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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2007, 01:01:41 PM
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if you could drop all the juice completely just to prove to yourself that you're mentally strong enough to do it, could you?
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What the fuck are you saying?
If you could...could you?
That makes no sense. What you just said is the same as this; if you could drink water, could you?
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What the fuck are you saying?
If you could...could you?
That makes no sense. What you just said is the same as this; if you could drink water, could you?
my guess is that you're one of the guys i'm talking about.
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you busted him squad ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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my guess is that you're one of the guys i'm talking about.
If you have followed my posts, you'd most certainly see this isn't true.
But, if I were using, the answer would be Yes, I could quit juicing if I could.
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If you have followed my posts, you'd most certainly see this isn't true.
But, if I were using, the answer would be Yes, I could quit juicing if I could.
hahahhaa, ok Mr. Proof Reader, WOULD YOU if you could? ::)
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I got nothin whatsoever against those that juice, but for those that are heavy users I seriously doubt there would be any reason (let alone mental toughness) to continue on in their training without their chemical crutch. These types crave the "instant" physical results and constant mental reinforcement supplied by the gear and I highly doubt they'd "press on" if they got off cold turkey. Again, I have no problem with people that use, but I don't see them able to push on confidently without the sauce.
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I got nothin whatsoever against those that juice, but for those that are heavy users I seriously doubt there would be any reason (let alone mental toughness) to continue on in their training without their chemical crutch. These types crave the "instant" physical results and constant mental reinforcement supplied by the gear and I highly doubt they'd "press on" if they got off cold turkey. Again, I have no problem with people that use, but I don't see them able to push on confidently without the sauce.
i agree, i have absolutely NOTHING AGAINST people who use because i've used my share but i seriously doubt that these year round juicer guys could just stop at the drop of a hat.
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hahahhaa, ok Mr. Proof Reader, WOULD YOU if you could? ::)
What's in it for me? Will everyone still know how awesome I am? Will I still get to mock all the rich guys at the gym for not having bigger arms? Will I still get to bitch about the US government not dealing with the "real" problems? Will I still get to believe that steroids are no more harmful than water? Will I still get to believe that all my gains are from hard work?
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i agree, i have absolutely NOTHING AGAINST people who use because i've used my share but i seriously doubt that these year round juicer guys could just stop at the drop of a hat.
The year round juicers are basically full blown drug addicts....their bodies may not crave their gear if suddenly forced to stop, but their minds will continue to crave the results indefinitely.
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The year round juicers are basically full blown drug addicts....their bodies may not crave their gear if suddenly forced to stop, but their minds will continue to crave the results indefinitely.
yep, they're very psychologically addictive.
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yep, they're very psychologically addictive.
Now, I may not have ever used anything, but don't think I ain't never thought about it or come close on many, many occassions to giving it a try.
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yep, they're very psychologically addictive.
Very true.
That's why so many guys don't want to come off.
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What the fuck are you saying?
If you could...could you?
That makes no sense. What you just said is the same as this; if you could drink water, could you?
I could drink water...okay, so whats the big deal, I drink water, get off my fking back
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Over the last few years I've probably averaged about 35-40% of the year on & the rest off. As I said in another thread I've got no problem training naturally & if for whatever reason I didn't touch another steroid I'd continue to train & be fine. But then again I don't think I've ever used gear as a crutch more like a tool. My training, diet, & such don't change much off or on.
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Yeah, just came off 1+ yr. No big deal.
I'll throw some blood work results up in a month or two.
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My longest cycle was 8 months and recovery wasn't bad but i was mentally drained for sure. Hormone levels all over the place but i worked through it and was fine.
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my guess is that you're one of the guys i'm talking about.
The problem is that your question is loaded with a prejudgement and an erroneous assumption.
The assumption being the ridiculously (not you) naive notion that one can achieve the same results without juice, but that it will take longer. I've been working out for 30 years and only the last 10 have been with assistance. I can assure you that no one will ever achieve the same results in a longer period of time naturally. Your hormone profile diminishes as you age and that by itself will not allow it.
