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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: NarcissisticDeity on December 03, 2007, 06:08:42 PM
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/technology/orl-porn0107dec01,0,3042163.story
Talk about dropping the hammer !
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Tools of terror, LOL.
They'll do anything to tag "terrorist" on to someone to pump up those term years. I'm not defending the guy, but calling him a terrorist is bullshit.
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Uh, there was a little more to it than just "making threats". Child pornography was the main issue.
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A black man getting an absurd amount of jail time over something ridiculous. ::) Wow, how unusual an event to occur in good old Gulag, USA.
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110 years.
(http://www.dansteinberg.com/blog/uploaded_images/Portfolio_03-717399.jpg)
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hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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A black man getting an absurd amount of jail time over something ridiculous. ::) Wow, how unusual an event to occur in good old Gulag, USA.
Umm, child porn isn't ridiculous you socialist prick ::)
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Yea, like I said, I'm not defending the guy, but the whole "terror thing" is just media hype nonesense. Just call him what he is, a fucking pedophile.
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Yea, like I said, I'm not defending the guy, but the whole "terror thing" is just media hype nonesense. Just call him what he is, a fucking pedophile.
I agree any scumbag that has sex with a 15 year old and a huge collection of kiddie porn should be locked up for a long time. Pedophiles are the biggest pieces of shit on the planet.
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Umm, child porn isn't ridiculous you socialist prick ::)
110 years is ridiculous, and jail time will never help to rehabilitate him. His brain is diseased and he needs medical treatment for mental health, not anything a jail can offer him. Not that I'm going to lose sleep over this pervert being put away. If George Bush was caught doing this he would probably get a suspended sentence and stay in office.
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God damn americans, this is absurd. 110 years for threats at the internet and looking at pics of 17 year ol hoes. What a barbarian dumb ass law you practice overthere. Its not like he was fucking some 10 year old kids. What an terrorist act against a civilian.
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that blows for jerome :(
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Umm, child porn isn't ridiculous you socialist prick ::)
Yes but 110 years seems a little over the top
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Before defending this person and accusing the white man for his sentence, I would like to point out that his name is on a few Pet Abuse registry for allegedly having sex with animals.
Perhaps 110 years isn't enough
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Before defending this person and accusing the white man for his sentence, I would like to point out that his name is on a few Pet Abuse registry for allegedly having sex with animals.
Perhaps 110 years isn't enough
Hahahah is he your kin folk vince?
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Hahahah is he your kin folk vince?
Hell no.... ;D
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Before defending this person and accusing the white man for his sentence, I would like to point out that his name is on a few Pet Abuse registry for allegedly having sex with animals.
Perhaps 110 years isn't enough
I blame the white man.
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Before defending this person and accusing the white man for his sentence, I would like to point out that his name is on a few Pet Abuse registry for allegedly having sex with animals.
Perhaps 110 years isn't enough
Bwhahaa its good to see you not blaiming the white man for everything (rant over)
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Umm, child porn isn't ridiculous
So you're saying you support child porn? :o
Begone, pedo! >:(
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I agree any scumbag that has sex with a 15 year old and a huge collection of kiddie porn should be locked up for a long time. Pedophiles are the biggest pieces of shit on the planet.
Maybe you should lock up the entire country of Columbia and many others. The legal age there is 14. ;)
Were you molested by your uncle? ;D
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Maybe you should lock up the entire country of Columbia and many others. The legal age there is 14. ;)
Were you molested by your uncle? ;D
In Canada, the legal age is also 14. Amazing how I could date a 14 year old girl and have sex with her here and that would be perfectly legal (although perhaps socially awkward), and in the USA I could be thrown in jail, and even beaten or killed in jail. Just as it is amazing how a sick fuck like George Bush can live freely in the USA where he would be imprisoned or dead in plenty of other countries.
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In Canada, the legal age is also 14. Amazing how I could date a 14 year old girl and have sex with her here and that would be perfectly legal (although perhaps socially awkward), and in the USA I could be thrown in jail, and even beaten or killed in jail. Just as it is amazing how a sick fuck like George Bush can live freely in the USA where he would be imprisoned or dead in plenty of other countries.
What would Bush be guilty of in other countries?
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What would Bush be guilty of in other countries?
Is this a serious question?
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Is this a serious question?
I'm not a close follower of politics, so yeah, what would he be guilty of?
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was he a bodybuilder? or how is this related to bodybuilding
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110 years is ridiculous, and jail time will never help to rehabilitate him. His brain is diseased and he needs a bullet.
Fixed.
At least he's got this to look forward to.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/32887/
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was he a bodybuilder? or how is this related to bodybuilding
Yeah he was. His online handle was HUGEELSONBATTY07.
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BAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHA HAHA HACKER!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
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For his sake i hope his in protective custody his death would be a badge of honour to who ever killed him.
Pedophiles deserve life in prison should be a law in all countrys 3 strikes and you go away for life.
