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Whos next??????
Now pretty much everyone they have is an east coast guy, whats up with that? Victor, Kai, Evan Centopani .
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MD guys finally realized - if you sign with MD, you're not gonna get your props at the Olympia, because guys signed with MD simply DO NOT win the Olympia.
You can go back in history. They never give it to guys not with weider, cause they want to use them on covers of FLEX, M & F, etc. They wouldn't dare give all that power to their competitor MD by giving the title to an MD guy.
Victor and Wolf are Md guys.
Didn't they both get screwed this year?
jay is a weider guy.
Didn't he get a gift this year?
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MD guys finally realized - if you sign with MD, you're not gonna get your props at the Olympia, because guys signed with MD simply DO NOT win the Olympia.
You can go back in history. They never give it to guys not with weider, cause they want to use them on covers of FLEX, M & F, etc. They wouldn't dare give all that power to their competitor MD by giving the title to an MD guy.
Victor and Wolf are Md guys.
Didn't they both get screwed this year?
jay is a weider guy.
Didn't he get a gift this year?
spot on, MD is gonna suck more than it already does. MuscleMag is the best IMO of all the mags out there.
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spot on, MD is gonna suck more than it already does. MuscleMag is the best IMO of all the mags out there.
honestly, let's list all the Weider guys -
Ronnie.
Jay.
Melvin.
Toney.
JoJ.
Phil Heath.
They ALL get good looks, they all win shows. Ronnie should have been 6th. Jay should have been 5th or 4th. JoJ won a show this year. Freeman had a magical run - 3rd at the Arnold too.
Now, the MD guys:
Vic - screwed at the O.
Dex- screwed at the O.
Wolf - majorly screwed at the O.
Kai, Branch - they know the score. Don't bother with the O - you're going to have 5 guys getting gifts over you.
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MD guys finally realized - if you sign with MD, you're not gonna get your props at the Olympia, because guys signed with MD simply DO NOT win the Olympia.
You can go back in history. They never give it to guys not with weider, cause they want to use them on covers of FLEX, M & F, etc. They wouldn't dare give all that power to their competitor MD by giving the title to an MD guy.
Victor and Wolf are Md guys.
Didn't they both get screwed this year?
jay is a weider guy.
Didn't he get a gift this year?
very well said.
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Haven't you guys heard about the golden rule?
The one with the gold makes the rules. :)
Sad to say, but that is the way of the world. :-\
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Livewire speaks the truth.
Nobody wants to see a champ associated with a piece of shit magazine that condone overuse of drugs, gay4$ shitstains and fucking stupid recycled articles about bullshit "research" .... and ran by a ambigiously gay middle aged fuck stick assisted by the Nationals failure known as "Jumbo Palumbo"
Hail to Weider + FLEX to put a good image back on Bodybuilding.
If bb.com buys AMI, even for the best.
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Alex, tell u how u really feel ;D
Livewire speaks the truth.
Nobody wants to see a champ associated with a piece of shit magazine that condone overuse of drugs, gay4$ shitstains and fucking stupid recycled articles about bullshit "research" .... and ran by a ambigiously gay middle aged fuck stick assisted by the Nationals failure known as "Jumbo Palumbo"
Hail to Weider + FLEX to put a good image back on Bodybuilding.
If bb.com buys AMI, even for the best.
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does musclemag int. have it's own bber's like m.d. ? can you compare the two mags for quality ?
They have King Kamali and Lee Priest. One guy who can't compete, and one who shouldn't. And Shawn Ray.
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Well, lets take a look at the '07 schedule:
Ironman-
SAC Pro-Winner: Toney Freman/ MD
ASC-Winner- Victor/ MD
Colorado Pro-Winner: Kai Greene/ MD
Europa Pro- Winner: Silvio/ AMI
NYPro- Winner: Branch Warren/ MD
Montreal- Winner: Darrem/ AMI
Keystone- Winner:Dennis Wolf/ MD
ACPro- Winner: JOJ/ AMI
Santa Susana- Winner: Paco Batista/ ----
MD- 6 wins
AMI-3 wins
NON- 1 win
OLYMPIA-
Jay- AMI
Vic- MD
Dex- MD
Ronnie- AMI
Wolf- MD
Melvin- MD
Silvio- AMI
Gustavo- MD
JOJ- AMI
David Henry-AMI
Seems like MD had the upper hand in terms of placings....to think there is any conspiracy for or against anyone with a pubs contract is ludicrious at best...Guys sign with diferent pubs for a variety of reasons, first one being a better offer (money wise), second one being associated with a particular company for personal reasons (dont agree with the philosophy, etc)...
