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BIO-ENGINEERED SUPPLEMENTS & NUTRITION, INC. (BSN) VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
December 04, 2007
Boca Raton, Florida
Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. (BSN) is a leading developer, marketer, provider and distributor of nutritional supplements designed for health, training, physique, and performance support. Among other innovative products, BSN has assisted in developing countless advances within the sports nutrition industry, one of which is the ultra-premium breakthrough ingredient Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate (CEM3).
BSN PRIDES ITSELF ON INNOVATION!
With an unbridled commitment to the development of cutting edge ingredients and result producing products, BSN continues to set new standards in research and development with an emphasis on science and its direct correlation to real world results. This relentless commitment to innovation and excellence has graciously and humbly led BSN (in less than six years) to an unprecedented growth curve, which has been recognized and reported throughout the world’s business sectors.
BSN’s documented growth has validated it as a leading provider of ultra-premium products in over 75 countries and growing. BSN has been recognized with the prestigious award as the 2007 honoree as the 27th fastest growing privately held company in the USA out of 5000 privately held corporations by Inc. 500/5000. Additionally, BSN has also been graced with the award as the 4th fastest growing company in the health industry and the 2nd fastest growing company in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale Metro Region. Moreover, BSN was also recently featured in Forbes Magazine and the Nutritional Business Journal as a stand out company for its unprecedented growth and commitment as a leader and industry innovator.
These gracious accolades provided by these prestigious organizations only helps drive BSN’s desire and commitment to continue developing products that not only meet but exceed consumer expectations.
DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ – RELY ON WHAT IS PROVEN
The Law Firm of Call, Jensen & Ferrell (“The Firm”), which is linked to BSN’s competitor(s) (which will all be disclosed at the appropriate legal time), filed a lawsuit against BSN on behalf of Michael Rivera and Dan Abell individually and on behalf of all other similarly situated (the “Lawsuit”). The Lawsuit alleges that: 1) CEM3 does not exist in CELLMASS®, N.O.-XPLODE™ or NITRIX®; 2) BSN’s patent pending for CEM3 does not exist; 3) CEM3 does not exist; and 4) BSN is the alter ego of Chris Ferguson.
BSN contends that all of the claims made against it and Chris Ferguson are meritless and intends to vigorously defend itself against these allegations. The Lawsuit is based upon a single test which did not directly test for the presence of the CEM3 ingredient, by a laboratory that never contacted BSN for information about CEM3. Contrary to the speculation of Call Jensen’s lawyers, a patent application for CEM3 does indeed exist and is currently pending before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. BSN is not the alter ego of Mr. Ferguson or any of its officers, but is a Delaware corporation in good standing and which observes all required corporate formalities.
THEY SAY IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY - ????
BSN’s commitment as a leader and developer of cutting edge sports nutrition products has also unfortunately generated an enormous following of industry competitors who wish to try to live off of BSN’s unprecedented investment in research and development in an attempt to duplicate our products’ efficacy.
This unfortunate practice is all too common by our fellow industry competitors, which often leads to deceptive tactics by these “me too” companies, which ultimately leads to unethical practices. These unethical practices cause the consumer to be misled and hurt the integrity of those companies which are truly trying to make a difference, like BSN.
BSN FINISHES FIRST!
BSN’s corporate mission from day one was to make products consumers could unequivocally consider to be the most superior products available.
For those customers and retailers that have relentlessly supported our vision and products, we could never repay you for your loyalty, we can only hope that our products have helped deliver and serve your needs in reaching your health, physique, and performance goals. BSN will continue to push the limits of science with result producing products that continue to set new standards in innovation and efficacy. We thank you for your patronage.
Yours in Health, Transformation, and Performance
TEAM BSN
BSN has hired the firms of AminHallihan, LLC out of Illinois and ReedSmith, LLP out of California to defend the Lawsuit. BSN takes pride in the products which it has produced over the years. Many of those who have used BSN’s products, including those products involved in the lawsuit, have attested to how well the products have worked for them. BSN disagrees with all claims being made and will vigorously defend all such claims and allegations.
Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. is a leading developer, marketer, provider and distributor of nutritional supplements designed for training, physique, and performance. BSN’s innovative and effective products include NITRIX®, NO-XPLODETM, CELLMASS®, LEAN DESSERT PROTEINTM, SYNTHA-6®, TRUE-MASS®, AXIS-HTTM, CHEATERSTM, THERMONEXTM, ATRO-PHEX® AND ENDORUSHTM. For more information please visit, www.bsnonline.net.
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Their general market is aimed at 14-21 yr olds who are uninformed and naieve. How do they justify using super steroid and growth hormoned using people to sell their products? Ronnie Coleman never got 'wicked pumps' and 'unreal explosion in growth' before that company ever existed?
B$N can kiss my hairy pimply butt!
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I'm waiting to hold judgement until this goes through court, if it even makes it.
There's just way too much bullshit in the supplement business these days, there needs to be some house cleaning done.
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I'm waiting to hold judgement until this goes through court, if it even makes it.
There's just way too much bullshit in the supplement business these days, there needs to be some house cleaning done.
Agree.
The expierenced trainer knows what supplements are quality -vs- what supplements are out to steal money from foolish teenagers in pursuit for a big chest as they hope girls give them attention.
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Agree.
The expierenced trainer knows what supplements are quality -vs- what supplements are out to steal money from foolish teenagers in pursuit for a big chest as they hope girls give them attention.
And what supplements are quality, Mr. experienced trainer?? Please help me out....
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wait, are yall telling me ronnie didnt get his size from no-xplode? if so, i am taking mine back to gnc for a refund, and may attempt to collect some punitive damages from bsn for the lies.
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BSN will restructure.
Boss Sports Nutrition Project will emerge with a similar street adress next week.
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And what supplements are quality, Mr. experienced trainer?? Please help me out....
Any company that doesn't cut corners as they would rather put their money into marketing to the highschool kids -vs- putting top notch ingredients into their product.
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wait, are yall telling me ronnie didnt get his size from no-xplode? if so, i am taking mine back to gnc for a refund, and may attempt to collect some punitive damages from bsn for the lies.
Haha, I always have to laugh when I read in Coleman interviews how BSN products helped him so much and are such a big contribution to his success. Exactly the year he signed with BSN his career started to go downhill rapidly......... The protein powders of his former sponsor must have been better.
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Haha, I always have to laugh when I read in Coleman interviews how BSN products helped him so much and are such a big contribution to his success. Exactly the year he signed with BSN his career started to go downhill rapidly......... The protein powders of his former sponsor must have been better.
...and he used BEVERLY INTERNATIONAL products which I think is a top notch company.
Good point. The year he signed with B$N his body started to decline as well with his performance.
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Agree.
The expierenced trainer knows what supplements are quality -vs- what supplements are out to steal money from foolish teenagers in pursuit for a big chest as they hope girls give them attention.
"DOMINATE" by PRIDE NUTRITION worked well for me, but my diet was on point this week.
It will be interesting to see how this BSN suit pans out.
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BSN sucks ass. I wouldn't use their diahrea powder if you paid me.
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BSN sucks ass. I wouldn't use their diahrea powder if you paid me.
SuperPump250.
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Ron the truth is BSN got caught selling garbage plain and simple. They put all there money in to giving Ronnie $500,000 a year, then Monica Brant probably $100,000.Then they spend probably $50,000 per magazine per month in advertisements. When they shoud have put the money into the supplements.Instead of ripping people off
If you look at my post about 2 years ago I told people there is no such thing as CEM.Creatine has to be bonded to water, right. They are claiming there product has Creatine Monohydrate,( Creatine bonded to water) bonded to Ethyl ( an Alcohol) ,Ester, ( a lipd of fat) and finally Malate( Malic Acid) .
Since when can you bond water, fat, an alcohol, and Malic Acid, which comes from fruit, which would make the creatine acidic.
