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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: candidizzle on November 01, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
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what can you tell me about growth hormone? i have heard that its much safer than test for young users, that it promotes fat loss, muscle growth, AND some skin and hair beautifying properties as well. it is attainable by prescription...yes?
i read studies about giving aids patients 6 iu's per day and they gained 8 lbs lean mass and lost 6 pounds of fat over two weeks. and they werent training. pretty impressive.
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Bro, I'm going to be gentle on ya here, because if I know the hard cores in here. Your going to be walking funny after asking a question as you have stated, if you know what I'm saying.
Here is what you need to know..if you are just starting out..GH is not the way to start.GH is very expensive to get the gains you want, usually has another cycle that is being taken at the same time.
As I understand why you are on this board, and it's to make the next step for you easier as far as AAS. Do alot of reserch and really get your head around what it is your venturing into. This sport or AAS use is not for the meek, or the fly by nighters....it's a life, it's a passion and it's a love...have those things and appreciate all info you get from anyone in here and you will truly know what the world of bodybuilding and AAS use is all about..
That's it...that's my speech...
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Bro, I'm going to be gentle on ya here, because if I know the hard cores in here. Your going to be walking funny after asking a question as you have stated, if you know what I'm saying.
Here is what you need to know..if you are just starting out..GH is not the way to start.GH is very expensive to get the gains you want, usually has another cycle that is being taken at the same time.
As I understand why you are on this board, and it's to make the next step for you easier as far as AAS. Do alot of reserch and really get your head around what it is your venturing into. This sport or AAS use is not for the meek, or the fly by nighters....it's a life, it's a passion and it's a love...have those things and appreciate all info you get from anyone in here and you will truly know what the world of bodybuilding and AAS use is all about..
That's it...that's my speech...
you have no idea the amount of passion i have for this sport. it is impossible to overstate my dedication to improving my body and pursuing my full bodybuilding potential. i spend all day everyday wrapped up in bodybuilding. if im in class, im thinking about my meal schedules, or my workout, or some new theory or info i just read about..if im at home i am on getbig and google and milossarcev.com and youtube just soaking in as much as i possibly can, if im in the gym im giving 250% more effort than EVEN I thought that i was capable of giving.
now if you know anything of value on the subject of this thread, id love to hear it. otherwise; keep your fucking mouth shut and stop trying to lecture me.
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My advice? DONT, your gona be crash and burn #3 this week.
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SHit, he was polite, you should of seen the long piece I keyed telling you your not ready.
Its way TOO clear.
This aint like take a tylenol for a headache. Theres a crash, and reset period.
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Dude, some of the greatest champions of all time have trained, ate and rested for YEARS before ever starting a cycle. Some consider GH useless and too expensive. I believe it is worthy if you are using real GH and enough for your goals. Too little and nada, nothing.... But no gear will work witout the basics- FOOD, TRAIN, REST! Unless you have dwarfism (height issues), dont bother with GH at this point.
Learn to crawl before you walk...
I have been training for over 15 years consistently. Wasn't until 2 years ago until I touched any gear. During my natty days, I beat guys that were using for years. My point, asses your genetic potential after you have put in two-three years consistantly eating the right foods, training intensly and resting! No quick fixes man....
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not a flame..but how old are you cand?
if you have a passion for the sport....all aspects need to be addressed, including steroids. im sure you know something in regard to training. im sure you know something in regard to nutrition. but from your posts on the steroid board it is clear that you have ALOT of studying to do with regard to the drug side of bodybuilding.
start reading posts...not just here, but on other GOOD boards that are still around. read, study, read some more. med journals and clinical studies explain alot as well.
if you are asking about oral only cycles and GH at a young age...you still have some reading to do.
here a great board with TONS of medical info
www.cuttingedgemuscle.co m
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you have no idea the amount of passion i have for this sport. it is impossible to overstate my dedication to improving my body and pursuing my full bodybuilding potential. i spend all day everyday wrapped up in bodybuilding. if im in class, im thinking about my meal schedules, or my workout, or some new theory or info i just read about..if im at home i am on getbig and google and milossarcev.com and youtube just soaking in as much as i possibly can, if im in the gym im giving 250% more effort than EVEN I thought that i was capable of giving.
now if you know anything of value on the subject of this thread, id love to hear it. otherwise; keep your fucking mouth shut and stop trying to lecture me.
