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Out of nine statistical categories, Bynum beats Shaq in five, with one category tied (blocks). This appears to validate Dr. Buss's decision not to give Shaq a long term extension which would have fiscally handicapped the team for many years for a declining player.
Shaq:
Minutes: 27:48
FG %: 59.1
FT %: 47.7
Reb.: 7.7
Assists: 1.1
TO: 2.8
Blk: 1.8
PF: 3.8
PPG: 15.0
Bynum
Minutes: 25:53
FG %: 58.1
FT %: 68.5
Reb.: 9.6
Assists: 1.4
TO: 1.3
Blk: 1.8
PF: 3.2
PPG: 10.4
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what's PF?
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what's PF?
personal fouls :-\
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personal fouls :-\
Cool avatar. A classic.
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haha, shaq still can't hit 50% from the free throw line...
Bynum's numbers look decent, but no star quality. Shaq is fading
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haha, shaq still can't hit 50% from the free throw line...
Bynum's numbers look decent, but no star quality. Shaq is fading
The guy just turned 20 and is averaging very close to a double-double in 25 minutes per game. I think he has star potential at the very least.
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sure but your taking one athlete who is physically able to do more than another at this point in both their careers. compare the two at the same stage of their careers. would you take Shaq in his prime? or take Bynums potential?
or Dwight Howard = man beast
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sure but your taking one athlete who is in the physically able to do more than another at this point in both their careers. compare the two at the same stage of their careers. would you take Shaq in his prime? or take Bynums potential?
or Dwight Howard = man beast
But I think my point was that Dr. Buss recognized that Shaq would not be a good long term investment, and it was better to find a young center with some potential that could do the same as an aging Shaq for less cash
Conceded: Bynum is not Shaq in his prime, but neither is Howard . . .
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But I think my point was that Dr. Buss recognized that Shaq would not be a good long term investment, and it was better to find a young center with some potential that could do the same as an aging Shaq for less cash
Conceded: Bynum is not Shaq in his prime, but neither is Howard . . .
Shaq did help Wade win a Championship since he left. Being frugal didn't bring Buss a championship. Just a bunch of role players and a superstar malcontent that doesn't want to be there.
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True- but the crucial questions are- (1) do you take 1 championship to doom your franchise for five years and (2) would Shaq have shown the same dedication to get in shape and be productive as a Laker. I cannot answer the first question, but the second question is a resounding "NO".
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True- but the crucial questions are- (1) do you take 1 championship to doom your franchise for five years and (2) would Shaq have shown the same dedication to get in shape and be productive as a Laker. I cannot answer the first question, but the second question is a resounding "NO".
Yes you do. I'd rather have a championship and then 5 bad years than have 10 years of solid basketball with no ring.
And Shaq has never really been in shape. It was the rift between him and Kobe that prevented them from having more Championships.
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But I think my point was that Dr. Buss recognized that Shaq would not be a good long term investment, and it was better to find a young center with some potential that could do the same as an aging Shaq for less cash
Conceded: Bynum is not Shaq in his prime, but neither is Howard . . .
I agree. Good decision by Buss.
The comparison should be Bynum at year 3 with Shaq at year 3. Shaq wins. I don't know if Bynum will ever be like Shaq was in his prime (probably not), but he has shown potential this year.
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Shaq did help Wade win a Championship since he left. Being frugal didn't bring Buss a championship. Just a bunch of role players and a superstar malcontent that doesn't want to be there.
Not really. The Heat won in spite of, not because of Shaq--with a whole let of help from the refs. D-Whistle got Michael Jordan treatment.
Shaq was awful in the playoffs and the finals during that championship run.
I do agree the Lakers need some major help. They better get Kobe some help. :-\
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Yes you do. I'd rather have a championship and then 5 bad years than have 10 years of solid basketball with no ring.
And Shaq has never really been in shape. It was the rift between him and Kobe that prevented them from having more Championships.
This is true. Although I blame Shaq for most of it, they were both stupid. They could have won another ring if they brought everybody back the next year (Shaq, Kobe, Malone, etc.). Too bad.
Shaq is done now anyway.
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This is true. Although I blame Shaq for most of it, they were both stupid. They could have won another ring if they brought everybody back the next year (Shaq, Kobe, Malone, etc.). Too bad.
Shaq is done now anyway.
he is, but he did go 6 for 6 against golden state till riley benched him.