Can you say a kitchen sink formulation, it doesnt get anymore devious then this. At one time BSN used to use Kre-Alkalyn then they progressed , and made a cheaper product. The cost of CEM ( which doesnt really exist) is $10 per kilo, the cost of Kre-Alkalyn is $50 per kilo.
I guess the owner Chris Ferguson let greed get the best of him, now hopefully it will bite him in the ass.lol
Chris Ferguson is a crook, and now maybe he will change his ways, or he will have to pay the price
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Ron,
why are you shilling for BSN? Why hitch your good name to their bullshit wagon?
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SuperPump250.
There are two guys at my work who rave about that stuff. It's awful having to use the john after one of them comes out.
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Ron remember Muscletech owns this board, not BSN. Let the rumors fly!
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There are two guys at my work who rave about that stuff. It's awful having to use the john after one of them comes out.
LOL!
It does work well, but not worth the side effects in my opinion.
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Well - considering I spoke to a few other supplement manufacturers and they even think this lawsuit is baseless, and they are competitors of BSN. It is very east to file a lawsuit, and then want to company to settle so as not to pay legal fees associated with the case. It happens all the time.
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reedsmith is a good advocate
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If you're supposed to "finish first" using BSN products, why did coleman get 4th at the olympia (a gift at that)??
BIO-ENGINEERED SUPPLEMENTS & NUTRITION, INC. (BSN) VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
December 04, 2007
Boca Raton, Florida
Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. (BSN) is a leading developer, marketer, provider and distributor of nutritional supplements designed for health, training, physique, and performance support. Among other innovative products, BSN has assisted in developing countless advances within the sports nutrition industry, one of which is the ultra-premium breakthrough ingredient Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate (CEM3).
BSN PRIDES ITSELF ON INNOVATION!
With an unbridled commitment to the development of cutting edge ingredients and result producing products, BSN continues to set new standards in research and development with an emphasis on science and its direct correlation to real world results. This relentless commitment to innovation and excellence has graciously and humbly led BSN (in less than six years) to an unprecedented growth curve, which has been recognized and reported throughout the world’s business sectors.
BSN’s documented growth has validated it as a leading provider of ultra-premium products in over 75 countries and growing. BSN has been recognized with the prestigious award as the 2007 honoree as the 27th fastest growing privately held company in the USA out of 5000 privately held corporations by Inc. 500/5000. Additionally, BSN has also been graced with the award as the 4th fastest growing company in the health industry and the 2nd fastest growing company in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale Metro Region. Moreover, BSN was also recently featured in Forbes Magazine and the Nutritional Business Journal as a stand out company for its unprecedented growth and commitment as a leader and industry innovator.
These gracious accolades provided by these prestigious organizations only helps drive BSN’s desire and commitment to continue developing products that not only meet but exceed consumer expectations.
DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ – RELY ON WHAT IS PROVEN
The Law Firm of Call, Jensen & Ferrell (“The Firm”), which is linked to BSN’s competitor(s) (which will all be disclosed at the appropriate legal time), filed a lawsuit against BSN on behalf of Michael Rivera and Dan Abell individually and on behalf of all other similarly situated (the “Lawsuit”). The Lawsuit alleges that: 1) CEM3 does not exist in CELLMASS®, N.O.-XPLODE™ or NITRIX®; 2) BSN’s patent pending for CEM3 does not exist; 3) CEM3 does not exist; and 4) BSN is the alter ego of Chris Ferguson.
BSN contends that all of the claims made against it and Chris Ferguson are meritless and intends to vigorously defend itself against these allegations. The Lawsuit is based upon a single test which did not directly test for the presence of the CEM3 ingredient, by a laboratory that never contacted BSN for information about CEM3. Contrary to the speculation of Call Jensen’s lawyers, a patent application for CEM3 does indeed exist and is currently pending before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. BSN is not the alter ego of Mr. Ferguson or any of its officers, but is a Delaware corporation in good standing and which observes all required corporate formalities.
THEY SAY IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY - ????
