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SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds was indicted Thursday for perjury and obstruction of justice, charged with lying when he told a federal grand jury that he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.
The indictment, unsealed Thursday by federal prosecutors in San Francisco, is the culmination of a four-year federal probe into whether he lied under oath to a grand jury investigating steroid use by elite athletes.
The indictment comes three months after the 43-year-old Bonds, one of the biggest names in professional sports, passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader, his sport's most hallowed record. Bonds, who parted ways with the San Francisco Giants at the end of last season and has yet to sign with another team, also holds the game's single-season home run record of 73.
While Bonds was chasing Aaron amid the adulation of San Franciscans and the scorn of baseball fans almost everywhere else, due to his notoriously prickly personality and nagging steroid allegations, a grand jury quietly worked behind closed doors to put the finishing touches on the long-rumored indictment.
"I'm surprised," said John Burris, one of Bonds' attorneys, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."
Burris did not know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press. He said he would immediately call Bonds to notify him.
The indictment charges Bonds with lying when he said that he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer Greg Anderson. He also denied taking steroids at anytime in 2001 when he was pursuing the single season home-run record.
"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment reads.
He is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.
"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."
Bonds is by far the highest-profile figure caught up in the wide-ranging government steroids investigation launched in 2002 with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative -- now infamously known as BALCO -- the Burlingame-based supplements lab at the center of a large steroids distribution ring.
Allegations of steroid use long have dogged Bonds, the son of an ex-Major Leaguer who broke into baseball with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder. By the late 1990s he'd grown to more than 240 pounds, with his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger.
Bonds' physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge. During the 2001 season he broke Mark McGwire's single-season home run crown, and by 2007, he'd passed Aaron's career mark of 755 homers.
Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year. In July 2006, the U.S. attorney in San Francisco, who led the investigation, took the unusual step of going public with the probe by announcing he was handing it off to a new grand jury when the previous panel's 18-month term expired. Prosecutors are typically secretive about grand jury proceedings.
At the center of the investigation is Bonds' childhood friend and personal trainer, Greg Anderson, who spent most of the past year in a federal detention center for refusing to testify to the grand jury investigating Bonds' alleged perjury.
According to testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified in 2003 that he took two substances given to him by Anderson -- which he called "the cream" and "the clear" -- to soothe aches and pains and help him better recover from injuries.
The substances fit the description of steroids peddled by BALCO founder Victor Conte. But when questioned under oath by investigators, Bonds famously said he believed Anderson had given him flaxseed oil and an arthritic balm.
Investigators and the public had their doubts.
Aiming to prove Bonds a liar, prosecutors tried to compel Anderson to testify. When he refused, they jailed him for contempt.
Bonds joins a parade of defendants tied to the BALCO investigation, including Anderson, who served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.
Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution.
Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who created the designer steroid THG, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny also all pleaded guilty. Korchemny and Valente were sentenced to probation and Arnold sent to prison for four months.
Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges after federal officials said he became Major League Baseball's biggest steroids dealer after BALCO shut down.
Elite cyclist Tammy Thomas and track coach Trevor Graham have each pleaded not guilty to lying to a grand jury and federal investigators about their involvement with steroids.
Troy Ellerman, a defense attorney who represented two of the BALCO figures, pleaded guilty to leaking confidential grand jury transcripts to the San Francisco Chronicle and then denying he was the leak in court documents filed under penalty of perjury.
Dozens of other prominent athletes have been connected to BALCO, including New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi who told the grand jury he injected steroids purchased at BALCO and Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield who testified that Bonds introduced him to BALCO.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
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no one is more pro-steroids than i, but I hope they bust that guy
hahahahah
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Maybe there should be another league. NL, AL, and EL (Enhanced league). The Real World Series.
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more of your tax dollars hard at work. ::)
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I will never understand why some of you people believe that steroids should be completely legal. It's mind-boggling, honestly.
As far as Bonds goes, the feds released Greg Anderson from prison today, so obviously Anderson is rolling on Bonds. Bonds will serve time in jail for this...it could be up to 30 years (probably more like 3-5). I'm not sure what baseball will do regarding the record.
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I will never understand why some of you people believe that steroids should be completely legal. It's mind-boggling, honestly.
As far as Bonds goes, the feds released Greg Anderson from prison today, so obviously Anderson is rolling on Bonds. Bonds will serve time in jail for this...it could be up to 30 years (probably more like 3-5). I'm not sure what baseball will do regarding the record.
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more of your tax dollars hard at work. ::)
truer words couldnt be spoken
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by that eyes rolling smiley are you implying that getbig now has its very own Matlock, also known as "alldrugs"?
