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how do you guys like your broccoli, aka the king of veggies and the only acceptable binge food! =)
for me, i like it raw, and fresh, and cold. but i LOVE cooked broccoli with granulated garlic spread over the top...and its even better with japanese hot sauce(sriracha, or the rooster sauce, if you can get it!).
how do you gusy like your broccoli...im always looking for new recipes!
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you are speaking my language!! :D
Now, I'm a simpleton with cooking, so my fav broc. recipe consists of a head of the stuff, a red pepper ( cut into strips), 2 crushed garlic cloves, salt and olive oil:
bake that beast for about 10 minutes at 400: throw a slab of beef next to it and invite me over!!
It's Kosher too!
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shiiiittttt im going to go cook that right now!
come back in ten minutes formy review of your recipe!
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works for me.
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so i didnt have any red peppers and i used a little bit of thinfat from vpx instead of olive oil...
but it was awesome!
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thats what I'm talking about kid! I'm such A Broc Freak, once i dehydrated it when i was at post (im in the military) to eat it a few days later. it was fuckin' vile, the worst thing ever!! still a joke with us. Broccoli boy!!
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how do you bring it with you on the go? just in a bag and in a cooler, or what? and is there any special "on-the-go" recipes or spices or anything that you would recommend?
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how do you bring it with you on the go? just in a bag and in a cooler, or what? and is there any special "on-the-go" recipes or spices or anything that you would recommend?
Steam a bunch and keep it in the fridge. Take some with you in a microwavable container and keep in your cooler. You can ALWAYS find a microwave if you're resourceful like those larger quick mart type gas stations.
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yeah, i streamed it in the microwave, then i add cheese.
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I can't believe you people enjoy broccoli. :-\ there isn't enough cheese to make it taste good.
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how do you guys like your broccoli, aka the king of veggies and the only acceptable binge food! =)
for me, i like it raw, and fresh, and cold. but i LOVE cooked broccoli with granulated garlic spread over the top...and its even better with japanese hot sauce(sriracha, or the rooster sauce, if you can get it!).
how do you gusy like your broccoli...im always looking for new recipes!
Broccoli is gross, and I think it will outlive even cockroaches - broccoli has been found growing near Volcanoes in Italy over lava ashes. I find it's taste to be extremely offensive, but I eat it every day because it's loaded with sulforanes, which are potent detoxifiers, as well as with potent flavonoids and several vitamins/minerals.
The best way to eat broccoli is raw; no sense cooking a food that does not require cooking - cooking destroys practically all flavones, falvonoids, sulforanes, sulfranoles, gallactins, catechins and other good stuff from plants, so only cook foods that have lots of bacteria and verms in it, like meat and eggs. The best broccoli is actually not broccoli, but broccoli sprouts, which contain 10 to 20 times the amount of beneficial stuff per weight than regular broccoli. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Interesting.
I will add this to my diet. I hardly eat any vegetables, and i was thinking about adding some.
Good link: http://startcooking.com/blog/91/How-to-Cook-Broccoli
Seems like i will go with microwaving it. Some lemon juice or a topping will probably ease the flavour.
My mother used to make it with a thick white sauce, delicious :p
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sorry if this is dated news, but i just got my mag today: decent article in the December issue of MD about broc and its benefits
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Interesting.
I will add this to my diet. I hardly eat any vegetables, and i was thinking about adding some.
Good link: http://startcooking.com/blog/91/How-to-Cook-Broccoli
Seems like i will go with microwaving it. Some lemon juice or a topping will probably ease the flavour.
My mother used to make it with a thick white sauce, delicious :p
dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.
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dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.
agreed raw is better, but a short bit (under a minute) in the micro isnt going to suck all the nutrients out.
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agreed raw is better, but a short bit (under a minute) in the micro isnt going to suck all the nutrients out.
i dont knwo why you think that, but it will. slightly steaming them wont, but microwaving, your doing to denature everything, its not even close to normal.
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Broccoli is gross, and I think it will outlive even cockroaches - broccoli has been found growing near Volcanoes in Italy over lava ashes. I find it's taste to be extremely offensive, but I eat it every day because it's loaded with sulforanes, which are potent detoxifiers, as well as with potent flavonoids and several vitamins/minerals.
The best way to eat broccoli is raw; no sense cooking a food that does not require cooking - cooking destroys practically all flavones, falvonoids, sulforanes, sulfranoles, gallactins, catechins and other good stuff from plants, so only cook foods that have lots of bacteria and verms in it, like meat and eggs. The best broccoli is actually not broccoli, but broccoli sprouts, which contain 10 to 20 times the amount of beneficial stuff per weight than regular broccoli. :)
does cooking destroy all the ellectinine, proplyines, ememnsners, akhkdhfkka, sdkfskhs, and kajkdjfakfinines too?