The prejudgement was that anyone who juices year round is phychologically addicted. That may be true for some, but for others gaining 75 pounds of muscle over a number of years is like being able to save a million dollars. You don't save a million dollars over the years just to turn around and give it away to prove that you are psychologically or morally strong enough to live poor again. You don't invest all of that hard work for nothing. That is just sheer stupidity.
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But then again I don't think I've ever used gear as a crutch more like a tool.
Good point there. This question is almost like asking would you go back to hammering nails with a rock instead of a hammer to prove you aren't addicted to the much more efficient hammer and it implies that if you wouldn't then you must be weak. There can't be any other reason you wouldn't quit. You're just a weak morally bankrupt individual.
I've worked out for 20 years without and 10 years with. What does it really prove if I go back to looking like I did before? In my mind it would prove I'm willing to sacrifice 10 years of hard work to prove something to someone who is judging me for not wanting to be stupid.
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The problem is that your question is loaded with a prejudgement and an erroneous assumption.
The assumption being the ridiculously (not you) naive notion that one can achieve the same results without juice, but that it will take longer. I've been working out for 30 years and only the last 10 have been with assistance. I can assure you that no one will ever achieve the same results in a longer period of time naturally. Your hormone profile diminishes as you age and that by itself will not allow it.
The prejudgement was that anyone who juices year round is phychologically addicted. That may be true for some, but for others gaining 75 pounds of muscle over a number of years is like being able to save a million dollars. You don't save a million dollars over the years just to turn around and give it away to prove that you are psychologically or morally strong enough to live poor again. You don't invest all of that hard work for nothing. That is just sheer stupidity.
Good point there. This question is almost like asking would you go back to hammering nails with a rock instead of a hammer to prove you aren't addicted to the much more efficient hammer and it implies that if you wouldn't then you must be weak. There can't be any other reason you wouldn't quit. You're just a weak morally bankrupt individual.
I've worked out for 20 years without and 10 years with. What does it really prove if I go back to looking like I did before? In my mind it would prove I'm willing to sacrifice 10 years of hard work to prove something to someone who is judging me for not wanting to be stupid.
Good points, and I agree.
In my case, could I give it up, yes, but for the moment I see no reason why I should.
I have no desire to train for months or years on end without one of the tools that aids in the process. If for some reason my health became an issue, or if there arose a financial burden that could be relieved by stopping use, then sure, I'd stop.
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I'm going to use an analogy here that I think may put it in perspective. I hope there are alot of car nuts here.
You work your ass off for years and year just to get that (insert exotic car here). You finally get your Porsche and although your previous car was fast, it just didn't have that look or performance of the Porsche. A Porsche is engineered. In your opinion, Dudes wanna be you and chicks want you while you drive that car. You drive the piss out of it for a few years and enjoy it like it was nobody's business. This was your dream after all. Slowly but surely you'll get bored with the car. You have two options. One, buy a newer, faster one (up the dose) or two, because of changing priorities in life, buy a mini van (get off crank).
Since we're discussing going clean, you've picked the mini van. Do you ever think about back in the day while driving the van past the young dude in the Porsche with the pretty blonde? Hell yeah! Probably even lust for the thrill again but you've been there and done that. Life changes and so do your priorities. Addiction is state of mind. So long as you have a grip on what is important in your life you'll always be fine.
Hope I didn't offend any natty's with the mini van comment. I'm sure there are alot of natty's out there who are probably closer to Supra's, or RX7's or mustangs... but let's be honest.... no such thing as a natty Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini. There is a look (and a stigma) that accompany these rides that no other vehicle has.
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yep, they're very psychologically addictive.
That's often the hardest part of an addiction to break.
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if you could drop all the juice completely just to prove to yourself that you're mentally strong enough to do it, could you?