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by that eyes rolling smiley are you implying that getbig now has its very own Matlock, also known as "alldrugs"?
i'm suggesting that there's a very high likelihood that a steroid using bodybuilder had sex with his "wife" and he now hates all men with arms larger than 16 inches.
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who gives a shit about Bonds... was a prick anyway
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i'm suggesting that there's a very high likelihood that a steroid using bodybuilder had sex with his "wife" and he now hates all men with arms larger than 16 inches.
I have to be honest, I don't think Bonds' arms are 16 inches.
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Not married and I don't have 16-inch arms (never measured my arms before in my life...ever). Hardly Matlock, just a realist.
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who gives a shit about Bonds... was a prick anyway
my thoughts exactly, just another drug using cheater but hardly a jailable offense.
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i'm suggesting that there's a very high likelihood that a steroid using bodybuilder had sex with his "wife" and he now hates all men with arms larger than 16 inches.
haha, most likely the only time he had a "wife" was in county lockup
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Are you implying that you know something we don't?
Bonds won't ever do jail time IMO, however HE WILL prolly lose the record. The fans will boycott until it is removed from the books.
Imagine it....instead of SAN FRAN being known for gays...it will also be known for the BIGGEST Cheater of all time!!
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haha, most likely the only time he had a "wife" was in county lockup
i think you mean he was a wife.
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Are you implying that you know something we don't?
Bonds won't ever do jail time IMO, however HE WILL prolly lose the record. The fans will boycott until it is removed from the books.
Imagine it....instead of SAN FRAN being known for gays...it will also be known for the BIGGEST Cheater of all time!!
i disagree, he WILL do jail time, these are FEDERAL CHARGES, the feds don't fucck around, he will do time mark my words.
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I will never understand why some of you people believe that steroids should be completely legal. It's mind-boggling, honestly.
1) since I can change my physical appearance with cosmetic surgery, I should be able to do it chemically.
2) because the War On Drugs™ is a failure, wasting billion of dollars and destroying hundreds of thousands of lives every year
3) because if they were legal, they could be better regulated. Still require a doctors prescription, but allow doctors to prescribe them for cosmetic or performance enhancing purposes. that way we could keep them away from 'the children'.
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Loooser. What an *
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1) since I can change my physical appearance with cosmetic surgery, I should be able to do it chemically.
2) because the War On Drugs™ is a failure, wasting billion of dollars and destroying hundreds of thousands of lives every year
3) because if they were legal, they could be better regulated. Still require a doctors prescription, but allow doctors to prescribe them for cosmetic or performance enhancing purposes. that way we could keep them away from 'the children'.
As I sit here reading this I cannot believe this post....
THERE IS KNOW WAY YOU HAVE KIDS.
Better regulated, hahahahahahahahhahahahaa hhahahha
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1) since I can change my physical appearance with cosmetic surgery, I should be able to do it chemically.
2) because the War On Drugs™ is a failure, wasting billion of dollars and destroying hundreds of thousands of lives every year
3) because if they were legal, they could be better regulated. Still require a doctors prescription, but allow doctors to prescribe them for cosmetic or performance enhancing purposes. that way we could keep them away from 'the children'.
1. Meth changes your physical appearance over time. Wanna legalize that too? Hell, why not. Then the government can tax it. Let's legalize cocaine, heroine, etc. while we're at it. Anarchy is a great thing, eh?
2. So you believe that all drugs should be made legal to purchase and sell immediately? Let's make muder legal while we're at it. Imagine the money tax-payers would save not having to pay for investigations...
3. Too stupid to even comment on. Legalizing something will make it LESS likely for someone to come across it?
Let me know when you return from planet delusion.
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As I sit here reading this I cannot believe this post....
THERE IS KNOW WAY YOU HAVE KIDS.
Better regulated, hahahahahahahahhahahahaa hhahahha
now: black market
legalized: prescription from a pharmacy
kids wouldn't be able to get prescriptions, adults would have little reason to sell it to underage kids. and if they did, they'd only be able to sell a single month's supple a month.
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Hope the bastard goes down... NOT for using steroids in baseball (If people wanna use them outside of professional sports its fine... I'm not an anti-steroid groupie) but for being a grade-A douchebag... ;D
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1. Meth changes your physical appearance over time. Wanna legalize that too? Hell, why not. Then the government can tax it. Let's legalize cocaine, heroine, etc. while we're at it. Anarchy is a great thing, eh?
2. So you believe that all drugs should be made legal to purchase and sell immediately? Let's make muder legal while we're at it. Imagine the money tax-payers would save not having to pay for investigations...
3. Too stupid to even comment on. Legalizing something will make it LESS likely for someone to come across it?
Let me know when you return from planet delusion.
