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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bigandbrolic on November 25, 2007, 02:38:24 PM
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what are your determining factors? What would make you say that guy is juicing?
Discuss!!!
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290 pounds ripped at 5'8" is usually a good sign. :D
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him claiming he's a natural all the time
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pushing 455 on the bench for 8-10 effortless reps is usually a pretty good sign as well.
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pushing 455 on the bench for 8-10 effortless reps is usually a pretty good sign as well.
so you are trying to saying that I am not natural? ;D
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errr...just ask them!
Oops I forgot, you guys live in America where it's BAAAAD to juice ::)
Seriously, there is a look which cannot lie, it's impossible to describe but I'm pretty sure anyone who's around drug assisted athletes often will know exactly what I mean. I've seen the best natural BBers in the world, and all kinds of assisted athletes and it is ALWAYS very obvious who is / isn't on.
G
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errr...just ask them!
Oops I forgot, you guys live in America where it's BAAAAD to juice ::)
Seriously, there is a look which cannot lie, it's impossible to describe but I'm pretty sure anyone who's around drug assisted athletes often will know exactly what I mean. I've seen the best natural BBers in the world, and all kinds of assisted athletes and it is ALWAYS very obvious who is / isn't on.
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really cause the numbers of who's big and who juice dont match up
there's a 100 time more people juicing than looking like theyre juicing
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It’s like pornography: you know it when you see it.
Bearing in mind that people do have different body types, anyone who seriously trains and eats right knows how a natural body responds in terms of muscle size/growth. If it doesn’t look natural, it usually isn’t.
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really cause the numbers of who's big and who juice dont match up
there's a 100 time more people juicing than looking like theyre juicing
Wow, I actually agree with Bluto on this one.
Have you seen sevatese :o
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Guys wearing t-backs with their backs looking like a pizza.
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really cause the numbers of who's big and who juice dont match up
there's a 100 time more people juicing than looking like theyre juicing
Which is my point exactly, duh.
99% of people in the street would assume a decent level natty was "on" juice because he is big / cut / whatever. And the shitty little McD's diet crap genetics rag top wearing no hoper bum who is on a gram and a half a week and doesn't half even close to the mass of the elite level natty will be assumed to be clean because he is smaller / weaker / fatter / whatever.
Whereas the experienced eye know what to look for and can see it a mile away... it ain't size or conditioning that gives it away, or any sides or anything like that. It's a certain, very definite look that people invariably get when they are on vitamin T. Like the poof said, you know it when you see it.
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24/7 Firetruck Face is a good sign.
Jason
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its the guy at your own gym pasty white and covered up,then mid winter in anywhere usa is sporting a tank top,broken out and tanned with classic delt/trap swelling within 3 wks,then by summer when they should be in top shape small and soft again.
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when a 30-year-old looks like a 50-year-old is a pretty good sign too
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Deltoids. You simply do not get big cannon ball delts without steroids.
Not always.
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You look Puffy,Acne in your 20s,A nice red glow from to much Test increasing your Blood pressure,Thin skin with pronounced defenition,20 to 30 pounds of lean muscle mass more than a very good natural.
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ON HERE - Anyone who displays any muscle is deemed to be on steroids !!!!
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easy, they are the ones in the changing rooms shaving their balls and chest and moisturising them
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Deltoids. You simply do not get big cannon ball delts without steroids.
What rubbish. Next time the gymnastics is on TV, watch it. Full of natural guys with cannonball delts.
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they look like this
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What rubbish. Next time the gymnastics is on TV, watch it. Full of natural guys with cannonball delts.
gayer than watching gymnastics
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(http://hotmomsclub.com/store/images/cranb.jpg)
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What rubbish. Next time the gymnastics is on TV, watch it. Full of natural guys with cannonball delts.
Yeah sure, as if these guys didn't juice....
Hint: If it's professional and/or on TV, they are juiced.