You said while I'm in class, that means at oldest you are probably 22 but I'd guess you might be in high school based on the way you are talking. WAY too young to be taking GH and probably too young to be taking AAS. If you are going to come on here saying things like "keep your fucking mouth shut and stop trying to lecture me." you won't get any help. Don't come on here acting like a bad ass because I promise you there are more bad ass people who have been going as hard at it as you say you do for 5x as long.
You say you "spend all day on getbig etc etc". You have only been a member for 3 months. I registered on these boards in March of '03 and was on Ron's (The admin's) boards before these ones. Once you have been around for a while people respect you (assuming you don't make an ass out of yourself) but coming on here and acting like these boards have been your life just shows how young you are. You aren't putting things into a long term perspective, we see this all the time. People come on here all fired up about how they are going to be the next Ronnie Coleman and then they run their mouths and think they know better than the vets. Pretty soon they are asking how to get rid of their gyno, jaundice, depression, headaches, etc because they didn't heed the warning and advice we tried to give them. What is our advice for you? Slow down. Keep lifting hard. Once you are about 22-23 you can try your (hopefully) first cycle of AAS. After about 5-10 of them you can ask about GH. I will not advise you on GH before then.
Relax and realize that many if not most of us have been around for a while and our advise isn't just BS. You can get as cocky as you want in the gym but in here the vets rule, if you don't respect them you will find yourself on the outside of a knowledgeable and helpful circle.
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Real Good advice above. I crashed BAD 1st time.
I took all the Steroid advice from the overgrown EuroMonsters in Pattaya but I was WAY to smart to listen about end game....
Shit, how could anything going so good go wrong...? ::)
Clomid? Nolva? HCG? Oh they took their time explaining, but I was WAY to smart....
At the rate I was growing and gaining strength I'd be biggert then them in Know-it-all-time...! ::)
Uh Hu...
If it seems Im bashing you, Im not.... I hope you get more out of BBing than I have.
If you dont read between the lines you'll find out the hard way that this is a little more complicated than
... Take Xcc of TE ...
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you have no idea the amount of passion i have for this sport. it is impossible to overstate my dedication to improving my body and pursuing my full bodybuilding potential. i spend all day everyday wrapped up in bodybuilding. if im in class, im thinking about my meal schedules, or my workout, or some new theory or info i just read about..if im at home i am on getbig and google and milossarcev.com and youtube just soaking in as much as i possibly can, if im in the gym im giving 250% more effort than EVEN I thought that i was capable of giving.
now if you know anything of value on the subject of this thread, id love to hear it. otherwise; keep your fucking mouth shut and stop trying to lecture me.
So here is what I was saying about the love for the sport...Coming onto a board and telling someone that probably has forgotten more than you have learned about the sport, to keep his mouth shut...well hey that will get you lots of attention, but not much respect.
You say you have a love for the sport and that it's your passion and such...that's great it's nice to know that you have put yourself into it as you have.
But coming on here and asking retarded fuckin questions about the gear, claiming your stats about your size and bodyfat and then showing pictures of your younger brother is not going to help your cause. Grab a clue here sunshine this board is full of guys that LOVE and RESPECT the sport....you my friend are a kid that has alot of time to grow. Start doing it and watch how you speak to others...your mouth may write checks your ass can't cash one day....and the only thing you'll know about lifting weights is the 30 LBS dumbell out of your ass....
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So here is what I was saying about the love for the sport...Coming onto a board and telling someone that probably has forgotten more than you have learned about the sport, to keep his mouth shut...well hey that will get you lots of attention, but not much respect.
You say you have a love for the sport and that it's your passion and such...that's great it's nice to know that you have put yourself into it as you have.
But coming on here and asking retarded fuckin questions about the gear, claiming your stats about your size and bodyfat and then showing pictures of your younger brother is not going to help your cause. Grab a clue here sunshine this board is full of guys that LOVE and RESPECT the sport....you my friend are a kid that has alot of time to grow. Start doing it and watch how you speak to others...your mouth may write checks your ass can't cash one day....and the only thing you'll know about lifting weights is the 30 LBS dumbell out of your ass....
ha ha...i didnt read that last part of the post. what a chitcho! i take back my advice...take 5 iu's a day, 5 on...2 off stacked with test e @ 300mgs a week for a minimum of 6 months. add slin and grow like a weed! is that what he wants to hear? cause thats a good GH stack to grow on!
there are a few on here that have been in the game as long as this guy has been alive...fuck, some of us could be old enough to be his diddy.
a little more respect needs to be given on this part of the board....this isnt the xyzpdq boards where bullshit runs like water...