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The 110 years is not just for "an offense". i na case like this, the convicted is given jail time for each offense. He may have a "diseased mind", but it doesn't belong on the streets. Considering his offenses, I hope he rots. Pedophiles are the scum of the earth and do not deserve my sympathy.
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He is going to get OWNED in jail!
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The 110 years is not just for "an offense". i na case like this, the convicted is given jail time for each offense. He may have a "diseased mind", but it doesn't belong on the streets. Considering his offenses, I hope he rots. Pedophiles are the scum of the earth and do not deserve my sympathy.
I don't understand what it is with this hatred of pedofiles and wanting to see them die and be tortured. People in america were marrying 12 year old girls all the time up until the last 90 years or so. What made the change occur?
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Umm, child porn isn't ridiculous you socialist prick ::)
It wasn't "child porn", he was threatening to extort the 17 year old girls with their own nude pics that they put on their computers. I agree that they were 17, so technically, yeah it could be kiddie porn, but kiddie porn is made by adults who want to get off on the stuff, correct?
So bascially, dude got 110 years for extortion. I wonder what the girl got for putting their nude pics on the computer...I wonder what they were saying them for...
A black man named, Ivory, hell, you should have known he would have problems.
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I don't understand what it is with this hatred of pedofiles and wanting to see them die and be tortured. People in america were marrying 12 year old girls all the time up until the last 90 years or so. What made the change occur?
Easy hoss. I never said anything about wanthing to see him die or be tortured, just removed from society for the remainder of his natural life.
Now, had he abused or raped someone (underage or otherwise), I would have called for his discomfort at the hands of a 400-lb cellmate named Bubba...
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It wasn't "child porn", he was threatening to extort the 17 year old girls with their own nude pics that they put on their computers. I agree that they were 17, so technically, yeah it could be kiddie porn, but kiddie porn is made by adults who want to get off on the stuff, correct?
So bascially, dude got 110 years for extortion. I wonder what the girl got for putting their nude pics on the computer...I wonder what they were saying them for...
A black man named, Ivory, hell, you should have known he would have problems.
The article seemed a bit ambiguous on this matter. First it said he hacked their MySpace accounts and " was demanding revealing and pornographic images". Later he threatened to " make a 17-year-old "the most well known girl at school" if they didn't do what he said".
Since Myspace has a no-nudity policy, this would lead me to believe that he extorted the nude pics and then threatened to post them if the girls didn't continue to provide new material.
Then there's "While investigating the hacking case, the local FBI Innocent Images Task Force uncovered a cache of child pornography dating to 1998 and videos of Dickerson with young girls, thought to be about 15 years old. In the video, Dickerson boasts of drinking with them in his room and having sexual encounters with them, according to court records."
He's a piece of trash.
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Easy hoss. I never said anything about wanthing to see him die or be tortured, just removed from society for the remainder of his natural life.
Now, had he abused or raped someone (underage or otherwise), I would have called for his discomfort at the hands of a 400-lb cellmate named Bubba...
Would that give you pleasure? Do you support the death penalty? I didn't mean for that paticular comment to address you in paticular. Mainly a majority of americans think we should torture our pedofiles. Catholic priests however are exempt from this since they are men of God.
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110 years is ridiculous, and jail time will never help to rehabilitate him. His brain is diseased and he needs medical treatment for mental health, not anything a jail can offer him. Not that I'm going to lose sleep over this pervert being put away. If George Bush was caught doing this he would probably get a suspended sentence and stay in office.
it's not about rehabilitation with pedophiles and child molesters it's about putting them away so they don't harm other children, whatever happens to them on the inside is justice.
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Would that give you pleasure? Do you support the death penalty? I didn't mean for that paticular comment to address you in paticular. Mainly a majority of americans think we should torture our pedofiles. Catholic priests however are exempt from this since they are men of God.
I believe that anyone: priest, hobo, whatever... that molests a child should go to prison for the rest of their natural life.
Now onto the other, pleasure? No. A sense of justice served? Yes.
And yes, I do support the death penalty. Especially in cases where guilt is not is doubt (i.e. multiple witnesses, overwhelming forensic evidence, confession, etc...). Enough with the endless appeals process, these people should be put to death and stop being sponges for taxpayer dollars.
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it's not about rehabilitation with pedophiles and child molesters it's about putting them away so they don't harm other children, whatever happens to them on the inside is justice.
Agreed, Squad. Couldn't have said it better.
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I believe that anyone: priest, hobo, whatever... that molests a child should go to prison for the rest of their natural life.
Now onto the other, pleasure? No. A sense of justice served? Yes.
And yes, I do support the death penalty. Especially in cases where guilt is not is doubt (i.e. multiple witnesses, overwhelming forensic evidence, confession, etc...). Enough with the endless appeals process, these people should be put to death and stop being sponges for taxpayer dollars.
