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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => The Getbiggers Board - The Lounge => Topic started by: davidpaul on October 26, 2007, 10:11:38 AM
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Why lurk, when you can post here?
oh I know, your boards lame. ;D
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Be careful, Alex is a bouncer dude.
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Be careful, Alex is a bouncer dude.
Dude they ban us,
then they fucking lurk our board.
They have read, all the threads on the alpahas over the last few days - and are quoting it on MD
All cos we pwn3d the degenorate romano ::)
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Be careful, Alex is a bouncer dude.
oh check the pit,
they are still losing sleep over the wrecking crew ;D
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oh check the pit,
they are still losing sleep over the wrecking crew ;D
I gotta open IE. You gotta link?
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I gotta open IE. You gotta link?
they moved her thread (the long one) from the womens board to the pit,
because I pwned romano.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=15919
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they moved her thread (the long one) from the womens board to the pit,
because I pwned romano.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=15919
I am reading some of their shit now. They are saying that we are anti-MD or something. I don't give a fuck about MD one way or another tbh. They are right about Rip though, she has turned out to be a troll, which is not necessarily bad, it is what it is.
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I am reading some of their shit now. They are saying that we are anti-MD or something. I don't give a fuck about MD one way or another tbh. They are right about Rip though, she has turned out to be a troll, which is not necessarily bad, it is what it is.
we are all trolls on getbig, all lol,
i love how they call us egomaniacs lol ;D
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I think a lot of people would consider me a troll over there as well... Oh well, what else can you do right?
I'm judged by the company I keep, and I rather like that.
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I think a lot of people would consider me a troll over there as well... Oh well, what else can you do right?
I'm judged by the company I keep, and I rather like that.
you are a wise troll though.
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we are all trolls on getbig, all lol,
Very true, she is in good company indeed.
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Very true, she is in good company indeed.
getbigs the number 1 bbuilding board :P
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They really hate Rip over there, huh? If I were an actual competitor, I would probably cut back on the clowning, it can't be too good for her to be the most hated girl on the site.
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They really hate Rip over there, huh? If I were an actual competitor, I would probably cut back on the clowning, it can't be too good for her to be the most hated girl on the site.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game,
I remember when I got banned there that one night, and you were clowning more than me lol,
haha
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Fuck,thanks guys I just wasted a couple minutes of my life reading that crap!
And Damn,if thats her real pic sallyanne should change her name to sallyman :P
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Fuck,thanks guys I just wasted a couple minutes of my life reading that crap!
And Damn,if thats her real pic sallyanne should change her name to sallyman :P
She was in Braveheart, played a character called William Wallace ;D
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Don't hate the playa, hate the game,
I remember when I got banned there that one night, and you were clowning more than me lol,
haha
Yeah, you were just saying that you were thinking of trying a cycle of creatine but were a bit scared lol. And Calvin, I agree, that Sallyanne chick is scary looking :o
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And Damn,if thats her real pic sallyanne should change her name to sallyman :P
Hahahahaha manlier than shifting the sack after a good scratch
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She was in Braveheart, played a character called William Wallace ;D
No way,she's got much bigger balls than William Wallace :D
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Yeah, you were just saying that you were thinking of trying a cycle of creatine but were a bit scared lol. And Calvin, I agree, that Sallyanne chick is scary looking :o
haha, I know
hey as a mod do you pm people warnings? ;D
Some deuche called latvianguy or something kept pming me warnings,
I was like biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing ggggg, you still here?
GO FUCK YOURSELF! ;D
Sallyman
is a stunt double fort Mel Gibson, makes a lot $$$$$ bro 8)
;D
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haha, I know
Sallyman
is a stunt double fort Mel Gibson, makes a lot $$$$$ bro 8)
;D
Hahaha looks like she stood in for Mel for his toture seen in "Braveheart"
and it wasn't faked ;)
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so does this mean the MD brass is keeping an eye on us? ???
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so does this mean the MD brass is keeping an eye on us? ???
Theres a whole gang of them that read the alpha boards lol.
Dude we have like 1000 guests viewing getbig, who do you think makes them up? ;D
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Hi Davidpaul, hi Danielson ;D
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Hi Alex!
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Sallyman :o
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Hi Davidpaul, hi Danielson ;D
Hello Alex.
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Stalker. ::)
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Stalker. ::)
Why are all the people at MD so mad at you Rip? Is Sioux mad at you too? I can't imagine that spineless schmoe ever getting upset with a girl.
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Why are all the people at MD so mad at you Rip? Is Sioux mad at you too? I can't imagine that spineless schmoe ever getting upset with a girl.
Ugh....It's primarily because I post on GB and speak out against how the mods run the MD Board.
The last straw was when I called out romano for being online at GB while bashing GB on MD, and then lying about being online. I thought that was a good one. ;D
Alex England stalks me on the alpha boards here and posts shit out of context over at MD and completely warps the whole story, whatever it is. DBowden is convinced that I am the puppet master for the "wrecking crew" and that we are on an anti-MD campaign, led behind the scenes by me. Sallyanne is a bitch who jumped into the fray late, doesn't understand much about the history I have with MD, and decided that I don't contribute anything to the MD board except trouble. ::)
All I have ever really done to piss them off is call out the mods over there, many of which are total power-tripping asswipes.
