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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tomgreynolds on November 08, 2007, 07:56:45 PM
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Dorian_Yates/Yates_020.jpg)
Unbelievable
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Unmatched Focus, Determination, Intensity and CONSISTENCY. As he would probably say, pure Blood and Guts!
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His face looks like its been made over with a meat tenderizer.
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He discovered Insulin and HGH if it was not a comparison i would find it hard to see if it was the same person.
Please correct me if im wrong was it Dan Duchaine and Dorian who first discovered insulin.
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I wonder how far he could have taken his body no just "Blood and Guts", no gear. ::) I love these "warriors".
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I wonder how far he could have taken his body no just "Blood and Guts", no gear. ::) I love these "warriors".
Regardless of the gear, he took his body farther than anyone else in his time.
You have to compare apples to apples ;)
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Please correct me if im wrong was it Dan Duchaine and Dorian who first discovered insulin.
Yes these guys discovered insulin and then the medical community took notice and started treating diabetics with it.
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Yes these guys discovered insulin and then the medical community took notice and started treating diabetics with it.
Van, I'm a big fan of yours! Love your posts!! But this time our little fella clearly meant 'discovered the anabolic effects of insulin for bb purposes'. No?
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The greatest of all-time. NOBODY trained harder and there was never a more intellectual bodybuilder than Dorian. Listening to Dorian speak is a delight compared to other bumbling bodybuilders.
The proof of Yates greatness and the supremacy of his training style? 9 years from picking up a weight to becoming Mr. Olympia ;)
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The greatest of all-time. NOBODY trained harder and there was never a more intellectual bodybuilder than Dorian. Listening to Dorian speak is a delight compared to other bumbling bodybuilders.
The proof of Yates greatness and the supremacy of his training style? 9 years from picking up a weight to becoming Mr. Olympia ;)
That was exactly my feeling after watching the tapes of 92 and 93 Olympia back then!
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problem is, dorian's track record of injuries does not speak well for his training style.
I mean, early on in his career he suffered a major biceps tear from training too heavy pre-contest.
sorry, but as far as training style goes, his philosophy while effective, backfired early.
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Van, I'm a big fan of yours! Love your posts!! But this time our little fella clearly meant 'discovered the anabolic effects of insulin for bb purposes'. No?
Thanks for the clafrication.
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problem is, dorian's track record of injuries does not speak well for his training style.
I mean, early on in his career he suffered a major biceps tear from training too heavy pre-contest.
sorry, but as far as training style goes, his philosophy while effective, backfired early.
I was wondering how many posts it would take before you show up with your remarks... ::)
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I was wondering how many posts it would take before you show up with your remarks... ::)
its called being smart.
how can we praise a man's training style when his training style tore the shit out of him his whole damn career?
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sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
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problem is, dorian's track record of injuries does not speak well for his training style.
I mean, early on in his career he suffered a major biceps tear from training too heavy pre-contest.
sorry, but as far as training style goes, his philosophy while effective, backfired early.
Gotta agree with ya Hulkster on this one. For the most part his training transformed his body, for the better, but in the end it all went in reverse. Too many injuries and tears, all due to his training style.
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Thank you.
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Yates was a monster
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Gotta agree with ya Hulkster on this one. For the most part his training transformed his body, for the better, but in the end it all went in reverse. Too many injuries and tears, all due to his training style.
More like he had poor connective tissue integrity, or whatever you'd want to call it. His training was very strict and cautious compared to many other pros. Not at all ballistic and sloppy like Ronnie's for example. Many pros exceeded his training loads. He was just unlucky, probably due to genetics mostly.
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Van, I'm a big fan of yours! Love your posts!! But this time our little fella clearly meant 'discovered the anabolic effects of insulin for bb purposes'. No?
Of course. Maybe you could say someone popularized it. I'm sure it was experimented with decades before Duchaine and Yates.
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More like he had poor connective tissue integrity, or whatever you'd want to call it. His training was very strict and cautious compared to many other pros. Not at all ballistic and sloppy like Ronnie's for example. Many pros exceeded his training loads. He was just unlucky, probably due to genetics mostly.
Could be. Hard to tell. All we know is that at the end of his career, Dorian was literally torn to shit. Whether it was due to genetics or training, it was a shame. He was, obviously, a great bb'er.
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Could be. Hard to tell. All we know is that at the end of his career, Dorian was literally torn to shit. Whether it was due to genetics or training, it was a shame. He was, obviously, a great bb'er.
Well, his training obviously caused his muscle tears. But the point is that some get away with much 'worse' training.
He had a great run regardless and had he not pushed the limit he would probably never have been a Mr O. Six time Mr O, even if some were questionable, is an incredible accomplishment.
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Well, his training obviously caused his muscle tears. But the point is that some get away with much 'worse' training.
He had a great run regardless and had he not pushed the limit he would probably never have been a Mr O. Six time Mr O, even if some were questionable, is an incredible accomplishment.
So true. Good Post !