BSN’s commitment as a leader and developer of cutting edge sports nutrition products has also unfortunately generated an enormous following of industry competitors who wish to try to live off of BSN’s unprecedented investment in research and development in an attempt to duplicate our products’ efficacy.
This unfortunate practice is all too common by our fellow industry competitors, which often leads to deceptive tactics by these “me too” companies, which ultimately leads to unethical practices. These unethical practices cause the consumer to be misled and hurt the integrity of those companies which are truly trying to make a difference, like BSN.
BSN FINISHES FIRST!
BSN’s corporate mission from day one was to make products consumers could unequivocally consider to be the most superior products available.
For those customers and retailers that have relentlessly supported our vision and products, we could never repay you for your loyalty, we can only hope that our products have helped deliver and serve your needs in reaching your health, physique, and performance goals. BSN will continue to push the limits of science with result producing products that continue to set new standards in innovation and efficacy. We thank you for your patronage.
Yours in Health, Transformation, and Performance
TEAM BSN
BSN has hired the firms of AminHallihan, LLC out of Illinois and ReedSmith, LLP out of California to defend the Lawsuit. BSN takes pride in the products which it has produced over the years. Many of those who have used BSN’s products, including those products involved in the lawsuit, have attested to how well the products have worked for them. BSN disagrees with all claims being made and will vigorously defend all such claims and allegations.
Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. is a leading developer, marketer, provider and distributor of nutritional supplements designed for training, physique, and performance. BSN’s innovative and effective products include NITRIX®, NO-XPLODETM, CELLMASS®, LEAN DESSERT PROTEINTM, SYNTHA-6®, TRUE-MASS®, AXIS-HTTM, CHEATERSTM, THERMONEXTM, ATRO-PHEX® AND ENDORUSHTM. For more information please visit, www.bsnonline.net.
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If you're supposed to "finish first" using BSN products, why did coleman get 4th at the olympia (a gift at that)??
because bsn were paying ronnie while celltech were paying the judges. ;)
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The Law Firm of Call, Jensen & Ferrell (“The Firm”), which is linked to BSN’s competitor(s) (which will all be disclosed at the appropriate legal time), filed a lawsuit against BSN on behalf of Michael Rivera and Dan Abell individually and on behalf of all other similarly situated (the “Lawsuit”). The Lawsuit alleges that: 1) CEM3 does not exist in CELLMASS®, N.O.-XPLODE™ or NITRIX®; 2) BSN’s patent pending for CEM3 does not exist; 3) CEM3 does not exist; and 4) BSN is the alter ego of Chris Ferguson.
BSN contends that all of the claims made against it and Chris Ferguson are meritless and intends to vigorously defend itself against these allegations. The Lawsuit is based upon a single test which did not directly test for the presence of the CEM3 ingredient, by a laboratory that never contacted BSN for information about CEM3. Contrary to the speculation of Call Jensen’s lawyers, a patent application for CEM3 does indeed exist and is currently pending before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. BSN is not the alter ego of Mr. Ferguson or any of its officers, but is a Delaware corporation in good standing and which observes all required corporate formalities.
I don't care what is really in it so long as it isn't harmful to my health. It maybe a placebo or legit but the fact is that I got a more intense workout in when using the Explode and that is all that matters right?
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I don't care what is really in it so long as it isn't harmful to my health. It maybe a placebo or legit but the fact is that I got a more intense workout in when using the Explode and that is all that matters right?
ummm...no
if someone sells you sugar cubes while clamining it is something else is illegal.
the placebo effect shouldn't be factored in. You should get what is listed on the product
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Well - considering I spoke to a few other supplement manufacturers and they even think this lawsuit is baseless, and they are competitors of BSN. It is very east to file a lawsuit, and then want to company to settle so as not to pay legal fees associated with the case. It happens all the time.