Somehow, speaking my mind about the mods on the MD Board is "biting the hands that feed me." ::)
Honestly, I don't need to be "fed" by MD. They put a pic of me in their mag twice, so what? I am not making money off them or anyone.
I do BB because I love it and it's fun, I post on the messageboards for fun too.
They run their operation like a fkn circus, they want BB to be like the WWE or something, and I am totally over it. They love the fkn MD/GB drama over there. The funniest part is that no one on GB gives a shit.
Sioux and I are not having problems, he's about the only one who appreciates the contributions I made. It doesn't matter now, I am done with the MD Board. :)
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Hi Davidpaul, hi Danielson ;D
Hi fuckface :)
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Ugh....It's primarily because I post on GB and speak out against how the mods run the MD Board.
The last straw was when I called out romano for being online at GB while bashing GB on MD, and then lying about being online. I thought that was a good one. ;D
Alex England stalks me on the alpha boards here and posts shit out of context over at MD and completely warps the whole story, whatever it is. DBowden is convinced that I am the puppet master for the "wrecking crew" and that we are on an anti-MD campaign, led behind the scenes by me. Sallyanne is a bitch who jumped into the fray late, doesn't understand much about the history I have with MD, and decided that I don't contribute anything to the MD board except trouble. ::)
All I have ever really done to piss them off is call out the mods over there, many of which are total power-tripping asswipes.
Somehow, speaking my mind about the mods on the MD Board is "biting the hands that feed me." ::)
Honestly, I don't need to be "fed" by MD. They put a pic of me in their mag twice, so what? I am not making money off them or anyone.
I do BB because I love it and it's fun, I post on the messageboards for fun too.
They run their operation like a fkn circus, they want BB to be like the WWE or something, and I am totally over it. They love the fkn MD/GB drama over there. The funniest part is that no one on GB gives a shit.
Sioux and I are not having problems, he's about the only one who appreciates the contributions I made. It doesn't matter now, I am done with the MD Board. :)
Sounds like a lot of bad blood between you guys. :o I think its pretty cool how you can be on good terms with Sioux even though he is a creep who stalks female bodybuilders on the internet all day. How creepy do you think he is? Be honest.
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Sounds like a lot of bad blood between you guys. :o I think its pretty cool how you can be on good terms with Sioux even though he is a creep who stalks female bodybuilders on the internet all day. How creepy do you think he is? Be honest.
He's not creepy. ::)
He's been extremely helpful and supportive of FBB. He put together a great FBB Forum over there, and most of the people who run that board shit on him too. >:(
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DBOWDEN is one dumb guy!
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DBOWDEN is one dumb ####!
DBowden melted and threatened to sue me once because I sent him a PM telling him to mind his own fkn business. ;D
Very nice to see you on GB. The number of regular posters who have left the MD Boards continues to rise.
:)
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DBowden melted and threatened to sue me once because I sent him a PM telling him to mind his own fkn business. ;D
I remember that. He's an idiot.
Very nice to see you on GB. The number of regular posters who have left the MD Boards continues to rise.
:)
Thank you!
Yeah people will continue to leave that board. You are right about the MODS over there, they are on a power trip. I mean, one of them wants to fly to New York to "beat me up." ::)
They are a bunch of jackasses who do not know how to run a forum. They should have the largest bodybuilding forum on the net, because it MD magazine. There is a reason why they don't.
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How I am stalking anyone, get over yourself. Thread thread has my name in the title, of coarse I am going to see it eventually. Anyway I thought maybe dp had a point and so I posted here.
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How I am stalking anyone, get over yourself. Thread thread has my name in the title, of coarse I am going to see it eventually. Anyway I thought maybe dp had a point and so I posted here.
You have been reading everything on this board for the last several days and taking it all out of context over to MD. "Someone sent you a PM about the V Board," oh brother, gimme a break. ::)
No one is sending you PMs about what's happening over here and you know it...you always claim to not give a shit anyway.
Next time you stalk me over here, maybe you should "check yourself" first. ;)
And DP did have a point...that you guys are a bunch of losers. Point was well taken by me and futher illustrated by you, so thanks for that. :)
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He's not creepy. ::)
He's been extremely helpful and supportive of FBB. He put together a great FBB Forum over there, and most of the people who run that board shit on him too. >:(
You are contradicting yourself Ripster.
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Sounds like a lot of bad blood between you guys. :o I think its pretty cool how you can be on good terms with Sioux even though he is a creep who stalks female bodybuilders on the internet all day. How creepy do you think he is? Be honest.
Danielson get over me. Move on.
Me and Lori get along fine. I don't shit on my friends like you do.
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Danielson get over me. Move on.
Me and Lori get along fine. I don't shit on my friends like you do.