OWNING OF THE DAY!now: black market
legalized: prescription from a pharmacy
kids wouldn't be able to get prescriptions, adults would have little reason to sell it to underage kids. and if they did, they'd only be able to sell a single month's supple a month.
Dude seriously just stop while your behind. There is NO POINT your EVER gonna make to me about making a controlled substance LEGAL for my kid to come accross.....
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1. Meth changes your physical appearance over time. Wanna legalize that too? Hell, why not. Then the government can tax it. Let's legalize cocaine, heroine, etc. while we're at it. Anarchy is a great thing, eh?
drug addiction is a health issue, not a criminal issue. treat it that way and you have a better chance of getting it under control.
3. Too stupid to even comment on. Legalizing something will make it LESS likely for someone to come across it?
if you can only get it from a pharmacy, and you can only get one month's supply per month, you can still sell it to a single person. but that is much different that the local drug dealer selling it to hundreds.
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OWNING OF THE DAY!
Dude seriously just stop while your behind. There is NO POINT your EVER gonna make to me about making a controlled substance LEGAL for my kid to come accross.....
Ignore him:) Steroids in sports aren't cool, but spending billions of money on trying to regulate shit that CANT be regulated is even more dumb...
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drug addiction is a health issue, not a criminal issue. treat it that way and you have a better chance of getting it under control.
if you can only get it from a pharmacy, and you can only get one month's supply per month, you can still sell it to a single person. but that is much different that the local drug dealer selling it to hundreds.
EXACTLY.
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Sports organizations, being private organizations, can set any rules they want for their members. If they want to require drugs tests, that's ok. But the government should not be involved. Since I am not on any amateur or professional sports teams, I should have the freedom to use anabolic steroids.
I already have the right to use corticosteroids for performance enhancing purposes, as do every pro athlete in the world, and they're much harsher on the body than are anabolic steroids.
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I will never understand why some of you people believe that steroids should be completely legal. It's mind-boggling, honestly.
It should be available through sports clinics and doctor's office's, under supervision and controlled with frequent blood tests.
Doctors can control the side effects.
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Actually, you don't have the freedom to use them. You are breaking the law buying them. If you are going to live in a country you should respect it's laws. If you want to use illegal drugs freely (deemed illegal by the government in the country in which you choose to live in) then you need to move to a country where it's legal.
Pretty simple.
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Sports organizations, being private organizations, can set any rules they want for their members. If they want to require drugs tests, that's ok. But the government should not be involved. Since I am not on any amateur or professional sports teams, I should have the freedom to use anabolic steroids.
I already have the right to use corticosteroids for performance enhancing purposes, as do every pro athlete in the world, and they're much harsher on the body than are anabolic steroids.
You have the right to do whatever you want that does not make it right when it is ILLEGAL!
Does the term "EVEN PLAYING FIELD" mean anything to you? These guys are using drugs to better there performance and MAKE MORE MONEY!!
LEt me repeat that and let it sink in some. MAKE MORE MONEY, they perform better they get MORE PAY, BUT THEY ARE USING CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES TO DO THIS.
HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA CONVINCE ME OR ANYONE that this is right?
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Actually, you don't have the freedom to use them. You are breaking the law buying them.
yes. I wrote 'should have the freedom'.
btw, anabolic steroids only became controlled substances in the US in 1991
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yes. I wrote 'should have the freedom'.
btw, anabolic steroids only became controlled substances in the US in 1991
OHHHH OK so before 1991 it's ok,
bahahahahaha!!!
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Tim, if you think steroids aren't addictive you're a moron (not a chemical dependence but a mental one).
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You have the right to do whatever you want that does not make it right when it is ILLEGAL!
if it is illegal, then you don't have the right to do it
Does the term "EVEN PLAYING FIELD" mean anything to you? These guys are using drugs to better there performance and MAKE MORE MONEY!!
My example above: corticosteroids, that is cortisone injections. it enhances athletic performance. every pro athlete, baseball, football, tennis, golf, basketball, every pro sport, has used it. Perfectly legal performance enhancing drug.
another example, laser eye surgery. many athletes with 20/20 vision have gotten it to improve their vision to 20/15. Great advantage for baseball pitchers, golfers, and tennis players.
but like I said, sports organizations can set any rules they want. they can determine what is a level playing field. but the government shouldn't be involved.
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The steroid control act effectively removed the medical supervision, and so in the last 16 years you have uninformed guys injecting blindly (you have to have the blood tests, because you have to judge by serum values, not by dose alone) and no ancillaries to control sides. Therefore the big rise in bodybuilders with big health problems.