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Im sure Im old nuf be his Da Da.
I prolly read everything Duchain wrote the month he wrote it.
But it all comes down to personal experience in the end...
Too many crash and burns lately... Ruines it for all.
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Im sure Im old nuf be his Da Da.
I prolly read everything Duchain wrote the month he wrote it.
god remember those days? before bill phillips went gay on us?
round table with tc louma, dan, and will brink?
muscle media 2000 was the shit in the early to mid 90's
duchaine was a funny, weird, crazy dude....
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god remember those days? before bill phillips went gay on us?
round table with tc louma, dan, and will brink?
muscle media 2000 was the shit in the early to mid 90's
duchaine was a funny, weird, crazy dude....
MM2000 brought steroids to mainstream america.
There was no real good info before then that I was aware of...
Even a guy I know who got drafted by a NFL team didnt know WTF he was using or how to.
They all just used what their buddy did he said.
Before Dannys day, I saw guys I knew were on Juice, but I also saw problems I was not into.
I had read Mario Pasquals Doping book, but Danny put it all together well enough for anyone to figure it out. ;)
Yeah Phillips went GAY!!! He seemed full of selfhate for BBing and couldnt stand the advent of teh massMONSTERS
and direction of Womens BBing among other things. Bet he made a bundle though.
Creatin jelly beans... ;D
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god remember those days? before bill phillips went gay on us?
round table with tc louma, dan, and will brink?
muscle media 2000 was the shit in the early to mid 90's
duchaine was a funny, weird, crazy dude....
I remember reading a home brew recipe of GHB from Duchaine, mixing it all in your bathtub!
Man was truely crazy. Plus, I worked with Mike Mentzer in LA @ Golds when I first started out, right before he went over the edge. Talk about a time when BB was full of characters, now that was a fun time...
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so absolutely nobody has anytype of knowledge about growth hormone?
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so absolutely nobody has anytype of knowledge about growth hormone?
hhhhmmmmm..... you are stubborn kid! ;)
Re-read the posts and understand we are trying to educate you in other ways young grasshopper.
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so i guess you dont have any type of useful information on the subject.
for anyone reading that knows something about growth hormones... is it safer than test for a young bb'r? this is what i have heard. what is the normal dosage (i.u.'s per day)? in the study i referenced they were given 6 i.u.'s per da and saw dramatic differnces in only a few weeks. i have heard before that g.h. is a long term drug and that it takes time to work.. so that is mixed info right there. gh is injection only?
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Your questions at a glance....
Is it safer then test for someone young....no
As far as doses, depends on your stats and how many cycles you have done in the past
GH is a long term drug, and normally is not a drug that is done by itself
As far as injection only....as far as I know it is...but I have been corrected by the gurus in the past.
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so i guess you dont have any type of useful information on the subject.
for anyone reading that knows something about growth hormones... is it safer than test for a young bb'r? this is what i have heard. what is the normal dosage (i.u.'s per day)? in the study i referenced they were given 6 i.u.'s per da and saw dramatic differnces in only a few weeks. i have heard before that g.h. is a long term drug and that it takes time to work.. so that is mixed info right there. gh is injection only?
Why would I, or anyone way more knowledgable than myself, waste my time giving you useful info when you obviously do not listen?? To answer your ?'s........
1.) No one type of steroid is "safer" than others. All gear is safe is administered correctly and is of good quality.
2.) Lot of factors to consider for right dosage but 6 ius had to be used for DWARFISM if given to younger kids. No way you could afford human grade at that dose unless you have a serious trust fund going kid.
3.) Best if used for minimum 12 weeks. Injection only unless you take a worthless over the counter "GH Releaser"
Save some money and go eat off the $1 menu at McD's...then you might grow.
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Why would I, or anyone way more knowledgable than myself, waste my time giving you useful info when you obviously do not listen?? To answer your ?'s........
1.) No one type of steroid is "safer" than others. All gear is safe is administered correctly and is of good quality.
2.) Lot of factors to consider for right dosage but 6 ius had to be used for DWARFISM if given to younger kids. No way you could afford human grade at that dose unless you have a serious trust fund going kid.