Maybe it would help if you realized that putting someone to death is more expensive then locking them away for the rest of their lives. Treating humans like animals in cages isn't a very effective way to deal with our prisoners. We should follow Norways example.
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Maybe it would help if you realized that putting someone to death is more expensive then locking them away for the rest of their lives. Treating humans like animals in cages isn't a very effective way to deal with our prisoners. We should follow Norways example.
Why do I get the feeling that the smartest thing to ever come out of your mouth was Adonis's cock?
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Why do I get the feeling that the smartest thing to ever come out of your mouth was Adonis's cock?
Hahah go away man.... Not only do you humiliate yourself on a daily basis, talk and look like Chunk from the Goonies with a butt cut, but you also look like you smell like moth balls. I think your Motza ball soup is burning on the stove. Go occupy yourself with something other then get big so you don't embarrass yourself any further.
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Hahah go away man.... Not only do you humiliate yourself on a daily basis, talk and look like Chunk from the Goonies with a butt cut, but you also look like you smell like moth balls. I think your Motza ball soup is burning on the stove. Go occupy yourself with something other then get big so you don't embarrass yourself any further.
Okay, think I'll go play teamfortress2.
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Okay, think I'll go play teamfortress2.
Alex23 plays? I don't see what the big deal is. Hahah i may participate in activities enough to the point where i can be considered a nerd but atleast i am not a nerd in the physical sense to where i am picked on on a daily basis, humiliated on camera while having water poured on my head, having my microphone taken from me while i play man in the middle trying to get it back, having women look at me in disgust while i try to touch them because i never get laid, starting a piss poor radio show where im embarrased every monday night because i have a pathetic sense of humor and lack on creativity, hired by MD and made to work for free, getting my ass kicked on getbig on a daily basis and in real life, being such a terrible lawyer that i have to look for other means of income, need i go on? Yeah...... :-\
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Maybe it would help if you realized that putting someone to death is more expensive then locking them away for the rest of their lives. Treating humans like animals in cages isn't a very effective way to deal with our prisoners. We should follow Norways example.
The expense is the fault of our ridiculous system.
Depending on the source, I hav read that it costs between $15,000 & $45,000 annually to keep a prisone on Death Row.
A .44 Magnum hollow point= < $5.00.
Guilty beyond a doubt? Here, meet my friend...BLAM! End of story. Either give the body to the family or throw it into the ocean.
Now that we've covered cost, I have no idea how Norway handles it, so tell me!
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The expense is the fault of our ridiculous system.
Depending on the source, I hav read that it costs between $15,000 & $45,000 annually to keep a prisone on Death Row.
A .44 Magnum hollow point= < $5.00.
Guilty beyond a doubt? Here, meet my friend...BLAM! End of story. Either give the body to the family or throw it into the ocean.
Now that we've covered cost, I have no idea how Norway handles it, so tell me!
How is that humane? Who should pull the trigger? Should he be charged with the death penalty too?
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How is that humane? Who should pull the trigger? Should he be charged with the death penalty too?
Did I ever claim to be presenting a humane solution? It is quick, painless and death will be swift and sure. That is the definintion of humane.
It's no different that the guy that flips the switch at the electric chair or the doc that sends the lethal injection.
Here, to assuage your anguish for the executioner, we'll load 4 guns with blanks, two with live ammo, and use rifles instead fo a pistol. Total cost still below $25.00 and nobody knows who the "killer" is.
And no, execution is not the same as murder.
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Alex23 plays? I don't see what the big deal is. Hahah i may participate in activities enough to the point where i can be considered a nerd but atleast i am not a nerd in the physical sense to where i am picked on on a daily basis, humiliated on camera while having water poured on my head, having my microphone taken from me while i play man in the middle trying to get it back, having women look at me in disgust while i try to touch them because i never get laid, starting a piss poor radio show where im embarrased every monday night because i have a pathetic sense of humor and lack on creativity, hired by MD and made to work for free, getting my ass kicked on getbig on a daily basis and in real life, being such a terrible lawyer that i have to look for other means of income, need i go on? Yeah...... :-\
just a few obvious distinctions...
me: hosting the radio show from my studio; you: listening to MY radio show in your 200sf apt
me: conducting interviews at UFC & Arnold; you: watching MY interviews on a black & white monitor
me: getting paid to have fun; you: playing videogames to have fun
me: paid 2K by MD for 2 days work; you: dying of jealousy
me: entertaining people; you: annoying people
me: real friends; you: IM(aginary) friends
me: laid by women; you: laid by men
me: victim; you: stalker
hope that helps. now i'm off to play teamfortress2!
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Did I ever claim to be presenting a humane solution? It is quick, painless and death will be swift and sure. That is the definintion of humane.
It's no different that the guy that flips the switch at the electric chair or the doc that sends the lethal injection.
Here, to assuage your anguish for the executioner, we'll load 4 guns with blanks, two with live ammo, and use rifles instead fo a pistol. Total cost still below $25.00 and nobody knows who the "killer" is.