"My friends" ;D
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No one is deleting your posts in here alex, you fkn idiot. ::)
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No one is deleting your posts in here alex, you fkn idiot. ::)
Actually, even 2 of mine got deleted and they were definitely V worthy >:(
We've got a situation in our hand folks
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Actually, even 2 of mine got deleted and they were definitely V worthy >:(
We've got a situation in our hand folks
In this thread?
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In this thread?
No, in one of the new threads sitting just below the stickies. What's the agenda for the V anyway Rip? Who is the person you were going to get to start modding and what were you guys planning to do?
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Just to show how much of an idiot DBOWDEN is, I thought I would post this. This guy can not take a joke. He thought I used the people on that forum as "lab rat's." ::)
Lynch,
If this is truth, as to your girlfriend's identity as a psych major, then I am going to take you at face value and I am going to tell you exactly what I think of this little manipulation drama you and your girlfriend have executed on this forum, utilizing human beings as lab rat study material.
Your girlfriend, the psyche major, needs a bit of work on her reduction of transparency as to her attempts at manipulation of other people, tactics.
She also needs to examine her ethical behavior.
The entire thing from the beginning was a transparent farce attempt at manipulation of people, and any one looking at it from an objective perspective could spot it.
In addition, IMO, your girlfriend the psych major needs a bit of work on her perception of ethics, prior to her graduating and entering her profession.
Manipulation of people in this way IMO, isn’t ethical behavior Lynch.
Some of us understand that we are here to have fun in the pit, and fuck with each other, but that this is not a serious place and nothing that is stated here should be taken at face value.
Based on your recent posts, what you are indicating is that apparently your girlfriend, the psych major, under a pseudo identity, without identifying herself as whom and what she was and what she was doing, utilized the pit to attempt to manipulate people like lab rats, related to your girlfriends work on a psych masters thesis.
If its true Lynch, IMO, inference allows a perception that your girlfriend is guilty of an ethics violation.
I truly hope Lynch, that I am inferring this scenario incorrectly.
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Noli nothis permittere te terere.
Adminstrator/Moderator
Ban and IP block request .
Ban the ID's and block the IP addresses of Lynch and his "girlfriend"
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Actually, even 2 of mine got deleted and they were definitely V worthy >:(
We've got a situation in our hand folks
Thats fucked up. At least Siouxcountry has become a V boarder though, he's a cool guy, so thats a plus. ::)
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No, in one of the new threads sitting just below the stickies. What's the agenda for the V anyway Rip? Who is the person you were going to get to start modding and what were you guys planning to do?
I was just trying to get you posting on the V again. ;D
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I was just trying to get you posting on the V again. ;D
Sweet. Can you and DP step down so I can clean this mess up and get back to having everyone call each other gay? ;D
Thats fucked up. At least Siouxcountry has become a V boarder though, he's a cool guy, so thats a plus. ::)
He's not going to have a moment's peace as long as I'm still breathing. And I don't mean that in a nice or twisted way
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He's not going to have a moment's peace as long as I'm still breathing. And I don't mean that in a nice or twisted way
8)
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Sweet. Can you and DP step down so I can clean this mess up and get back to having everyone call each other gay? ;D
You got anything more original?
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You got anything more original?
Nope
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Nope
Theres a lot more depth to you, than you let on, always remember that.
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Why are my posts deleted? You call me out with this thread and then delete my posts? Pretty fucking lame. :-\
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Why are my posts deleted? You call me out with this thread and then delete my posts? Pretty fucking lame. :-\
have you ever heard of a word called irony?
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have you ever heard of a word called irony?
No, what does it mean?
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No, what does it mean?
It means you are a fucking idiot.
Why do you keep coming online and offline again? Will you please stop stalking? It's getting creepy.
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No, what does it mean?
Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says and what is generally understood (either at the time, or in the later context of history). Irony may also arise from a discordance between acts and results, especially if it is striking, and seen by an outside audience. Irony is understood as an aesthetic evaluation by an audience, which relies on a sharp discordance between the real and the ideal, and which is variously applied to texts, speech, events, acts, and even fashion. All the different senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity, or a gap between an understanding of reality, or expectation of a reality, and what actually happens.
There are different kinds of irony. For example:
Tragic (or dramatic) irony occurs when a character on stage or in a story is ignorant, but the audience watching knows his or her eventual fate, as in Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet.
Socratic irony takes place when someone (classically a teacher) pretends to be foolish or ignorant, to expose the ignorance of another (and the teaching-audience, but not the student-victim, realizes the teacher's plot).
Cosmic irony is when a higher being or force interferes in a character's life, creating ironic settings.
H. W. Fowler, in Modern English Usage, says of irony:
Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear & shall not understand, & another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more & of the outsiders’ incomprehension.[1]
Irony threatens authoritative models of discourse by "removing the semantic security of ‘one signifier : one signified’";[2][3] irony has some of its foundation in the onlooker’s perception of paradox which arises from insoluble problems.