3.) Best if used for minimum 12 weeks. Injection only unless you take a worthless over the counter "GH Releaser"
Save some money and go eat off the $1 menu at McD's...then you might grow.
Can you say BOO YAH!
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so i guess you dont have any type of useful information on the subject.
for anyone reading that knows something about growth hormones... is it safer than test for a young bb'r? this is what i have heard. what is the normal dosage (i.u.'s per day)? in the study i referenced they were given 6 i.u.'s per da and saw dramatic differnces in only a few weeks. i have heard before that g.h. is a long term drug and that it takes time to work.. so that is mixed info right there. gh is injection only?
HGH =Waste of time and money at your stage... to hard to figure out...
Test + Deca + Dboll \
Enjoy your crash and never come off....
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If your passion for bodybuilding is half as much as you passion for "cocain" you will be stealing money from your parents again to by GH.
You have no idea about ANYTHING bodybuilding related but you act like you do.
Look in the mirror kid and grow up.
you are 18 and have been training for like 2-3 years and you come on here and talk shit to VETS who have been training longer than you have been BREATHING? WTF is wrong with you?
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so i guess you dont have any type of useful information on the subject.
for anyone reading that knows something about growth hormones... is it safer than test for a young bb'r? this is what i have heard. what is the normal dosage (i.u.'s per day)? in the study i referenced they were given 6 i.u.'s per da and saw dramatic differnces in only a few weeks. i have heard before that g.h. is a long term drug and that it takes time to work.. so that is mixed info right there. gh is injection only?
You're an idiot perhaps I will see you at my hospital someday when you are renal failure or something else related to your inability to listen. Using GH before your growth plates are fused is beyond moronic (unless you are treating a disorder). People like you are the reason the feds try to shut down production of these kinds of drugs.
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You're an idiot perhaps I will see you at my hospital someday when you are renal failure or something else related to your inability to listen. Using GH before your growth plates are fused is beyond moronic (unless you are treating a disorder). People like you are the reason the feds try to shut down production of these kinds of drugs.
Enough Wrecks, time for not so nice to kids time...
They're ruining it for those mature enough to use this stuff.
Someone should revamp the for beginners thread and make it a little more clear about the downside,
as well as clue them in its not like take'n a Tylenol for a headache.
Action - Reaction. Over and over each time you try to alter the human machine..
They think its like a Rec Drug and you just get a selfreinforcing reward for taking it.... wrong.
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fuck you guys.
i never said i knew anything about steroids or growth hormone. i come here loking for answers to my questions and wanting to get eductaed on the subject and you guys just say "you not enducated on the subject you dont know shit about it..."..yeah, NO SHIT, thats why im here asking questions.
the only thing any of you mother fuckers have on me is age and experience.... your a bunch of moronic douchebags otherwise.
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well what do u actualy want to know about it????? my personal experience is there only to be used for show preps, as its so expensive and has to be run for at least 3month.
I also think you wont be impressed with what u get for your moneys worth either, u wont be much bigger, just a little leaner and a little fuller.
u dont need to be slagging the lads off on here, leave that to the other boards
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For you, perhaps 25mg of var for 3-4 weeks to get your feet wet.
Then 3-4months off.
This stuff can cause a bunch of problems, and your posts just scream that you have a totally distorted
idea of what to expect.
ANyone can gain, keeping it and not crashing and being a big problem, (Like several guys lately) is another matter.
Instead of all the questions about what magic drug dose and combo to use, questions about when you stop would be more pertinant.
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Instead of all the questions about what magic drug dose and combo to use, questions about when you stop would be more pertinant.
i am not looking for any magic pill or combonation of drugs.
but i am serious about bodybuilding. like someone already said in this thread...all apsects of bodybuilding need to be addressed if i really want to achieve my full potential. inclusing the drugs. not a single ifbb competitor is natural. what does that tell ou? if you want to achieve your maximum physique, drugs are necessary.
even if i do decide on the type, size, and length of cycle i will run for my first time soon; i wont be running it until at least the summer. so i have plenty of time to get everything perfected and researched.
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i am not looking for any magic pill or combonation of drugs.
but i am serious about bodybuilding. like someone already said in this thread...all apsects of bodybuilding need to be addressed if i really want to achieve my full potential. inclusing the drugs. not a single ifbb competitor is natural. what does that tell ou? if you want to achieve your maximum physique, drugs are necessary.
even if i do decide on the type, size, and length of cycle i will run for my first time soon; i wont be running it until at least the summer. so i have plenty of time to get everything perfected and researched.
