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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The Coach on October 11, 2007, 04:14:21 PM
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damn right, Zane looked great.
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too bad jae spilled over or you'd be posting his mr getbig pics right about now
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Zane should have used Hydroxycut, he'd be as ripped as Gutler.
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Zane should have used Hydroxycut, he'd be as ripped at Gutler.
.........and you current Mr. Olympia ::)
Compared to Zane, Cutler is pathetic!
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I never really got the big deal about Zane until recently, he was amazing, he puts alot of the guys today to shame
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i knew this wouldn't be your one week out pics, especially considering the four weeks out pics you posted were less than stellar.
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i knew this wouldn't be your one week out pics, especially considering the four weeks out pics you posted were less than stellar.
How do you figure since my show is Dec 1 (7 weeks) and those pics were taken at 12 weeks.....God you're an idiot (and I mean that in the Biblical sense)!
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Shredded is right !
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=174721.0;attach=203078;image)
Guy on the left has a more impressive taper.
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Iris Kyle or Davina have more muscle than Frank.
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Iris Kyle or Davina have more muscle than Frank.
This is true.
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This is true.
Thats something NOT to proud of and I'm not talking about Zane. Nice to know that those two "women" have the desire to look like men ::)
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sadly we'll never see anything even close to this on an IFBB stage again
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Zane looks sick here.
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I attended a Seminar of his a few Months ago in Illinois ... it was WELL WORTH the Money, in my honest Opinion. He had a lot of, what I felt, VALUABLE information to give that day. Suprisingly, he spoke about Steroids and how little he took during his Competitive Years. He also made mention that he still uses them ... although, it's a " Minimal Dose " as well as supervised and prescribed by his Doctor. He ALSO commented on today's current Professional Bodybuilders as being, " ... big and bloated Cows ... ". ;D Zane is certainly an interesting character, by the way ... before the Bodybuilding Show began he walked up on Stage, pulled out a Harmonica, and played it for about 15 Minutes straight whilst Singing random Lyrics ... :D oh, and a nice guy, too. :)
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Zane looks sick here.
Incredible. Its funny in the gym he looked like a lean guy with some muscle but on stage he looked like a Greek statue. We will never see a physique like that again on an IFBB stage. :-\
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That is why I included Zane in the other thread. The guy had great detail from head to toe.
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Corney didn't look so bad back in the day either
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they funny thing is a lot of people think that it is possible to hold that much muscle naturally.
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thats the definition of aesthetics, incredible symmetry and proportion
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they funny thing is a lot of people think that it is possible to hold that much muscle naturally.
hahhaa i love it when delusional cows that are 230lbs and 25% bf say that zane was tiny and they could be bigger then him if they dieted
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hahhaa i love it when delusional cows that are 230lbs and 25% bf say that zane was tiny and they could be bigger then him if they dieted
used every inch of muscle he built and polished it like a stone...
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hahhaa i love it when delusional cows that are 230lbs and 25% bf say that zane was tiny and they could be bigger then him if they dieted
yeah they think 200+ lbs lean is achievable for a natural, over 20lbs MORE than Zane's contest weight.
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yeah they think 200+ lbs lean is achievable for a natural, over 20lbs MORE than Zane's contest weight.
What are you talking about Zane won his Olympia's at 190-195. He's one of the few that used to gain weight for his contest prep.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=174721.0;attach=203078;image)
Guy on the left has a more impressive taper.
That's Samir Banout...one of the all time best backs/physiques in the sport.
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they funny thing is a lot of people think that it is possible to hold that much muscle naturally.
it is. but not to be that lean at the same time.
only with teh juice can you carry lots of muscle mass AND be super lean simultaneously
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Frank Zane...............his physique was pure beauty.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=174721.0;attach=203078;image)
Guy on the left has a more impressive taper.
For sure
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it is. but not to be that lean at the same time.
only with teh juice can you carry lots of muscle mass AND be super lean simultaneously
No it's possible to THINK you have that much muscle, and then convince yourself that the muscle melted away when you dieted.
These natural "mass monsters" are just fat asses that like to eat protein powder.