The connection between irony and humor is somewhat revealed when the surprise at what should have expected startles us into laughter. However, not all irony is humorous: “grim irony” and “stark irony” are familiar.
The Greek word eironeia—ειρωνεία applied particularly to understatement in the nature of dissimulation. Such irony occurred especially and notably in the assumed ignorance which Socrates adopted as a method of dialectic, the “Socratic irony.” Socratic irony involves a profession of ignorance that disguises a skeptical, non-committed attitude towards some dogma or universal opinion that lacks a basis in reason or in logic. Socrates’ “innocent” inquiries expose step by step the vanity or illogicality of the proposition by unsettling the assumptions of his dialogue partner by questioning or simply not sharing his basic assumptions. The irony entertains those onlookers who know that Socrates is wiser than he permits himself to appear and who may perceive slightly in advance the direction the “naïve” questioning will take. Fowler describes it:
The two parties in his audience were, first, the dogmatist, moved by pity and contempt to enlighten this ignorance, and, secondly, those who knew their Socrates and set themselves to watch the familiar game in which learning should be turned inside out by simplicity.
Many have interpreted Socrates as not feigning ignorance so much as expressing a form of philosophical skepticism.
Television journalist Louis Theroux demonstrated expert use of Socratic irony to his audience, by interviewing a number of diverse individuals with an air of relaxed naïveté and appreciative curiosity. This has led to his subjects becoming less guarded and more open in answering questions than they would have been in a more adversarial dialogue, while more often than not also granting Theroux subtle control of the interview.
The main character of Lieutenant Columbo, played by Peter Falk in the 1980's television sitcom Columbo employed the method of Socratic-irony to comic effect. The character's bad posture, piddling behavior, one squinted eye, and constant barrage of seemingly obvious questions were usually taken by criminals to be signs of utter incompetance, even mental disability. Ultimately, he was of course a brilliant crime solver. The slyness of his approach was often hieghtened by the fact that the clues had been apparent to the viewer as well. His signature line was "Um, excuse me, just one more question ma'am (or sir)..." which usually was followed by the realization by the culprit that they were caught.
In his character of Ali G, Sacha Baron Cohen uses Socratic irony to satirical effect. For instance, in one sketch he interviews a professor from the National Poison Information Centre about recreational drug use. Ali’s pretended stupidity in the form of asking questions such as “Does Class A drugs absolutely guarantee that they is [sic] better quality?” elicits a response that makes drugs look like any other consumer article.
The 19th century Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard admired Socratic irony and used a variation of Socratic irony in many of his works. Kierkegaard wrote on Socratic irony in his master’s thesis, titled On the Concept of Irony with Continual Reference to Socrates. In the thesis, Kierkegaard praises Plato’s and Aristophanes’ use of Socratic irony, and argues that Aristophanes’ portrayal of Socrates in The Clouds most accurately captured the spirit of Socratic irony.
Contents [hide]
1 Roman irony
2 Verbal irony
3 Types of irony
3.1 Situational irony
3.2 Irony of fate (cosmic irony)
3.2.1 Historical irony (cosmic irony through time)
3.3 Ironic art
4 Fiction
4.1 Tragic irony (dramatic irony)
4.2 Comic irony
4.3 Metafiction
5 Irony as infinite, absolute negativity
6 Usage controversy
7 Cultural variation
8 Notes
9 Bibliography
10 External links
[edit] Roman irony
In Roman times, irony was used in public speaking and rhetoric, in which the words used were opposite their meaning or intent.[citation needed]
Shakespeare imitated Roman irony in his play Julius Caesar in Mark Antony’s speech: "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears! I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." (III, ii, 78–79), continually emphasizing that Brutus and the conspirators "are honourable men." The subsequent monologue uses extensive irony to glorify Caesar; Antony selects words that seem to support the assassins, while his purpose and his effect is to incite the crowd against them.
[edit] Verbal irony
Verbal irony is distinguished from related phenomena such as situational irony and dramatic irony in that it is produced intentionally by speakers. For instance, if a speaker exclaims, “I’m not upset!” but reveals an upset emotional state through her voice while truly trying to claim she's not upset, it would not be verbal irony just by virtue of its verbal manifestation (it would, however, be situational irony). But if the same speaker said the same words and intended to communicate that she was upset by claiming she was not, the utterance would be verbal irony. This distinction gets at an important aspect of verbal irony: speakers communicate implied propositions that are intentionally contradictory to the propositions contained in the words themselves. There are examples of verbal irony that do not rely on saying the opposite of what one means, and there are cases where all the traditional criteria of irony exist and the utterance is not ironic.
A fair amount of confusion has surrounded the issue regarding the relationship between verbal irony and sarcasm, and psychology researchers have addressed the issue directly (e.g, Lee & Katz, 1998). For example, ridicule is an important aspect of sarcasm, but not verbal irony in general. By this account, sarcasm is a particular kind of personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons that incorporates verbal irony. For example, a person reports to her friend that rather than going to a medical doctor to treat her ovarian cancer, she has decided to see a spiritual healer instead. In response her friend says sarcastically, "Great idea! I hear they do fine work!" (Note that this could easily be spoken literally by a person who believes in spiritual healing as a legitimate treatment for cancer.) The friend could have also replied with any number of ironic expressions that should not be labeled as sarcasm exactly, but still have many shared elements with sarcasm.