The other question Dave is why do it without even planning on competing ??? For "beach season" and/or get back at the "guy" who "humiliated" you in 11th grade???
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I'm going to use an analogy here that I think may put it in perspective. I hope there are alot of car nuts here.
You work your ass off for years and year just to get that (insert exotic car here). You finally get your Porsche and although your previous car was fast, it just didn't have that look or performance of the Porsche. A Porsche is engineered. In your opinion, Dudes wanna be you and chicks want you while you drive that car. You drive the piss out of it for a few years and enjoy it like it was nobody's business. This was your dream after all. Slowly but surely you'll get bored with the car. You have two options. One, buy a newer, faster one (up the dose) or two, because of changing priorities in life, buy a mini van (get off crank).
Since we're discussing going clean, you've picked the mini van. Do you ever think about back in the day while driving the van past the young dude in the Porsche with the pretty blonde? Hell yeah! Probably even lust for the thrill again but you've been there and done that. Life changes and so do your priorities. Addiction is state of mind. So long as you have a grip on what is important in your life you'll always be fine.
Hope I didn't offend any natty's with the mini van comment. I'm sure there are alot of natty's out there who are probably closer to Supra's, or RX7's or mustangs... but let's be honest.... no such thing as a natty Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini. There is a look (and a stigma) that accompany these rides that no other vehicle has.
Nice!
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The other question Dave is why do it without even planning on competing ??? For "beach season" and/or get back at the "guy" who "humiliated" you in 11th grade???
Personally the only reason I've ever messed with the stuff is for the purpose of various goals in BB...if it weren't for that I'd more then likely never have touched it.
That said, I don't have any problem with people using who just use it to feel better, look better, etc. But like I said, I'd prob never have touched it if it weren't for my goals. Now that I have though, and because of that learned a lot more about the stuff, I can guarantee you when I'm older I'll be HRT bound. For starters I won't have much of a choice because of all the years of use, further, I'm a big proponent of HRT and its benefits in older guys...been trying to get my dad going on this for a while now.
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The other question Dave is why do it without even planning on competing ??? For "beach season" and/or get back at the "guy" who "humiliated" you in 11th grade???
very good point.
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Now that I have though, and because of that learned a lot more about the stuff, I can guarantee you when I'm older I'll be HRT bound. For starters I won't have much of a choice because of all the years of use, further, I'm a big proponent of HRT and its benefits in older guys...been trying to get my dad going on this for a while now.
HRT is how I actually got started. Important point here.... I never used a single steroid before I needed HRT, so I can honestly say that using didn't cause it.
I hope you can convince your dad. I'm 50 and the quality of life with HRT is infinately better.
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Personally the only reason I've ever messed with the stuff is for the purpose of various goals in BB...if it weren't for that I'd more then likely never have touched it.
That said, I don't have any problem with people using who just use it to feel better, look better, etc. But like I said, I'd prob never have touched it if it weren't for my goals. Now that I have though, and because of that learned a lot more about the stuff, I can guarantee you when I'm older I'll be HRT bound. For starters I won't have much of a choice because of all the years of use, further, I'm a big proponent of HRT and its benefits in older guys...been trying to get my dad going on this for a while now.
Arnoldjr, you are good guy. But bro, c'mon! lol This is like a rock guitarist saying the only reason he ever picked up a guitar was for the love music rather than to get pussy. I don't believe being more physically powerful and impressive to the other sex did not factor into the decision somewhere. :-*
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Arnoldjr, you are good guy. But bro, c'mon! lol This is like a rock guitarist saying the only reason he ever picked up a guitar was for the love music rather than to get pussy. I don't believe being more physically powerful and impressive to the other sex did not factor into the decision somewhere. :-*
I can say with absolute confidence that what you just said above did not play nor will it play into my decisions in the future to use performance enhancing drugs...not even a little bit.
If anything, using these types of things or just simply being involved in bodybuilding at some level has not been a helpful tool in regards to females. Most women think the way in which BB's live is absolutely nuts and insane...and they're right...insane? No, but it is nuts and far from the norm.