No different than any other sport....
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The worst part about this is that Melvin will probably no longer be outspoken :(
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Seems like MD had the upper hand in terms of placings....to think there is any conspiracy for or against anyone with a pubs contract is ludicrious at best...Guys sign with diferent pubs for a variety of reasons, first one being a better offer (money wise), second one being associated with a particular company for personal reasons (dont agree with the philosophy, etc)...
No different than any other sport....
Nonetheless, do you agree that their approach to "commercializing" bodybuilding does more harm than good to the sport?
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Nonetheless, do you agree that their approach to "commercializing" bodybuilding does more harm than good to the sport?
I think it's harmful... It's not even good commercialization. It's all gay. I think MD has way too many G4P guys associated with it.
Look what they called Evan Centopani (Did I get his last name right? I'm not looking it up)
"Barely Legal"? That wreaks of homo-eroticism.
I think it's terrible.
Kai Greene... The guy fucked a grapefruit. It's just bad.
They continue to associate with Derek Anthony, and he spit on a guy (Granted Vince is a pussy, and didn't do shit, but come on... DA SPIT on him!)
M&F is the best of the bunch.
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Seems like MD had the upper hand in terms of placings....to think there is any conspiracy for or against anyone with a pubs contract is ludicrious at best...Guys sign with diferent pubs for a variety of reasons, first one being a better offer (money wise), second one being associated with a particular company for personal reasons (dont agree with the philosophy, etc)...
No different than any other sport....
no offense chickles... but you couldn't admit it if you did think it was true.
livewire is saying that Weider won't give away their prize title. You work for weider. Anything BUT disagreeing would show you believe they cheat.
Fact is, NO WAY they let an MD guy win the crown. You HAVE to disagree bob.
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I spoke to Melvin about it the other day and trust me when I say this he is NOT losing sleep over not being associated with that gang of riff raff over there.
Plus it's now an entirely EAST COAST magazine. It should be retitled...'NYC BB Magazine'.
For fux sakes. They have a title called 'I Am The Greatest' by Ben 'Milky Leaky Nipples' White. Who gives a rats ass what the fk he has to say? I 'd rather hear about what Jeremy Freeman(his trainer) has to say then that nobody.
It all went downhill when they lost Lee. That was one of the very few 'Q&A' that was decent.
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I spoke to Melvin about it the other day and trust me when I say this he is NOT losing sleep over not being associated with that gang of riff raff over there.
Plus it's now an entirely EAST COAST magazine. It should be retitled...'NYC BB Magazine'.
For fux sakes. They have a title called 'I Am The Greatest' by Ben 'Milky Leaky Nipples' White. Who gives a rats ass what the fk he has to say? I 'd rather hear about what Jeremy Freeman(his trainer) has to say then that nobody.
It all went downhill when they lost Lee. That was one of the very few 'Q&A' that was decent.
The Block speaks the truth. As soon as they dropped Lee, I bailed on that shitty mag.....
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I predict Gustavo the next MD guy to jump ship.
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I don't know if being an MD athlete means that your always gonna get screwed at the O, but id like if it Wolf were a Weider athlete.
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GREAT THREAD ! A lot of what's said here is absolute Truth ... without a doubt ! I, also, find it interesting ( I was just thinking this Yesterday actually ) that MD seems to have a majority of East Coast Bodybuilders in their Mag ... can you say " biased " ? ;)
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I don't know if being an MD athlete means that your always gonna get screwed at the O, but id like if it Wolf were a Weider athlete.
Wolfe was in the AMI stable when he turned pro then was signed this year by MD.
