Author Topic: You always train heavy? (Read 3508 times)

Mars · « **on:** November 29, 2007, 07:11:02 AM »

Do you think its beneficial for growth to have days or periods when you train with moderate weight instead of always training heavy as possible? what do you think? i personally like to handle brutal weight (most of time perfect form) but sometimes when i dont feel strong that day i do more reps with lower weight and the next day i can be sore as hell from that.

Monster81 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:23:12 AM »

the only time i do lighter weights is if ive a problem like shoulder pain or something and if i ve been off for a while,

Charlys69 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:24:36 AM »

I train everything from very heavy to medium weight. (3-25 reps). But not in every workout.
But when i go with "medium weights" for high reps i also go "all out".

natural al · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:30:46 AM »

IMO you have to move the heaviest weight you can for the rep range you're working within and you must overload the muscle on a continual basis. "light" training doesn't do a thing for you as far as muscle growth goes....just my opinion.

thewickedtruth · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:33:11 AM »

I only back off heavy training when I have no other choice or If i have a body part that's still really sore from the last workout.. other than that...hell yeah balls to the wall baby!

MAXX · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:33:41 AM »

yeah allways heavy. but i do some light sets at the end of every workout. like 4-5 heavy exercises then 1-2 light.
dont like to have days where i do only light.

on legs abit lighter though with very good form like 12+ reps

Deadpool · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:34:22 AM »

not on my warm up set. I don't hear warmups being mentioned. Prevents injury

Mars · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:35:51 AM »

but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.

Deadpool · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:38:17 AM »

you gotta keep good form. the most imortant thing isn't the weight it is the mind/muscle connection

isolate. relax as many muscles as possible while only trying to train what you're training

MAXX · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:39:28 AM »

Quote from: Mars on November 29, 2007, 07:35:51 AM

but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.

maybe because your form is worse when you go heavy.

you should never sacrafice form just to feed your ego.

_bruce_ · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:39:50 AM »

Heavy as possible, though the body sometimes isn't too cooperative - periodization required.
Also what would be interesting when warming up and pyramiding in weight -> which percentages of your max. are you using?

like -> 4 sets, RepMax. barbellbench 10lbs(minus bar)

set 1. empty bar
set 2. 20% - 2lbs
set 3. 40% - 4lbs
set 4. 80% - 8lbs

thewickedtruth · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:40:38 AM »

Quote from: Mars on November 29, 2007, 07:35:51 AM

but if i use lighter weight i can focuss much more on flexing the muscle as hard as possible and really feel them work.
when i train as heavy as possible i can finish the reps what i want but loses more focuss on them then when i take lighter weight.

yeah that's all relative...as heavy as you can go and still feel the targeted muscles working. Good point you have there.

jaejonna · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:41:32 AM »

For me , I played football on Saturday with my freinds from home. I didnt lift two days before cause it was Thanksgiving and havent lifted since cause i was really sore from the game. So today, im probably just going to do some moderate wieght...continue to do so next week as well and then go all out heavy three weeks from now..then take a break for christmas (three days) then go light and work up to going heavy in the same fashion. God forbid i have to not go to the gym cause I have family and freinds...

Deadpool · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:42:21 AM »

Remeber it's bodybuilding not powerlifting. the weight should be inconsequential, just enough to provide resistance.

ripitupbaby · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:45:04 AM »

I've learned that in order to lift heavy, you also have to lift light.

MAXX · « **Reply #15 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:45:31 AM »

Quote from: Medford on November 29, 2007, 07:42:21 AM

Remeber it's bodybuilding not powerlifting. the weight should be inconsequential, just enough to provide resistance.

yes thats what seperate bodybuilders from powerlifters.

powerlifters = move the weight point a to point b, dont care what muscles that does it.

bodybuilder = target a certain muscle with the heaviest weight possible without sacrificing form/muscle connection.

natural al · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:56:17 AM »

form is important to a point but should never be the give all end all....progression and overload is what builds muscle and if you're not progressing due to strict form you're not gonna be able to overload the muscle.

Deadpool · « **Reply #17 on:** November 29, 2007, 07:57:31 AM »

Quote from: MAXX on November 29, 2007, 07:45:31 AM

yes thats what seperate bodybuilders from powerlifters.

powerlifters = move the weight point a to point b, dont care what muscles that does it.

bodybuilder = target a certain muscle with the heaviest weight possible without sacrificing form/muscle connection.

exactly. Gotta admit watching the Bob Chic DVD's taught me a lot of information, good stuff

Mars · « **Reply #18 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:00:06 AM »

exactly, when i see these goofballs do "bent over rows" shrug upright row style i dont really see growth is going to happen. i havent even done them yates style.

MAXX · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Medford on November 29, 2007, 07:57:31 AM

exactly. Gotta admit watching the Bob Chic DVD's taught me a lot of information, good stuff

i havnt seen it. but im sure bob knows his bodybuilding.

Mars · « **Reply #20 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:40:44 AM »

yes bob looks good, and hes tall.

BigCypriate · « **Reply #21 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:52:45 AM »

Im just going for the health look these days mars, my days benching over 600 pounds are well over.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #22 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:54:35 AM »

Quote from: BigCypriate on November 29, 2007, 08:52:45 AM

Im just going for the health look these days mars, my days benching over 600 pounds are well over.

Mars · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:39:13 AM »

you are sporting the health look these days too Dave?

local hero · « **Reply #24 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Mars on November 29, 2007, 08:00:06 AM

exactly, when i see these goofballs do "bent over rows" shrug upright row style i dont really see growth is going to happen. i havent even done them yates style.

70 degree bent over rows are probably the best back exersize barring deadlifts, when done properly your lats feel like a lump of concrete at the end of the workout...

as for the heavy weight debate, if youve trainined for a good few yr your most probably carrying a few niggly injuries, best to stay safe and go moderate if your wanting to be training in yrs to come, youve got to be kidding your self to think your not goin to fuck up if your doin 500lb squats week in and week out, no matter how good your form is....