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Title: BROCCOLI!
Post by: candidizzle on November 09, 2007, 07:07:52 PM
how do you guys like your broccoli, aka the king of veggies and the only acceptable binge food! =)

for me, i like it raw, and fresh, and cold. but i LOVE cooked broccoli with granulated garlic spread over the top...and its even better with japanese hot sauce(sriracha, or the rooster sauce, if you can get it!).

how do you gusy like your broccoli...im always looking for new recipes!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 09, 2007, 07:30:32 PM
you are speaking my language!!  :D

Now, I'm a simpleton with cooking, so my fav broc. recipe consists of a head of the stuff, a red pepper ( cut into strips), 2 crushed garlic cloves, salt and olive oil:

bake that beast for about 10 minutes at 400: throw a slab of beef next to it and invite me over!!

It's Kosher too!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: candidizzle on November 09, 2007, 07:31:35 PM
shiiiittttt im going to go cook that right now!

come back in ten minutes formy review of your recipe!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Krusader on November 09, 2007, 07:34:50 PM
works for me.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: candidizzle on November 09, 2007, 08:11:06 PM
so i didnt have any red peppers and i used a little bit of thinfat from vpx instead of olive oil...

but it was awesome!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 09, 2007, 09:49:06 PM
thats what I'm talking about kid! I'm such A Broc Freak, once i dehydrated it when i was at post (im in the military) to eat it a few days later. it was fuckin' vile, the worst thing ever!! still a joke with us. Broccoli boy!!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: candidizzle on November 10, 2007, 12:46:51 AM
how do you bring it with you on the go? just in a bag and in a cooler, or what? and is there any special "on-the-go" recipes or spices or anything that you would recommend?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Princess L on November 10, 2007, 07:07:44 PM
how do you bring it with you on the go? just in a bag and in a cooler, or what? and is there any special "on-the-go" recipes or spices or anything that you would recommend?

Steam a bunch and keep it in the fridge.  Take some with you in a microwavable container and keep in your cooler.  You can ALWAYS find a microwave if you're resourceful like those larger quick mart type gas stations.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: HTexan on November 10, 2007, 09:42:33 PM
yeah, i streamed it in the microwave, then i add cheese.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on November 10, 2007, 10:12:44 PM
I can't believe you people enjoy broccoli.  :-\  there isn't enough cheese  to make it taste good.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on November 10, 2007, 11:50:00 PM
how do you guys like your broccoli, aka the king of veggies and the only acceptable binge food! =)

for me, i like it raw, and fresh, and cold. but i LOVE cooked broccoli with granulated garlic spread over the top...and its even better with japanese hot sauce(sriracha, or the rooster sauce, if you can get it!).

how do you gusy like your broccoli...im always looking for new recipes!

  Broccoli is gross, and I think it will outlive even cockroaches - broccoli has been found growing near Volcanoes in Italy over lava ashes. I find it's taste to be extremely offensive, but I eat it every day because it's loaded with sulforanes, which are potent detoxifiers, as well as with potent flavonoids and several vitamins/minerals.

  The best way to eat broccoli is raw; no sense cooking a food that does not require cooking - cooking destroys practically all flavones, falvonoids, sulforanes, sulfranoles, gallactins, catechins and other good stuff from plants, so only cook foods that have lots of bacteria and verms in it, like meat and eggs. The best broccoli is actually not broccoli, but broccoli sprouts, which contain 10 to 20 times the amount of beneficial stuff per weight than regular broccoli. :)

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Faust on November 11, 2007, 01:37:42 AM
Interesting.

I will add this to my diet. I hardly eat any vegetables, and i was thinking about adding some.
Good link: http://startcooking.com/blog/91/How-to-Cook-Broccoli

Seems like i will go with microwaving it. Some lemon juice or a topping will probably ease the flavour.