Further, I am a very open and honest person, especially when it comes to relationship type things, and if a girl I'm seeing ask about this kind of thing, I'll be very honest about and 9 times out of 10 this will send them running for the hills...not all of them, but most can't handle or take it.
In short, it takes a special person to deal with a hardcore BB fanatic..but I wouldn't give it up (BB) for anything in this world. In my opinion, it is the one of the key things in my life that keeps me sain and focused, and this carries itself over into other aspects of my life as well.
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Further, I am a very open and honest person, especially when it comes to relationship type things, and if a girl I'm seeing ask about this kind of thing, I'll be very honest about and 9 times out of 10 this will send them running for the hills...not all of them, but most can't handle or take it.
In short, it takes a special person to deal with a hardcore BB fanatic..but I wouldn't give it up (BB) for anything in this world. In my opinion, it is the one of the key things in my life that keeps me sain and focused, and this carries itself over into other aspects of my life as well.
Awesome post! So very true, all of it. "Running for the hills" LOL I will also add most women, even ones who like some muscle on a guy, do not like the true BB type physiqe. I could understand how some people could be turned off by the drug use. Also some women do not like to be with guys who are going to be getting more attention then themselves :-\
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You guys need RT tix to BKK. Them girls dont think anything of the juice issue. They'll Go shop it with you and haggle price 4-you. ;D
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...but I wouldn't give it up (BB) for anything in this world. In my opinion, it is the one of the key things in my life that keeps me sain and focused, and this carries itself over into other aspects of my life as well.
Amen to that.
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You guys need RT tix to BKK. Them girls dont think anything of the juice issue. They'll Go shop it with you and haggle price 4-you. ;D
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http://www.wikihow.com/Travel-from-Singapore-to-Bangkok-and-Back-by-Train
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I can say with absolute confidence that what you just said above did not play nor will it play into my decisions in the future to use performance enhancing drugs...not even a little bit.
If anything, using these types of things or just simply being involved in bodybuilding at some level has not been a helpful tool in regards to females. Most women think the way in which BB's live is absolutely nuts and insane...and they're right...insane? No, but it is nuts and far from the norm.
Further, I am a very open and honest person, especially when it comes to relationship type things, and if a girl I'm seeing ask about this kind of thing, I'll be very honest about and 9 times out of 10 this will send them running for the hills...not all of them, but most can't handle or take it.
In short, it takes a special person to deal with a hardcore BB fanatic..but I wouldn't give it up (BB) for anything in this world. In my opinion, it is the one of the key things in my life that keeps me sain and focused, and this carries itself over into other aspects of my life as well.
Awesome post.
i'm the same way, i only used AAS to up my performance for bodybuilding and then powerlifting. if i never planned to compete i would have never tried it.
which is why i'm clean now, i don't plan on competeing in the next 2 years so i'm letting my body recover from years of AAS use and heavy training. i still train hard but not at the same level i once did, mainly due to nagging injuries.
my father has been on HRT for 2 years and he says he feels 30 again. his attitude is more confident, even family members have commented on how much more laid back he has been lately. my mother says it's the best choice she ever made, she talked him into it after he got blood work done and his test levels were very low. at first he didn't want to try it because he didn't understand it, now he tells all his friends to see their doc.
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You guys need RT tix to BKK. Them girls dont think anything of the juice issue. They'll Go shop it with you and haggle price 4-you. ;D
Trab, you're a cool dude, but I have no idea what you just said above....maybe I'm not cool and don't understand slang anymore, lol!
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Trab, you're a cool dude, but I have no idea what you just said above....maybe I'm not cool and don't understand slang anymore, lol!
He means we need to move overseas to be able to buy all we want over the counter. I say we start a getbig hostel over in SE Asia so we can all train & juice & no one will mess with us. What do you guys think? Hell, we can even bring our women.