It's a common misconception that it is easy to file a baseless lawsuit. Not true in federal court and in most states. Federal Court has Rule 11 and most states have a similar analog that says that if you file a lawsuit that is baseless, then you will pay the defending party's legal fees and costs. Some states may even impose treble damages to discourage baseless lawsuits. I can assure you that this action was not filed without merit. Sorry Ron, but you are wrong on this one.
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Haha, I always have to laugh when I read in Coleman interviews how BSN products helped him so much and are such a big contribution to his success. Exactly the year he signed with BSN his career started to go downhill rapidly......... The protein powders of his former sponsor must have been better.
LOL.....HAHAHA. it's unbelievable what these Supps companies would do to sell their Shits. I wonder why there is no strict Regulations to the supplement companies. Apparently, they're making a killing out of people's Pockets
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Their general market is aimed at 14-21 yr olds who are uninformed and naieve. How do they justify using super steroid and growth hormoned using people to sell their products? Ronnie Coleman never got 'wicked pumps' and 'unreal explosion in growth' before that company ever existed?
B$N can kiss my hairy pimply butt!
Great post !
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It's a common misconception that it is easy to file a baseless lawsuit. Not true in federal court and in most states. Federal Court has Rule 11 and most states have a similar analog that says that if you file a lawsuit that is baseless, then you will pay the defending party's legal fees and costs. Some states may even impose treble damages to discourage baseless lawsuits. I can assure you that this action was not filed without merit. Sorry Ron, but you are wrong on this one.
Even if a Rule 11 sanction didn't work, it will probably still cost the plaintiff, assuming he hired competent counsel, a buttload of money just to initiate the lawsuit and go through discovery. Heaven forbid if they went to trial, which might be in BSN's interest unless they can keep the plaintiff quiet about the terms of the settlement.
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Even if a Rule 11 sanction didn't work, it will probably still cost the plaintiff, assuming he hired competent counsel, a buttload of money just to initiate the lawsuit and go through discovery. Heaven forbid if they went to trial, which might be in BSN's interest unless they can keep the plaintiff quiet about the terms of the settlement.
If its a class action lawsuit as Ron indicated, you can't keep the terms of the settlement quiet.
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There are two guys at my work who rave about that stuff. It's awful having to use the john after one of them comes out.
Exactly. That's probably why they're coming out with PlasmaJet--to replace their super laxative.
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im no chemist but it looks like the chinese are making the stuff too, not just bsn.
http://waseta.en.alibaba.com/product/50385944/51878799/Amino_Acid/Creatine_Ethyl_Ester_Malate.html
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Clever BSN marketing
STREET CRED
"No explode is the best supplement I've ever used" Ronnie Coleman
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Even if a Rule 11 sanction didn't work, it will probably still cost the plaintiff, assuming he hired competent counsel, a buttload of money just to initiate the lawsuit and go through discovery. Heaven forbid if they went to trial, which might be in BSN's interest unless they can keep the plaintiff quiet about the terms of the settlement.
umm no this is federal court everything works. No lawyer is going to ruin his career and bankrupt his practice over some faulty lab tests, you and the lawyers can bank on that
BSN got caught talk to supplement insiders such as the ones that post here, the legit ones will tell you "eh, you won't believe what else goes on, that is nothing" the non legit ones that sell garbage will say "this is a baseless attack on the industry"
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It's a common misconception that it is easy to file a baseless lawsuit. Not true in federal court and in most states. Federal Court has Rule 11 and most states have a similar analog that says that if you file a lawsuit that is baseless, then you will pay the defending party's legal fees and costs. Some states may even impose treble damages to discourage baseless lawsuits. I can assure you that this action was not filed without merit. Sorry Ron, but you are wrong on this one.
The idea that there are so many "baseless lawsuits" and that we have "too much litigation" clogging our system is a bunch of shit. The notion is brought to us by the very corporations that are tired of being held accountable.
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It's a common misconception that it is easy to file a baseless lawsuit. Not true in federal court and in most states. Federal Court has Rule 11 and most states have a similar analog that says that if you file a lawsuit that is baseless, then you will pay the defending party's legal fees and costs. Some states may even impose treble damages to discourage baseless lawsuits. I can assure you that this action was not filed without merit. Sorry Ron, but you are wrong on this one.