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does cooking destroy all the ellectinine, proplyines, ememnsners, akhkdhfkka, sdkfskhs, and kajkdjfakfinines too?
no
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Does boiling an egg kill some of the protein?
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I eat a ton of it so I go the lazy way. Open 2 bags, toss it on the stove for 5 minutes and then bag it. I undercook my chicken as well. Since everything is reheated, keeps it from being so dry.
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I eat my chicken semi cooked...I like it sorta pink inside...it is a myth that it has to be cooked fully to keep from getting sick. I never had any problems.
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I eat my chicken semi cooked...I like it sorta pink inside...it is a myth that it has to be cooked fully to keep from getting sick. I never had any problems.
You are a warrior!!!!!!
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You are a warrior!!!!!!
;D HARDCORE
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;D HARDCORE
hahahaha the chicken must be terrified!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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brocco-sprouts!!!!
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hahahaha the chicken must be terrified!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Sure He is....He's nothin' but a big chicken. :P
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dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.
So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?
The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heat.
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One of my favorites cheat meals!
I just boiled it, then i put it in a large plate, i add a can of tuna, one small boiled skinless potato, i mix with one whole egg, mayonese, fried beacon and fresh olive oil!
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So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?
The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heath.
You missed the point entirely. The point is that the best way to eat broccoli is raw. All forms of heat treatment, cooking or microwaving, destroy most of it's nutrients.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?
The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heath.
you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it? thermal heating? what other type of heat do you use for cooking? there has been research on microwaving and its mutagenic properties, its not the same type of heat as open flame, convection etc...
fruits and veggies should be consumed raw or lightly steamed with a little crispness to them indication the cellulose is intact indicating many of the beneficial polysaccharides are still formed and not denatured, plus it makes evolutionary sense also.
eat it raw did like sucky says.
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you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it? thermal heating? what other type of heat do you use for cooking? there has been research on microwaving and its mutagenic properties, its not the same type of heat as open flame, convection etc...
fruits and veggies should be consumed raw or lightly steamed with a little crispness to them indication the cellulose is intact indicating many of the beneficial polysaccharides are still formed and not denatured, plus it makes evolutionary sense also.
eat it raw did like sucky says.
So I have read but for myself, I hate the taste of broccoli and I force it down my gullet because it is just such an all around vegetable. Without lightly steaming it I woldn't be able to swallow it. What do you advise?
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BROCCOLI SUCKS
hope this helps
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One of my favorites cheat meals!
I just boiled it, then i put it in a large plate, i add a can of tuna, one small boiled skinless potato, i mix with one whole egg, mayonese, fried beacon and fresh olive oil!
hahahaha your cheat meal is healthier than my best regular meal. :)
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So I have read but for myself, I hate the taste of broccoli and I force it down my gullet because it is just such an all around vegetable. Without lightly steaming it I woldn't be able to swallow it. What do you advise?
There is some scientific research that postulates that steaming broccoli and spinach slightly increase the bioavailability and iatropic absorption of the nutrients contained by causing microscopic fissures in the fiber of the vegetables, allowing the hydrochloric acid in the stomach to better dissolve it, which results in better absorption through the GI while not destroying the nutrients, but there is just as much counter-evidence that this does not happen. To play it safe, eat it raw. If the taste is too appalling, then steam it. It won't be as nutritious as it is raw, but the difference is slight. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There is some scientific research that postulates that steaming broccoli and spinach slightly increase the bioavailability and iatropic absorption of the nutrients contained by causing microscopic fissures in the fiber of the vegetables, allowing the hydrochloric acid in the stomach to better dissolve it, which results in better absorption through the GI, while not destroying the nutrients, but there is just as much counter-evidence that this does not happen. T play it safe, eat it raw. If the taste is too appalling, then steam it. It won't be as nutritious as it is raw, but the difference is slight. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
As I said, I find raw broccoli disgusting.
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As I said, I find raw broccoli disgusting.
I agree.
I find that it's better to eat lots of cooked broccoli versus eating no raw broccoli at all. 8)
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you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it?
If i knew everything about it i wouldn't be asking questions, smartass.
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If i knew everything about it i wouldn't be asking questions, smartass.
its good to ask questions but you where giving advice on something that firstly is wrong, and secondly is something that your pulling out of your ass. merry christmas bitches.
relax its not that serious. ask candadizzle
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its good to ask questions but you where giving advice on something that firstly is wrong, and secondly is something that your pulling out of your ass. merry christmas bitches.
relax its not that serious. ask candadizzle
Well, i didn't give any advice so your first line doesn't make sense.