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RT = Round Trip
BKK is Air Line code for Bangkok
Those girls look at AAS about like Tylenol. They see it work and ask if its good for skinny sick people etc.
Many US girls minds are brainwashed by the media about STEROIDS.
Its just another thing in the drug store there. Hey, it must be good or it wouldnt be in that nice pharma
box, Right?
The stuff sits right in the windows for sale sometimes.
Pick up some halo at the posh shopping malls pharma. ;D
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He means we need to move overseas to be able to buy all we want over the counter. I say we start a getbig hostel over in SE Asia so we can all train & juice & no one will mess with us. What do you guys think? Hell, we can even bring our women.
i'm down!
me and my girl are thinking about going over there for 3 weeks late next year. i wonder how much mass i can put on in 3 weeks?
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Can we eat Dim Sum all day and go into a food coma like Rim? ;D
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Many US girls minds are brainwashed by the media about STEROIDS.
US Girls???? How about the male members posting on sites like these?
They keep quoting the myths associated with steroids as if they are fact.
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i'm down!
me and my girl are thinking about going over there for 3 weeks late next year. i wonder how much mass i can put on in 3 weeks?
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Nice. If all goes well we're going to the Phillipines for about two weeks in a year or so. Can't wait...I wonder what the drug laws are over there? ;)
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Can we eat Dim Sum all day and go into a food coma like Rim? ;D
Hell yes.
...speaking of Dim Sum. It's been a couple weeks I think I'm about due.
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i'm down!
me and my girl are thinking about going over there for 3 weeks late next year. i wonder how much mass i can put on in 3 weeks?
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Remember, AAS dont do the whole deal. Dennis James gets major respect from me..
1. The heat
2. Ive never done Thailand with out a bout of food poisioning, and Im carefull and know what to look out for. You
prolly gonna get tagged! (buy Norafloxin there immediatly)
But taht dehydration can make for some awesome "Before and After" steroid cycle Pics also.
3. The jet lag is 12 Time Zones. Translation - You'll be "Zoned" ??? Its practicly on the other side of the planet. Some of the Gyms inthe tourist areas seem to cater to this and the daytime heat (even if air conditioned)
You'll be up at night around 2am feeling like its day, and impossible to get back to sleep. About 10 days of that, the first 3 pretty run down.
4. There's SO much over the top distraction. Theyve built a perfect tourist-trap money pit in all the resort areas.
The place is just so damn strange that about when you think nothing can shock you anymore, something beats all.
3 weeks is about minimal. one month is not worth it IMO. Its just back to back jet lag.
I aint tryin' to talk ya out of it, I'd LOVE to go, but even though you can buy most any steroid, taht aint all it takes.
Might want to do a monster long acting androgen load before departure and wind it down at home.?
Its so fun just shopping the stuff at every mom & Pop pharma.
You'll likely recover better than us old people, but its NOT like flying to Europe. I could do that back to back a couple times a week.
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Assume we do not even think of bringing anything back?? Vials stuffed in shampoo bottles or anything stupid like that work?
Sure it is not a good idea but curious if any of you got away with it. Why buy there if you can not bring it back...
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Assume we do not even think of bringing anything back?? Vials stuffed in shampoo bottles or anything stupid like that work?
Sure it is not a good idea but curious if any of you got away with it. Why buy there if you can not bring it back...
Not a good idea, these days esp.
Everything changed after 9-11. And to me it seems all their security is so assbackwards that its pointless for what the real point was.
They check all the wrong people and all the wrong ways.
Leave smuggling to the pros, they seem to be doing fine.
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Assume we do not even think of bringing anything back?? Vials stuffed in shampoo bottles or anything stupid like that work?
Sure it is not a good idea but curious if any of you got away with it. Why buy there if you can not bring it back...
Bring what you want back, just make a quick stop in Canada and drive across the border. It's much easier and less questions will be asked. Fying into or out of the states is insane these days. Last time I went to Chicago I thought I was going to get a cavity search...although the chick was not bad looking....