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hahahhahaa, people are hypocrites, let the home runs go down to 25-30 year with no huge tape measure shots, no 101 MPH fastballs, no more ripped up bodies and see how the fans react. ::)
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OHHHH OK so before 1991 it's ok,
yes, legally it was. and lots of pro athletes were using them. The Olympics didn't ban them until 1976. Lots of Olympic athletes were using them throughout the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s. We should put asterisks next to all their names.
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It's good to know that there are people watching over sports who at least have some ethics.
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hahahhahaa, people are hypocrites, let the home runs go down to 25-30 year with no huge tape measure shots, no 101 MPH fastballs, no more ripped up bodies and see how the fans react. ::)
hahah people were chanting for more dingers in 98 with Sosa and Big Man and when it came out they might have used you would of thought they were child molestors. People were thanking them for "saving the game"
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It's good to know that there are people watching over sports who at least have some ethics.
hahahhaa, yeah as opposed to actually supporting the 135,000 men and women who this farce of a government has put in deaths way for a "war" with a made up enemy for made up reasons or maybe actually stopping the hundreds of thousands of illegal mexicans pouring across our borders every year unchecked. ::)
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hahahhaa, yeah as opposed to actually supporting the 135,000 men and women who this farce of a government has put in deaths way for a "war" with a made up enemy for made up reasons or maybe actually stopping the hundreds of thousands of illegal mexicans pouring across our borders every year unchecked. ::)
Epic ANTI BUSH MELTDOWN!!!
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Epic ANTI BUSH MELTDOWN!!!
hahahaha, how could anyone actually support him?
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What a joke.
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hahahhaa, yeah as opposed to actually supporting the 135,000 men and women who this farce of a government has put in deaths way for a "war" with a made up enemy for made up reasons or maybe actually stopping the hundreds of thousands of illegal mexicans pouring across our borders every year unchecked. ::)
Don't tell me you're voting for Ron Paul?? :-X
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hahahhahaa, people are hypocrites, let the home runs go down to 25-30 year with no huge tape measure shots, no 101 MPH fastballs, no more ripped up bodies and see how the fans react
Mickey Mantle hit 500 foot homeruns, 50+ HRs, was ripped and pitchers back then threw 100+-and nobody was juiced.
Baseball is ruining the game with a juiced ball and juiced players. Statistics and records were a big part of the game, by turning it into XBox for short term $$$$ is really stupid.
It makes about as much sense as NAFTA.
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What a joke.
just be glad Tommy, i mean that scary threat to all of our security Barry Bonds is gonna get locked up, the world will be a safer place, just think of all those guys floating around on rafts outside of San Fran's ballpark who won't be hit by his homerun balls. :D
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Don't tell me you're voting for Ron Paul?? :-X
no, they're all a joke to me at this point.
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Mickey Mantle hit 500 foot homeruns, 50+ HRs, was ripped and pitchers back then threw 100+-and nobody was juiced.
in the 1960s and 1970s, we now know many pitchers were using amphetamines on game day.
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OWNING OF THE DAY!
Dude seriously just stop while your behind. There is NO POINT your EVER gonna make to me about making a controlled substance LEGAL for my kid to come accross.....
Legalizing drugs has been proposed by several economists.. Like Milton Friedman. It would ease the tax burden, decrease the prison population, lower the crime rate, and many other things.
And I agree with Squad, wtf are they doing? Why waste tax money on that asshole? Let the MLB deal with it. ::)
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Legalizing drugs has been proposed by several economists.. Like Milton Friedman. It would ease the tax burden, decrease the prison population, lower the crime rate, and many other things.
And I agree with Squad, wtf are they doing? Why waste tax money on that asshole? Let the MLB deal with it. ::)
it will never happen because GOVERNMENT IS BIG BUSINESS, THE PRISON SYSTEM IS BIG BUSINESS, THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS BIG BUSINESS, too many pockets are being lined to ever put an end to it.
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you all have valid points !!!!
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Legalizing drugs has been proposed by several economists.. Like Milton Friedman. It would ease the tax burden, decrease the prison population, lower the crime rate, and many other things.
And I agree with Squad, wtf are they doing? Why waste tax money on that asshole? Let the MLB deal with it. ::)
You know how many people would be unemployed? As far as drugs being legal, most would only agree to marijuana. If you believe all other narcotics should be legal then you have problems.
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Legalizing Drugs will never happen
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his head is huge. wassup with that?
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squadfather is on a roll in this thread.
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Perjury is cool ;D I love these guys, it's all fun and games, until the government steps in and donkey punches you...bwhwhahaha
He should have just came clean when asked about his steroid use. Big deal, he'd be suspended in baseball. Now, he's gonna be fucked.
I can't help but gloat over this. ;D
Haterade, does the body good. haha ;)
A little tip from the Croatch, when the federal government asks you if you juiced, you tell them the truth.