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(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Dorian_Yates/Yates_020.jpg)
Unbelievable
1985 = Hope
1995 = Glory ( ::))
2015 = Death
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Yes these guys discovered insulin and then the medical community took notice and started treating diabetics with it.
;D ;D ;D
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1985 = Hope
1995 = Glory ( ::))
2015 = Death
::) ::)
Don't think so
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I mean, early on in his career he suffered a major biceps tear
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Kevin, in your humble opinion, how does the Yates at his best compare with Coleman at his best? Specifically speak on condition. Thanks
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recent pic with eary 1980s former Czech bodybuilder
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he won 6 Mr. O's and only two of them (the first two) were without the crippled left arm.
thats pretty early on in the run.
he was never the same post tear. his arms (both of them) suffered greatly.
just look at shots of 94, 95, 96, 97 etc.
Pretear dorian was much better than post tear dorian. just from the symmetrical standpoint alone (totally ruined any front double bi), never mind everything else.
sure, the dorian nuthuggers might not like it, but this is the way it was.
it was unfortunate that the bi injury happened so early on during his olympia dynasty.
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Why do we have to have the truce thread every time one of these guys is mentioned?
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it just shows that not all bodybuilders are born with 20" arms... they need to be gained :D
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Dorian never had good bi's, even before the tears. They were pretty short, and the tear just made them (left one) look even worse. But before all the tears, no-one can deny that he was one hell of a bb'er, i mean i think 6 Mr O titles speaks for itself.
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Great athlete!
But it' true that only the first two Mr. Olympia were without the crippled left arm.
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1985 = Hope
1995 = Glory ( ::))
201510 = Death
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Agree about Dorians seminars etc, really like listenin to him, seems alot more interesting and knowledgable than the likes of Ronnie Coleman. Im a fan of both but Dorian dont come across as dumb to put it bluntly
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Dorian tried to best his lifts when dieting for a contest, to hold onto as much mass as possible... soon he was a torn man.
Is there any info on how he changed his diet when he made that spectactular progress -> 92'-93' or was it 93' - 94'?
The roids made Dorian look much cooler facewise.
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Why do we have to have the truce thread every time one of these guys is mentioned?
WTF?
we are talking about dorian's training style here and how it affected him.
there is no mention of Ronnie and nothing even remotely similar to the truce thread.
Why do we have to have the truce thread mentioned every time either dorian and Ronnie is discussed in some way shape or form?
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pre-contest is prob not the best time to be upping the weights or trying to sustain but, as ronnie has also demonstrated, i guess he just wanted to present the best possible package come contest time.
what is interesting is how he tore his bi.
what if dorian's strict style was responsible? pausing at the top of a 400lb row will put a lot of strain on the bicep, which becomes the weak link and therefore (in that position) cops most of the strain.
add to this lack a lack of nutrients, water and body fat...
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1985 = Hope
1995 = Glory ( ::))
2015 = Death
why do you post here?
do you ever have anything positive to say about Bodybuilding?
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why do you post here?
do you ever have anything positive to say about Bodybuilding?
Of course he does...RONNIE IS THE BEST EVER!. ;D HE HAS THE BIGGEST BALLS , HE IS THE MOST SYMMETRICAL BODYBUILDER TO LIVE AND SO ON..... ;D ;D
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Of course he does...RONNIE IS THE BEST EVER!. ;D HE HAS THE BIGGEST BALLS , HE IS THE MOST SYMMETRICAL BODYBUILDER TO LIVE AND SO ON..... ;D ;D
talking about Giordano...not Hulkster :P
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... ;D ;D ;D...oooops. D
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I don't think Dorian's training style had anything to do with his muscle tears. There are plenty of HIT trainers right here on Getbig that aren't tearing themselves up. He was just a brittle dude. Too bad because if it wasn't for the torn bi no one would question any of his O wins, and I for one would put him on the same level as big Ron.
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I don't think Dorian's training style had anything to do with his muscle tears. There are plenty of HIT trainers right here on Getbig that aren't tearing themselves up. He was just a brittle dude. Too bad because if it wasn't for the torn bi no one would question any of his O wins, and I for one would put him on the same level as big Ron.
Both were nearly untouchable at their best.
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He discovered Insulin and HGH if it was not a comparison i would find it hard to see if it was the same person.
Please correct me if im wrong was it Dan Duchaine and Dorian who first discovered insulin.
So those guys Banting and Best should have their noble prize taken back. It's an outrage. They owe Dorian $1,000,000. ;D
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I don't think Dorian's training style had anything to do with his muscle tears. There are plenty of HIT trainers right here on Getbig that aren't tearing themselves up. He was just a brittle dude. Too bad because if it wasn't for the torn bi no one would question any of his O wins, and I for one would put him on the same level as big Ron.
Are you comparing the average trainer to Dorian Yates? ::) Yates training intensity would have put damn near anyone in a wheelchair within weeks. NOBODY pushed harder than Dorian did. It's scary to think of what Yates would have done with someone like Paul Dillet's genetics.
