boys end up with the extra chromosome. Evolutions weeds out the idiots that way.
Due to relatively rare SIDS case New York ended up with a 48 hour, hospital stay, rule for newborns. Some insurance companies will not pay for a healthy baby to remain in the hospital the second day. No idea what checking an infant out before that time would entail but it's 100% certain you and a gaggle of other hippies would say the father still would have a right to sue the doctor if there was a complication. It would either be the doctor's fault for not properly explaining the risks, the hospitals fault for hiring crabby nurses or the security guards fault for letting him go.
In your paradigm, these people never have any responsibility. Kind of funny considering you think the majority of poor people are that way due to laziness. :)
In my paradigmn you don't taser a man with a newborn in his arms.
The guy is a retard and he got what retards get. Sucks if the baby was injured but retards are infamous for having collateral damage. Drunken drivers do the same thing to other passengers, people on the road and property.
The "collateral damage" as you call it is committed by the person doing the shooting.
You can argue it six ways from Sunday, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out you don't harm the very person you're supposed to be seeking to protect. That's like saying... there is a man inside a house yelling at a woman. You're afraid for the safety of this woman because he might be a domestic batterer... so in your wisdom, you dynamite the house. That ought to shut the guy up. The fact that the woman get's blown up too... well that's just collateral damage caused by the loudmouth who shouldn't have spouted off to begin with. ::)
I'm beginning to think you might have been dropped on your head shortly after birth as well.
Bottom line: You're an idiot to taser a man holding a newborn baby!
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Bottom line: You're an idiot to taser a man holding a newborn baby!
Bottom Line... you're an idiot if you think you can just leave a maternity ward with a baby under your arm without proper discharge paperwork?
What part of THAT do you not get?
I love how you're saying this guy (cop) is an idiot... but Dad has to take NO responsibility.
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Bottom Line... you're an idiot if you think you can just leave a maternity ward with a baby under your arm without proper discharge paperwork?
What part of THAT do you not get?
I love how you're saying this guy (cop) is an idiot... but Dad has to take NO responsibility.
I "GET" that there is paperwork involved, ...however, that guy wasn't going anywhere,
...despite how much he wanted to. What that cop did was put the baby in danger that she previously was not in.
What part about that, do you not get?
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I "GET" that there is paperwork involved, ...however, that guy wasn't going anywhere,
...despite how much he wanted to. What that cop did was put the baby in danger that she previously was not in.
What part about that, do you not get?
jag, you would have made a wonderful mom . . .
. . . too bad that boat sailed a while ago.
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It was a baby girl. Only baby boys end up with the extra chromosome. Evolutions weeds out the idiots that way.
In my paradigmn you don't taser a man with a newborn in his arms.
The "collateral damage" as you call it is committed by the person doing the shooting.
You can argue it six ways from Sunday, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out you don't harm the very person you're supposed to be seeking to protect. That's like saying... there is a man inside a house yelling at a woman. You're afraid for the safety of this woman because he might be a domestic batterer... so in your wisdom, you dynamite the house. That ought to shut the guy up. The fact that the woman get's blown up too... well that's just collateral damage caused by the loudmouth who shouldn't have spouted off to begin with. ::)
I'm beginning to think you might have been dropped on your head shortly after birth as well.
Bottom line: You're an idiot to taser a man holding a newborn baby!
Maybe she is missing a chromosome.
Either way, maybe the father will act more responsibly next time.
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Maybe she is missing a chromosome.
Maybe her delicate little infant brain got rattled severely when she was dropped on her head!
Either way, maybe the father will act more responsibly next time.
Hopefully the idiot trigger happy cop will come to understand you don't taser a man holding a newborn baby!
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Why do you insist on this topic? The guy didnt die, the baby didnt die, so what?
He just got tasered because he thought it was cool to not take orders, it wasnt his house, so yeah he got what he deserved.
The guard should have tasered the baby aswel to show him how rude is this world lol
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I just think enough is enough. Taser happy cops are running amok.
I just saw on the news the other day that a Florida cop tasered a 15 yr old girl in handcuffs.
How can anyone in any circumstances justify a 200lb. cop tasering a little schoolgirl?
she wasn't in handcuffs,she had a knife to her own throat in the principles office.stop believing whatever you hear on the news
bench
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I "GET" that there is paperwork involved, ...however, that guy wasn't going anywhere,
...despite how much he wanted to. What that cop did was put the baby in danger that she previously was not in.