Ha - I am laughing at this. I think I have been involved in about 6-7 suits now, and yes, a lot were baseless. Oh, even a summary judgement to dismiss takes 60 days, plus 30 days to respond and so on. Get with it.
We fought one baseless lawsuit, and won, but it cost us $30,000, and since the judge didnt think it was outrageous, didnt just go ahead and award anything. Meanwhile, the other side is based on contingency, hoping that you will settle and they get some money for lawyer fees.
Another lawsuit, we won, but it took two years to finish, and cost another $30,000 plus time, all to get $25,000.
Still another lawsuit, the file, and just hope you will settle for something, less than it would cost to go through a trail. Keep in mind, lawyer fees can range for $200-450 a hour, plus a lot more, so just defending yourself can cost 30K or more. Yes, way too many baseless lawsuits in our country.
BSN is BSN, but when even the top 'rival' supplement companies think this lawsuit isnt right, and have tested for it, then you need to think about things. Reminds me of this one study that said 20% of all supplements contains steroids! Wait... didn't that study just come out this week.
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NoXplode is definitely a badass product. It works for sure.
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Ron,
what percentage of Ronnie's muscles are from those cutting edge BSN products and what percentage are from steroids?
Ha - I am laughing at this. I think I have been involved in about 6-7 suits now, and yes, a lot were baseless. Oh, even a summary judgement to dismiss takes 60 days, plus 30 days to respond and so on. Get with it.
We fought one baseless lawsuit, and won, but it cost us $30,000, and since the judge didnt think it was outrageous, didnt just go ahead and award anything. Meanwhile, the other side is based on contingency, hoping that you will settle and they get some money for lawyer fees.
Another lawsuit, we won, but it took two years to finish, and cost another $30,000 plus time, all to get $25,000.
Still another lawsuit, the file, and just hope you will settle for something, less than it would cost to go through a trail. Keep in mind, lawyer fees can range for $200-450 a hour, plus a lot more, so just defending yourself can cost 30K or more. Yes, way too many baseless lawsuits in our country.
BSN is BSN, but when even the top 'rival' supplement companies think this lawsuit isnt right, and have tested for it, then you need to think about things. Reminds me of this one study that said 20% of all supplements contains steroids! Wait... didn't that study just come out this week.
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We fought one baseless lawsuit, and won, but it cost us $30,000, and since the judge didnt think it was outrageous, didnt just go ahead and award anything. Meanwhile, the other side is based on contingency, hoping that you will settle and they get some money for lawyer fees.
So you're saying that although the charges against you were dropped you didn't get financial remuneration because the charges were not outrageous? I think the only prerequisite for getting your legal fees reimbursed should be having the charges dropped.
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BSN is BSN, but when even the top 'rival' supplement companies think this lawsuit isnt right, and have tested for it, then you need to think about things. Reminds me of this one study that said 20% of all supplements contains steroids! Wait... didn't that study just come out this week.
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when i first bought it i didn't even read what was in it. it just gave me crazy pumps. i've tried superpump250 but like the no xplode a little better. as long as it gives me the pumps i really dont care what's in it.
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when i first bought it i didn't even read what was in it. it just gave me crazy pumps. i've tried superpump250 but like the no xplode a little better. as long as it gives me the pumps i really dont care what's in it.
Same here, providing it is nothing dangerous. That said, listing the ingredients properly is the socially responsible and moral thing to do.
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NoXplode is definitely a badass product. It works for sure.
Hi Bsn
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i thought BSN was out of boca raton
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What is all this BS about creatine ,I think is over rated you will not get better result from Ethyl Ester Malate than from Creatine mono, is all about marketing to make $$$$. Is even bigger BS going on with the Tribulus products, every company is focusing on how much % Protodioscin they have in their product ,actually is not only the Protodioscin furostanol is important. The 2 dominating furostanol bisglycosides have been identified as protodiscin and protogracillin and have been tested biologically as a pure substances. To test the protodioscin you need to have a standard which it is available in the USA ( finally), for the protogracillin is no standard in the USA, the standard for protogracillin is available only in Bulgaria. And the % between the 2 furostanol is very important.