But i accept your apology. ;D
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Well, i didn't give any advice so your first line doesn't make sense.
But i accept your apology. ;D
happy festivus :D
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you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.
enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.
:D
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you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.
enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.
:D
HAHAHAHAHA
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you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.
enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.
:D
Did all the cocain you did go to your brain? :o
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You missed the point entirely. The point is that the best way to eat broccoli is raw. All forms of heat treatment, cooking or microwaving, destroy most of it's nutrients.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Most of its nutrients? That's a little extreme. Average vitamin loss range from about 10 to 25% in most cases. Cooking destroys some nutrients, yet enhances the absorption of others. For example, by cooking your dark green leafy vegetables, studies show you may be destroying half of the antioxidant carotenoids. At the same time, cooking may double carotenoid bioavailability. In the end your body might wind up with the same amount. Cooking might reduce cancer risk by destroying some of the pesticides in non-organic produce, but cooking also destroys enzymes that have beneficial effects.
The bottom line is; we should eat a combination of both cooked AND raw vegetables.
Oh, and BTW ~ a manager at Trader Joes said there was a broccoli shortage :( anyone else heard that?
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Most of its nutrients? That's a little extreme. Average vitamin loss range from about 10 to 25% in most cases. Cooking destroys some nutrients, yet enhances the absorption of others. For example, by cooking your dark green leafy vegetables, studies show you may be destroying half of the antioxidant carotenoids. At the same time, cooking may double carotenoid bioavailability. In the end your body might wind up with the same amount. Cooking might reduce cancer risk by destroying some of the pesticides in non-organic produce, but cooking also destroys enzymes that have beneficial effects.
Cooking most definitely destroys a great part of the nutrients in most vegetables. This is not debatable. Even when the loss is of only 10%, you'll still be throwing away part of the nutrients, so I don't know how this serves as a consolation prize.
As for absoption, I mentioned that there are studies that show that steaming broccoli slightly increases the bioavailability of it's nutrients, but that there are as many studies that show that this does not happen. To play it safe you should eat it raw. The Human Being is an animal in terms of physiology, and animals don't eat cooked foods. Just because we developed brains that tell us that cooking certain foods makes it taste better is irrelevant in terms of health. Nature doesen't care about your palate.
The bottom line is; we should eat a combination of both cooked AND raw vegetables.
This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense. If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit - you get the same amount of nutrients as raw vegetables give you in the end. So eating a combination of raw and cooked vegetables will give you the same amount of nutrients as eating all raw or all cooked vegetables. Notwithstanding, what we know suggests that eating it all raw is better.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense. If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit -
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Its pretty hard to claim a neutral total effect from steaming or cooking unless we know the "health" value of each nutrient (that we can determine with certainty), which nutrients are destroyed and which become more bioavailable as a result of steaming or whatever. One must also calculate the net benefit effect on the substances that recieves both an increased bioavalability (+) and destruction of some of the amount of the original substance (-). Only then can you make such a claim of neutrality in terms of benefit.
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If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit - you get the same amount of nutrients as raw vegetables give you in the end. So eating a combination of raw and cooked vegetables will give you the same amount of nutrients as eating all raw or all cooked vegetables.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Personally, I could never eat the amount of raw veg that I do cooked, so in that respect, I'm getting more nutrients, not to mention, they taste better :P
~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene
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Personally, I could never eat the amount of raw veg that I do cooked, so in that respect, I'm getting more nutrients, not to mention, they taste better :P
~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene
raw is better from a enzyme etc point of view and is generally better for most nutrients and for our body to use etc. however, i agree that a mix is probably best, and warming stews and soups have medicinal properties.
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I'm getting more nutrients
no, you're not getting more nutrients. Hope this helps.
~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene[/color]
Waht about the 2,000 other substances that are dramatically redused by cooking? Waht a stupid trade-off if you ask me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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however, i agree that a mix is probably best
What is the logic behind this? If it increases bioavailability while decreasing the amount of said nutrients, then cooking a vegetable is neutral at best. If so, then raw and cooked are equal in terms of nutritional profile. So eating a mix of raw and cooked vegetables will yield the same amount of nutrients of eating all raw vegetables or all cooked vegetables.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What is the logic behind this? If it increases bioavailability while decreasing the amount of said nutrients, then cooking a vegetable is neutral at best. If so, then raw and cooked are equal in terms of nutritional profile. So eating a mix of raw and cooked vegetables will yield the same amount of nutrients of eating all raw vegetables or all cooked vegetables.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.
things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.