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not too many guys can get much over 200 - 225 lean without drugs.Just my opinion..I'm sure there are guys out there, but if you are 230 + and very low BF you are suspect(unless you are pretty tall)
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gayer than watching gymnastics
Are you young man? Good on you for coming out on the Worldwide Web
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not too many guys can get much over 200 - 225 lean without drugs.Just my opinion..I'm sure there are guys out there, but if you are 230 + and very low BF you are suspect(unless you are pretty tall)
Agreed 6ft at 225 is my natural genetic limit Lean.
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Are you young man? Good on you for coming out on the Worldwide Web
meltdown.
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Agreed 6ft at 225 is my natural genetic limit Lean.
there is a difference between natural 225 and a juiced 225, the body compoistion just changes more muscles become pronounced.
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there is a difference between natural 225 and a juiced 225, the body compoistion just changes more muscles become pronounced.
Exactly when i was on Deca and Stanazol at 225 i was leaner and the skin became paper thin and more graininess to the muscle a very different look to me natural at 225.
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not too many guys can get much over 200 - 225 lean without drugs.Just my opinion..I'm sure there are guys out there, but if you are 230 + and very low BF you are suspect(unless you are pretty tall)
You're being conservative. Over 190-200 lean (unless you are very tall) is usually juiced.
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You're being conservative. Over 190-200 lean (unless you are very tall) is usually juiced.
your mom is juicy
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Yeah sure, as if these guys didn't juice....
Hint: If it's professional and/or on TV, they are juiced.
You ever seen the delts on Olympic (Drug tested) gymnasts?
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You ever seen the delts on Olympic (Drug tested) gymnasts?
Agreed there minature BBs with no legs. ;D
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You ever seen the delts on Olympic (Drug tested) gymnasts?
Gh, insulin
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rear delts....
they stick out and look strange. Yes, gymnasts have great delts sometimes, but you can spot the difference. And don't be surprised that some gymnast juice. To think otherwise would be embarrasingly ignorant
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Gh, insulin
Marion Jones beat the Drug test ::)
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rear delts....
they stick out and look strange. Yes, gymnasts have great delts sometimes, but you can spot the difference. And don't be surprised that some gymnast juice. To think otherwise would be embarrasingly ignorant
So to you guys all natural bodybuilders and gymnasts or uys in your gyms with any significant delt development are on drugs? No wonder you are under developed and will remain so.
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So to you guys all natural bodybuilders and gymnasts or uys in your gyms with any significant delt development are on drugs? No wonder you are under developed and will remain so.
calm down slappy....i'm just giving my opinion answer to the question raised in this thread.
I have (or at least think) great delts for being a natty...and yes, i've seen some great gymnast delts.....but go check out the delts, especially the rear delts, on a seasoned juicer and report back.
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So to you guys all natural bodybuilders and gymnasts or uys in your gyms with any significant delt development are on drugs? No wonder you are under developed and will remain so.
go away
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go away
i second that.
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i second that.
Man am I owned now after those 3 posts ::)
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Man am I owned now after those 3 posts ::)
go away
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You're being conservative. Over 190-200 lean (unless you are very tall) is usually juiced.
epic low expectations...
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go away
Nobody kicks sand in your face do they Coltrane ::)
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epic low expectations...
I couldn't agree more.
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Nobody kicks sand in your face do they Coltrane ::)
go away Sementaste
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go away Sementaste
Thankyou. That one made me laugh.
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They're usually the guys with testicular atrophy. Just ask 'em I'm sure they won't mind letting you have a grab.
But in all seriousness. What fucking business is it of yours and why do you care? So you can justify lifting less weight than them or looking smaller than them? Do you go to the gym to be bigger than everyone? To impress the ladies? Or to challenge yourself to be the best/biggest/strongest you can within your personal guidelines (i.e. drug usage, total invested time etc).
The only people who should care if someone is on crank are those in amateur sport where steroids are not supposed to be used and give a SERIOUSLY unfair advantage to an athlete who uses. Even in cases like these, unless you can prove it via testing, GET OVER IT.