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What kills me is all them pathetic lard ass TSSA workers or whatever they call them walking around with radios in the airports?
Wow, thats gonna help do what? Spend MONEY is all.
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What kills me is all them pathetic lard ass TSSA workers or whatever they call them walking around with radios in the airports?
Wow, thats gonna help do what? Spend MONEY is all.
That's it dead nuts. I had a guy go through at the airport in front of me with this fancy belt buckle on, they confiscated it saying that it could have been used a weapon. Here is my problem with this:
1) Poor guy didn't understand the security guard as he spoke half pakistanian and not sure what the rest was, suppose broken English.
2) He must have been 90 LBS soakin wet with bricks in his pockets.
3) It was a round belt buckle, no sharp edges.
4) The guy before him was a sheik or seek, not sure which is right. He had a turbin on his head and a dagger around his waste...the dagger was ok because it was religious....
Now that my friends is a joke.
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Ive seen them waste lots of time on a guy with his family in a long coat. They guy was not nicely dressed.
While they spent about 15min on this guy and what turned out to be a hair dryer in his suitcase ::)
MANY well dressed guys in pairs that were of probable MidEastern decent went straight thru unchecked.
It was asinine.
WHo were the people who hijacked the planes? Would that make sense to look at them?
Oh that would be profiling or discrimination.
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Ive seen them waste lots of time on a guy with his family in a long coat. They guy was not nicely dressed.
While they spent about 15min on this guy and what turned out to be a hair dryer in his suitcase ::)
MANY well dressed guys in pairs that were of probable MidEastern decent went straight thru unchecked.
It was asinine.
WHo were the people who hijacked the planes? Would that make sense to look at them?
Oh that would be profiling or discrimination.
Profiling and discrimination happens everywhere to the dismay of all of us. You know the saying...it's not who you know it's who you b$@w...really a shame. It's even gone as bad as holding doors at X-Mas time...
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That's it dead nuts. I had a guy go through at the airport in front of me with this fancy belt buckle on, they confiscated it saying that it could have been used a weapon. Here is my problem with this:
1) Poor guy didn't understand the security guard as he spoke half pakistanian and not sure what the rest was, suppose broken English.
2) He must have been 90 LBS soakin wet with bricks in his pockets.
3) It was a round belt buckle, no sharp edges.
4) The guy before him was a sheik or seek, not sure which is right. He had a turbin on his head and a dagger around his waste...the dagger was ok because it was religious....
Now that my friends is a joke.
Discriminating the Bull Riding Cowboys of the world again. They were the real ones responsible for 9-11 ya know...those damn belt buckles will take down any airliner!
I obviously know that bringing gear on the plane is not smart and would never do it. However, if we can go to these countries and buy it up, how the heck are we supposed to get it back?? There in lies the delima....
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Discriminating the Bull Riding Cowboys of the world again. They were the real ones responsible for 9-11 ya know...those damn belt buckles will take down any airliner!
I obviously know that bringing gear on the plane is not smart and would never do it. However, if we can go to these countries and buy it up, how the heck are we supposed to get it back?? There in lies the delima....
Will do what most pro's do now a day's just stick it in there guts....and tell them it's a beer gut.
Better yet buy a monkey or parrot while your down there and stick it up there ass on the way back.
Honestly I really don't know, but lord knows I wish there was a way, cause sources are starting to run a little slim.
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Will do what most pro's do now a day's just stick it in there guts....and tell them it's a beer gut.
Better yet buy a monkey or parrot while your down there and stick it up there ass on the way back.
Honestly I really don't know, but lord knows I wish there was a way, cause sources are starting to run a little slim.
LOL!!! Monkey Ass Gear...hottest stuff on the market.
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LOL!!! Monkey Ass Gear...hottest stuff on the market.
Never know bro it just might be the way of the future. Or maybe a seeing eye dog, then if the drug dog detects it....you can claim that's just what dog's do, sniff each others ass.