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It is pretty worthless trying to state the winner of Raw/coocked/steamed without having sufficient data and the ability to analyze them, which we do not have here.
The claim of a "neutral benefit" = a stretch.
UsmokePole = correct.
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no, you're not getting more nutrients. Hope this helps.
Waht about the 2,000 other substances that are dramatically redused by cooking? Waht a stupid trade-off if you ask me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?
no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.
things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.
Thanks for stating that ;)
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So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?
Thanks for stating that ;)
its an obvious argument, you make perfect sense imo.
plus the factor or amount due to taste etc is another issue. i felt worse eating mostly raw veggies for a while, a couple salads a day.
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no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.
things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.
Heat always destroys nutrients. This is not debatable. Furthermore, several nutrients present in vegetables, like B complex vitamins, are soluble in water. Just by drenching spinach and broccoli in water some of the vitamins B will get lsot. Sure, the loss is minimal in natural room temperature, probably only 1 or 2%. But putting it in hot water causes much greater loss. Why? Because heat is a catalyst, and is used by chemists to speed up reactions. the losss of B vitamins is over 20% when you cook it in hot water.
So the debate is really this: is the increase in bioavailability caused by steaming a vegetable greater than the loss of nutients that heating it causes? If so, then cooking the vegetable is beneficial; if not, then it is detremental. If the same, then it is neutral. As for lycopene, I doubt that cooking tomatoes increases it's bioavailability dramatically. The best way to absorb lycopene from tomatoes is to purée it and put some olive oil in it - because lycopene is liposoluble. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?
I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't do anything; I'm arguing science here. My point stands: raw broccoli is superior to cooked broccoli and arguably superior to it steamed as well.
Yes, you're right that eating a pound of cooked broccoli with 50% less nutrients is better than eating a quarter pound of raw broccoli since you'll be getting twice as much nutients from the pound of cooked broccoli than the quater pound of it raw. My point, however, is that you'll still be throwing away in the garbage an enormous amount of nutients and thus also throwing your money away. It's your choice. I can't live your life for you. You're a big girl.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Thanks for stating that ;)[/color]
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Heat always destroys nutrients. This is not debatable. Furthermore, several nutrients present in vegetables, like B complex vitamins, are soluble in water. Just by drenching spinach and broccoli in water some of the vitamins B will get lsot. Sure, the loss is minimal in natural room temperature, probably only 1 or 2%. But putting it in hot water causes much greater loss. Why? Because heat is a catalyst, and is used by chemists to speed up reactions. the losss of B vitamins is over 20% when you cook it in hot water.
So the debate is really this: is the increase in bioavailability caused by steaming a vegetable greater than the loss of nutients that heating it causes? If so, then cooking the vegetable is beneficial; if not, then it is detremental. If the same, then it is neutral. As for lycopene, I doubt that cooking tomatoes increases it's bioavailability dramatically. The best way to absorb lycopene from tomatoes is to purée it and put some olive oil in it - because lycopene is liposoluble. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i understand what your saying but your argument rests on the premise that of the thousands of phytochemicals in any vegetable, and there are thousands, cooking destroys all of them, when in actual fact cooking or light heating increases absorption and breaks down things like inulin etc which allow enhanced digestion.
im half drunk now waiting to be picked up and have lost my train of thought but i was going to use some symbolic logic if anyone wants to take a shot. :D
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i understand what your saying but your argument rests on the premise that of the thousands of phytochemicals in any vegetable, and there are thousands, cooking destroys all of them, when in actual fact cooking or light heating increases absorption and breaks down things like inulin etc which allow enhanced digestion.
im half drunk now waiting to be picked up and have lost my train of thought but i was going to use some symbolic logic if anyone wants to take a shot. :D
Go for it. :)
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Go for it. :)
ah wshit im hammered ritght now no joke got the woemn hammered upstairs perhaps ready to be fucked should i give her raw brpcolli? if so shoud i steam it and then eat it?
u tell me?
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ah wshit im hammered ritght now no joke got the woemn hammered upstairs perhaps ready to be fucked should i give her raw brpcolli? if so shoud i steam it and then eat it?
u tell me?
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Debusseys opinion: Finding the true answer to this question = very difficult and requires a lot of research.
Life = short anyway, so each individual must weigh the benefits and consequences up against his/hers values, and the deeper reasons for ones own motivation.
Debussey just listens to Gary Busey.
Frankly, fucking hookers = more important.
This is Debusseys thread about the "hooker system for a happier life", please read it:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=189815.0
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Hey gang! Who likes cauliflower :D?
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