Sorry this didn't help. :o
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his head is huge. wassup with that?
HGH
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more of your tax dollars hard at work. ::)
Agreed. Complete waste of money, but boy, is it fun to watch someone totally destruct. Someone needs to get up and keep it real on steroids. There are no long term tests that really prove mild roid use is harmful. People are sheep and don't like to think for themselves, typical America. I believe what you tell me, thanks for shaping my mind.
This Bonds thing, is most amusing though. The all time home run record, now just a number in a jail...really, over nothing. I would never lie under oath, unless I killed someone. ;D
It's nice to watch these people get a taste of reality. Look, you took shit, be a man and say you did. That's all. Especially, when you risk going to jail for years. They should give him 30 years, just for the hell of it...hahah Maybe even bring back public stoning.
After all, lying about roid use is up there with rape and murder. ::) Tools.
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Agreed. Complete waste of money, but boy, is it fun to watch someone totally destruct. Someone needs to get up and keep it real on steroids. There are no long term tests that really prove mild roid use is harmful. People are sheep and don't like to think for themselves, typical America. I believe what you tell me, thanks for shaping my mind.
This Bonds thing, is most amusing though. The all time home run record, now just a number in a jail...really, over nothing. I would never lie under oath, unless I killed someone. ;D
It's nice to watch these people get a taste of reality. Look, you took shit, be a man and say you did. That's all. Especially, when you risk going to jail for years. They should give him 30 years, just for the hell of it...hahah Maybe even bring back public stoning.
After all, lying about roid use is up there with rape and murder. ::) Tools.
YES! See how many bitches lie when they're facing a gauntlet !
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who gives a fuck he will get out of it...........
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Agreed. Complete waste of money, but boy, is it fun to watch someone totally destruct. Someone needs to get up and keep it real on steroids. There are no long term tests that really prove mild roid use is harmful. People are sheep and don't like to think for themselves, typical America. I believe what you tell me, thanks for shaping my mind.
This Bonds thing, is most amusing though. The all time home run record, now just a number in a jail...really, over nothing. I would never lie under oath, unless I killed someone. ;D
It's nice to watch these people get a taste of reality. Look, you took shit, be a man and say you did. That's all. Especially, when you risk going to jail for years. They should give him 30 years, just for the hell of it...hahah Maybe even bring back public stoning.
After all, lying about roid use is up there with rape and murder. ::) Tools.
If their are worried about steroids then they should get rid of "the pill" which are female roids. They are messing with their endocrine system far worse than Coleman or Cutler. They should be legal like the pill and plastic surgery. If some bitch wants to go get her tits done and get shots of botox, a guy should be able to go get his Test Cyp shots without any questions. They are illegal so you behave accordingly or put yourself at risk. There is, however, something to building a better physique than guys that juice.
Re: Bonds, he is an idiot. I've talked to a former pro pitcher (a nobody but he played) and he spilled the beans on a number of guys. It's no big secret but Bonds lying under oath sealed his fate. Essentially he started this witch hunt. He couldn't deal with McGwire and Sosa hitting all those jacks and he blew up to surpass the accomplishment. He basically fucked it up for baseball. ;D
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The feds can indict a paper bag. It means nothing. Bonds will be found not guilty. The closest he'll see of a prison cell were the postcards sent to him by Anderson. The record and the asterisk is up to MLB, not the feds.
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How sad is our socieety when OJ kills 2 people and walks and Bonds WILL serve prison time for taking steroids? Although he did break the law that's still messed up.
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The feds can indict a paper bag. It means nothing. Bonds will be found not guilty. The closest he'll see of a prison cell were the postcards sent to him by Anderson. The record and the asterisk is up to MLB, not the feds.
I dunno man, the feds have been investigating him for years. I don't think they'd indict if they didn't have a smoking gun. It could be that Greg Anderson finally spilled the beans because he was sick of rotting in a jail cell. It doesn't matter to me either way. Bonds will never be the "true" home run king.
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Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges after federal officials said he became Major League Baseball's biggest steroids dealer after BALCO shut down.
lol....gotta love the story ;D
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How are they going to prove he actually took gear though? This is where the case may fall short. I hope he gets nailed, my life will be better because of it. ;D
Epic Hating ;)
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now: black market
legalized: prescription from a pharmacy
kids wouldn't be able to get prescriptions, adults would have little reason to sell it to underage kids. and if they did, they'd only be able to sell a single month's supple a month.
Dude if they kids coulnd't get it, then it woudl BECOME UNDERGROUND AGAIN. christ just cuz you make somethin legal doesnt mean the dealerrs would dissapear.