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Dorian "Blood and Guts" still best video in my opinion
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end up TORN...or Govenator??? :)
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It's scary to think of what Yates would have done with someone like Paul Dillet's genetics.
we already know what would happen:
he would turn into Ronnie Coleman! ;D
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ALL DRUGS
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its called being smart.
how can we praise a man's training style when his training style tore the shit out of him his whole damn career?
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sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
rubbish..youve ignored the fact that he trained hard..which may have meant injuries using any form of training..and the fact that perhaps genetically he was prone to injury under the right circumstances..and more..
you've managed to explain the single source of his injuries amongst a complex mix of holistics, genetics, psychology and physiology by making one all conclusive general statement. :P
i suppose all the pec tears that occur are due to training methods...and every other injury out there...
its that simple isnt it?! ::)
whats more you've got a mob of experts here agreeing with you so it must be right eh?... ::)
if it came down to training methods then shawn ray should have every muscle in his body torn off the bone, vic m. same same, paul dillet, nasser, and on and on..
so the info is there... a heap of slack, poorly executed trainers throwing weights around dont get hurt..and we see injuries to strict trainers every day..
the info does not support your argument as well as the logical consideration of all that can effect disposition to injury.
once again your presence in a thread has lowered the average IQ.
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why do you post here?
do you ever have anything positive to say about Bodybuilding?
Because he's not a moron and he's not naïve.
Yates was the worst Mr. O. in history, with no biceps, and the first awful GH gut.
He ruined bodybuilding history.
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rubbish..youve ignored the fact that he trained hard..which may have meant injuries using any form of training..and the fact that perhaps genetically he was prone to injury under the right circumstances..and more..
you've managed to explain the single source of his injuries amongst a complex mix of holistics, genetics, psychology and physiology by making one all conclusive general statement. :P
i suppose all the pec tears that occur are due to training methods...and every other injury out there...
its that simple isnt it?! ::)
whats more you've got a mob of experts here agreeing with you so it must be right eh?... ::)
if it came down to training methods then shawn ray should have every muscle in his body torn off the bone, vic m. same same, paul dillet, nasser, and on and on..
so the info is there... a heap of slack, poorly executed trainers throwing weights around dont get hurt..and we see injuries to strict trainers every day..
the info does not support your argument as well as the logical consideration of all that can effect disposition to injury.
once again your presence in a thread has lowered the average IQ.
Fantastic post ! I especially loved the remarks about his fondness for generalizing and seeking comfort in like minded ignorant opinions as some sort of proof he's right !
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Because he's not a moron and he's not naïve.
Yates was the worst Mr. O. in history, with no biceps, and the first awful GH gut.
He ruined bodybuilding history.
now THAT is a fantastic post! :P
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i suppose all the pec tears that occur are due to training methods...and every other injury out there...
sometimes yes they are.
dorian was trying to do barbell rows with 405 pounds precontest if I recall and tore the bi.
he tried to push his body too hard and paid for it.
you can come up with all the bullshit you want, but that is not smart precontest training.
and he paid for it.
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now THAT is a fantastic post! :P
No thats another ignorant moron who agrees with you ;) which is what you like , you think ignorance in numbers is validation its not you're still ignorant and painfully biased and look to grind your axe about Dorian any chance you can the best part is whenever you do you always get exposed for it.
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sometimes yes they are.
dorian was trying to do barbell rows with 405 pounds precontest if I recall and tore the bi.
he tried to push his body too hard and paid for it.
you can come up with all the bullshit you want, but that is not smart precontest training.
and he paid for it.
Agreed there. I like Yates a lot, but after having been on an HIT program for only a couple of weeks, I can't fathom doing this shit on low calories and a buttload of calories. Besides the bicep, how many of his injuries were pre-contest?
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all his injuries as a pro were brought on pre contest... his hip injury was as an amature off season.
You can call his methods all you like but youd be hard pressed to find anyone in the same dense grainy condition up there these days, which his style of training produced.
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Are you comparing the average trainer to Dorian Yates? ::) Yates training intensity would have put damn near anyone in a wheelchair within weeks. NOBODY pushed harder than Dorian did. It's scary to think of what Yates would have done with someone like Paul Dillet's genetics.
That's horseshit.
Iv'e seen Yates training videos. Yes he trains VERY hard. So do I. Going beyond failure, drop sets, pure negatives, training to the point where I can't walk....been there done that. I even scream and grunt sometimes too. Stop drinking the "blood and guts" kool-aid. He was human just like the rest of us.
PS If I ever had some retard screaming "C'mon Diesel!!!!" into my ear during a set I would shove a 10lb. plate in his mouth
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FUCK! MELTDOWN!
I FUCKING HATE THE "TRUCE THREAD" PINHEADS!!!!!!
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FUCK! MELTDOWN!
I FUCKING HATE THE "TRUCE THREAD" PINHEADS!!!!!!
but who do you think is better? Dorian or Ronnie? :-*