And no, execution is not the same as murder.
Sure we do. We can see the entrance and exit wounds. Maybe we should create an ellabortate computer system that randomly fires bullets once every 5 minutes and time it just right so we can squeeze people in...
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Sure we do. We can see the entrance and exit wounds. Maybe we should create an ellabortate computer system that randomly fires bullets once every 5 minutes and time it just right so we can squeeze people in...
Or we could just order a plug for your bleeding heart.
Why are you so opposed to the Death Penalty?
And I really like the "assembly line" idea.
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just a few obvious distinctions...
me: hosting the radio show from my studio Moms basement; you: listening to MY radio show laughing at me
me: conducting interviews at UFC & Arnold while getting humiliated; you: watching my interviews on your 23inch flat screen hd monitor laughing at me
me: getting paid to be humiliated; you: playing videogames to have fun
me: paid pennies by MD for 2 days work; you: humiliating me about it
me: entertaining people; you: annoying people
me: real "friends"; you: real friends
me: laid by trannies; you: laid by women
me: victim; you: stalker
hope that helps. now i'm off to play teamfortress2!
Time for a reality check ed.... we aren't laughing with you. We are laughing AT you.
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Or we could just order a plug for your bleeding heart.
Why are you so opposed to the Death Penalty?
Because innocent people die from it everyday. Maybe we should strap you in there and see how you like it?
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Because innocent people die from it everyday. Maybe we should strap you in there and see how you like it?
Re-read my post. You're too smart to succumb to the oldest of debate follies: knee-jerk reaction to what you THOUGHT you saw/heard.
I said I am in favor of the Death Penalty when there is overwhelming forensic evidence, confession or multiple witnesses (i.e. in a public place).
How would any innocent die in my above mentioned scenarios?
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Maybe we should start to question the issue. What constitutes as molestation. What if the individual who is the center of the issue actually willingly participates in the act? Does that make them guilty then? Should the FBI be arrested for looking at the evidence? What is the age in which an individual can make an informed decision. This is actually an interesting debate.
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Pedophilia should not even be considered a crime. The government has no right to tell you when a certain organ is able to be viewed. Furthermore, their criteria does not even follow true cellular aging. Everyone has different DNA, therefore everyone ages at a different rate.
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Damn, A.
This shit just got creepy...
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Damn, A.
This shit just got creepy...
How is it creepy? My arguments here in no way reflect my personal views. If you are going to take a side then back it up with evidence. We see topless female children on television all time, naked babies, etc... Should we censor them?
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Damn, A.
This shit just got creepy...
Think about it. 100 years ago it was common to marry 14-15 year olds. 50 years before that, even younger.
50,000 years before that,(we have the same DNA then and now) Sex took place as soon as possible. The average lifespan did not extend beyond the 20s. IF one was lucky, maybe 27-30 at best.
Now, if we garner stem-cell technology and Cellular replacement therapy which could potentially add decades upon decades to our lives, Would the age of consent still stand? Societal norms would say no. The new age of consent would be moved into the 20s and beyond if one had a lifespan of 150-200.
Ask yourself why this would happen?
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How is it creepy? My arguments here in no way reflect my personal views. If you are going to take a side then back it up with evidence.
Are you Adonis?
That is the post to which I was referring...
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Something I have never been clear on...If a guy is 18 and is dating like a 16 or 17 year old, does US law consider this to be pedolphia/statutory rape (assuming you are sexually active)?
Yes it does. There was recently an 18 year old black male i think from Georgia or somewhere in the south that was arrested and put in jail for 22 years in prison for having sex with a girl who was 2 years younger then him. He excelled at football and i think as a good student. They locked him up and took 22 years of his life. It wasn't forceful. Both sides willing participated.
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Think about it. 100 years ago it was common to marry 14-15 year olds. 50 years before that, even younger.
50,000 years before that,(we have the same DNA then and now) Sex took place as soon as possible. The average lifespan did not extend beyond the 20s if one was lucky.
Now, if we garner stem-cell technology and Cellular replacement therapy which could potentially add decades upon decades to our lives, Would the age of consent still stand? Societal norms would say no. The new age of consent would be moved into the 20s and beyond if one had a lifespan of 150-200.
Ask yourself why this would happen?
I understand what you are saying, and can grasp the historical and physiological context. It's just that I'm a little too accustomed to 20th century social mores to be open to wrapping my brain around this.
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Are you Adonis?
That is the post to which I was referring...
I don't care if you were refering to him. I want to know why you think it is creepy. This is a discussion. Are you one of the homoerotic millitary types who only speaks when spoken to? Hahahah give me a break. Answer the question.
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Yes it does. There was recently an 18 year old black male i think from Georgia or somewhere in the south that was arrested and put in jail for 22 years in prison for having sex with a girl who was 2 years younger then him. He excelled at football and i think as a good student. They locked him up and took 22 years of his life. It wasn't forceful. Both sides willing participated.