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Well, lets take a look at the '07 schedule:
Ironman-
SAC Pro-Winner: Toney Freman/ MD
ASC-Winner- Victor/ MD
Colorado Pro-Winner: Kai Greene/ MD
Europa Pro- Winner: Silvio/ AMI
NYPro- Winner: Branch Warren/ MD
Montreal- Winner: Darrem/ AMI
Keystone- Winner:Dennis Wolf/ MD
ACPro- Winner: JOJ/ AMI
Santa Susana- Winner: Paco Batista/ ----
MD- 6 wins
AMI-3 wins
NON- 1 win
OLYMPIA-
Jay- AMI
Vic- MD
Dex- MD
Ronnie- AMI
Wolf- MD
Melvin- MD
Silvio- AMI
Gustavo- MD
JOJ- AMI
David Henry-AMI
Seems like MD had the upper hand in terms of placings....to think there is any conspiracy for or against anyone with a pubs contract is ludicrious at best...Guys sign with diferent pubs for a variety of reasons, first one being a better offer (money wise), second one being associated with a particular company for personal reasons (dont agree with the philosophy, etc)...
No different than any other sport....
Just to play devils advocate for a second there Bob...
The sport of Bb`g is represented by who holds the "OLYMPIA" crown and thus garners alot of attention.Nobody really gives a hoot about the smaller shows champs (well maybe the arnold)...just as the WWE champ represents the WWE as a whole and alot of media attention is on him.Jay was on some morning media show prior to the O wasnt he ?
ALso it is WEIDERS olympia.As much of as an `unbias` card maybe played here , but being their own show wouldnt they want the champ to be one of their (obviously within reason , not some ouuta shape guy).
Human nature is human nature , being biased is part of that , its unbiasness that needs to be taught and worked on
Its not meant to discredit you , but rather im just asking
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They have King Kamali and Lee Priest. One guy who can't compete, and one who shouldn't. And Shawn Ray.
No, we no longer have Shawn and as for new guys...The other mags throw ridiculous amounts of money at them for realistically no return. It's hard to play the athlete game when mags like MD are willing to throw amounts of money at guys at a loss to them. But changes are being made...all in good time.
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Just to play devils advocate for a second there Bob...
The sport of Bb`g is represented by who holds the "OLYMPIA" crown and thus garners alot of attention.Nobody really gives a hoot about the smaller shows champs (well maybe the arnold)...just as the WWE champ represents the WWE as a whole and alot of media attention is on him.Jay was on some morning media show prior to the O wasnt he ?
ALso it is WEIDERS olympia.As much of as an `unbias` card maybe played here , but being their own show wouldnt they want the champ to be one of their (obviously within reason , not some ouuta shape guy).
Human nature is human nature , being biased is part of that , its unbiasness that needs to be taught and worked on
Its not meant to discredit you , but rather im just asking
I agree with what you're saying...and I'm sure the people at AMI are happy one of their own won... but the judges aren't affiliated with either group....much like years ago when a guy named Ronnie Coleman won the Olympia despite being a Met-Rx guy.
As I pointed out on PBW 2 weeks ago...it came down to ONE more judge voting for Jay in first...that's how close it was. If it were a blowout, I would have a major problem with the results....
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I agree with what you're saying...and I'm sure the people at AMI are happy one of their own won... but the judges aren't affiliated with either group....much like years ago when a guy named Ronnie Coleman won the Olympia despite being a Met-Rx guy.
Was Ronnie signed with Weider when he won the crown in 98?
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Was Ronnie signed with Weider when he won the crown in 98?
no.
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no.
I thought he had signed the contract a day or two before... or was it a day or two after? I remember thinking how "odd" it was.
Either way, I'd say they were in discussions with him prior to the O victory and probably had a verbal contract that he would sign.
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I thought he had signed the contract a day or two before... or was it a day or two after? I remember thinking how "odd" it was.
Either way, I'd say they were in discussions with him prior to the O victory and probably had a verbal contract that he would sign.
But do you honestly think he wouldn't have won if he didn't sign with Weider? He blew eveyone out of the water in his first two wins, and it wasn't because of a contract with anyone.
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But do you honestly think he wouldn't have won if he didn't sign with Weider? He blew eveyone out of the water in his first two wins, and it wasn't because of a contract with anyone.