Research shows that most instances of verbal irony are considered to be sarcastic, suggesting that the term sarcasm is more widely used than its technical definition suggests it should be (Bryant & Fox Tree, 2002; Gibbs, 2000). Some psycholinguistic theorists suggest that sarcasm ("Great idea!", "I hear they do fine work."), hyperbole ("That's the best idea I have heard in years!"), understatement ("Sure, what the hell, it's only cancer..."), rhetorical questions ("What, does your spirit have cancer?"), double entendre ("I'll bet if you do that, you'll be communing with spirits in no time...") and jocularity ("Get them to fix your bad back while you're at it.") should all be considered forms of verbal irony (Gibbs, 2000). The differences between these tropes can be quite subtle, and relate to typical emotional reactions of listeners, and the rhetorical goals of the speakers. Regardless of the various ways folk taxonomies categorize figurative language types, people in conversation are attempting to decode speaker intentions and discourse goals, and are not generally identifying, by name, the kinds of tropes used.
[edit] Types of irony
A "no smoking" notice adorns the Sherlock Holmes tiles in Baker Street tube station, a prime example of situational irony.The word “irony” is used in many different situations in which an issue or result seems to contradict normal expectations derived from the previous state or condition.
[edit] Situational irony
Definition: irony of a situation is a discrepancy between the expected result and actual results when enlivened by 'perverse appropriateness.'.
Examples:
In Noel Coward's Oscar-winning Cavalcade, extremely happy honeymooners wonder how long their joy will last. The camera pulls back to reveal a life preserver stenciled “RMS Titanic.”
A situation immortalized in O. Henry's story The Gift of the Magi, in which a young couple is too poor to buy each other Christmas gifts. The man finally pawns his heirloom pocket watch to buy his wife a set of combs for her long, beautiful, prized hair. She, meanwhile, cuts off her treasured hair to sell it to a wig-maker for money to buy her husband a watch-chain. The irony is twofold: the couple, having parted with their tangible valuables, is caused by the act to discover the richness of the intangible.
When John Hinckley attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan, all of his shots initially missed the President; however a bullet ricocheted off the bullet-proof windows of the Presidential limousine and struck Reagan in the chest. Thus, the windows made to protect the President from gunfire were partially responsible for his being shot.
Rock trio ZZ Top are famously associated with the chest-length beards of guitarist Billy Gibbons and bassist Dusty Hill. The group's drummer, who only has a mustache, happens to be named Frank Beard.
A man jumps over a giant waterfall e.g. Niagara Falls in a barrel and survives, only to take a cleanup shower where he slips on the soap and dies from trauma.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, an actor famous for his violence in film, campaigning against violence in video games in general - which ironically includes those featuring his own characters.
An anti-technology website.
An anti-federalist runs for president.
[edit] Irony of fate (cosmic irony)
The common household expression “irony of fate” stems from the notion that the gods (or the Fates) are amusing themselves by toying with the minds of mortals, with deliberate ironic intent. Closely connected with cosmic irony, it arises from sharp contrasts between reality and human ideals, or between human intentions and actual results.
For example:
The artist Monet's loss of vision.
Ludwig van Beethoven’s loss of hearing.
Importing Cane Toads to Australia to protect the environment only to create worse environmental problems for Australia.
Both tetraethyl lead and the chlorofluorocarbon Freon-12 were invented as safe chemicals (both by chemist and mechanical engineer Thomas Midgley), and intended for wide environmental use. However, both compounds were environmental disasters: the first resulting in widespread lead poisoning, and the second class of compounds in widespread harm to the ozone layer.
Organic farming and health expert J.I. Rodale declared in a New York Times Magazine interview on June 4, 1971 that "I'm going to live to be 100, unless I'm run down by a sugar-crazed taxi driver". The very next day he was a guest on The Dick Cavett Show and again spoke about his plans for a long life saying that "I never felt better in my life!" Later in the show, he appeared to fall asleep while another guest was speaking, only to be found dead of a heart attack.
At the age of 23, basketball star "Pistol" Pete Maravich told a Pennsylvania reporter, "I don't want to play 10 years [in the NBA] and then die of a heart attack when I'm 40."[4] In 1988 he collapsed and died of a heart attack at age 40, after playing 10 NBA seasons.
Jim Fixx, who did much to popularize jogging as a form of healthy exercise in his 1977 book "The Complete Book of Running", died at the age of 52 of a heart attack while out jogging.
[edit] Historical irony (cosmic irony through time)
When history is seen through modern eyes, it sometimes happens that there is an especially sharp contrast between the way historical figures see their world and the probable future of their world, and what actually transpired. When the World War which began the 20th century (Also known as "World War I") was called The War to End All Wars, this later became an example of historical irony. Historical irony is therefore a subset of cosmic irony, but one in which the element of time is bound up.