I think it varies from state to state. The norm is 24 months or less of separation.
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Something I have never been clear on...If a guy is 18 and is dating like a 16 or 17 year old, does US law consider this to be pedolphia/statutory rape (assuming you are sexually active)?
No it does not.
It depends on the state. In NC, you can be 56 or whatever and be with a 16 year old. Hawaii it is 14.
www.ageofconsent.com
It depends on the state.
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110 years is ridiculous, and jail time will never help to rehabilitate him. His brain is diseased and he needs medical treatment for mental health, not anything a jail can offer him. Not that I'm going to lose sleep over this pervert being put away. If George Bush was caught doing this he would probably get a suspended sentence and stay in office.
Damn....you're dumb, Pyle.
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I think it varies from state to state. The norm is 24 months or less of separation.
Not true at all.
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I don't care if you were refering to him. I want to know why you think it is creepy. This is a discussion. Are you one of the homoerotic millitary types who only speaks when spoken to? Hahahah give me a break. Answer the question.
And you wonder why people rip on you? I have maintained a calm, discussive demeanor and you hit me with this? Did you even read my response to Adonis? If so, you know the answer and there is no need to start the typical "Getbig talking down to people" policy.
That's why I'm reluctant to post here on any regular basis.
And how did you make the leap to "homoerotic"? Methinks the lad doth protest to much...
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In Canada, the legal age is also 14. Amazing how I could date a 14 year old girl and have sex with her here and that would be perfectly legal (although perhaps socially awkward), and in the USA I could be thrown in jail, and even beaten or killed in jail. Just as it is amazing how a sick fuck like George Bush can live freely in the USA where he would be imprisoned or dead in plenty of other countries.
Ah.....you're Canadian....that explains it.
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Will this girl ever be able to have sex legally?
12-Year-Old Maryland Girl Has Not Aged In Years
The Pittsburgh Channel ^ | 5/13/05
BALTIMORE -- Imagine being frozen in time as a baby forever. It sounds impossible, but it describes Brooke Greenberg.
The Baltimore-area girl may look like a baby, but she's nearly a teenager. In most respects, Brooke looks and acts like your average 6-month-old baby -- she weighs 13 pounds and she is 27 inches long.
Brooke Greenberg, 12, weighs 13 pounds and is 27 inches long.
But Brooke is actually 12 years old, reported WBAL-TV in Baltimore.
Brooke doesn't age. Her syndrome remains undiagnosed and unnamed, and as far as doctors can tell, she is the only one in the world who has it.
Dr. Laurence Pakula has been Brooke's pediatrician since she was born.
"In height, weight, she's 6 to 12 months," Pakula said. "If you ask any physician who knows nothing about her, the response is that she is maybe a handicapped 2-year-old."
Her body may not be aging, but Brooke's health is deteriorating. She is fed through a tube, and she's had strokes, seizures, ulcers, severe respiratory problems and a tumor the size of a lemon.
The four times Brooke has come dangerously close to death, she bounced back and no one knows why.
Pakula points out that the girl has a strong sense of self and of sibling rivalry. Brooke has no language skills, but she does have enough motor skills to pull herself up in her crib or scoot across the kitchen floor.
Pakula said Brooke has thrived because of the support of her parents and three sisters.
"When one sees how much she has accomplished, it's a wonderful reminder that even for someone who's limited, it's a wonderful world out there," Pakula said.
As genetic research expands, scientists might be able to learn the secrets of this little girl. But until then, it is Brooke who is doing the teaching.
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Not true at all.
Well...I was half right!
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And you wonder why people rip on you? I have maintained a calm, discussive demeanor and you hit me with this? Did you even read my response to Adonis? If so, you know the answer and there is no need to start the typical "Getbig talking down to people" policy.
That's why I'm reluctant to post here on any regular basis.
And how did you make the leap to "homoerotic"? Methinks the lad doth protest to much...
I wasn't attacking you. I am trying to figure out why i am not allowed to question your opinion. Simply a misinterpretation of words my good man.
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Will this girl ever be able to have sex legally?
Dude, I don't think she'll live that long...
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What determines the ability to have sex?
Should a 45 year old retard be barred from sex?
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Dude, I don't think she'll live that long...
So in that case we should bar those who we suspect won't live long from sexual activity?
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I wasn't attacking you. I am trying to figure out why i am not allowed to question your opinion. Simply a misinterpretation of words my good man.
You can question whatever you want, I only ask for a civil tone.
That said, you may have missed my response to a similar question from Adonis. My response was "I understand what you are saying, and can grasp the historical and physiological context. It's just that I'm a little too accustomed to 20th century social mores to be as open as some others seem to be to wrapping my brain around the concept of sex (with someone that young)."
Word on the misunderstanding.
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I found this to be interesting.