My mother used to make it with a thick white sauce, delicious :p
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 15, 2007, 06:49:36 PM
sorry if this is dated news, but i just got my mag today: decent article in the December issue of MD about broc and its benefits
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on November 15, 2007, 07:20:53 PM
Interesting.

I will add this to my diet. I hardly eat any vegetables, and i was thinking about adding some.
Good link: http://startcooking.com/blog/91/How-to-Cook-Broccoli

Seems like i will go with microwaving it. Some lemon juice or a topping will probably ease the flavour.

My mother used to make it with a thick white sauce, delicious :p

dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 15, 2007, 07:23:59 PM
dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.

agreed raw is better, but a short bit (under a minute) in the micro isnt going to suck all the nutrients out.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on November 15, 2007, 09:24:57 PM
agreed raw is better, but a short bit (under a minute) in the micro isnt going to suck all the nutrients out.

i dont knwo why you think that, but it will. slightly steaming them wont, but microwaving, your doing to denature everything, its not even close to normal.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 15, 2007, 09:29:07 PM
  Broccoli is gross, and I think it will outlive even cockroaches - broccoli has been found growing near Volcanoes in Italy over lava ashes. I find it's taste to be extremely offensive, but I eat it every day because it's loaded with sulforanes, which are potent detoxifiers, as well as with potent flavonoids and several vitamins/minerals.

  The best way to eat broccoli is raw; no sense cooking a food that does not require cooking - cooking destroys practically all flavones, falvonoids, sulforanes, sulfranoles, gallactins, catechins and other good stuff from plants, so only cook foods that have lots of bacteria and verms in it, like meat and eggs. The best broccoli is actually not broccoli, but broccoli sprouts, which contain 10 to 20 times the amount of beneficial stuff per weight than regular broccoli. :)


does cooking destroy all the ellectinine, proplyines, ememnsners, akhkdhfkka, sdkfskhs, and kajkdjfakfinines too?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on November 15, 2007, 09:38:42 PM
does cooking destroy all the ellectinine, proplyines, ememnsners, akhkdhfkka, sdkfskhs, and kajkdjfakfinines too?

no
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: webcake on November 16, 2007, 02:26:32 AM
Does boiling an egg kill some of the protein?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: 1Fast400 on November 16, 2007, 06:24:21 AM
I eat a ton of it so I go the lazy way.  Open 2 bags, toss it on the stove for 5 minutes and then bag it.  I undercook my chicken as well. Since everything is reheated, keeps it from being so dry.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on November 16, 2007, 07:15:21 AM
I eat my chicken semi cooked...I like it sorta pink inside...it is a myth that it has to be cooked fully to keep from getting sick. I never had any problems.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: BigCypriate on November 16, 2007, 07:18:53 AM
I eat my chicken semi cooked...I like it sorta pink inside...it is a myth that it has to be cooked fully to keep from getting sick. I never had any problems.

You are a warrior!!!!!!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on November 16, 2007, 07:26:00 AM
You are a warrior!!!!!!


   ;D   HARDCORE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: BigCypriate on November 16, 2007, 07:52:27 AM

   ;D   HARDCORE

hahahaha the chicken must be terrified!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: ~flower~ on November 16, 2007, 08:10:21 AM

  brocco-sprouts!!!!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on November 16, 2007, 08:22:48 AM
hahahaha the chicken must be terrified!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

 Sure  He is....He's nothin' but a big chicken. :P
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Faust on November 19, 2007, 01:14:04 PM
dude what the fuck is the point of microwaving a vegetable that your trying to eat for nutrtion? it destroys everything.
So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?

The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heat.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Mazda323 on November 19, 2007, 01:38:55 PM
One of my favorites cheat meals!

I just boiled it, then i put it in a large plate, i add a can of tuna, one small boiled skinless potato, i mix with one whole egg, mayonese, fried beacon and fresh olive oil!
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on November 20, 2007, 05:25:03 AM
So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?

The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heath.