I can not say that definitively, but had he said no, do you not thank a Shawn, Flex, or Kevin 'might' have gotten the nod... similarly to how Jay got the nod this year?
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MD guys finally realized - if you sign with MD, you're not gonna get your props at the Olympia, because guys signed with MD simply DO NOT win the Olympia.
You can go back in history. They never give it to guys not with weider, cause they want to use them on covers of FLEX, M & F, etc. They wouldn't dare give all that power to their competitor MD by giving the title to an MD guy.
Victor and Wolf are Md guys.
Didn't they both get screwed this year?
jay is a weider guy.
Didn't he get a gift this year?
haney was an MD guy back in the day....
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I think the conspiracy only really applies to the Olympia...
Further, it has to do with who ponies up the most money to promote the show. If Bob had competed at the Olympia in less than stellar shape, it would stand to reason that he would get a gift. This is not necessarily AMI related though. If MD put up the most money, Victor may have won.
Just my thoughts and by no means and I saying this is fact, just a possibility. I do not feel Jay was the top contender of the day. However, reigning Mr. Olympias do tend to keep their placing.
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At the end of the day, Wolf got screwed. Who cares about the rest of 2007.
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I think the conspiracy only really applies to the Olympia...
Further, it has to do with who ponies up the most money to promote the show. If Bob had competed at the Olympia in less than stellar shape, it would stand to reason that he would get a gift. This is not necessarily AMI related though. If MD put up the most money, Victor may have won.
Just my thoughts and by no means and I saying this is fact, just a possibility. I do not feel Jay was the top contender of the day. However, reigning Mr. Olympias do tend to keep their placing.
LOL....
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LOL....
Are you arguing against the very fundamental fact of life that money talks?
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....guys, guys. You've all LOST. Your MD Conspiracy Theory doesn't exist. Bob's shown you, but if you were real fans of bodybuilding you'd already know the results, known their "allegiences" and this post would never have been written.
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Muscletech has been around for quite some time now....why didn't it "buy" the title for Jay before?
ridiculous...
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Muscletech has been around for quite some time now....why didn't it "buy" the title for Jay before?
ridiculous...
While you have proven that being with MD doesn't kill your chances of winning pro shows, your apparent point of view that politics play no role in the IFBB is naive. Politics play a role in everything in life.
Question for you: did you have Jay winning?
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Was Ronnie signed with Weider when he won the crown in 98?
He was with Met-Rx
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While you have proven that being with MD doesn't kill your chances of winning pro shows, your apparent point of view that politics play no role in the IFBB is naive. Politics play a role in everything in life.
Question for you: did you have Jay winning?
I had Victor in the prejudging...I had Jay at the finals....I had Ronnie Lower
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you saw the prejudging? i thought you were mcing the womens? why the fuck was charles glass the mc and gunter the mc at night?
but more importantly.. WHY WAS CHARLES GLASS THE MC? That should never happena again.. please dont let it LOL
I watched the prejudging from the front row...as it was held BEFORE the Womens Finals....
Gunter and Charles proved color comentary with Dan Solomon for the live webcast we were shooting...
Neither MC'd anything..
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i think md is a scam. they dont pay anyone much and they have 350 pages of advertisement. the articles or repetitive and boring. steve bllechman has it figured out well. advertise advertise fedd the children crumbs. maybe the athletes need to stand up and say something. the godfather steve owns their asses.................. wait the biggest issue ever in terms of advertisement
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I had Victor in the prejudging...I had Jay at the finals....I had Ronnie Lower
Chick, come on... You had Jay winning the O?
In that condition? You are a funny guy, I'll give you that much.
Keep cashing that AMI paycheck... I'm not a player hater, I'm a player appreciator.
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Quick note though....what WOULD happen if Victor actually won the O this last year?
Would FLEX be able to do any interviews with him, seeing as he's an MD athelete? I'm sure they could have him in the contest review, but as far as an "Ask Mr O" collumn or something along those lines...it would complicate matters.
But recall that Jay was an MD athelete too about 3 or 4 years ago...and when he left, they let some true idiot write articles about Jay's bodypart training for a long time after Jay stopped the QnA articles. Somehow Jay was signed with Weider but could still have that coverage in MD as well.