Sometimes kidney failure can cause delays of maturity. I worked in a
dialysis clinic that had a kid who was fourteen but looked like he was ten
years old. He weighed about eighty pounds, had a high pitched voice, no
facial or body hair, a lot of "baby fat" but was fourteen. The doctor said
part of it was that his protein turnover was so low it delayed maturity.
Apparently in older times people matured later, probably in part due to
diet. JS Bach, for example, had a "sweet soprano" voice until his late
teens. He was born in the late sixteen hundreds in Germany. He later
fathered twenty one kids so it wasn't an endocrinological defect (there were
castrati back then too).
If some sadistic person ever raises a child on a Caloric Restricted Diet it
is possible we'll see such things again. They'll stand four feet tall and
probably live to be 180 years... maybe. We also know that kids today mature
earlier as time goes on. Some feel it's because we eat more today. We are
also seeing a higher incidence of testicle cancer in young men. However
these changes could also be caused by environmental factors, such a
pollutants which mimic hormones.
In fully fed adults, you ask? There are cases of people living to 120 years
of age (or close to it) who have no special diets, drugs or other help.
Gene Herron
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You can question whatever you want, I only ask for a civil tone.
That said, you may have missed my response to a similar question from Adonis. My response was "I understand what you are saying, and can grasp the historical and physiological context. It's just that I'm a little too accustomed to 20th century social mores to be as open as some others seem to be to wrapping my brain around the concept of sex (with someone that young)."
Word on the misunderstanding.
Ok... what is your point you are trying to achieve with that statement? It doesn't mean you have to participate in it. This isn't an all or nothing mentality.
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So in that case we should bar those who we suspect won't live long from sexual activity?
Nope. Just don't see the point of that particular debate.
With regard to the developmentally handicaped...I don't know. That's a tough one. I worked with mentally handicapped adults for over 2 years while i was in college and volunteer with a program in my church that cares for them. the mental reasoning abilities are not (in many cases) advanced enough to comprehend the meaning or consequences behind sex. However, the hormonal triggers are there. Within my company (8 homes, 6-8 clients per home), we knew there were certian clients that we had to keep a close eye on, or they would try to have sex.
They know what it is,they're over 18, so should they have it? Tough question that I am not qualified to answer.
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10 years old was the original age of consent in the US
Yep.
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Nope. Just don't see the point of that particular debate.
With regard to the developmentally handicaped...I don't know. That's a tough one. I worked with mentally handicapped adults for over 2 years while i was in college and volunteer with a program in my church that cares for them. the mental reasoning abilities are not (in many cases) advanced enough to comprehend the meaning or consequences behind sex. However, the hormonal triggers are there. Within my company (8 homes, 6-8 clients per home), we knew there were certian clients that we had to keep a close eye on, or they would try to have sex.
They know what it is,they're over 18, so should they have it? Tough question that I am not qualified to answer.
If both sides give consent then why not? The same logic could be applied to baby who feels the need to urinate. He feels the triggers telling him but should we let him urinate? Bad example but that same logic.
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Nope. Just don't see the point of that particular debate.
With regard to the developmentally handicaped...I don't know. That's a tough one. I worked with mentally handicapped adults for over 2 years while i was in college and volunteer with a program in my church that cares for them. the mental reasoning abilities are not (in many cases) advanced enough to comprehend the meaning or consequences behind sex. However, the hormonal triggers are there. Within my company (8 homes, 6-8 clients per home), we knew there were certian clients that we had to keep a close eye on, or they would try to have sex.
They know what it is,they're over 18, so should they have it? Tough question that I am not qualified to answer.
What if you got into a car accident and were forver mentally debillitated in some form. Should the government then deny you the right to have sex anymore?
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Ok... what is your point you are trying to achieve with that statement? It doesn't mean you have to participate in it. This isn't an all or nothing mentality.
I think that some people mature faster than others. There are MANY girls that are, at 16, FAR more mature than many 20 year old males. so, in that case, they are probably better mentally and emotionally equipped to have sex than the guys. does this mean that they should?
This could be arggued for ages as young as 12 or however yourn the arguer wanted to go. I think their has to be a guideline, otherwise there are plenty that would take advantage of the younger and more emotionally immature.
Having the law say 16 or 18 isn't a cure-all, neither does it ensure that all having sex legally are ready to do so. what it does do is keep many that aren't ready from starting too soon. Yes, I know that most lose their virginity before 16, but it will keep some wolves at bay.
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If both sides give consent then why not? The same logic could be applied to baby who feels the need to urinate. He feels the triggers telling him but should we let him urinate? Bad example but that same logic.
You're comparing sex to urination???
Involuntary vs. voluntary actions.
THAT was flawed logic.
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What if you got into a car accident and were forver mentally debillitated in some form. Should the government then deny you the right to have sex anymore?
Again. I'm not educated enough to support an answer for that question.
I have never even considered such a scenario, actually.
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You're comparing sex to urination???
Involuntary vs. voluntary actions.