What part about that, do you not get?
As I said... I'm not giving the cop a pass... I'm saying he was stupid, but I'm also saying that DAD has some responsibility for the way shit went down, but you are refusing to admit that point.
You're blaming the cop for EVERYTHING, and that is wrong.
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As I said... I'm not giving the cop a pass... I'm saying he was stupid, but I'm also saying that DAD has some responsibility for the way shit went down, but you are refusing to admit that point.
You're blaming the cop for EVERYTHING, and that is wrong.
Nope, I'm blaming the cop for tasing a guy with a newborn in his arms.
The guy bears some responsibility for having to deal with authority figures on the scene,
...but the authority figures on the scene are responsble for discharging the taser resulting in injuries to the baby.
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Nope, I'm blaming the cop for tasing a guy with a newborn in his arms.
The guy bears some responsibility for having to deal with authority figures on the scene,
...but the authority figures on the scene are responsble for discharging the taser resulting in injuries to the baby.
I don't agree completely... but that will never change your mind, so I'd say this dead horse is done.
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tasering is safer for the cop and arrestee.
The whole 200 lb cop tasering a poor girl argument is stupid. She has a much greater chance of being injured if the cop used brute force. A lot of people were killed by cops using choke holds, batons or just force of numbers before tasers became the norm. Another factor is that they made life safer for female police as well.
Tasers also give cops a non-lethal option that is appreciated by any black man who still is brave enough to carry a wallet.
In most of the cases where someone was legitimately tasered a gun or physical violence would have been the been the only other options. In the bad examples, and this is not one of them, the same security guards would have ended up using a higher degree of violence. Ask anyone, you're not going to get brilliant minds for what most companies have budgeted to pay security. Ths security guard being an off duty policeman increases the chance the tasering was justified.
Stop defending retards. :P
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My argument is not one against tasers. Tasers have their place in law enforcement.
My argument is that in this particular incident, the idiot using the taser demonstrated poor judgement.
I'm not saying a taser should 'NEVER' be used in any circumstances whatsoever... it has it's place.
I'm saying: ONLY A MORON TASERS A MAN HOLDING A NEWBORN BABY!
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My argument is not one against tasers. Tasers have their place in law enforcement.
My argument is that in this particular incident, the idiot using the taser demonstrated poor judgement.
I'm not saying a taser should 'NEVER' be used in any circumstances whatsoever... it has it's place.
I'm saying: ONLY A MORON TASERS A MAN HOLDING A NEWBORN BABY!
Or try to take a baby out of a hospital without proper paperwork.
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jag, how the fuck do you know what actually happend? lets say the guy was leaving the hospital with the babbie (kidnapping).. how would you stop him? you got 3 options.. tackle him, shoot him, or give him a jolt.. which would you do? sorry but asking him nicely doesnt work in this game..
and i will bet my life, that the "officer" gave at least 3 warnings before applying the taze..
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jag, how the fuck do you know what actually happend? lets say the guy was leaving the hospital with the babbie (kidnapping).. how would you stop him? you got 3 options.. tackle him, shoot him, or give him a jolt.. which would you do? sorry but asking him nicely doesnt work in this game..
and i will bet my life, that the "officer" gave at least 3 warnings before applying the taze..
times like this i am glad i stopped carrying OC and a taser.also fuck a warning ,people should know how to act in the first place and this shit wouldn't happen.
i have been meaning to ask you for awhile now, are you in law enforcement also?
bench
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jag, how the fuck do you know what actually happend? lets say the guy was leaving the hospital with the babbie (kidnapping).. how would you stop him? you got 3 options.. tackle him, shoot him, or give him a jolt.. which would you do? sorry but asking him nicely doesnt work in this game..
and i will bet my life, that the "officer" gave at least 3 warnings before applying the taze..
I know what happened, ...that moron tasered a man holding a newborn baby. End of story
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I know what happened, ...that moron tasered a retard trying to illegaly take a newborn baby from the hospital. End of story
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Jake, ...you forgot to mention his own baby
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I know what happened, ...that moron tasered a man holding a newborn baby. End of story
shows how weak minded you are.. just like a normal liberal mindset.. "its never my fault,, and its always someone else's responsibility". its so easy to complain and criticize,, but when asked for a solution, you cant.. im not saying your stupid -because your not.. but you are very weak..
i guess all criminals should carry babies,, because then they are free to do whatever they want with no consequences..
now if theres an innocent guy was just walking down the street and a cop tazed him for no reason.. then you can post the video.. until then stop the whining
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i have been meaning to ask you for awhile now, are you in law enforcement also?
bench
you know it!