Getting all your info together first, props on that...you can't do enough of that. I looked into this stuff for a very long time before I made the plunge, and to tell you the truth, in retrospect I could have done even better. So there is no limit as to how much you should research and learn before you start. Does this mean you need to be an expert on AAS/gear before you begin? Hell no, although some people will try to make it seem this way, lol. But it is a constant learning process, that as you get going, will evolve and change over the years. if you waited until you knew absolutely everything about AAS/gear, you'd be 50yrs down the road before you started, and even then, once you did start, you'd be surprised as to how much you really didn't know.
As for a good first cycle, http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=92379.0
This is pretty much always the first cycle I give out, 99% of the time. The other 1% fall into a completely differant category. Such as a guy who's already got tons of BB under his belt, has perfect training and eating habits and all the other crap that goes with it. has an understanding of drugs to an extent, and further is someone who I know personally and who is going to adhere to proper procedure...further, this person will already have a physique that most would credit a large part of to AAS even though they've never touched it...I can count these guys on 1 hand.
HGH, great, if not one of the most useful drugs available. That said, if you've never used any gear before, no need to begin hear. your body is fresh, and a few good cycles of just AAS will do wonders as well as be far more cost efficient.
If you reach the stage and point to where gh might come into play, you kind of have to options. If money is no issue, run it most of the year and this will aide you a good deal. If money is an issue, because most of us are not multi billionares, use it during your contest prep and run just AAS during your offseason. Running it during your contest prep will help a good deal with conditioning, as well as the maintenance of muscle.
Last off, will added in HGH to your life be the key ingredient to making you a freak of nature....no.
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thank you arnold jr. that was the type of response i was looking for.
as for the hgh, money wouldnt be an issue because i have extensive medical coverage and a really cool doctor. ;) but i am only covered untill i am 22 or i move out..so i would want to run some before either of those were to happen.
i really am in no rush to start a cycle..im still cutting up and refining what i have right now...not even worried about putting on muscle. but in a few months i am going to be back bulking again, and after a couple months of solid natural lifting bulking, then i think i MIGHT be interested in a short and small cycle.
i really dont like the look of "steroid muscles", whenever guys havent been training that long, or that hard, and then do a huge cycle and gain a bucnh of size....the muscles lack definition and just look like fat shaped sort of like muscle. to me this is definitely not an option..i would prefer small and toned muscles than big and fluffy. so any advice in regards to making sure i can keep my real muscles look, and hold onto shape and definition while running a cycle would be appreciated as well.
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thank you arnold jr. that was the type of response i was looking for.
as for the hgh, money wouldnt be an issue because i have extensive medical coverage and a really cool doctor. ;) but i am only covered untill i am 22 or i move out..so i would want to run some before either of those were to happen.
i really am in no rush to start a cycle..im still cutting up and refining what i have right now...not even worried about putting on muscle. but in a few months i am going to be back bulking again, and after a couple months of solid natural lifting bulking, then i think i MIGHT be interested in a short and small cycle.
i really dont like the look of "steroid muscles", whenever guys havent been training that long, or that hard, and then do a huge cycle and gain a bucnh of size....the muscles lack definition and just look like fat shaped sort of like muscle. to me this is definitely not an option..i would prefer small and toned muscles than big and fluffy. so any advice in regards to making sure i can keep my real muscles look, and hold onto shape and definition while running a cycle would be appreciated as well.
Red - You're too young to be using GH. That's not to say GH doesn't have some great benefits but at your age (under 22) you've got more then enough in your system. Adding more at this point would probably just screw you up. Besides, the fat loss effects takes a long time (months) & it's also very expensive (& the way things are going the price will keep going up & up). I highly doubt your doctor is that cool - he'll probably need to justify it to the insurance complany why you need GH & even if he can he'll only be able to give you a little bit at a time (not the ammounts needed for BBing purposes). It'll be a maintenance dose - besides doctors are getting more & more nervous about giving out GH, Test, etc....
Green - that look is more based on diet & water retention then steroids. People can get bloated without gear. Eat clean for awhile & then go crazy with the food. I'd be willing to bet you'll be bloated & puffy.
IMO - You're too young for steroids as well as GH - you should be enjoying your natural test levels (they should be pretty high right now). I'd suggest you wait about five or six year & continue to build your natural base of muscle.