THAT was flawed logic.
Sex is as natural as Urination. It is THE MOST POWERFUL natural instinct and is SOLEY responsible for the ENTIRE development of Life as we know it. It has been highly honed through Natural Selection. Even parthogenetically .
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Sex is as natural as Urination. It is THE MOST POWERFUL natural instinct and is SOLEY responsible for the ENTIRE development of Life as we know it. It has been highly honed through Natural Selection. Even Parthogenically.
Right. But you can decide not to stick it in a chick..Eventually, you HAVE to piss. You have no option.
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You're comparing sex to urination???
Involuntary vs. voluntary actions.
THAT was flawed logic.
Let switch this around then. So basically you are saying sex isn't a human need. Human touch and contact with other humans isn't a need. Is this correct? Is sex really a voluntary action? Is it not built into every single living organism. Is the right to spread your DNA to insure continued success of your species not a need?
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Let switch this around then. So basically you are saying sex isn't a human need. Human touch and contact with other humans isn't a need. Is this correct? Is sex really a voluntary action? Is it not built into every single living organism. Is the right to spread your DNA to insure continued success of your species not a need?
In the sense of continued survival of the specis, yes it is a need.
In the sense of continued survival of an organism, i.e. a particular human being, no. I am not saying it would be pleasant, but a human being can survive a normal lifespan without ever having sex.
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In the sense of continued survival of the specis, yes it is a need.
In the sense of continued survival of an organism, i.e. a particular human being, no. I am not saying it would be pleasant, but a human being can survive a normal lifespan without ever having sex.
Mentally do you think that can survive? Sure physically they can sustain life... sure they won't live as long and as healthy but mentally do you think they can survive? If we were to supress all of our other emotions could we? Which ones should have a cap placed on them?
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Mentally do you think that can survive? Sure physically they can sustain life... sure they won't live as long and as healthy but mentally do you think they can survive? If we were to supress all of our other emotions could we? Which ones should have a cap placed on them?
Yes. It can be done. To suggest that in all of human history, nobody has ever dies a virgin, and an old one at that, is more than a bit naiive.
For propogation of the specis, sex is a need.
For the individual organism, sex is a want.
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Yes. It can be done. To suggest that in all of human history, nobody has ever dies a virgin, and an old one at that, is more than a bit naiive.
For propogation of the specis, sex is a need.
For the individual organism, sex is a want.
So the individual is not an organism? Is it not the sole task of an individual organism to replicate itself? It is genitically ingrained into us. You are saying we should simply ignore this urge? We should ignore certain emotions? Which emotions and urges should we ignore then?
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In the sense of continued survival of the specis, yes it is a need.
In the sense of continued survival of an organism, i.e. a particular human being, no. I am not saying it would be pleasant, but a human being can survive a normal lifespan without ever having sex.
The organisms make up the species. Extinction occurs when the death rate would exceed the birth rate. In some countries in Scandanavia this is already happening. On a long enough time line, the population would be negatively biased and be ill-fated for recovery, thus leading to extinction.
We have the technology and the wherewithal to prevent that, but that is only recent. VERY RECENT. For Hundreds of thousands of years, humans were teetering on extinction and many genus of Homo completely died out as a result. Homo erectus, Homo habilis just to name two of many. Keep in mind these species overlapped with Homo Sapien which is modern man.
What does this mean? This means that sexual desire is hard wired and so prevalent due to the neccessity of surival. It is Evolutionary beneficial that the organisms with the highest sexual urges and desires are more often than not, the most destined for the longest survival. Sheer numbers will ensure survivability. Sexual urge and desire are very important and arguable THE MOST important in any species for survival.
Given the long gestation period of human reproduction, and the few offspring we can produce at a time, sexual desire is quite strong as this promotes the species to have more, thus ensuring survival.
If any trait in humans made it this far, it is soley because in some way it is Evolutionary beneficial.
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Yes. It can be done. To suggest that in all of human history, nobody has ever dies a virgin, and an old one at that, is more than a bit naiive.
For propogation of the specis, sex is a need.
For the individual organism, sex is a want.
Although this may be true can you assure me they never once masterbated? Has there ever been a recorded case of an individual who lived to be a an old age with physical evidence that proves they never had sex in any for or fashion including masterbation?
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So the individual is not an organism? Is it not the sole task of an individual organism to replicate itself? It is genitically ingrained into us. You are saying we should simply ignore this urge? We should ignore certain emotions? Which emotions and urges should we ignore then?
Not 'should?'. This issue was 'could?'. The individual is the organism, that was my point.
The individual wants.
The specis needs.
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The organisms make up the species. Extinction occurs when the death rate would exceed the birth rate. In some countries in Scandanavia this is already happening. On a long enough time line, the population would be negatively biased and be ill-fated for recovery, thus leading to extinction.
