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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Mars on November 29, 2007, 07:11:02 AM
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Do you think its beneficial for growth to have days or periods when you train with moderate weight instead of always training heavy as possible? what do you think? i personally like to handle brutal weight (most of time perfect form) but sometimes when i dont feel strong that day i do more reps with lower weight and the next day i can be sore as hell from that.
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the only time i do lighter weights is if ive a problem like shoulder pain or something and if i ve been off for a while,
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I train everything from very heavy to medium weight. (3-25 reps). But not in every workout.
But when i go with "medium weights" for high reps i also go "all out".
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IMO you have to move the heaviest weight you can for the rep range you're working within and you must overload the muscle on a continual basis. "light" training doesn't do a thing for you as far as muscle growth goes....just my opinion.
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I only back off heavy training when I have no other choice or If i have a body part that's still really sore from the last workout.. other than that...hell yeah balls to the wall baby! ;D
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yeah allways heavy. but i do some light sets at the end of every workout. like 4-5 heavy exercises then 1-2 light.
dont like to have days where i do only light.
on legs abit lighter though with very good form like 12+ reps
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not on my warm up set. I don't hear warmups being mentioned. Prevents injury
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but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.
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you gotta keep good form. the most imortant thing isn't the weight it is the mind/muscle connection
isolate. relax as many muscles as possible while only trying to train what you're training
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but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.
maybe because your form is worse when you go heavy.
you should never sacrafice form just to feed your ego.
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Heavy as possible, though the body sometimes isn't too cooperative - periodization required.
Also what would be interesting when warming up and pyramiding in weight -> which percentages of your max. are you using?
like -> 4 sets, RepMax. barbellbench 10lbs(minus bar) ;D
set 1. empty bar
set 2. 20% - 2lbs
set 3. 40% - 4lbs
set 4. 80% - 8lbs
???
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but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.
yeah that's all relative...as heavy as you can go and still feel the targeted muscles working. Good point you have there.
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For me , I played football on Saturday with my freinds from home. I didnt lift two days before cause it was Thanksgiving and havent lifted since cause i was really sore from the game. So today, im probably just going to do some moderate wieght...continue to do so next week as well and then go all out heavy three weeks from now..then take a break for christmas (three days) then go light and work up to going heavy in the same fashion. God forbid i have to not go to the gym cause I have family and freinds...
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Remeber it's bodybuilding not powerlifting. the weight should be inconsequential, just enough to provide resistance.
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I've learned that in order to lift heavy, you also have to lift light. 8)
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Remeber it's bodybuilding not powerlifting. the weight should be inconsequential, just enough to provide resistance.
yes thats what seperate bodybuilders from powerlifters.
powerlifters = move the weight point a to point b, dont care what muscles that does it.
bodybuilder = target a certain muscle with the heaviest weight possible without sacrificing form/muscle connection.
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form is important to a point but should never be the give all end all....progression and overload is what builds muscle and if you're not progressing due to strict form you're not gonna be able to overload the muscle.
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yes thats what seperate bodybuilders from powerlifters.
powerlifters = move the weight point a to point b, dont care what muscles that does it.
bodybuilder = target a certain muscle with the heaviest weight possible without sacrificing form/muscle connection.
exactly. Gotta admit watching the Bob Chic DVD's taught me a lot of information, good stuff
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exactly, when i see these goofballs do "bent over rows" shrug upright row style i dont really see growth is going to happen. i havent even done them yates style.
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exactly. Gotta admit watching the Bob Chic DVD's taught me a lot of information, good stuff
i havnt seen it. but im sure bob knows his bodybuilding.
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yes bob looks good, and hes tall.
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Im just going for the health look these days mars, my days benching over 600 pounds are well over.
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Im just going for the health look these days mars, my days benching over 600 pounds are well over.
;D
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you are sporting the health look these days too Dave?
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exactly, when i see these goofballs do "bent over rows" shrug upright row style i dont really see growth is going to happen. i havent even done them yates style.
70 degree bent over rows are probably the best back exersize barring deadlifts, when done properly your lats feel like a lump of concrete at the end of the workout...
as for the heavy weight debate, if youve trainined for a good few yr your most probably carrying a few niggly injuries, best to stay safe and go moderate if your wanting to be training in yrs to come, youve got to be kidding your self to think your not goin to fuck up if your doin 500lb squats week in and week out, no matter how good your form is....
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Yes, because Huge Nasser was a big proponent of heavy free weight training!
(http://www.hugenasserelsonbaty.com/photogallery/nasser24.jpg)
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you are sporting the health look these days too Dave?
now you've done it Mars.
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just to do as many reps with a given weight in a decent form is a basis for progressive Training...
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yes but not 1 rep max heavy....
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Always listen to your body.........if you`re having a good day,pile it on,if not go a bit lighter.
Intensity is key......go as heavy as possible for the rep range you`re shooting for.
Heavy for 10 reps and heavy for 5 reps is still heavy for that range.
If you feel like crap,go a bit lighter but rest less between sets and incorporate some intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Tri-Sets,etc. etc.
Combining exercises with no rest between them or resting less will make up for using lighter weights as they will feel heavier than usual.
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For me , I played football on Saturday with my freinds from home. I didnt lift two days before cause it was Thanksgiving and havent lifted since cause i was really sore from the game. So today, im probably just going to do some moderate wieght...continue to do so next week as well and then go all out heavy three weeks from now..then take a break for christmas (three days) then go light and work up to going heavy in the same fashion. God forbid i have to not go to the gym cause I have family and freinds...
If the Thanksgiving or any Hollidays stops you from going to the Gym than you are not a serious lifter.
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Always listen to your body.........if you`re having a good day,pile it on,if not go a bit lighter.
Intensity is key......go as heavy as possible for the rep range you`re shooting for.
Heavy for 10 reps and heavy for 5 reps is still heavy for that range.
If you feel like crap,go a bit lighter but rest less between sets and incorporate some intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Tri-Sets,etc. etc.
Combining exercises with no rest between them or resting less will make up for using lighter weights as they will feel heavier than usual.
The advise is very good my question is, do you think is any hard core bb on this board?
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if you're not progressing due to strict form you're not gonna be able to overload the muscle.
Progression in intensity is key, not strict form which is only one approach, not the only one.
Varying the weight and reps can be good to shock the muscle. The most important thing is intensity, which can be achieved with either moderate or heavy weights.
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Progression's key, not strict form that is only one approach not the only one.
Varying the weight and reps can be good to shock the muscle. The most important thing is intensity, which can be achieved with either moderate or heavy weights.
And the next very important step is to actually go to the Gym and do-it.
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And the next very important step is to actually go to the Gym and do-it.
I'm making a big assumption that most here actually lift. :-\
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do you guys think its better not always go to your max?
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do you guys think its better not always go to your max?
Unless you're testing for a max, a PLer or ego driven there really isn't much point. I think you should train for progressively heavier poundages and then when you stall, mix it up to increase the poundages further. Eventually I think everyon reaches a "raw" peak without AAS+other gear but 1 rep max lifting can be real dangerous IMO.
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Most good powerlifters that I`ve met,only max out in competition.
Much better to rotate sets of 5`s,triples,and doubles for power.