Examples:
Contrasting statements were made at the dawn of computers, which were initially thought to be devices never capable of use outside a government or academic setting, with Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, saying, "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Historical irony is often encapsulated into statement:
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Nearly the last words of American Civil War General John Sedgwick before being shot through the eye by a Confederate sniper..[5]
In response to Mrs. Connally's comment, "Mr. President, you can't say that Dallas doesn't love you." John F. Kennedy uttered his last words, "That's very obvious."[6]
There are, however, many incidents of futurists or others making incorrect predictions of the future, without being examples of historical irony.
[edit] Ironic art
Most clever and satirical art is in some way ironic. The layers of complexity are added as more than one meaning can be attached to the piece. The subject can be taken for face value or absorbed into the conscious of association. Ideas may possess more than one interpretation. The alternate meanings do not come about due to personal experience, but rather the typical association of alternate meanings. In this way ironic art is almost always specific to culture, language or time period. Ironic art differs from satire as it does not have an intended target. Likewise it does not have an agenda to get across. Visually speaking this term is typically confined to the graphic design realm. Musically, this term is applied to individuals and bands that do not take themselves seriously. It is commonly said that a good sense of humor is needed to appreciate ironic music.
Graphic Design Examples:
The Communist Party by Tom Burns
Our House by Jean Jullien
Band Examples:
Dethklok
Deerhoof
Hot Chip
Paul Barman
Spinal Tap
Tenacious D
Nerdcore rappers
[edit] Fiction
A typical use of irony of fate occurs in the climax of Disney’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Frollo, the villain, stands upon a gargoyle. He raises his sword to strike Esmeralda, and says, “And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit!” At that moment, the gargoyle breaks off, sending Frollo falling to his death into the courtyard, filled with molten lead that Quasimodo had spilled to stop the oncoming guards. The irony is that Frollo’s line is used in reference to Esmeralda, but instead it winds up applying to Frollo himself as he plunges into the fiery pit of molten lead.
Situations resembling poetic justice, but lacking the aspect of justice, may also be ascribed to the irony of fate.
[edit] Tragic irony (dramatic irony)
Dramatic irony is very similar to verbal irony. Dramatic irony contains elements of contrast, but it usually refers to a situation in a greek play where a character who is omniscient watches over a less educated character as that character experiences a situation or event that is of lesser significance than that character realizes. Tragic irony particularly characterized the drama of ancient Greece, owing to the familiarity of the spectators with the legends on which so many of the plays were based. In this form of irony, the words and actions of the characters belie the real situation, which the spectators fully realize. It may take several forms: the character speaking may realize the irony of his words while the rest of the characters may not; or he or she may be unconscious while the other actors share the knowledge with the spectators; or the spectators may alone realize the irony. Sophocles’ Oedipus the King provides a classic example of tragic irony at its fullest and finest.
Irony may come to expression in inappropriate behavior. A witness to a scene involving threats of violence, for example, may perceive continued politeness on the part of the victim as increasingly ironic as it becomes increasingly inappropriate. Sometimes the “second” audience is the private self of the ironist.
When not recognized, irony can lead to misunderstanding. Even if an ironic statement is recognized as such, it often expresses less clearly what the speaker or writer wants to say than would a direct statement.
Another famous case of tragic irony occurs in the William Shakespeare play, Romeo and Juliet. When Romeo finds Juliet in a drugged death-like sleep, he assumes her to be dead and kills himself. Upon awakening to find her dead lover beside her, Juliet kills herself with his knife. Also, the play Richard III is full of dramatic irony. Many of Richard's lines are the complete antitheses of what he and the audience know he is thinking.
[edit] Comic irony
Layers of comic irony pervade (as an example) Jane Austen’s novels. The first sentence of Pride and Prejudice famously opens with a nearly mathematical postulate. “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.” The scene that follows immediately betrays the proposal. “No, a rich young man moving into the neighborhood did not come to seek a wife.” In fact, it soon becomes clear that Austen means the opposite: women (or their mothers) are always in search of, and desperately on the lookout for, a rich single man to make a husband. The irony deepens as the story promotes his romance and ends in a double wedding.
hope that helped
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Ahhhhhhhh, I see. Thanks for that Davidpaul. So the irony you are refering to in this case is Rip moaning like a little bitch about censorship at MD then taking over a suposeidly uncensored board at Getbig and deleting any posts she doesn't like.
You are right Davidpaul, that is pretty ironic. Or hypocritical. ;D
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Ahhhhhhhh, I see. Thanks for that Davidpaul. So the irony you are refering to in this case is Rip moaning like a little bitch about censorship at MD then taking over a suposeidly uncensored board at Getbig and deleting any posts she doesn't like.
You are right Davidpaul, that is pretty ironic. Or hypocritical. ;D
meltdown.
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It means you are a fucking idiot.
Why do you keep coming online and offline again? Will you please stop stalking? It's getting creepy.