Anyway, what would happen?...that would be a novelty of sorts.
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I had Victor in the prejudging...I had Jay at the finals.
No you didn't. ;D
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MD guys finally realized - if you sign with MD, you're not gonna get your props at the Olympia, because guys signed with MD simply DO NOT win the Olympia.
You can go back in history. They never give it to guys not with weider, cause they want to use them on covers of FLEX, M & F, etc. They wouldn't dare give all that power to their competitor MD by giving the title to an MD guy.
Victor and Wolf are Md guys.
Didn't they both get screwed this year?
jay is a weider guy.
Didn't he get a gift this year?
Haney ::)
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spot on, MD is gonna suck more than it already does. MuscleMag is the best IMO of all the mags out there.
hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaha
how's life in 1993?
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Chick:
As far as Jay winning by only one point, that may be a truism, however:
I recently had dinner with one of the Olympia judges (very famous, legend in the sport, can't say much more for all will know his I.D.), and, at the judges meeting, he was AGHAST at the fact that some judges were considering Vic Martinez for the win.
My judge friend was truly crestfallen.
He asked his fellow judges, "How can you consider this guy to represent the title of Mr. Olympia? He is a convicted felon with many legal black marks against him. We simply CANNOT have someone such as him win Mr. Olympia."
And I agree with him.
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Personally i am pretty confident that Vic will never win an Olympia. Have thought that for a long time.
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Remember, even Arnold was thunderously angry that Martinez won this past year's ASC. This was so because nearly simultaneously, Martinez was in the media prominently for his drug and Gold's Gym Debacle indiscretions.
And, naturally, with Arnold being who and what he is, wanted NOTHING to do with such nonsense. He simply cannot simply be connected in ANY WAY with such a wayward and sinister fellow such as Martinez.
And, for the record, by physique alone, I do not see the attraction to Martinez. He barely makes the top 5, in my opinion.
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Well, lets take a look at the '07 schedule:
Ironman-
SAC Pro-Winner: Toney Freman/ MD
ASC-Winner- Victor/ MD
Colorado Pro-Winner: Kai Greene/ MD
Europa Pro- Winner: Silvio/ AMI
NYPro- Winner: Branch Warren/ MD
Montreal- Winner: Darrem/ AMI
Keystone- Winner:Dennis Wolf/ MD
ACPro- Winner: JOJ/ AMI
Santa Susana- Winner: Paco Batista/ ----
MD- 6 wins
AMI-3 wins
NON- 1 win
OLYMPIA-
Jay- AMI
Vic- MD
Dex- MD
Ronnie- AMI
Wolf- MD
Melvin- MD
Silvio- AMI
Gustavo- MD
JOJ- AMI
David Henry-AMI
Seems like MD had the upper hand in terms of placings....to think there is any conspiracy for or against anyone with a pubs contract is ludicrious at best...Guys sign with diferent pubs for a variety of reasons, first one being a better offer (money wise), second one being associated with a particular company for personal reasons (dont agree with the philosophy, etc)...
No different than any other sport....
I agree with Chick on this...I do not believe there is a bias....
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I can not say that definitively, but had he said no, do you not thank a Shawn, Flex, or Kevin 'might' have gotten the nod... similarly to how Jay got the nod this year?
thats the thing about bbing. in essence, their physiques are all similar: muscular, ripped, well proportionned and displayed well, and they all have points that the other guy doesn't have. take almost any olympia and anyone in the top 5 could have won without much negative feedback. that's how jay can win, because he's the biggest. that's how big guys who arent as ripped can win, and how smaller guys who are more ripped can win. unless it's a jocelyn plettier winning over a dexter jackson, no one can flat-out say that it was a 100% gift, cause there's always something that one guy has above the other, which can and will be used as a reason why they should win.
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Personally i am pretty confident that Vic will never win an Olympia. Have thought that for a long time.
And keep on thinking it, because it's true.
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I thought he had signed the contract a day or two before... or was it a day or two after? I remember thinking how "odd" it was.
Either way, I'd say they were in discussions with him prior to the O victory and probably had a verbal contract that he would sign.
The first contract was issued on Dec 4th 1998 , and Ron was under Met-Rx contract during the 1998 Mr.O