We have the technology and the wherewithal to prevent that, but that is only recent. VERY RECENT. For Hundreds of thousands of years, humans were teetering on extinction and many genus of Homo completely died out as a result. Homo erectus, Homo habilis just to name two of many. Keep in mind these species overlapped with Homo Sapien which is modern man.
What does this mean? This means that sexual desire is hard wired and so prevalent due to the neccessity of surival. It is Evolutionary beneficial that the organisms with the highest sexual urges and desires are more often than not, the most destined for the longest survival. Sheer numbers will ensure survivability. Sexual urge and desire are very important and arguable THE MOST important in any species for survival.
Given the long gestation period of human reproduction, and the few offspring we can produce at a time, sexual desire is quite strong as this promotes the species to have more, thus ensuring survival.
If any trait in humans made it this far, it is soley because in some way it is Evolutionary beneficial.
All correct. And at no point did I ever say that all members of a specis should stop procreation. I didn't even suggest some of them. The issue was one. One person. The WANTS of one member of a specis.
The specis needs.
The individual organism wants.
If one individual organism fails, voluntarily or otherwise, to procreate, the specis will (barring catastrophe) survive.
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Not 'should?'. This issue was 'could?'. The individual is the organism, that was my point.
The individual wants.
The specis needs.
There is evidence of babys masterbating in the womb. To say sex isn't a need is absurd. It would be equivelant to saying males have erections on command or at will. Children get erections before they know what they are just as they shit and pee all over themself before they know how to control it. Hell, even some adults pee and poop on themselves.
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Not 'should?'. This issue was 'could?'. The individual is the organism, that was my point.
The individual wants.
The specis needs.
Not true.
A species survival is based solely off individual performance. Homo Sapien`s sexual urge has developed strongly in order to ensure more offspring.
It has been a necessity given the long gestation period and the few offspring produced.
Right now as we speak, with all the medical technology available 10-50 percent of pregnancies end up naturally aborted.
Without any technology, this number skyrockets and the failure rate for fetus survival increases.
In order to overcome this, sexual urge and desire has been honed to "keep on trying and producing" no matter what.
This is the fate of all organisms. The ones that did not genetically have this desire, have been obliterated forever. The entire DNA lineage purged from the earth.
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There is evidence of babys masterbating in the womb. To say sex isn't a need is absurd. It would be equivelant to saying males have erections on command or at will. Children get erections before they know what they are just as they shit and pee all over themself before they know how to control it. Hell, even some adults pee and poop on themselves.
Orgasm may very well be a mental health 'need'. But to suggest another must be present in order to ensure the survival of said organism is naiive and absurd. There is no science to support this theory.
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Not true.
A species survival is based solely off individual performance. Homo Sapien`s sexual urge has developed strongly in order to ensure more offspring.
It has been a necessity given the long gestation period and the few offspring produced.
Right now as we speak, with all the medical technology available 10-50 percent of pregnancies end up naturally aborted.
Without any technology, this number skyrockets and the failure rate for fetus survival increases.
In order to overcome this, sexual urge and desire has been honed to "keep on trying and producing" no matter what.
This is the fate of all organisms. The ones that did not genetically have this desire, have been obliterated forever. The entire DNA lineage purged from the earth.
Again, all true statements. but you still hve not proven that ONE member of the specis MUST be actively attempting to procreate in order for the SPECIS to flourish.
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Again, all true statements. but you still hve not proven that ONE member of the specis MUST be actively attempting to procreate in order for the SPECIS to flourish.
The number that HAVE to procreate is solely based upon the birth/death rate and number of organisms. Sexual desire and urges helps keeps the Birth rate higher than the death rate.
You can`t view an entire species without looking at the bigger picture. Organisms are sum of the parts that make up the whole.
For example, If abstinence was practiced until lets say 30 or 40, we would then see a rapid decline and a possible extinction in our species even.
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The number that HAVE to procreate is solely based upon the birth/death rate and number of organisms. Sexual desire and urges helps keeps the Birth rate higher than the death rate.
You can`t view an entire species without looking at the bigger picture. Organisms are sum of the parts that make up the whole.
For example, If abstinence was practiced until lets say 30 or 40, we would then see a rapid decline and a possible extinction in our species even.
Again, I am referring to the ability of a SINGULAR organism to go withoug sexual intercourse. Not a subset of the specis.
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Again, I am referring to the ability of a SINGULAR organism to go withoug sexual intercourse. Not a subset of the specis.
Sure, one can do that. If the majority of organisms do just that, the scale tips to extinction.
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Sure, one can do that. If the majority of organisms do just that, the scale tips to extinction.
And now we are agreed!
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I'm not a close follower of politics, so yeah, what would he be guilty of?
He would have been hung for war crimes years ago in plenty of other countries.
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Good read from Adonis. Whats next, 1hr of scheduled philosophy writing and pondering before bed?... like Mentzer...
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What determines the ability to have sex?
Should a 45 year old retard be barred from sex?
hasn't stopped you has it?