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he is, but he did go 6 for 6 against golden state till riley benched him.
He can still dominate for about a half a quarter or so. Riley has been pulling him because he is a liability.
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He can still dominate for about a half a quarter or so. Riley has been pulling him because he is a liability.
Shaq can be a back up, but the Ego will not let him..he dont wanna be like hakeem and ewing at the end of there career
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Good above the board sports conversation. Thanks guys.
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Shaq can be a back up, but the Ego will not let him..he dont wanna be like hakeem and ewing at the end of there career
Yep. I'm not even sure his body will let him continue.
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Good above the board sports conversation. Thanks guys.
I agree. This is a good board. Body does a great job.
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Yep. I'm not even sure his body will let him continue.
Shaq does ok for 1 and half quarters, but who else is there to back up, Alonzo?? his good, in better condition than shaq and blocks shots but his real slow too..
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Shaq does ok for 1 and half quarters, but who else is there to back up, Alonzo?? his good, in better condition than shaq and blocks shots but his real slow too..
True. He can play hard for about a half at most. Zo is actually a decent backup.
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True. He can play hard for about a half at most. Zo is actually a decent backup.
(http://www.givemetherock.com/images/grizzlies/lawrence_roberts_alonzo_mourning.jpg)
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Bynum played about the best game of his career tonight against Golden State. Looked very good. I was impressed. His line:
20 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 0 steals, 5 blocks, 0 fouls
If he keeps improving he is going to be a force. He is starting to develop a little mean streak, which he was missing last year.
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Bynum played about the best game of his career tonight against Golden State. Looked very good. I was impressed. His line:
20 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 0 steals, 5 blocks, 0 fouls
If he keeps improving he is going to be a force. He is starting to develop a little mean streak, which he was missing last year.
I think Bynum had 11 rebounds with 3 assists
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As a sixer fan...I would trade 1 championship year for 10 bad ones. We're gonna be bad anyway might as well have at least one championship year in there somewhere.
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I think Bynum had 11 rebounds with 3 assists
Correct. I was looking at part of Kobe's stats. Thanks.
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Bynum on Friday against Golden State:
17 points, 16 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 0 steals, 1 turnover, 1 foul
The kid is really playing well. I'm impressed.
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Bynum on Friday against Golden State:
17 points, 16 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 0 steals, 1 turnover, 1 foul
The kid is really playing well. I'm impressed.
Me too.
Do you think Kobe feels bad for throwing Bynum under the bus during the summer?
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Me too.
Do you think Kobe feels bad for throwing Bynum under the bus during the summer?
Maybe. I'm still not certain they wouldn't have been better off with Kidd instead of Bynum. But ask me again in about four or five months. :)
In his defense, he didn't intend for his comments about "shipping him out" for Kidd to be public, and Bynum had not done much at all before this season.
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Do you guys think Shaq will retire at seasons end this year??? i can guarantee they will not make the playoffs..If he cared for the team he would retire or else lose his dignity in having the owner buy his contract out
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It wouldn't surprise me if he went down with an injury before season's end and then quit when the season is over.
Miami can't justify paying him $20 mil for what he is bringing to the table.
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Bynum looked great again last night. Played against Kaman of the Clippers, who is playing better than any center in the NBA right now. Controlled the paint. He is starting to realize how dominant he can be. His line:
14 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 6 blocks, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls
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Bynum looked great again last night. Played against Kaman of the Clippers, who is playing better than any center in the NBA right now. Controlled the paint. He is starting to realize how dominant he can be. His line:
14 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 6 blocks, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls
Cool. You've turned this into a Bynum Update thread. Thanks!
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I think we are seeing the emergence of a dominant big man. A few nights ago against Cleveland, he had 17 and 11, but missed two free throws with seconds left in the game and the Lakers down by two.
He rebounded against the Knicks yesterday with the following:
24 points (career high on 10-11 shooting), 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, and 0 fouls. :o
I have to say that Kobe gets a little credit for this. Bynum used Kobe's "ship him out" comments as motivation:
Bryant also smiled when asked about the infamous amateur parking-lot video in which he said Bynum should have been shipped out of town for All-Star guard Jason Kidd.
"It seemed to have lit a fire under [him]," Bryant said without a trace of rancor. "It's awesome."
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Bynum, who turned 20 two months ago, said he considered the amateur-video case to be closed when he and Bryant talked the first day of training camp. Of course, winning and playing well tend to ease any lingering tension.