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Red - You're too young to be using GH. That's not to say GH doesn't have some great benefits but at your age (under 22) you've got more then enough in your system. Adding more at this point would probably just screw you up. Besides, the fat loss effects takes a long time (months) & it's also very expensive (& the way things are going the price will keep going up & up). I highly doubt your doctor is that cool - he'll probably need to justify it to the insurance complany why you need GH & even if he can he'll only be able to give you a little bit at a time (not the ammounts needed for BBing purposes). It'll be a maintenance dose - besides doctors are getting more & more nervous about giving out GH, Test, etc....
Green - that look is more based on diet & water retention then steroids. People can get bloated without gear. Eat clean for awhile & then go crazy with the food. I'd be willing to bet you'll be bloated & puffy.
IMO - You're too young for steroids as well as GH - you should be enjoying your natural test levels (they should be pretty high right now). I'd suggest you wait about five or six year & continue to build your natural base of muscle.
What he said is dead on the money
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ALL THESE MEDICAL REPORTS FROM WRECKS ARE DESTROYING IT FOR MATURE USERS,
Even guys on HRT who should have access.
AJ didn't know how young he is and take a look at all his other anal compulsive posts is my bet.
Too young for HGH. Waste of money and a hazard. READ a few of RDW's Posts young man and see if maybe the man knows what hes dealing with.
Anavar only IMO.
Maybee Tbol only after that.
All from reputable Pharma, not UG. Use UG and you'll proolllyyy be on underdosed Dbol or Methyl.
By By nuts.. ;D
You are not ready to deal with the crash that even a light cycle of Test is gonna lay on you IMO.
You've had issues... Want Rehab and drug monitoring and all the jaz?
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Tprop & EQ after you've had a taste of nut suppression and 1/2 assed learned to deal with it.
IMO eveyone should have a few year of lifting and good solid form on the big 3 lifts.
1.5 X BW area Bench Squat & Dead was easy for all my friends, and I; and Im nothing special.
You'll likely throw away 20-30lbs of nat base you'll never get back IMO.
Kids taking AAS taht cant even lift today... ::) The drugs DONT do it all
If they did I'd be on the Olympia stage with the free access and prices Ive had available to me.
THE DRUGS HELP YOU RECOVER FROM INTELLIGENT TRAINING ETC.
Its not like a "High" is in the drug here kids, its a compliment to the other hard work and discipline.
Its Not a gimme.
I dont recall one question about recovery from him, UNDERSTAND THAT ITs not just a snap, or even a
guarantee of not a very unpleasant few weeks or more.
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the only thing any of you mother fuckers have on me is age and experience.... your a bunch of moronic douchebags otherwise.
Very mature response. We also have maturity on you as well.
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Very mature response. We also have maturity on you as well.
Perhaps you shld check out his "know it all" posts on the nutrition board.
Princess L seems to have had enough with him, and by judging with his posts calling everyone here douchebags, i would really love having squadfather here ripping him another new one.
Consideration of gh before even experimenting with aas is ridiculous.
Monster Obsession going nowhere.
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Yeah he seems to be a 22 year old know it all punk with a chip on his shoulder.
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thank you arnold jr. that was the type of response i was looking for.
as for the hgh, money wouldnt be an issue because i have extensive medical coverage and a really cool doctor. ;) but i am only covered untill i am 22 or i move out..so i would want to run some before either of those were to happen.
i really am in no rush to start a cycle..im still cutting up and refining what i have right now...not even worried about putting on muscle. but in a few months i am going to be back bulking again, and after a couple months of solid natural lifting bulking, then i think i MIGHT be interested in a short and small cycle.
i really dont like the look of "steroid muscles", whenever guys havent been training that long, or that hard, and then do a huge cycle and gain a bucnh of size....the muscles lack definition and just look like fat shaped sort of like muscle. to me this is definitely not an option..i would prefer small and toned muscles than big and fluffy. so any advice in regards to making sure i can keep my real muscles look, and hold onto shape and definition while running a cycle would be appreciated as well.
You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.
No doctor is going to give an 18 year old kid a script for HGH. i don't care how much money your parents have, it's not going to happen.
Please stop this nonsense.