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disproportionate growth of traps/deltoids; backne; significant vascularity; male-pattern baldness; low bodyfat but still have swollen (and often red) face; constant fluctuations in weight (especially for newbies who don't know about PCT); and most importantly: big, cut, and not black.
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disproportionate growth of traps/deltoids; backne; significant vascularity; male-pattern baldness; low bodyfat swollen (and often red) face; constant fluctuations in weight (especially for newbies who don't know about PCT); and most importantly: big, cut, and not black.
Good info.
the easiest way to tell is the bloated/red face. i've seen guys at 8% bodyfat and their cheeks stick out to their ears.
Bright red face, neck and upper chest...
8)
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gym bag full of needles
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You can just tell. Bottom line.
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Which is my point exactly, duh.
99% of people in the street would assume a decent level natty was "on" juice because he is big / cut / whatever. And the shitty little McD's diet crap genetics rag top wearing no hoper bum who is on a gram and a half a week and doesn't half even close to the mass of the elite level natty will be assumed to be clean because he is smaller / weaker / fatter / whatever.
Whereas the experienced eye know what to look for and can see it a mile away... it ain't size or conditioning that gives it away, or any sides or anything like that. It's a certain, very definite look that people invariably get when they are on vitamin T. Like the poof said, you know it when you see it.
So where are these big and cut natties you talk about? I've never seen em..i must be blind
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what are your determining factors? What would make you say that guy is juicing?
Discuss!!!
This is a good sign:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182377.0;attach=215321;image)
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There is a look. Even on guys with not much muscle, the skin gets a look and texture that a seasoned juicer/gym goer can see.
Saying that someone can come off and hold a lot of muscle without that look. I remember when i was clean for 5-6 months people still thought i was on.
But i've seen clean-for-life guys who most people on the street would say was on gear, and i've seen plenty of gear uses who look like rubbish. Only when you know the look can you tell the difference.
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Thankyou. That one made me laugh.
go away.
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not too many guys can get much over 200 - 225 lean without drugs.Just my opinion..I'm sure there are guys out there, but if you are 230 + and very low BF you are suspect(unless you are pretty tall)
Agree,plus the muscles have a tight but extreme fullness to them.
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errr...just ask them!
Oops I forgot, you guys live in America where it's BAAAAD to juice ::)
Seriously, there is a look which cannot lie, it's impossible to describe but I'm pretty sure anyone who's around drug assisted athletes often will know exactly what I mean. I've seen the best natural BBers in the world, and all kinds of assisted athletes and it is ALWAYS very obvious who is / isn't on.
G
agreed 100% ;)
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They look like michael lockett or Jrod
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They look like michael lockett or Jrod
The looked Big and now like this ..........LOL
(http://i16.tinypic.com/6ltp79h.jpg)
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disproportionate growth of traps/deltoids; backne; significant vascularity; male-pattern baldness; low bodyfat but still have swollen (and often red) face; constant fluctuations in weight (especially for newbies who don't know about PCT); and most importantly: big, cut, and not black.
ummm noone does pct only people who have no clue, hire any expert and they will tell you PCT is not needed, I know this goes against everything you heard but lets see guys on normal HRT cycles (not those who always take) do no PCT any endocrinologist even those will will give you 400+ test a week will tell you PCT is not needed and guys who advise bodybuilders recently stopped with all that clomid and HCG crap, like Dave polumbo recently wrote in a MD Q&A hes like when women get ogg the birth control pill they dont need to take anything to kick start their system same with men over time body will start on its own
then again usually those who are still busy with strict form crap will also yap about PCT nobody who knows anything does it
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I know that he chose the lifestyle he lived...but still,it is sad to see a person wither away like that.
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The looked Big and now like this ..........LOL
(http://i16.tinypic.com/6ltp79h.jpg)
Holy Fucking Shit! Is that for real?!
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what is PCT? laugh?!