"I think it's just that he respects more how I worked this summer, and during the season, he sees me going into the weight room," he said. "He just doesn't like if he doesn't see people working hard."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers22dec22,1,2733261.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
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I think we are seeing the emergence of a dominant big man. A few nights ago against Cleveland, he had 17 and 11, but missed two free throws with seconds left in the game and the Lakers down by two.
He rebounded against the Knicks yesterday with the following:
24 points (career high on 10-11 shooting), 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, and 0 fouls. :o
I have to say that Kobe gets a little credit for this. Bynum used Kobe's "ship him out" comments as motivation:
Bryant also smiled when asked about the infamous amateur parking-lot video in which he said Bynum should have been shipped out of town for All-Star guard Jason Kidd.
"It seemed to have lit a fire under [him]," Bryant said without a trace of rancor. "It's awesome."
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Bynum, who turned 20 two months ago, said he considered the amateur-video case to be closed when he and Bryant talked the first day of training camp. Of course, winning and playing well tend to ease any lingering tension.
"I think it's just that he respects more how I worked this summer, and during the season, he sees me going into the weight room," he said. "He just doesn't like if he doesn't see people working hard."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers22dec22,1,2733261.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
When he had 18 points, 7 rebounds in the first half I was even more amazed. Soon, hopefully he will be putting entire games together like that.
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Another career day for Bynum: 28 points (11 for 13), 12 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 blocks in a win against the Suns. I'm starting to get a little excited about my Lakers.
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After two subpar performances in a row, the young man puts up another career high against Philly last night: "Andrew Bynum dominated inside with 17 points, a career-high 16 rebounds and three blocks to lead the Lakers, going 6-of-8 from the field." http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280104013
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shaq has aleadygiven up on the team, i bet he will sit out till the all-star break
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Bynum out for 8 weeks. :'( He was really playing great basketball. Lakers tied for best record in the Western Conference. Dang.
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Kobe on Bynum (right after Bynum's injury): "We're a championship-caliber team with him in the lineup."
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bynum is doing well hope he recovers and picks up where he left off.
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Good news for Lakers fans, bad news for the rest of the league
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiK13wfJte2fCCW8friPa7i8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-bynumsurgery&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Good news for Lakers fans, bad news for the rest of the league
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiK13wfJte2fCCW8friPa7i8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-bynumsurgery&prov=ap&type=lgns
Great news, but it would have been nice if they figured this out four months ago.
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Great news, but it would have been nice if they figured this out four months ago.
exactly, its good there not rushing him, like what miami did with wade, but yeah they probably dont want to bring him in since there in sync
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Thankfully, the guys are performing exceptionally well in his absence, but never a good omen when your 20-year-old future franchise player is having knee surgery.
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I like this kid. :)
"It's definitely going to be special," he said. "It'll be my first time playing with Pau [Gasol]. I think once we get that combination going, I can't see anybody stopping us. I think we're going to try and chase the Bulls' record."
Chicago set an NBA record by going 72-10 in 1995-96.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-lakersfyi6-2008jun06,0,7904789.story
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I think we're going to try and chase the Bulls' record.
Keep thinking Bynum.. and beach if you believe they will beat the record i'll do a paypal bet with you.
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Keep thinking Bynum.. and beach if you believe they will beat the record i'll do a paypal bet with you.
Oh no. I only make about one bet a year and I'm still weighing my 2008 options. :) I only recently paid off my 2007 bet. Bet my son that the Niners would have a better record than the Eagles. Cost me a Teddy's Bigger Burgers lunch. (Best veggie burgers in town.)
I don't know if they'll get more than 72, but a healthy Bynum will make them very tough to beat.
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Oh no. I only make about one bet a year and I'm still weighing my 2008 options. :) I only recently paid off my 2007 bet. Bet my son that the Niners would have a better record than the Eagles. Cost me a Teddy's Bigger Burgers lunch. (Best veggie burgers in town.)
I don't know if they'll get more than 72, but a healthy Bynum will make them very tough to beat.
Cmon $50 bet, well you got to before the season starts to accept.
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I don't know if they'll get more than 72, but a healthy Bynum will make them very tough to beat.
Maybe in a different era.
Not in todays West they won't get 72 games.
That's not a knock on the Lakers, that is just props to the overall depth of the West.