I have a problem with my internet connection. Its a little creepy you are checking up on me. And I am hardly stalking you by posting in one thread. Can't we just be freinds :-*
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I have a problem with my internet connection. Its a little creepy you are checking up on me. And I am hardly stalking you by posting in one thread. Can't we just be freinds :-*
You were posting shit from all over the V board on the MD Board over the last several days. Then you joined GB and have made ZERO relevant or interesting posts anywhere on this board.
Are you still pissed that I told True Adonis that you were the one modifying his posts on the MD Board, which led to you being forced to publicly apologize to TA in order to keep your modship? ;)
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Alex whats this thread all about on MD?
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=16243
crazy fools ::)
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You were posting shit from all over the V board on the MD Board over the last several days. Then you joined GB and have made ZERO relevant or interesting posts anywhere on this board.
Are you still pissed that I told True Adonis that you were the one modifying his posts on the MD Board, which led to you being forced to publicly apologize to TA in order to keep your modship? ;)
What are you talking about? I left my name on one of his posts after I changed it, so hardly. Didn't exactly do me anyharm anyhow. You have a tendancy for exageration, try not to get so emotional.
Maybe you are upset your endless 'look at me' shmoe thread has gone from MD :'( :'(
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hahahah The Great Alex England owning the shit out of some getbig pussies
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hahahah The Great Alex England owning the shit out of some getbig pussies
STFU until you're given permission to open your cockholster, bitch.
Hahahaha I bet you and Alex go down on each other more than Getbig goes down on us Getbiggers - assuming you're male here, of course
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STFU until you're given permission to open your cockholster, bitch.
Hahahaha I bet you and Alex go down on each other more than Getbig goes down on us Getbiggers - assuming you're male here, of course
Mighty Midget to the rescue
Tell us another one of your incredibly interesting adventures Apu
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Mighty Midget to the rescue
Tell us another one of your incredibly interesting adventures Apu
Doubt if you'll find any of them interesting - I've had no rough 'encounters' with well hung Jamaicans like you have
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Doubt if you'll find any of them interesting - I've had no rough 'encounters' with well hung Jamaicans like you have
Are you not that peculiar looking chubby black specimen Apu ?
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Are you not that peculiar looking chubby black specimen Apu ?
Let's see - I'm not your mom, so definitely not you pig :-*
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Alex whats this thread all about on MD?
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=16243
crazy fools ::)
Looks like that thread has already been deleted...what was it about?
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Let's see - I'm not your mom, so definitely not you pig :-*
Your kinda slow, aintcha?
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What are you talking about? I left my name on one of his posts after I changed it, so hardly. Didn't exactly do me anyharm anyhow. You have a tendancy for exageration, try not to get so emotional.
Maybe you are upset your endless 'look at me' shmoe thread has gone from MD :'( :'(
Don't worry gang... there's still plenty of other Schmoe threads on MD for all to see.
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Don't worry gang... there's still plenty of other Schmoe threads on MD for all to see.
I notice you use a capital S, I was unaware schmoe was a proper noun. Or is the a hidden subtext that escapes me tu? ??? :D
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I notice you use a capital S, I was unaware schmoe was a proper noun. Or is the a hidden subtext that escapes me tu? ??? :D
I use it in proper reverence to the famous "SchmoeCountry".
:D
If my capitalization causes you grief... I just don't know what to say about that.
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I use it in proper reverence to the famous "SchmoeCountry".
:D
If my capitalization causes you grief... I just don't know what to say about that.
Thats not very nice, calling sioux schmoecountry. >:(
It doesn't cause me grief, I was simply worried I was overanalizing your use of capitals. The medication makes me do that sometimes.
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Thats not very nice, calling sioux schmoecountry. >:(
It doesn't cause me grief, I was simply worried I was overanalizing your use of capitals. The medication makes me do that sometimes.
I've called him that on numerous occasions and I honestly don't do it with any malice... It's just a big joke and he knows that.
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I've called him that on numerous occasions and I honestly don't do it with any malice... It's just a big joke and he knows that.
I know you and sioux are cool Tu, Happy Halloween :)
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Hi Davidpaul, hi Danielson ;D
omg not you
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omg not you
Shire, you got me banned last night from MD! ;D
You are a bad influence.
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Shire, you got me banned last night from MD! ;D
You are a bad influence.
haha I thought you left a long time ago?
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haha I thought you left a long time ago?
I did.
My girlfriend had an account there also. I got her account banned last night. The funny thing is, I tried to get my account banned for months and they wouldn't ban me. Finally, I sent Adman a PM, and told him to delete my account and he would try to talk me out of it. He would tell me to keep doing would I do.
I got adamant about it and he deleted my account. The whole thing they did with TA and Special ED was wrong. In the beginning TA brought alot of members and traffic to that board. They basically used him and Special ED.
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I did.
My girlfriend had an account there also. I got her account banned last night. The funny thing is, I tried to get my account banned for months and they wouldn't ban me. Finally, I sent Adman a PM, and told him to delete my account and he would try to talk me out of it. He would tell me to keep doing would I do.