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you know it!
what state?
bench
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shows how weak minded you are.. just like a normal liberal mindset.. "its never my fault,, and its always someone else's responsibility". its so easy to complain and criticize,, but when asked for a solution, you cant.. im not saying your stupid -because your not.. but you are very weak..
i guess all criminals should carry babies,, because then they are free to do whatever they want with no consequences..
He wasn't a criminal, ...he was a father.
now if theres an innocent guy was just walking down the street and a cop tazed him for no reason.. then you can post the video.. until then stop the whining
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Amadou Diallo got more than a tazer standing on his front porch. ...remember him?
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Jake, ...you forgot to mention his own baby
The nice wad of cash they give him for being stupid should ease any pains.
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He wasn't a criminal, ...he was a father.
now if theres an innocent guy was just walking down the street and a cop tazed him for no reason.. then you can post the video.. until then stop the whining
Amadou Diallo got more than a tazer standing on his front porch. ...remember him?
by disobaying orders, he became a criminal.. but before that he was in the process of an attempted kidnapping.. and if this guy even thinks of filing a complaint.. thats what the judge will throw at him.
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what state?
bench
was nypd
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was nypd
come down to texas we are desperate to hire people right now ;D
bench
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by disobaying orders, he became a criminal.. but before that he was in the process of an attempted kidnapping.. and if this guy even thinks of filing a complaint.. thats what the judge will throw at him.
Disobeying orders makes someone a criminal? ::) What on earth do they teach you in the police academy?
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Disobeying orders makes someone a criminal? ::) What on earth do they teach you in the police academy?
What will become of America if all of it's citizens became a bunch of obeying, mindless zombies, incapable of having a mind of their own, and therefor being free people?
by disobaying orders, he became a criminal..
:-X
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do you know what happend before this video? no you dont.. how do you watch a clip and act like you know what went down...
like i said, the cop could have used bad judgment, or he could have been a hero. but you cant tell from that video..
the guy could have said, if you dont let me go ill hurt the baby..
read what you just said,,"but but what if".. so how do you know the answer then?
"Let me go or I'll hurt the baby" ..hurt the baby...such as shocking it and then dropping it on it's head? ::)
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by disobaying orders, he became a criminal.. but before that he was in the process of an attempted kidnapping.. and if this guy even thinks of filing a complaint.. thats what the judge will throw at him.
How can it be kidknapping when it is his child and the mother was in agreement? hahahaha WHY can't you police officers ever admit it when another police officer screws up?It is always the "criminals" fault.
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Disobeying orders makes someone a criminal? ::) What on earth do they teach you in the police academy?
You become a "criminal" after you have been convicted, but you get arrested for disobeying orders. That's precisely the way it should be. People who follow simple instructions (like "stop") generally don't have problems with the cops.
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How can it be kidknapping when it is his child and the mother was in agreement? hahahaha WHY can't you police officers ever admit it when another police officer screws up?It is always the "criminals" fault.
they tried to take the kid from the hospital, whos in child protective custody.. meaning the kid was abused which is why he was there.. and i dont stick up for cops, because i hate most of them.. but i dont make accusations on a situation that i know little about.. and i highly doubt this guy will be trying to sue, because the baby is under protection meaning the parents will be charged by a grand jury
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they tried to take the kid from the hospital, whos in child protective custody.. meaning the kid was abused which is why he was there.. and i dont stick up for cops, because i hate most of them.. but i dont make accusations on a situation that i know little about.. and i highly doubt this guy will be trying to sue, because the baby is under protection meaning the parents will be charged by a grand jury
Ex-fucking-zactly.
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You become a "criminal" after you have been convicted, but you get arrested for disobeying orders. That's precisely the way it should be. People who follow simple instructions (like "stop") generally don't have problems with the cops.
BB,
Are you feeling allright?
That almost made sense. :)
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BB,
Are you feeling allright?
That almost made sense. :)
LOL. ;D Are you saying I generally blather? :-X Broken clock is right twice a day mang.