  You missed the point entirely. The point is that the best way to eat broccoli is raw. All forms of heat treatment, cooking or microwaving, destroy most of it's nutrients.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 24, 2007, 08:54:07 PM
So you think that microwaving is worse than regular cooking?
Do you have a decent link or explanation for this?
Maybe some scientific research?

The way i see it, microwaving isn't that different from normal thermal heating. You just excitate the water molecules which transform the energy to heath.

you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it? thermal heating? what other type of heat do you use for cooking? there has been research on microwaving and its mutagenic properties, its not the same type of heat as open flame, convection etc...

fruits and veggies should be consumed raw or lightly steamed with a little crispness to them indication the cellulose is intact indicating many of the beneficial polysaccharides are still formed and not denatured, plus it makes evolutionary sense also.

eat it raw did like sucky says.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Deicide on December 24, 2007, 09:04:45 PM
you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it? thermal heating? what other type of heat do you use for cooking? there has been research on microwaving and its mutagenic properties, its not the same type of heat as open flame, convection etc...

fruits and veggies should be consumed raw or lightly steamed with a little crispness to them indication the cellulose is intact indicating many of the beneficial polysaccharides are still formed and not denatured, plus it makes evolutionary sense also.

eat it raw did like sucky says.

So I have read but for myself, I hate the taste of broccoli and I force it down my gullet because it is just such an all around vegetable. Without lightly steaming it I woldn't be able to swallow it. What do you advise?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on December 24, 2007, 09:14:27 PM
BROCCOLI SUCKS



    hope this helps
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: gtbro1 on December 24, 2007, 09:15:14 PM
One of my favorites cheat meals!

I just boiled it, then i put it in a large plate, i add a can of tuna, one small boiled skinless potato, i mix with one whole egg, mayonese, fried beacon and fresh olive oil!

  hahahaha your cheat meal is healthier than my best regular meal. :)
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 24, 2007, 09:27:31 PM
So I have read but for myself, I hate the taste of broccoli and I force it down my gullet because it is just such an all around vegetable. Without lightly steaming it I woldn't be able to swallow it. What do you advise?

  There is some scientific research that postulates that steaming broccoli and spinach slightly increase the bioavailability and iatropic absorption of the nutrients contained by causing microscopic fissures in the fiber of the vegetables, allowing the hydrochloric acid in the stomach to better dissolve it, which results in better absorption through the GI while not destroying the nutrients, but there is just as much counter-evidence that this does not happen. To play it safe, eat it raw. If the taste is too appalling, then steam it. It won't be as nutritious as it is raw, but the difference is slight. :)

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Deicide on December 24, 2007, 10:27:31 PM
  There is some scientific research that postulates that steaming broccoli and spinach slightly increase the bioavailability and iatropic absorption of the nutrients contained by causing microscopic fissures in the fiber of the vegetables, allowing the hydrochloric acid in the stomach to better dissolve it, which results in better absorption through the GI, while not destroying the nutrients, but there is just as much counter-evidence that this does not happen. T play it safe, eat it raw. If the taste is too appalling, then steam it. It won't be as nutritious as it is raw, but the difference is slight. :)

SUCKMYMUSCLE

As I said, I find raw broccoli disgusting.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Hedgehog on December 25, 2007, 06:03:59 AM
As I said, I find raw broccoli disgusting.

I agree.

I find that it's better to eat lots of cooked broccoli versus eating no raw broccoli at all. 8)
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Faust on December 25, 2007, 07:06:22 AM
you dont have a sweet clue what your talking about do you? admit it?
If i knew everything about it i wouldn't be asking questions, smartass.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 25, 2007, 08:26:22 AM
If i knew everything about it i wouldn't be asking questions, smartass.

its good to ask questions but you where giving advice on something that firstly is wrong, and secondly is something that your pulling out of your ass. merry christmas bitches.


relax its not that serious. ask candadizzle
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Faust on December 25, 2007, 09:14:45 AM
its good to ask questions but you where giving advice on something that firstly is wrong, and secondly is something that your pulling out of your ass. merry christmas bitches.
relax its not that serious. ask candadizzle
Well, i didn't give any advice so your first line doesn't make sense.
But i accept your apology.  ;D
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 25, 2007, 10:01:42 AM
Well, i didn't give any advice so your first line doesn't make sense.
But i accept your apology.  ;D

happy festivus :D
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 25, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
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Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: candidizzle on December 25, 2007, 12:46:41 PM
you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.



enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.   