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Coke smugglers have used horses to cary internal.
Way more profit margine there. They can afford to ship race horses from S America.
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I'm going to use an analogy here that I think may put it in perspective. I hope there are alot of car nuts here.
You work your ass off for years and year just to get that (insert exotic car here). You finally get your Porsche and although your previous car was fast, it just didn't have that look or performance of the Porsche. A Porsche is engineered. In your opinion, Dudes wanna be you and chicks want you while you drive that car. You drive the piss out of it for a few years and enjoy it like it was nobody's business. This was your dream after all. Slowly but surely you'll get bored with the car. You have two options. One, buy a newer, faster one (up the dose) or two, because of changing priorities in life, buy a mini van (get off crank).
Since we're discussing going clean, you've picked the mini van. Do you ever think about back in the day while driving the van past the young dude in the Porsche with the pretty blonde? Hell yeah! Probably even lust for the thrill again but you've been there and done that. Life changes and so do your priorities. Addiction is state of mind. So long as you have a grip on what is important in your life you'll always be fine.
Hope I didn't offend any natty's with the mini van comment. I'm sure there are alot of natty's out there who are probably closer to Supra's, or RX7's or mustangs... but let's be honest.... no such thing as a natty Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini. There is a look (and a stigma) that accompany these rides that no other vehicle has.
In a nutshell your answer is no.
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The problem is that your question is loaded with a prejudgement and an erroneous assumption.
The assumption being the ridiculously (not you) naive notion that one can achieve the same results without juice, but that it will take longer. I've been working out for 30 years and only the last 10 have been with assistance. I can assure you that no one will ever achieve the same results in a longer period of time naturally. Your hormone profile diminishes as you age and that by itself will not allow it.
The prejudgement was that anyone who juices year round is phychologically addicted. That may be true for some, but for others gaining 75 pounds of muscle over a number of years is like being able to save a million dollars. You don't save a million dollars over the years just to turn around and give it away to prove that you are psychologically or morally strong enough to live poor again. You don't invest all of that hard work for nothing. That is just sheer stupidity.
nicely said
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The problem is that your question is loaded with a prejudgement and an erroneous assumption.
The assumption being the ridiculously (not you) naive notion that one can achieve the same results without juice, but that it will take longer. I've been working out for 30 years and only the last 10 have been with assistance. I can assure you that no one will ever achieve the same results in a longer period of time naturally. Your hormone profile diminishes as you age and that by itself will not allow it.
The prejudgement was that anyone who juices year round is phychologically addicted. That may be true for some, but for others gaining 75 pounds of muscle over a number of years is like being able to save a million dollars. You don't save a million dollars over the years just to turn around and give it away to prove that you are psychologically or morally strong enough to live poor again. You don't invest all of that hard work for nothing. That is just sheer stupidity.
So you have to use the juice cause your body can't hack it on its own, correct?
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So you have to use the juice cause your body can't hack it on its own, correct?
That's a little simplistic and here is where the supposed cheating comes in. Everyone knows about genetic potential , but I suppose some of us believe we should walk around our entire life hindered by it.
Try looking at it from this perspective. You have 2 beginning bodybuilder want to be's with approximately 15 inch arms. One of them has been reading all of the routines in the muscle mags and starts working out using a basic routine from what he has been reading and 6 months later his arms measure 15 and a half inches. The other one doesn't know crap about lifting and his idea of a workout is doing dumbell curls (nothing else) in his bedroom 3 times a week, but after 6 months of working out, his arms measure 16 and a half inches.
What have we just discovered? Even though the second guy doesn't know anything about lifting weights, he obviously had better genetics to build muscle than the first guy. Testosterone (natural levels) in men can vary from 300 to 1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood, or 220 to 880 depending on whose scale you are using. Additionally, if we could disect two peoples muscles, 1cc from one man may have 200 cells for growth while the second may only have 150. The greater number of cells you have, the bigger your muscles can get. Then you also have to consider fast twith to slow twitch ratios.