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That's Samir Banout...one of the all time best backs/physiques in the sport.
Damn, that's Samir? I never realized he was that small. Photo's never really show you how little someone is. Impressive back none the less.
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Damn, that's Samir? I never realized he was that small. Photo's never really show you how little someone is. Impressive back none the less.
Small?
Lets be real and do a little comparison on someone that might be about the same weight shall we?
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/samir.jpg)
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This is an owning by Bannout to enth degree!
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Uh......no. Hide is far better conditioned. Samir was great is his day, but didn't weigh more than 200lbs. Hide's a bigger guy flat out. Samir had a great back, but someone stole his legs.
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Uh......no. Hide is far better conditioned. Samir was great is his day, but didn't weigh more than 200lbs. Hide's a bigger guy flat out. Samir had a great back, but someone stole his legs.
Please tell me your joking?
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Uh......no. Hide is far better conditioned. Samir was great is his day, but didn't weigh more than 200lbs. Hide's a bigger guy flat out. Samir had a great back, but someone stole his legs.
Well, Hide has more drugs, swayed from what bbing should be..
You think Samir, in his prime today and with the drugs wouldn't destroy a 3rd teir bb'er? ::) He was Mr. O, while Hide will not get higher than 7th at the some shitty contest.
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Please tell me your joking?
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One of my favorite pics of Samir. He'll probably be at your show Joe. He's been going to many of the shows in LA.
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.........and again
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Please tell me your joking?
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Please tell me your joking. His legs are cut, but like arnold had no mass. Hide's legs are way bigger. Fact.
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Well, Hide has more drugs, swayed from what bbing should be..
You think Samir, in his prime today and with the drugs wouldn't destroy a 3rd teir bb'er? ::) He was Mr. O, while Hide will not get higher than 7th at the some shitty contest.
Yeah....how many times did he win that title? That's right. It's comparing apples to oranges. Sure Hide is third tier today, but back then, they never saw that type of condtioning. As far as what he could have done....purely speculation.
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Coach face it, the guys back then may have had better lines than todays pro's, but some NPC middleweights are sporting better physiques. Stop sweating the little guys and aspire to be a big guy. ;)
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One of my favorite pics of Samir. He'll probably be at your show Joe. He's been going to many of the shows in LA.
Very cool, I met him when I was a kid at Golds, it was right before he won the Universe and he was posing, talk about unfreakingbelievable. Too bad the most of the "Gurus" and judges don't pay attention to detail anymore. Hide is a great BBer...by todays standards, but NO ONE can compare to the detail of yesteryear.
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The Coach, find out where he buys his toupees
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Please tell me your joking. His legs are cut, but like arnold had no mass. Hide's legs are way bigger. Fact.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/hide1.jpg)
Yeah....how many times did he win that title? That's right. It's comparing apples to oranges. Sure Hide is third tier today, but back then, they never saw that type of condtioning. As far as what he could have done....purely speculation.
The purpose of being on a BBing stage is to present a physique that shows almost every detail, every muscle fiber, every separation with a respectable amout of size with symmetry (or at least thats the way it used to be), todays guys, including Hide don't present that sort of physique, they are block of hard muscle, with no separation, veins and little in the way of cuts let alone being "shredded".
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Coach face it, the guys back then may have had better lines than todays pro's, but some NPC middleweights are sporting better physiques. Stop sweating the little guys and aspire to be a big guy. ;)
Name one middle who can sport a better physique than Samir, or anyone from that time who was an Olympian. I know Hide is bigger, that's great if the sole intention is to play the size game, but it has to go back to size and quality and thats just not happening and I seriously want to know why. Judges?
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Very cool, I met him when I was a kid at Golds, it was right before he won the Universe and he was posing, talk about unfreakingbelievable. Too bad the most of the "Gurus" and judges don't pay attention to detail anymore. Hide is a great BBer...by todays standards, but NO ONE can compare to the detail of yesteryear.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/samirchest.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/hide2.jpg)
So are you saying Hides' back is not shredded. Hide is far better conditioned in the back than Samir. His back is sliced, not just separated. I'll give the edge in taper to Samir, but Hide dominates him in conditoning. Both have their strong points but it's like comparing wheeler to munzer. Wheeler is more pleasing to look at, but even in 93, you could still tell that he was holding a bit of water....where as munzer was dry as death.