I got adamant about it and he deleted my account. The whole thing they did with TA and Special ED was wrong. In the beginning TA brought alot of members and traffic to that board. They basically used him and Special ED.
Yes, the True Adonis days were when I started expressing my opposition to the way things were being handled on their board, and for that, I was forever labelled a "troll" and a "trouble maker." ::)
They treat most of their board members like total shit, including some of the mods who work hard and devote a lot of time and effort to their board, and they have alienated many a good member and several high-level competitors. I have no interest in trying to get myself banned, but I did ask for my account to be deleted and for every post I have ever made on the board to be erased. That didn't happen though.
My husband and I will never be posting there again. We contributed alot to that board in terms of contest coverage, pics of competitors and competitions, etc. but we were told that all we do is cause trouble and that we contribute nothing. ::)
They run their operation like a fkn circus over there, and secretly, they love the drama, they thrive on it.
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I was hoping all of my post would be deleted, but Adman wouldn't do it. I sent him numerous pm's to delete them. They thrive on drama. You are right about that, I guess they think it will draw more people to their board.
Did Adman ask you why you wanted your account and your husbands account deleted?
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I was hoping all of my post would be deleted, but Adman wouldn't do it. I sent him numerous pm's to delete them. They thrive on drama. You are right about that, I guess they think it will draw more people to their board.
Did Adman ask you why you wanted your account and your husbands account deleted?
I asked "Admin" not "Adman." Admin told me to ask Adman lol, but I didn't bother because someone else "on the inside" over there told me they will not do it because they secretly love the drama and the traffic it brings to their board. ::)
Maybe Adman will read this, melt down, and delete my account after all. ;D
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I asked "Admin" not "Adman." Admin told me to ask Adman lol, but I didn't bother because someone else "on the inside" over there told me they will not do it because they secretly love the drama and the traffic it brings to their board. ::)
Maybe Adman will read this, melt down, and delete my account after all. ;D
I guess that's why they wouldn't delete my post and account. They liked the drama I caused trying to get banned. It seems like they have pissed off a lot of people. The need to watch it, they are going to upset the wrong person one day.
Vince could sue the sh*t out of MD for DA spitting on him. Derek was working at the MD booth when he did that.
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I guess that's why they wouldn't delete my post and account. They liked the drama I caused trying to get banned. It seems like they have pissed off a lot of people. The need to watch it, they are going to upset the wrong person one day.
Vince could sue the sh*t out of MD for DA spitting on him. Derek was working at the MD booth when he did that.
Adman needs to "check himself" before he wrecks himself and the rest of that board.
Adman telling danielson to "check himself" still cracks me up when I think about it. We got some mileage out of that one! :D
It's too bad no one has a sense of humor over there.
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Adman needs to "check himself" before he wrecks himself and the rest of that board.
Adman telling danielson to "check himself" still cracks me up when I think about it. We got some mileage out of that one! :D
It's too bad no one has a sense of humor over there.
Why did he tell danielson to check himself?
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Why did he tell danielson to check himself?
hahaha I can't even remember, I think it may have had something to do with the battle that ensued over the Grapefruit Fucker thread. ;D
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hahaha I can't even remember, I think it may have had something to do with the battle that ensued over the Grapefruit Fucker thread. ;D
I rememeber that. That was a funny thread.
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hahaha I can't even remember, I think it may have had something to do with the battle that ensued over the Grapefruit Fucker thread. ;D
I'm pretty sure it had to do with danielson asking as to why would they hire a grapefruit fucker... It was great stuff...
His original banning was because of "The button".
He wanted the "Show unread replies" type button, and he asked and asked and asked... They thought he was being annoying or something and they banned him.
Sad really.
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I was banned for posting covers of Muscle & Fitness
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I was banned for posting covers of Muscle & Fitness
What?
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What?
It's true. The MD Board is so exclusive that they have alienated themselves from the rest of the BB world. They don't allow things from other publications to be posted or discussed on their board.
I almost feel sorry for their members, especially the die-hard loyalists, who may not see much else and actually think that MD is much bigger of a deal than it really is. :-[
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What?
Yeah, I posted these...
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a5.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a4.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a3.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a2.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a1.jpg)
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It's true. The MD Board is so exclusive that they have alienated themselves from the rest of the BB world. They don't allow things from other publications to be posted or discussed on their board.
I almost feel sorry for their members, especially the die-hard loyalists, who may not see much else and actually think that MD is much bigger of a deal than it really is. :-[
Wow......You know, you really can't be mad at the MOD's over there. They are being instructed and incourage to act like jackasses.
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Wow! Awesome covers... Wish i hadn't missed that thread before they deleted it.
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Yeah, I posted these...
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a5.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a4.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a3.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a2.jpg)
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u66/AVBG/a1.jpg)
You're fucking kidding me?
They banned you for posting that?
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You're fucking kidding me?
They banned you for posting that?
Yup..