 :D

Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Faust on December 25, 2007, 02:07:11 PM
you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.



enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.   
 :D
HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Deicide on December 25, 2007, 02:47:12 PM
you people are way too fucking articifialized and consumerized.... you have let the coproations and big business food industry manipulate your minds into only appreciating processed foods with a bunch of either 1) trans fats, or 2) simple sugars.



enjoying broccoli is like enjoying nature, and your body....a broccoli eater has an appreciation and joy in their body and gets to partake in healthful guilt free eating all the time.   

 :D



Did all the cocain you did go to your brain? :o
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Princess L on December 25, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
  You missed the point entirely. The point is that the best way to eat broccoli is raw. All forms of heat treatment, cooking or microwaving, destroy most of it's nutrients.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Most of its nutrients?  That's a little extreme.  Average vitamin loss range from about 10 to 25% in most cases.  Cooking destroys some nutrients, yet enhances the absorption of others. For example, by cooking your dark green leafy vegetables, studies show you may be destroying half of the antioxidant carotenoids. At the same time, cooking may double carotenoid bioavailability.  In the end your body might wind up with the same amount.  Cooking might reduce cancer risk by destroying some of the pesticides  in non-organic produce, but cooking also destroys enzymes that  have beneficial effects.

The bottom line is; we should eat a combination of both cooked AND raw vegetables.

Oh, and BTW ~ a manager at Trader Joes said there was a broccoli shortage  :(  anyone else heard that?


Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 26, 2007, 11:16:28 AM
Most of its nutrients?  That's a little extreme.  Average vitamin loss range from about 10 to 25% in most cases.  Cooking destroys some nutrients, yet enhances the absorption of others. For example, by cooking your dark green leafy vegetables, studies show you may be destroying half of the antioxidant carotenoids. At the same time, cooking may double carotenoid bioavailability.  In the end your body might wind up with the same amount.  Cooking might reduce cancer risk by destroying some of the pesticides  in non-organic produce, but cooking also destroys enzymes that  have beneficial effects.

  Cooking most definitely destroys a great part of the nutrients in most vegetables. This is not debatable. Even when the loss is of only 10%, you'll still be throwing away part of the nutrients, so I don't know how this serves as a consolation prize.

  As for absoption, I mentioned that there are studies that show that steaming broccoli slightly increases the bioavailability of it's nutrients, but that there are as many studies that show that this does not happen. To play it safe you should eat it raw. The Human Being is an animal in terms of physiology, and animals don't eat cooked foods. Just because we developed brains that tell us that cooking certain foods makes it taste better is irrelevant in terms of health. Nature doesen't care about your palate.

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The bottom line is; we should eat a combination of both cooked AND raw vegetables.

  This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense. If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit - you get the same amount of nutrients as raw vegetables give you in the end. So eating a combination of raw and cooked vegetables will give you the same amount of nutrients as eating all raw or all cooked vegetables. Notwithstanding, what we know suggests that eating it all raw is better.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 26, 2007, 11:38:54 AM


  This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense. If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit -
SUCKMYMUSCLE

Its pretty hard to claim a neutral total effect from steaming or cooking unless we know the "health" value of each nutrient (that we can determine with certainty), which nutrients are destroyed and which become more bioavailable as a result of steaming or whatever. One must also calculate the net benefit effect on the substances that recieves both an increased bioavalability (+) and destruction of some of the amount of the original substance (-).  Only then can you make such a claim of neutrality in terms of benefit.

Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Princess L on December 26, 2007, 07:15:48 PM
  If cooking increases the bioavalability of nutrients while destroying some of it, then it is neutral in terms of benefit - you get the same amount of nutrients as raw vegetables give you in the end. So eating a combination of raw and cooked vegetables will give you the same amount of nutrients as eating all raw or all cooked vegetables.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Personally, I could never eat the amount of raw veg that I do cooked, so in that respect, I'm getting more nutrients, not to mention, they taste better  :P

~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 26, 2007, 07:36:16 PM
Personally, I could never eat the amount of raw veg that I do cooked, so in that respect, I'm getting more nutrients, not to mention, they taste better  :P

~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene

raw is better from a enzyme etc point of view and is generally better for most nutrients and for our body to use etc. however, i agree that a mix is probably best, and warming stews and soups have medicinal properties.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 26, 2007, 09:48:18 PM
I'm getting more nutrients

  no, you're not getting more nutrients. Hope this helps.

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~btw cooking has been shown to increase the absorption of b-carotene and lycopene[/color]

  Waht about the 2,000 other substances that are dramatically redused by cooking? Waht a stupid trade-off if you ask me.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 26, 2007, 09:52:08 PM
however, i agree that a mix is probably best

  What is the logic behind this? If it increases bioavailability while decreasing the amount of said nutrients, then cooking a vegetable is neutral at best. If so, then raw and cooked are equal in terms of nutritional profile. So eating a mix of raw and cooked vegetables will yield the same amount of nutrients of eating all raw vegetables or all cooked vegetables.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 27, 2007, 08:39:15 AM
  What is the logic behind this? If it increases bioavailability while decreasing the amount of said nutrients, then cooking a vegetable is neutral at best. If so, then raw and cooked are equal in terms of nutritional profile. So eating a mix of raw and cooked vegetables will yield the same amount of nutrients of eating all raw vegetables or all cooked vegetables.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.

things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 27, 2007, 12:00:34 PM
It is pretty worthless trying to state the winner of Raw/coocked/steamed without having sufficient data and the ability to analyze them, which we do not have here.

The claim of a "neutral benefit" = a stretch.

UsmokePole = correct.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Princess L on December 27, 2007, 01:40:16 PM
  no, you're not getting more nutrients. Hope this helps.

  Waht about the 2,000 other substances that are dramatically redused by cooking? Waht a stupid trade-off if you ask me.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?

no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.

things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.

Thanks for stating that  ;)
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 27, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?

Thanks for stating that  ;)

its an obvious argument, you make perfect sense imo.

plus the factor or amount due to taste etc is another issue. i felt worse eating mostly raw veggies for a while, a couple salads a day.
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 27, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
no, lightly steaming vegatebles do not decrease lycopene levels for example but increase utilization. your argument is that the exact nutrients in which cooking enhances are also destroyed during the same process, this is incorrect. some nutrients are enhanced, and not destroyed hence better utilization. thus eating raw and cooked would give you a mixture of nutrients. its not a 1:1 ratio like you would have us beleive.

things are not equal here and not all of the nutrients that are increased in terms of bioabsorption are damaged, if they are not then cooking is superior for this nutrient, that is why the mix is better.

  Heat always destroys nutrients. This is not debatable. Furthermore, several nutrients present in vegetables, like B complex vitamins, are soluble in water. Just by drenching spinach and broccoli in water some of the vitamins B will get lsot. Sure, the loss is minimal in natural room temperature, probably only 1 or 2%. But putting it in hot water causes much greater loss. Why? Because heat is a catalyst, and is used by chemists to speed up reactions. the losss of B vitamins is over 20% when you cook it in hot water.