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Dude if they kids coulnd't get it, then it woudl BECOME UNDERGROUND AGAIN. christ just cuz you make somethin legal doesnt mean the dealerrs would dissapear.
WTF did you just say
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People that champion and support steroid usage will say ANYTHING to back up their beliefs, beener. Some of the reasons why steroids should be legal or how they aren't harmful that I've heard from people over the years are absolutely unreal. I think the steroid community has a talking-points sheet they pass around. They all sound like brain-washed robots when talking about usage.
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Dude if they kids coulnd't get it, then it woudl BECOME UNDERGROUND AGAIN. christ just cuz you make somethin legal doesnt mean the dealerrs would dissapear.
Holy shit buddy... learn how to spell! No, there would still be dealers, but do you honestly think that the steroid underground and all the crime that goes along with it wouldn't shrink drastically if they made it so anabolics were fine to use with a prescription? Bonehead reasoning ::)
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People that champion and support steroid usage will say ANYTHING to back up their beliefs, beener. Some of the reasons why steroids should be legal or how they aren't harmful that I've heard from people over the years are absolutely unreal. I think the steroid community has a talking-points sheet they pass around. They all sound like brain-washed robots when talking about usage.
They should be as available as plastic surgery and birth control for bitches but it's not so you deal with it or take your chances.
As far as what Beener said, with any drug you will never eliminate a black market because the issue of quality/purity will always be an issue for the drug heads. The crime associated with roids is nothing when compared to coke, meth, heroin so don't think you are dealing Tony Montana and George Jung out there.
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People that champion and support steroid usage will say ANYTHING to back up their beliefs, beener. Some of the reasons why steroids should be legal or how they aren't harmful that I've heard from people over the years are absolutely unreal. I think the steroid community has a talking-points sheet they pass around. They all sound like brain-washed robots when talking about usage.
Get off the anti-steroid bandwaggon already... exactly what do you have to back up the opinion that they should stay illegal? Sheeet... even tylenol kills a HELL of alot more people than steroids ever did or ever will... Maybe we should legalize roids and schedule alcohol and tylenol if thats your reasoning... oh wait, the alcohol thing already happened and it REALLY flew well... ::)
Back to subject... Bonds is a douche, and he's gonna get a douche's reward.
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Get off the anti-steroid bandwaggon already... exactly what do you have to back up the opinion that they should stay illegal? Sheeet... even tylenol kills a HELL of alot more people than steroids ever did or ever will... Maybe we should legalize roids and schedule alcohol and tylenol if thats your reasoning... oh wait, the alcohol thing already happened and it REALLY flew well... ::)
LOL at you not thinking steroids have killed people. That's just epic stupidity.
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LOL at you not thinking steroids have killed people. That's just epic stupidity.
Hey, Mr. Whooten if that is your logic then breast implants and other plastic surgeries need to be illegal. Great logic. ::)
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LOL at you not thinking steroids have killed people. That's just epic stupidity.
Did I say that steroids haven't killed people? Point out to me where I did... Yes, people have died from them (a HELL of alot more bbers have died from insulin/diuretics though) just because you will always have a handfull of morons that don't know what they are doing and go way over the top. Are they as dangerous as you and the uneducated majority in the media say? Nope... not by a long shot. Show me how steroids stack up to tylenol in that department. Your logic is so outrageously flawed I'm starting to think your a 14-year old boy ;D
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Do you believe it's wise for your average gym-goer to use steroids when they will derive no monetary benefits from doing so?
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Do you believe it's wise for your average gym-goer to use steroids when they will derive no monetary benefits from doing so?
Do you believe it's wise for your average slut to get breast implants when they will derive no self esteem from doing so?
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The feds can indict a paper bag. It means nothing. Bonds will be found not guilty. The closest he'll see of a prison cell were the postcards sent to him by Anderson. The record and the asterisk is up to MLB, not the feds.
na he is going in the joint next to big bubba in a good federal prison for about a year,,when the federals in every country not only usa..when the feds decided to go after you you will be indited and sevre prison time,,feds never ever go after half cases or 800pills of anavar...feds only go after the head of snakes and the big story makers which in this case is very famous baseball player that had very close tied relashions to balco which is head of snake,,feds go where the money is,,where 10k a week of invaded taxes is a normal atmosphere they dont go after your 22 year old wife who want to lose weight,,this is what you need to understand,,barry bonds = money and inaddition hormones and lies in the face of feds that is why he will serve time or get a dream team with all his money and get plea deal or something and if a plea deal reached he will lose his record 100% inaddition to being humiliated in public for ever same as marion jons
this is one thing you dont understand about the fed,,the feds dont play bullshit,,the feds do not leave things for luck,,the feds come in contact with you with out you even knowing long before they indite you in public,,the feds will purchase from you directly or indirectly before they close the loop on you,,this is not some 'getbig i wanna be a bodybuilder gossip and opinion boards' this is feds they are payed to put the big problems in a box and clean the core of the problem
local authorities in every country are different but they too usually concentrate on real drugs not on what your body has in it to begin with and you are born with that is called testosterone.they themselves know its not real drug
the reason they will come knock your door if they do it is because you have already long record fellonies and large bag of problems and known in your local no where to be found town as trouble maker,,,then you are fucked and 99% of what you hear about are bad bad guys who do a lot more than taking dianabol pill and testoerone shot,,the ones you hear about almost always have a hand and leg in narcotics painkillers domestic abuse past arrests etc etc many of them are the reborn christian as you like to call them in america
in any case feds do not play with poopoo,,feds go after big things,,if its less than 10s of thousand of dollars they dont even fart twards that direction,,give respect to your feds they are good at what they do!