On stage, Hide completely surpasses Samir. The 80's are over.
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As far as middleweights....go to the Nationals. Take your pic of the top 5.
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Dballn..you are arguing Mr. Olympia vs fried rice........please shut up as you are merely showing how little you know about bb'ing....PS. you think you can even begin to compare with the chemicals of 1983 to what these guys jam themselves with today...and the guys had better bodies back then....
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So are you saying Hides' back is not shredded. Hide is far better conditioned in the back than Samir. His back is sliced, not just separated. I'll give the edge in taper to Samir, but Hide dominates him in conditoning. Both have their strong points but it's like comparing wheeler to munzer. Wheeler is more pleasing to look at, but even in 93, you could still tell that he was holding a bit of water....where as munzer was dry as death.
On stage, Hide completely surpasses Samir. The 80's are over.
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As far as middleweights....go to the Nationals. Take your pic of the top 5.
Never said Hide didn't look good, he does, but not as shredded not as good as shape, could have used to separation in the arm/delt tie in but shredded..no.
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Dballn..you are arguing Mr. Olympia vs fried rice........please shut up as you are merely showing how little you know about bb'ing....PS. you think you can even begin to compare with the chemicals of 1983 to what these guys jam themselves with today...and the guys had better bodies back then....
Okay.... ::)
A one time Mr. O....had arnold decided to compete that year, he would have beat Samir too. Coach pointed out Hide, I am just showing that the older physiques don't compare with 90's and on BB's.
Numerous guys have better physiques than Samir......
Flex, MOMO, Cormier, Leverone, Yates, it just keeps going and going.
Go back to trolling for cock flavored toothpaste.
And coach by the pics you posted you can clearly see hide is drier. Samir's back looks good, but he is still holding water. The larger cuts vs the feather type striations give it away.
This is a real back...
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Numerous guys have better physiques than Samir......
Flex, MOMO, Cormier, Leverone, Yates, it just keeps going and going.
Better because of more drug use. Don't compare apples to oranges. And Samir's back destoys Hide's, whom is a 3rd-4th tier bb'er, while Samir won the O, not because of politics, but because he was the best of his day..
Samir would have matched Levrone, but not Yates in terms of mass. He would of been comprable to Cormier in pleasingness.. Depends on point of view. Samir's lines are better, as they are not the tradional black lines. Boring as they were bred for it by superiors, while Samir came of an ancient race and people not designed to pick cotton and be muscular.
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....had Arnold decided to compete in 1983?.....cause he looked so damn good in 1980........by the way, leave your toothpaste out of this and argue who's stronger: Batman or Superman?
Just a sidebar...Bertil Fox should have won the 1983 Olympia... ;)
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Better because of more drug use. Don't compare apples to oranges. And Samir's back destoys Hide's, whom is a 3rd-4th tier bb'er, while Samir won the O, not because of politics, but because he was the best of his day..
Samir would have matched Levrone, but not Yates in terms of mass. He would of been comprable to Cormier in pleasingness.. Depends on point of view. Samir's lines are better, as they are not the tradional black lines. Boring as they were bred for it by superiors, while Samir came of an ancient race and people not designed to pick cotton and be muscular.
Clearly, you are retarded. Leverone was like 245 onstage, Samir was about 195lbs. No way he's coming close to Leverone. Had you said Ray.....maybe.
And I said Hides back was better conditioned, not better shaped. Far more conditioned and bigger legs to boot.
Why are you melting down over a guy who I said was better conditioned than Samir?
....had Arnold decided to compete in 1983?.....cause he looked so damn good in 1980........by the way, leave your toothpaste out of this and argue who's stronger: Batman or Superman?
Just a sidebar...Bertil Fox should have won the 1983 Olympia... ;)
LOL good post. Funny shit. I agree Bertil should have won the O.
and Superman of course.