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I'm filing this whole thread under the category "who cares?" ::)
Who the hell takes any of the crap BSN or any of their competitors are selling anyway? You could just toss your money out the window instead, and your results would be the same.
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Ha - I am laughing at this. I think I have been involved in about 6-7 suits now, and yes, a lot were baseless. Oh, even a summary judgement to dismiss takes 60 days, plus 30 days to respond and so on. Get with it.
We fought one baseless lawsuit, and won, but it cost us $30,000, and since the judge didnt think it was outrageous, didnt just go ahead and award anything. Meanwhile, the other side is based on contingency, hoping that you will settle and they get some money for lawyer fees.
Another lawsuit, we won, but it took two years to finish, and cost another $30,000 plus time, all to get $25,000.
Still another lawsuit, the file, and just hope you will settle for something, less than it would cost to go through a trail. Keep in mind, lawyer fees can range for $200-450 a hour, plus a lot more, so just defending yourself can cost 30K or more. Yes, way too many baseless lawsuits in our country.
BSN is BSN, but when even the top 'rival' supplement companies think this lawsuit isnt right, and have tested for it, then you need to think about things. Reminds me of this one study that said 20% of all supplements contains steroids! Wait... didn't that study just come out this week.
Sorry to hear that Ron. You must not have had good attorneys. I've been successful at getting client's Rule 11 sanctions on meritless actions in Federal court. As for spending 30 grand to make 25? That's just poor judgment on your part.
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when i first bought it i didn't even read what was in it. it just gave me crazy pumps. i've tried superpump250 but like the no xplode a little better. as long as it gives me the pumps i really dont care what's in it.
too bad there is no correlation between crazy pumps and actual muscle growth
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Ha - I am laughing at this. I think I have been involved in about 6-7 suits now, and yes, a lot were baseless. Oh, even a summary judgement to dismiss takes 60 days, plus 30 days to respond and so on. Get with it.
We fought one baseless lawsuit, and won, but it cost us $30,000, and since the judge didnt think it was outrageous, didnt just go ahead and award anything. Meanwhile, the other side is based on contingency, hoping that you will settle and they get some money for lawyer fees.
Another lawsuit, we won, but it took two years to finish, and cost another $30,000 plus time, all to get $25,000.
Still another lawsuit, the file, and just hope you will settle for something, less than it would cost to go through a trail. Keep in mind, lawyer fees can range for $200-450 a hour, plus a lot more, so just defending yourself can cost 30K or more. Yes, way too many baseless lawsuits in our country.
BSN is BSN, but when even the top 'rival' supplement companies think this lawsuit isnt right, and have tested for it, then you need to think about things. Reminds me of this one study that said 20% of all supplements contains steroids! Wait... didn't that study just come out this week.
And that's why I still continue to market memberships for Pre-Paid Legal Services alongside my nutritional business. Businesses need to protect themselves from stuff like this and bodybuilders need to protect themselves as well with all the round-ups going on.
Hate to say but business has been good and not for the right reasons
Melvin Goodrum & Associates
http://www.melvingoodrum.com
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One more thing occurred to me as I re-read Ron's original post. The other supplement companies are coming to BSN's defense because they do the same thing. So, they are scared that they will be next. And scared they should be. If you sell a product and advertise that it contains certain ingredients, when in fact it does not, that is a fraud on the public for which punitive damages are available. In class action suits those will be more than enough to bankrupt the most solvent of supplement companies.
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Supplement companies have been doing this for years. If BSN falls, they all will fall right behind them.
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too bad there is no correlation between crazy pumps and actual muscle growth
I think you missed the boat on this one..
Ronnie Coleman wrote a thesis on this while he "pioneered the use of the revolutionary BSN product NO explode"