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fuck you guys.
i never said i knew anything about steroids or growth hormone. i come here loking for answers to my questions and wanting to get eductaed on the subject and you guys just say "you not enducated on the subject you dont know shit about it..."..yeah, NO SHIT, thats why im here asking questions.
the only thing any of you mother fuckers have on me is age and experience.... your a bunch of moronic douchebags otherwise.
I truly have come to the conclusion that you have come on here to see if roid rage is everything you have heard. You really have no clue what life is about and what experiences these people on this board have gone through. Buddy I guarantee there is someone on here that has a weight belt older than you....and that belt is probably alot smarter as well.
Understand something, AAS is no miracle drug to make you bigger or stronger than the next guy, it's genetics, training and determination....will it give you an edge, sure, will it make you a god, absolutley not.
Stop being a clown, learn your place in life and get off your knees son....life is about to give you a slap in the face and you just might not get back up.
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Buddy I guarantee there is someone on here that has a weight belt older than you....and that belt is probably alot smarter as well.
;D
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Buddy I guarantee there is someone on here that has a weight belt older than you....and that belt is probably alot smarter as well.
;D
Figured you would appreciate that young fella.
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what can you tell me about growth hormone? i have heard that its much safer than test for young users, that it promotes fat loss, muscle growth, AND some skin and hair beautifying properties as well. it is attainable by prescription...yes?
How is it safer than testosterone? Both substances are naturally occuring substances in the human body. Test isn't dangerous.
Growth hormone can be obtained by prescription if you meet one of the conditions it is prescribed for, such as stunted growth in children or hormone replacement for older people. If you are in your late teens or twenties, you probably would not meet any of the conditions for prescription.
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so absolutely nobody has anytype of knowledge about growth hormone?
Well, GH will burn fat and it does cause hyperplasia which will increase muscle, but it takes a long time to see those results (possibly up to a year). Additionally, GH by itself is kind of a waste of time. You have to use AAS with it to get the best muscle building benefits, so it isn't an either or proposition.
You need to run it at least 6 months and the longer you can run it, the better, and that is very expensive.
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so i guess you dont have any type of useful information on the subject.
for anyone reading that knows something about growth hormones... is it safer than test for a young bb'r? this is what i have heard. what is the normal dosage (i.u.'s per day)? in the study i referenced they were given 6 i.u.'s per da and saw dramatic differnces in only a few weeks. i have heard before that g.h. is a long term drug and that it takes time to work.. so that is mixed info right there. gh is injection only?
No it is not safer than test. Testosterone is a naturally occuring hormone in both male and female bodies. It is not dangerous.
Males will see results with as little as 3IU's a day, but the fastest results (fat burning) take about 3 months and the other reason for using it (hyperplasia) will take much longer, maybe 6 months to a year.
GH is injected only. Either IM or subQ. Any (claimed) oral form would be destroyed by your stomach acids before it would ever reach your blood stream.
You have a natural spike shortly after entering REM sleep when you fall asleep and you can create a spike through heavy lifting (especially squats).
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I can tell you I see results almost immediately, but Im 46 and lean to start and use US Pharma.
Wish it were cheaper is all.
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god remember those days? before bill phillips went gay on us?
round table with tc louma, dan, and will brink?
muscle media 2000 was the shit in the early to mid 90's
duchaine was a funny, weird, crazy dude....
You are thinking of the roundtable with Bruce Kneller, Dan D, and myself. That was a really popular article and a lot of fun to do. I still have people come up to me at shows and mention that article as their favorite...Of the three, I am the only one not either dead or in jail. :P...MM2K was the sh*& back in the day and I miss those times. Man I got stories.... 8)
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You are thinking of the roundtable with Bruce Kneller, Dan D, and myself. That was a really popular article and a lot of fun to do. I still have people come up to me at shows and mention that article as their favorite...Of the three, I am the only one not either dead or in jail. :P...MM2K was the sh*& back in the day and I miss those times. Man I got stories.... 8)
That was the best damn Magizine that ever hit BBing. It was a tripple shot of reality and took all the
mystery out of AAS.
Congrats on still being among the living and walkin free... ;D
How about's Throwin' some good links up for us here,?
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That was the best damn Magizine that ever hit BBing. It was a tripple shot of reality and took all the
mystery out of AAS.
Congrats on still being among the living and walkin free... ;D
How about's Throwin' some good links up for us here,?
Links, what kinda links? Like this?
http://www.realdoll.com/
If Dan were alive, I know he would have one of those...