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Dballn...just being a dick....Hide looks great. Hard to compare guys across eras. Only consistent thing is shitty judging!!!!!
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Dballn...just being a dick....Hide looks great. Hard to compare guys across eras. Only consistent thing is shitty judging!!!!!
Word. I know it's blasphemy but Arnold 1980........questionable to say the least!!!!
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Franco in '81 even worse: one leg and bad gyno vs. Platz,Padilla,Callendar etc.
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Clearly, you are retarded. Leverone was like 245 onstage, Samir was about 195lbs. No way he's coming close to Leverone. Had you said Ray.....maybe.
And I said Hides back was better conditioned, not better shaped. Far more conditioned and bigger legs to boot.
Why are you melting down over a guy who I said was better conditioned than Samir?
LOL good post. Funny shit. I agree Bertil should have won the O.
and Superman of course.
Actually I think Samir was closer to 215-220, I think MaxRep can confirm better than I could.
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Actually I think Samir was closer to 215-220, I think MaxRep can confirm better than I could.
No Joe 215-220 was off season. 200-205 was were he couldn't win. He won the O at 187. Levrone was awesome and yes bigger than Samir but does that mean better? Well maybe by contest standards but I'd take Samir's physique any day. When he and I trained together we were the exact some height so it was easy for me aspire to his type of development.
Plus his Joe Weider imatation is second only to Danny Padilla's!
By the way Joe. I'll be there to cheer you on.
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Shredded is right !
Samir looked incredible in 82.
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Danny Shredded
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No Joe 215-220 was off season. 200-205 was were he couldn't win. He won the O at 187. Levrone was awesome and yes bigger than Samir but does that mean better? Well maybe by contest standards but I'd take Samir's physique any day. When he and I trained together we were the exact some height so it was easy for me aspire to his type of development.
Plus his Joe Weider imatation is second only to Danny Padilla's!
By the way Joe. I'll be there to cheer you on.
Wow, I didn't think he was that light, he looked much bigger :o
Cool you'll be there, I'll try not to let anyone down.....gotta get my ass in gear 8)
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Wow, I didn't think he was that light, he looked much bigger :o
Cool you'll be there, I'll try not to let anyone down.....gotta get my ass in gear 8)
how about shape not gear The Coach?
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how about shape not gear The Coach?
What about it?
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I have always maintained that DH had the only true conditioning on that Olympia stage....or any Olympia stage within the last 3-4 years at least. Dude gets actually SHREDDED....he should have been in the top 5 easily.
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in retrospect, frank zane is a bitch, most worthless excuse for MR.O ever, sure conditioning is important, but i never thought annorexia, and bulimia had anything to do with it, Zane was and is a bitch......as far as the pics of the big ass asian, keep up the good work that's what the sport is about
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in retrospect, frank zane is a bitch, most worthless excuse for MR.O ever, sure conditioning is important, but i never thought annorexia, and bulimia had anything to do with it, Zane was and is a bitch......as far as the pics of the big ass asian, keep up the good work that's what the sport is about
If you knew anything you'd realize that BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT, but since you have your head COMPLETLY up your ass you don't realize it. And no, that "big ass asian" is NOT what bodybuilding is about. You're kinda new to this "sport" arn't ya?
Have a nice day.........clown!!
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in retrospect, frank zane is a bitch, most worthless excuse for MR.O ever, sure conditioning is important, but i never thought annorexia, and bulimia had anything to do with it, Zane was and is a bitch......as far as the pics of the big ass asian, keep up the good work that's what the sport is about
BTW, just looked at your profile......you're 22, I was right, you don't know shit......."junour"!!
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Zane was always the image I looked to when bodybuilding and I'm only 25. So you can be young appreciate what he built. He really wasn't that small either just very balanced. He didn't have any standout freak body parts, kinda like Cormeir.
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Zane was always the image I looked to when bodybuilding and I'm only 25. So you can be young appreciate what he built. He really wasn't that small either just very balanced. He didn't have any standout freak body parts, kinda like Cormeir.