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in any case feds do not play with poopoo,,feds go after big things,,if its less than 10s of thousand of dollars they dont even fart twards that direction,,give respect to your feds they are good at what they do!
Give me access to all public records and 50 hours a week. I think I could crack a few cases, as well. These guys have nothing but time on their and all the resources in the world. It doesn't seem to hard to convict a baseball player of perjury. ::)
Tax money put to real good use here. I wonder how many man hours they spent on the Balco case...hahah
Cracking the steroid ring, big contribution. How about ridding the world of major cocaine dealers/distributors. Once that is done, make smoking and drinking illegal. That should go over well with the alcohols and smokers. ;)
The government is filled with epic douchebags. More concerned about a seat belt saftey warning and enforcing nonsense highway speed laws, than actually making a driving test a real challenge.
The list goes on and on.
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Do you believe it's wise for your average slut to get breast implants when they will derive no self esteem from doing so?
If you don't make a living from steroids you are a fool for using them. Additionally, you trade in your self-respect the second you inject.
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Give me access to all public records and 50 hours a week. I think I could crack a few cases, as well. These guys have nothing but time on their and all the resources in the world. It doesn't seem to hard to convict a baseball player of perjury. ::)
Tax money put to real good use here. I wonder how many man hours they spent on the Balco case...hahah
Cracking the steroid ring, big contribution. How about ridding the world of major cocaine dealers/distributors. Once that is done, make smoking and drinking illegal. That should go over well with the alcohols and smokers. ;)
The government is filled with epic douchebags. More concerned about a seat belt saftey warning and enforcing nonsense highway speed laws, than actually making a driving test a real challenge.
The list goes on and on.
remember! only 150 arrests were made in big operation that happened the feds could if wanted arrest 1500 not 150,,why they didnt do it? because they take off the HEADS OF SNAKE,,they take big problems and those 150 individuals were part of big problems that also involved the real drugs you are talking about since they had their own "trailer labs" and if you do home made turky testosterone i can assure you the temptation to make home made meth and sell it and hurt society is big! it is a lot more money than testosterone,,so the 150 people who got arrested were arrested for a reason,,,exact same reason that the 150000 people who didnt get arrested got letter in the mail signed by the feds with love to scare your sissy selves or simpy left alone because the feds know how kids are,,,feds got kids too believe it or not
in any case 150 arrestes were needed to be made and were made ,,,the ones who walk free are not major factor and now live in the desert
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If you don't make a living from steroids you are a fool for using them. Additionally, you trade in your self-respect the second you inject.
Let me know when you start campaigning against plastic surgery then. If you are not stripping, acting or hooking then there is no reason for it is there? More people get plastic surgery than juice.
BTW, would you be fine with the elimination of birth control, also the exogenous use of hormones? There is no real need for it.
I don't care either way but the reasons for your argument are flawed.
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If you don't make a living from steroids you are a fool for using them. Additionally, you trade in your self-respect the second you inject.
Tell us more, "alldrugs"! ;D
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Let me know when you start campaigning against plastic surgery then. If you are not stripping, acting or hooking then there is no reason for it is there? More people get plastic surgery than juice.
BTW, would you be fine with the elimination of birth control, also the exogenous use of hormones? There is no real need for it.
I don't care either way but the reasons for your argument are flawed.
If you train and take steroids because you can't accept what God gave you at birth then you've got major issues. That's not what it's supposed to be about. That mentality represents everything that is WRONG with bodybuilding.
Comparing taking drugs for reasons of VANITY to taking them to prevent getting pregnant is pretty sad. I hope you come up with a better analogy in the future.
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If you train and take steroids because you can't accept what God gave you at birth then you've got major issues. That's not what it's supposed to be about. That mentality represents everything that is WRONG with bodybuilding.