The point being here, that in this case adding steroids to the mix for bodybuilder number one only makes him equal to bodybuilder number two. It isn't giving him an unfair advantage. Life has already done that through genetics. Steroids only make this an even playing field for him.
Your statement "your body can't hack it on its own" once again makes a judgement that the first man is sub par. That there is something wrong with him. There is nothing wrong with him. He just was not born with the genetic potential of the second guy. We know about genetic differences and genetic potential, but we still don't acknowledge that it is real. The same genetic potential can be apllied to intelligence and learning. Why is Bill Gates smart enough to have developed computer software, but you or I or our best friends didn't. Are we sub par? Our brains "can't hack it on it's own"?
NO. It's just all part of being different as human beings.
In the case of muscle building, we already have something that levels the playing field. In the case of intelligence, science is developing nootropics to increase our memory and intelligence. If they ever perfect them, will we be considered cheating if we use them to breeze through college the way some of our classmates did. Everyone remembers someone back in school who just seemed to show up at school and absorb knowledge without ever studying.
So let's apply the original question another way.
If you were using nootropics to make learning in school a breeze, would you quit just to show you are psychologically strong enough to do it?
Does anyone else the the judgement built into this type of question?
Okay, I've said all of that to say this. If I have found a substance that helps me to be EQUAL with those who were born with better genetics than I, is there a reason I should quit using them?
I mean a good reason. Other than the fact that some very short sighted people might judge me as being psychologically addicted or think I'm cheating because this comes naturally to them.
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So let's apply the original question another way.
If you were using nootropics to make learning in school a breeze, would you quit just to show you are psychologically strong enough to do it?
Does anyone else the the judgement built into this type of question?
Okay, I've said all of that to say this. If I have found a substance that helps me to be EQUAL with those who were born with better genetics than I, is there a reason I should quit using them?
I mean a good reason. Other than the fact that some very short sighted people might judge me as being psychologically addicted or think I'm cheating because this comes naturally to them.
Very well said I believe that there are a few on here that conquor with you on what you said...I included.
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So you have to use the juice cause your body can't hack it on its own, correct?
That's a retarded way of thinking.. it's like saying, I'll take the bicycle on a 10km ride to work every morning, instead of jumping in the car and driving 3 minutes.. it's an easier method to achieving your goals... so what ?!? would you deny yourself using the microwave just so you can take 5 times longer warming something in the oven?!?! live and let live buddy.
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So you have to use the juice cause your body can't hack it on its own, correct?
Yes, you are correct.
Everyone here uses "the Juice" as you so eloquently put it, but because they are too feeble and to weak minded to survive without it.
We as a community made up of those that use "the Juice" are a giant sore on the ass of the world.
Teach me your ways oh mighty omnipatant one...lead me unto the path of "hacking" it! For thine wisdom is like a soothing stream to my ears. Save me from possesion of muscle, for it is only through your divine intervention that my soul may be saved. Lead me unto the path of the natural beast, where muscle is not, yet pride and self righteousness is prevalent and abound. Oh mighty natural beast, show me thine light. For the Dark Side, for "the Juice" has led me astray, it has led me into the burning depths of muscle and perfection!
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Yes, you are correct.
Everyone here uses "the Juice" as you so eloquently put it, but because they are too feeble and to weak minded to survive without it.
We as a community made up of those that use "the Juice" are a giant sore on the ass of the world.
Teach me your ways oh mighty omnipatant one...lead me unto the path of "hacking" it! For thine wisdom is like a soothing stream to my ears. Save me from possesion of muscle, for it is only through your divine intervention that my soul may be saved. Lead me unto the path of the natural beast, where muscle is not, yet pride and self righteousness is prevalent and abound. Oh mighty natural beast, show me thine light. For the Dark Side, for "the Juice" has led me astray, it has led me into the burning depths of muscle and perfection!
HAHAAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! So easy.