Perhaps there is hope for some of our "yoots"! Nice observations.
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Clearly, you are retarded. Leverone was like 245 onstage, Samir was about 195lbs. No way he's coming close to Leverone. Had you said Ray.....maybe.
With Levrone's drugs, Samir could have matched him. Not taking about '83 and '94, but what Samir could have been with today's drugs.
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zane is still a bitch!!!
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zane is still a bitch!!!
You have A LOT to learn young fella ::)
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true, but so far it's been fun, what i have learned, and watching my body transform back and forth from on to off season then back again>
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true, but so far it's been fun, what i have learned, and watching my body transform back and forth from on to off season then back again>
Good on ya - Was expecting a STFU.
I mis-judged you.
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Wow, I didn't think he was that light, he looked much bigger :o
Cool you'll be there, I'll try not to let anyone down.....gotta get my ass in gear 8)
Joe it’s the classic example of how being lighter and more conditioned can make a guy LOOK bigger. He won’t actually BE bigger but he’ll LOOK bigger. I think many of these Pro’s today lose sight of how they look behind trying to be a certain weight.
My friend Bob Chick is an example of this. In my opinion he looked his all time best when he turned Pro at 233. Then he got caught up in having to weigh 270 off season and come down to 245-250 for contests. He still looked good but not AS good as he did at 233. He may disagree but that’s how I see it.
Samir couldn’t bring it home at 200-205, then he gets SHREDDED and wins at 187. Then he starts chasing size again to be competitive with Haney and his physique started getting blocky and less aesthetic. Aesthetics were his strength and he compromised them.
That’s why I think it’s ridiculous to have weigh-in at Pro shows. The judges aren’t (or at least shouldn’t be) judging a guy because he weights 260, they SHOULD be judging a look.
I agree with you about David Henry but his BEST showing was a few years ago at the Ironman against Lee Priest. He surprised a lot of people. He didn’t do it on size, he did it on conditioning.
By the way, I know the effort, sacrifice, dedication and discipline it takes to get ready for a show. Especially at 45. Win, lose or draw just put it all on the table. THAT is something I can respect and support.
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Joe it’s the classic example of how being lighter and more conditioned can make a guy LOOK bigger. He won’t actually BE bigger but he’ll LOOK bigger. I think many of these Pro’s today lose sight of how they look behind trying to be a certain weight.
My friend Bob Chick is an example of this. In my opinion he looked his all time best when he turned Pro at 233. Then he got caught up in having to weigh 270 off season and come down to 245-250 for contests. He still looked good but not AS good as he did at 233. He may disagree but that’s how I see it.
Samir couldn’t bring it home at 200-205, then he gets SHREDDED and wins at 187. Then he starts chasing size again to be competitive with Haney and his physique started getting blocky and less aesthetic. Aesthetics were his strength and he compromised them.
That’s why I think it’s ridiculous to have weigh-in at Pro shows. The judges aren’t (or at least shouldn’t be) judging a guy because he weights 260, they SHOULD be judging a look.
I agree with you about David Henry but his BEST showing was a few years ago at the Ironman against Lee Priest. He surprised a lot of people. He didn’t do it on size, he did it on conditioning.
By the way, I know the effort, sacrifice, dedication and discipline it takes to get ready for a show. Especially at 45. Win, lose or draw just put it all on the table. THAT is something I can respect and support.
Spot on - Weighing at any bodybuilding show is bollocks!! Its ALL about visual impact. The Illusion is all part of it. The perfect bodybuilder should look "built" but human in clothes and then cause absolute mayhem them minute he whips his shirt off. Arnold had this sort of impact by 1975. As he stated "the showmans body"
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Good on ya - Was expecting a STFU.
I mis-judged you.
yeah i by no mean know everything, nor claim to, i know more than the average joe, but i think each person has to learn it more or less on their own, what works for them and doesn't.....as a personal trainer i have to deal with a broad spectrum of different body types, etc. it's always a challenge i to tackle
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sadly we'll never see anything even close to this on an IFBB stage again
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