Comparing taking drugs for reasons of VANITY to taking them to prevent getting pregnant is pretty sad. I hope you come up with a better analogy in the future.
Your dancing around the main point he questioned you with...
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If you train and take steroids because you can't accept what God gave you at birth then you've got major issues. That's not what it's supposed to be about. That mentality represents everything that is WRONG with bodybuilding.
Comparing taking drugs for reasons of VANITY to taking them to prevent getting pregnant is pretty sad. I hope you come up with a better analogy in the future.
Hello other self. ;D
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The comparison is assinine and you know it. Good to see you dodge the fact that you were called out on it. They need a smiley on here waiving a white flag for you.
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If you train and take steroids because you can't accept what God gave you at birth then you've got major issues. That's not what it's supposed to be about. That mentality represents everything that is WRONG with bodybuilding.
Comparing taking drugs for reasons of VANITY to taking them to prevent getting pregnant is pretty sad. I hope you come up with a better analogy in the future.
1. Still dodging the multi million dollar a year industry that is plastic surgery when compared to the 1-6% of athletes that use AAS, a number that decreases as athletes increase in ability and athletic level.
2. In terms of birth control pills, they do more than just keep your woman from getting pregnant. They regulate periods in women athletes, keep women in menopause looking liking women, and the same thing applies to female athletes who raises their own test levels just by competing the way they do. If they cannot handle the endocrine system that God gave them and what can happen with that system then they have major issues.
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more of your tax dollars hard at work. ::)
4 fucking years going on 5.... a team of 12 prosecutors working full time on that case "hoping" to hit the mediatic jackpot... ::)
Meanwhile, 10 million kids don't have health insurance.
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Maybe there should be another league. NL, AL, and EL (Enhanced league). The Real World Series.
What part are you trouble understanding, If Barry goes to jail, it should be for purgery not for using gear, 80-90% of the league are "enhanced" he's played on a level field for a long long time.
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What part are you trouble understanding, If Barry goes to jail, it should be for purgery not for using gear, 80-90% of the league are "enhanced" he's played on a level field for a long long time.
he should leave the country now while he's still able
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Of course I love conspiracies... but...
anyone else think maybe they postponed indicting him because nailing the all-time HR leader to the wall would be a bigger trophy than just nailing "the guy who could have gotten the record, but retired first"?
If I was the prosecutor looking for a trophy, barry 07 is way bigger than barry 06.
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Bonds will be found innocent.The feds have to prove that he KNOWINGLY used steroids and that will prove to be impossible without Anderson.The guy who implied Anderson rolled over on Bonds is a fool.Anderson HATES the dirty government and wouldnt EVER help those scum bags.They released him because they couldnt hold him anymore for not testifying.
Steroids ,or any drug,being illegal is a violation of our right to privacy.The idea that a women can get an abortion because "she has the right to do what she wants with her body" but a grown man cant use drugs is about the dumbest thing Ive ever seen[compare the number of deaths from steroids to botched abortions].Add to that that its scum bags like congressman Patrick KENNEDY BANNING IT AS HE JUST FINNISHED HIS THIRD STINT IN REHAB , and that makes it even more assanine.
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I dont know if barry will be found innocent or not. I dont think the feds would press charges unless they had some hard evidence
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Bonds will be found innocent.The feds have to prove that he KNOWINGLY used steroids and that will prove to be impossible without Anderson.The guy who implied Anderson rolled over on Bonds is a fool.Anderson HATES the dirty government and wouldnt EVER help those scum bags.They released him because they couldnt hold him anymore for not testifying.
Steroids ,or any drug,being illegal is a violation of our right to privacy.The idea that a women can get an abortion because "she has the right to do what she wants with her body" but a grown man cant use drugs is about the dumbest thing Ive ever seen[compare the number of deaths from steroids to botched abortions].Add to that that its scum bags like congressman Patrick KENNEDY BANNING IT AS HE JUST FINNISHED HIS THIRD STINT IN REHAB , and that makes it even more assanine.
bonds is cooked more of a done carrer with shame kind of cooked and his record will most likley not stand in the eyes of people for over couple years,,anderson is a scambag but thenagain he was doing exactly what 1005 of the players in usa do and it is hormonizign themselves,,atleast from now when you see sports you know why the american teams are so much stronger and win against other teams,,its because every one is on for years from colledge days if not highschool while in other places they dont have that kind of money needed for super athletes
iit is a shame though that barry bonds life is ruined while armstrong the cyclist that juiced more than barry walk free of trouble to the sunshine,,give me a break a guy with cancer winning the tour the france 5 ,,6 ,,7 ,,,8 times he is lucky they couldnt find their hand and feet in france during his time period because you saw what happened to the other american redhead shame
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federal court could be difficult to win for bonds