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Links, what kinda links? Like this?
http://www.realdoll.com/
If Dan were alive, I know he would have one of those...
I bet He would ;)
Just reading him was a trip, he must have been whack to hang around.
Hell-of-a Loss.
He's the kind of guy that our Govt tries very hard to ensure they never get: 1. A Badge 2. Their own legitimate prescription pad 3. A law degree. Aint that a shame.
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will brink lives!!!!
what are you working on now????
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He's going to open a performance clinic for Baseball and track and field players....
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He's going to open a performance clinic for Baseball and track and field players....
maybe some "advice" for pro wrestlers as well....
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Everyone here is giving you correct advice, so be happy they are being as patient as they are. If you are 22 now, you should honestly wait until you are 25 to even consider AAS, and then plan a smart cycle using legit Human Grade only. And the GH should not come into play until you have ran 5-10 cycles of AAS only, and then used sparingly to see how you respond. This should be around age 30-32. Not a knock to you, but a lot of you young guys who came up in the SSB and Outlaw era, are used to these substances being handed to you on a silver platter, those days are gone now. No one knows how to build a base NATURALLY anymore, aim for weighing 205-210 at 10-15% bodyfat before ever considering AAS. If you start to early, you will be f%cked in the end. I've seen it a thousand times, put in double digit of years naturally and then do AAS and GH, that may sound extreme, but thats coming from me and others who have been around for a LONG while. Take care and stayINTENSE!
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MM2000 brought steroids to mainstream america.
There was no real good info before then that I was aware of...
Even a guy I know who got drafted by a NFL team didnt know WTF he was using or how to.
They all just used what their buddy did he said.
Before Dannys day, I saw guys I knew were on Juice, but I also saw problems I was not into.
I had read Mario Pasquals Doping book, but Danny put it all together well enough for anyone to figure it out. ;)
Yeah Phillips went GAY!!! He seemed full of selfhate for BBing and couldnt stand the advent of teh massMONSTERS
and direction of Womens BBing among other things. Bet he made a bundle though.
Creatin jelly beans... ;D
I still have the cassette tapes MM 2000 offered when they first came out. Interviews with Phillips, Duchaine,Luoma,etc. The big thing that Duchaine talked about on the tapes was Vanadyl Sulfate and Clen. His tapes were actually made when he was in prison. Its pretty wild to listen to, takes you back to when things were still hidden and away from CNN.
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I still have the cassette tapes MM 2000 offered when they first came out. Interviews with Phillips, Duchaine,Luoma,etc. The big thing that Duchaine talked about on the tapes was Vanadyl Sulfate and Clen. His tapes were actually made when he was in prison. Its pretty wild to listen to, takes you back to when things were still hidden and away from CNN.
Biggest kick I got was Danny getin' the prison guards to smuggle out the story for Vetrinary Tren and DSMO ;D
What a laugh, the Govt went to great lengths and expense to get him and he unleashes this OTC Tren protocol
on gym rats accross America while hes locked up. AND, it had a Visible impact in the gyms back then. Not the greatest AAS method of all time, but effective none the less.
He wrote that the Finaplex Mfg sent him warning letters to stop writing about their products.
Then they put estrogen in, then he wrote how to remove it.... ;D
Can You imagine the screaming and hair pulling in the corporate office?
You think the idea of killin his ass came up to some of them?
Its pretty much the same story today, the more the Govt trys to control, the worse they make the situation.
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will brink lives!!!!
Sort of...hard to tell some days...
what are you working on now????
All manner of stuff of course. New articles on my site if interested. Doing some consulting work for some companies, working on my ebooks (both being updated yet again as we speak), answering mucho questions on my forums as well as others, etc, etc. Thanx for asking. ;)
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I bet He would ;)
Just reading him was a trip, he must have been whack to hang around.
Hell-of-a Loss.
He's the kind of guy that our Govt tries very hard to ensure they never get: 1. A Badge 2. Their own legitimate prescription pad 3. A law degree. Aint that a shame.
All true, but history shows us guys like him don't tend to live to old age, and truth be known, that's just fine with them. Dan went more or less by his own design and left a legacy, for better or for worse.
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All true, but history shows us guys like him don't tend to live to old age, and truth be known, that's just fine with them. Dan went more or less by his own design and left a legacy, for better or for worse.
...for better!
I learned how to make GHB in my bath tub. That kind of info is priceless :D