  So the debate is really this: is the increase in bioavailability caused by steaming a vegetable greater than the loss of nutients that heating it causes? If so, then cooking the vegetable is beneficial; if not, then it is detremental. If the same, then it is neutral. As for lycopene, I doubt that cooking tomatoes increases it's bioavailability dramatically. The best way to absorb lycopene from tomatoes is to purée it and put some olive oil in it - because lycopene is liposoluble. ;)

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 27, 2007, 03:15:25 PM
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So you're saying that it would be better for me to choke down 3 or 4 flowerettes (which is about all I could do without dip or gagging), vs a palatable 2 cups steamed?

  I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't do anything; I'm arguing science here. My point stands: raw broccoli is superior to cooked broccoli and arguably superior to it steamed as well.

  Yes, you're right that eating a pound of cooked broccoli with 50% less nutrients is better than eating a quarter pound of raw broccoli since you'll be getting twice as much nutients from the pound of cooked broccoli than the quater pound of it raw. My point, however, is that you'll still be throwing away in the garbage an enormous amount of nutients and thus also throwing your money away. It's your choice. I can't live your life for you. You're a big girl.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 





Thanks for stating that  ;)[/color]
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 27, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
  Heat always destroys nutrients. This is not debatable. Furthermore, several nutrients present in vegetables, like B complex vitamins, are soluble in water. Just by drenching spinach and broccoli in water some of the vitamins B will get lsot. Sure, the loss is minimal in natural room temperature, probably only 1 or 2%. But putting it in hot water causes much greater loss. Why? Because heat is a catalyst, and is used by chemists to speed up reactions. the losss of B vitamins is over 20% when you cook it in hot water.

  So the debate is really this: is the increase in bioavailability caused by steaming a vegetable greater than the loss of nutients that heating it causes? If so, then cooking the vegetable is beneficial; if not, then it is detremental. If the same, then it is neutral. As for lycopene, I doubt that cooking tomatoes increases it's bioavailability dramatically. The best way to absorb lycopene from tomatoes is to purée it and put some olive oil in it - because lycopene is liposoluble. ;)

SUCKMYMUSCLE

i understand what your saying but your argument rests on the premise that of the thousands of phytochemicals in any vegetable, and there are thousands, cooking destroys all of them, when in actual fact cooking or light heating increases absorption and breaks down things like inulin etc which allow enhanced digestion.

im half drunk now waiting to be picked up and have lost my train of thought but i was going to use some symbolic logic if anyone wants to take a shot. :D
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 27, 2007, 03:47:13 PM
i understand what your saying but your argument rests on the premise that of the thousands of phytochemicals in any vegetable, and there are thousands, cooking destroys all of them, when in actual fact cooking or light heating increases absorption and breaks down things like inulin etc which allow enhanced digestion.

im half drunk now waiting to be picked up and have lost my train of thought but i was going to use some symbolic logic if anyone wants to take a shot. :D

Go for it.  :)
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: Necrosis on December 27, 2007, 10:21:22 PM
Go for it.  :)

ah wshit im hammered ritght now no joke got the woemn hammered upstairs perhaps ready to be fucked should i give her raw brpcolli? if so shoud i steam it and then eat it?

u tell me?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 27, 2007, 10:26:04 PM
ah wshit im hammered ritght now no joke got the woemn hammered upstairs perhaps ready to be fucked should i give her raw brpcolli? if so shoud i steam it and then eat it?

u tell me?


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Debusseys opinion: Finding the true answer to this question = very difficult and requires a lot of research.

Life = short anyway, so each individual must weigh the benefits and consequences up against his/hers values, and the deeper reasons for ones own motivation.

Debussey just listens to Gary Busey.

Frankly, fucking hookers = more important.

This is Debusseys thread about the "hooker system for a happier life", please read it:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=189815.0

Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: dogpound on December 28, 2007, 12:21:44 AM
Hey gang! Who likes cauliflower :D?
Title: Re: BROCCOLI!
Post by: The Master on December 28, 2007, 12:58:03 AM
This soundclip = relevant in this discussion: