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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on December 12, 2007, 01:45:59 PM
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great video!
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down. Flex looked better than ronnie from all angles including the back. Flex was winning after 3 rounds and for some unknown reason they gave it to ronnie.
Flex is the real uncrowned MR O winner
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down. Flex looked better than ronnie from all angles including the back. Flex was winning after 3 rounds and for some unknown reason they gave it to ronnie.
Flex is the real uncrowned MR O winner
You're smoking crack... :-X
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down. Flex looked better than ronnie from all angles including the back. Flex was winning after 3 rounds and for some unknown reason they gave it to ronnie.
Flex is the real uncrowned MR O winner
your a moron.
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down. Flex looked better than ronnie from all angles including the back. Flex was winning after 3 rounds and for some unknown reason they gave it to ronnie.
Flex is the real uncrowned MR O winner
put down the crack-pipe. I was there. Ronnie PWN3D Flex mercilessly.
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Both had terrible technique compared to Dorian though...Flex had less GH gut...
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1998 Ronnie should have won but he was lucky , lucky Flex was off and lucky the judges didn't go with Flex just for being the heir apparent . at his best Flex would beat Ronnie .
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Flex shat in ronnie in 98, Ronnie never should have won his first MR O title, even when there standing relaxed next to each other at the end you can tell that flex iw clearly outclassing ronnie, and there not even flexing then. Ronnie should have won the MR O title in 03 and 04 only
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Flex shat in ronnie in 98, Ronnie never should have won his first MR O title, even when there standing relaxed next to each other at the end you can tell that flex iw clearly outclassing ronnie, and there not even flexing then. Ronnie should have won the MR O title in 03 and 04 only
You need to state some criteria, because what you've said in your last two posts show that you know nothing.
Flex was off, Ronnie was on. Flex held water like a water balloon, Ronnie was probably the driest he'd ever been. Flex=smooth glutes. Ronnie-striated glutes.
Ronnie had better definition, and his back was not only about 2 feet wider, it was more detailed than Flex's striations.
Overall, Flex could have won (should, more like it) in the posing round. But one round doesn't make up for the other 3, and the other little things that go on and can work for/against you.
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Flex shat in ronnie in 98, Ronnie never should have won his first MR O title, even when there standing relaxed next to each other at the end you can tell that flex iw clearly outclassing ronnie, and there not even flexing then. Ronnie should have won the MR O title in 03 and 04 only
You're basing this on a few minutes of video ::)
I was there. I saw every comparison. Ronnie was bigger, harder, freakier, more muscular, drier, fuller and more than held his own relative to shape & symmetry. No one who I spoke with that WAS THERE questioned Ronnie's undisputed win.
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You're basing this on a few minutes of video ::)
I was there. I saw every comparison. Ronnie was bigger, harder, freakier, more muscular, drier, fuller and more than held his own relative to shape & symmetry. No one who I spoke with that WAS THERE questioned Ronnie's undisputed win.
it wasn't undisputed it was very close Ronnie didn't win with straight firsts in fact its one of the closest Mr Olympias on record by just 3 points
and Shawn Ray was there and his take on the 98 Olympia
Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
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I don't undestand how flex could lose a competition unless he was 15 lbs overweight...His lines were ridiculous...
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Ha! Shawn was pissed because for once, the judges picked a winner based on the best physique and not on who had "paid their dues".
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in all these pictures i see flex dominating ronnie
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in all these pictures i see flex dominating ronnie
You obviously don't know shit. Wipe the cum off your bukkakee goggles...you might see better.
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Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
That completely contradicts what Shawn says in the closing moments of "The Final Countdown."
The only thing I can recall from Shawn's denouement is: "The right man won, the judges picked the right man."
This was also filmed (so said Shawn in the video) about a week after the contest, when Shawn had time to reflect and not speak out of spite.
So which is the correct one ND?
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Ha! Shawn was pissed because for once, the judges picked a winner based on the best physique and not on who had "paid their dues".
I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan but I didn't see him winning that contest , but it was very close .
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That completely contradicts what Shawn says in the closing moments of "The Final Countdown."
The only thing I can recall from Shawn's denouement is: "The right man won, the judges picked the right man."
This was also filmed (so said Shawn in the video) about a week after the contest, when Shawn had time to reflect and not speak out of spite.
So which is the correct one ND?
Well he is correct about Ronnie being incomplete and lacking in the areas but Ronnie won that show .
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You obviously don't know shit. Wipe the cum off your bukkakee goggles...you might see better.
the front double bi shot flex's arms are mcuh better than ronnie's ( ronnie is lacking triceps ), his lats can't be seen in that shot as opposed to flex's. flex's chest is shitting on ronnnie, Ronnie's chest seemd to disapear when he lifted up his arms... did you want me to go on
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I think coleman is really cool but if i had to pick a physique for myself, i'd take flex's every day of the weak.
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98 was Dillett's year. Pity he froze under pressure...
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the front double bi shot flex's arms are mcuh better than ronnie's ( ronnie is lacking triceps ), his lats can't be seen in that shot as opposed to flex's. flex's chest is shitting on ronnnie, Ronnie's chest seemd to disapear when he lifted up his arms... did you want me to go on
That's a shitty pic. Ronnie's lats/tris are covered by shadows. Also, the camera angle does not allow you to see the real size difference between the two. I forget their weights, but Ronnie had about 30 lbs over Flex and was drier. Find some pics of all of the mandatories or a clip of the posedown...
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That's a shitty pic. Ronnie's lats/tris are covered by shadows. Also, the camera angle does not allow you to see the real size difference between the two. I forget their weights, but Ronnie had about 30 lbs over Flex and was drier. Find some pics of all of the mandatories or a clip of the posedown...
i've already proven my point, if you want to continue this then you can find a pic of a video where ronnie is COVERED UP BY SHADOWS as u say, yes ronnie out weighed flex by like 40 pounds and flex is still looking bigger and better, thats saying a lot for ronnie
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the front double bi shot flex's arms are mcuh better than ronnie's ( ronnie is lacking triceps ), his lats can't be seen in that shot as opposed to flex's. flex's chest is shitting on ronnnie, Ronnie's chest seemd to disapear when he lifted up his arms... did you want me to go on
You think lacking triceps deserve a winning score over bigger/more detailed legs, wider and thicker back, bigger and more massively detailed chest, and more crispness/dryness in the entire body? ::)
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i've already proven my point,
You haven't proven anything except you're blind and are having someone read the screen for you.
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That's a shitty pic. Ronnie's lats/tris are covered by shadows. Also, the camera angle does not allow you to see the real size difference between the two. I forget their weights, but Ronnie had about 30 lbs over Flex and was drier. Find some pics of all of the mandatories or a clip of the posedown...
Ronnie was 249 pounds for that show no way was Flex 219 pounds
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the front double bi shot flex's arms are mcuh better than ronnie's ( ronnie is lacking triceps ), his lats can't be seen in that shot as opposed to flex's. flex's chest is shitting on ronnnie, Ronnie's chest seemd to disapear when he lifted up his arms... did you want me to go on
Don't forget Flex doesn't have any bitch-tits
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Don't forget to live your life a virgin.
wow that was funny ( crickets )
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You're smoking crack... :-X
I was thinking the same thing as I was reading his post. ;D
Aussiepro:
I don't care you if you were there or not...just watch the video, it shows it all, it wasn't even close!
All the people that were actually there were chanting "Ron-nie, Ron-nie" during the awards presentation....
now you put the pieces together
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You're smoking crack... :-X
Then I must be smokin' with him 'cause I feel the same way.
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its not just me there are a fair few people who feel the same way i do that ronnie shouldn't have won in 98
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Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Exactly! Thank you!
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I'm convinced that ANYONE who doesn't think Ronnie was the clear winner is either not there,
or hasn't seen the actual video! ::)
Most improved?! That's why he won, hahahahaha ;)
Yeah he improved.....he improved to a new level of size and striated freakiness that bodybuilding HAD NOT seen up until that point! ;D
If you bums ever decide to buy that video, you'll see a part during the pre judging where Ronnie and Flex are doing their mandatories...
Flex stops, takes a step back and just stares at Ronnie's back/glutes...he did this for about 10 seconds just standing there staring :-*
But I guess you guys had a better view, right? ::)
Somebody post some evening comparison photos please!
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Flex was 243 pounds in 99 to ronnies 250+ when he lost to Ronster i nearly cried and that was overtaken by anger when all the journalists said Ronster won because he was so cut in the hamstrings and glutes and Flex was smooth.
Since when was the MrO a glutes ham contest Flex did not take 1 point out of Ronster.
Ronster deserved the title in 98 but 99 the results should have reflected how good Flex looked, a very tight scoreline if that had been the case i could have accepted the descision but straight 1sts fo Ronster made me as angry as a Gorilla who had just had his banana stolen.
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Another funny thing;
Aussie talks about some of these photos, and brings up the contest in 98. Yet, of all the photos and the video Arvilla posted, they're from 99, where Flex turned his back to the audience. :-X
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I think flex won it in 98, ronnie had gyno and his mid section wasnt as tight as flex's
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in all those pics that you posted flex is beating ronnie from every angle, ronnie lacking hams claves, even from the back flex looks better
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And he takes another hit from the pipe, folks!!! ;D
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Ronnie won in 98 Fair and square.
Flex was a lazy fuck, if he trained with a quarter of the intensity of yates or coleman he would never have been touched. Same goes
for Cormier, who, I believe won the grandprix 99.
The olympia in 99 was much closer and I think the final straw for Flex....can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had been given the O in 98 or 99? Would Jay have won in 01.
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in all these pictures i see flex dominating ronnie
Haha, all 2 pictures?
The game was over when they turned around. Flex has Ronnies measure from front (more aesthetic, not pleasing) but from the back Ronnie is outstanding and in better condition.
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(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1998_05LG.jpg)
This photo is taken from an angle that favours Flex. Watch the video of the 98 olympia from straight on and you will see that Flex is very soundly defeated from back.
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in all those pics that you posted flex is beating ronnie from every angle, ronnie lacking hams claves, even from the back flex looks better
ok "aussiepro". ::)
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Man, this thread is just what I needed after a long day of work.
I needed to laugh so badly, thanks, Aussiepro.
Funniest GetBigger with vision impairment=Aussiepro.
Thanks again, man!
Seriously. ;)
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Man, this thread is just what I needed after a long day of work.
I needed to laugh so badly, thanks, Aussiepro.
Funniest GetBigger with vision impairment=Aussiepro.
Thanks again, man!
Seriously. ;)
i'm glad i made your day, but bbing isn't a sport where in there can be different winners in other people's eye's and i clearly see flex beating ronnie
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wtf
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=219999;image)
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i'm glad i made your day, but bbing isn't a sport where in there can be different winners in other people's eye's and i clearly see flex beating ronnie
You can hardly find a 'sport' more subjective than bodybuilding, let's see your list aussie homo.
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down. Flex looked better than ronnie from all angles including the back. Flex was winning after 3 rounds and for some unknown reason they gave it to ronnie.
Flex is the real uncrowned MR O winner
Oh Boy ::)
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1998 Ronnie should have won but he was lucky , lucky Flex was off and lucky the judges didn't go with Flex just for being the heir apparent . at his best Flex would beat Ronnie .
How is Ronnie "lucky" as you say? Flex was cheating on his diet and not even showing up to the gym to work out some days. That is called being a lazy bastard. It's not Ronnie's fault Flex wasn't at his best, It's Flex's fault, Plus Flex was filled with so much oil he could of given his car an oil change in the parking lot. Ronnie did everything he had to do to win the contest hands down. Flex himself even admits he knew he lost and that Ronnie was better. Give Ronnie some credit and stop showing us how biased you are by saying Ronnie was "Lucky".
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it wasn't undisputed it was very close Ronnie didn't win with straight firsts in fact its one of the closest Mr Olympias on record by just 3 points
and Shawn Ray was there and his take on the 98 Olympia
Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
Ronnie was the most improved bodybuilder and his improvements were more than enough for him to win the show.
Now what the hell is Shawn talking about Ronnie having weak hams?
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That's funny how Shawn mentioned posing. Didn't Ronnie win the posing to beat Jay in 01 after being beat in the symmetry and muscular rounds. Same thing happened to Yates in 91. Ronnie couldn't pose for shit unless it was the rear back shots or a MM.
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Flex shat in ronnie in 98, Ronnie never should have won his first MR O title, even when there standing relaxed next to each other at the end you can tell that flex iw clearly outclassing ronnie, and there not even flexing then. Ronnie should have won the MR O title in 03 and 04 only
Dude, I was there and Flex was clearly beat by Ronnie. Not to mention that the judges where also coming down hard on Flex from the major talk of Esiclene being employed heavily by him..
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Works for Ronnie but 99% of mortals would gain nothing using his form - the amount of momentum he uses and the tiny partial reps with virtually no negative ...it's shocking
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Ronnie was the most improved bodybuilder and his improvements were more than enough for him to win the show.
Now what the hell is Shawn talking about Ronnie having weak hams?
I think he's probably been to the same School of bodybuilding learning that Jay Cutler went to.
Rule 324:
If a competitor is worlds above you, choose random body parts to criticise. If you are unable to isolate any parts or you are feeling particularly cocky, say they have "structural flaws"
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How is Ronnie "lucky" as you say? Flex was cheating on his diet and not even showing up to the gym to work out some days. That is called being a lazy bastard. It's not Ronnie's fault Flex wasn't at his best, It's Flex's fault, Plus Flex was filled with so much oil he could of given his car an oil change in the parking lot. Ronnie did everything he had to do to win the contest hands down. Flex himself even admits he knew he lost and that Ronnie was better. Give Ronnie some credit and stop showing us how biased you are by saying Ronnie was "Lucky".
That was in 1999. Flex was oil free in 1998. He was smoother than Ronnie, the Flex mag pics show it. But it could have gone either way. If Flex won the O, you would not see the bloated guts of today. The bbers would have tighter waists and the physiques would have more V-taper.
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Well he is correct about Ronnie being incomplete and lacking in the areas but Ronnie won that show .
typical you picking and choosing what parts are correct to fit your needs .lol
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great video!
I wonder how Flex would have turned out, if he trained with Ronnie? I remember when he trained with Kev, he had a spark, and when he trained with Shawn, he won the Arnold Classic in 1997. Especially now, what if the two started trainer together?
Hell, I wonder what would happen if Chris Cormier trained with Ronnie, because both like to go heavy.
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Nope. While it was anyone's ballgame in the front poses Ronnie was drier than Flex in back and hamstrings. If Flex would have been tighter in those two areas he could have won because he does have a better midsection and he didn't have the trace gyno Ronnie had. Ronnie won that show.
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98 was Dillett's year. Pity he froze under pressure...
Bone dry conditioning, his posing is off however.
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biggest load of shit ever, flex should have won in 98 hands down.
I agree.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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A screenshot...the quality is not so good but you can see that they are so close...
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Wheeler had more back detail, but then again, he had more back detail than just about anyone short of Yates.
Coleman kills him on density, width, condition.
It's close because of Flex's supreme symmetry and aesthetics, especially from the front where Coleman is severely lacking. The bitch tit also ruined Coleman's front poses.
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I wonder how Flex's back would have looked if he did heavy bb rows, dlifts, t-bar rows.......
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I wonder how Flex's back would have looked if he did heavy bb rows, dlifts, t-bar rows.......
Flex had the genetics to be the greatest BB ever. At 5'10" and 260lbs Flex would have presented a package likely never to be seen again.
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Bone dry conditioning, his posing is off however.
I didn't know props were used in 98
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Flex had the genetics to be the greatest BB ever. At 5'10" and 260lbs Flex would have presented a package likely never to be seen again.
He would never weight that much because his bones are too small.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He would never weight that much because his bones are too small.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It's impossible to predict how much weight he could have held. Coleman had a relatively small bone structure and held 285lbs.
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Levrone should have been 2'nd!
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Ronnie die have some nasty gyno though; how embarassing... :-\
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It's impossible to predict how much weight he could have held. Coleman had a relatively small bone structure and held 285lbs.
Coleman's bone structure is much bigger than Wheeler's. It's not even in the same ball park. Look at Ronnie's clavicle width and ankle/wrist thickness then compare it to Wheeler's and you'll see that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How is Ronnie "lucky" as you say? Flex was cheating on his diet and not even showing up to the gym to work out some days. That is called being a lazy bastard. It's not Ronnie's fault Flex wasn't at his best, It's Flex's fault, Plus Flex was filled with so much oil he could of given his car an oil change in the parking lot. Ronnie did everything he had to do to win the contest hands down. Flex himself even admits he knew he lost and that Ronnie was better. Give Ronnie some credit and stop showing us how biased you are by saying Ronnie was "Lucky".
LOL I see ND being owned on yet ANOTHER thread LOL
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Ronnie was the most improved bodybuilder and his improvements were more than enough for him to win the show.
Now what the hell is Shawn talking about Ronnie having weak hams?
he is just bitter that ronnie's hams blow his out of the water.. :-\
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Coleman's bone structure is much bigger than Wheeler's. It's not even in the same ball park. Look at Ronnie's clavicle width and ankle/wrist thickness then compare it to Wheeler's and you'll see that.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yweah, Wheeler's wrists, knees and ankles were very small. ANd a 260 pound wheeler wouldn't look right. He have a wider waist and a gut. Check him on his Mass construction vid, that was shot after the 1996 O. He's having trouble holding his gut in. 230+ was his max, even if he went heavy on the barbell rows and deadlifted, he'd might have a wider thick back, but it would have thicken his waist as well.
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How is Ronnie "lucky" as you say? Flex was cheating on his diet and not even showing up to the gym to work out some days. That is called being a lazy bastard. It's not Ronnie's fault Flex wasn't at his best, It's Flex's fault, Plus Flex was filled with so much oil he could of given his car an oil change in the parking lot. Ronnie did everything he had to do to win the contest hands down. Flex himself even admits he knew he lost and that Ronnie was better. Give Ronnie some credit and stop showing us how biased you are by saying Ronnie was "Lucky".
I explained how it was lucky , lucky they didn't go with Flex because of his name and because of the fact he was the hair apparent to the throne and lucky Flex was off because a spot-on Flex would beat Ronnie
And MORON did you miss the part where I said Ronnie won ? he got credit you idiot . did you even see what I typed? and you don't think Ronnie has anything in those calves? ::) between the two in 1998 Ronnie was the better man , but believe me he was lucky , it was still one of the closest Mr Olympias on record Ronnie won by just 3 points , so when all things are considered IDIOT Ronnie was lucky for many reasons .
did that answer your question? ;)
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ND, this is why everyone says you are so fucking stupid and unintelligent.
yes, ronnie won. we all know that.
that does not change the fact that you try and downplay his physique by claiming how 'lucky' he was even though there is NO VISUAL EVIDENCE to support him being "lucky" at all..
he crushed flex from every angle and we can all see that.
just because you acknowledge that he won does not mean that your stupid claims about how 'lucky' are not happening.
fucking idiot.
god damn you are so stupid.. :-\
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ND, this is why everyone says you are so fucking stupid and unintelligent.
yes, ronnie won. we all know that.
that does not change the fact that you try and downplay his physique by claiming how 'lucky' he was even though there is NO VISUAL EVIDENCE to support him being "lucky" at all..
he crushed flex from every angle and we can all see that.
just because you acknowledge that he won does not mean that your stupid claims about how 'lucky' are not happening.
fucking idiot.
god damn you are so stupid.. :-\
You're the idiot who was kissing my ass telling me how intelligent I am lol and now you're tired of getting owned and have to revert lol
Moron pay attention , Ronnie was the winner , but he was LUCKY get this through your head he lucky for many reasons , lucky Flex was such a lazy fuck , lucky the judges didn't just go with Ronnie on name and the fact that he was the heir apparent , lucky the judges were fair and stop acting like Ronnie blew Flex out of the water and the contest was no contest because it was very close
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how is flex better than levrone in that competition?
Levrone blows him out of the water imo
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You're the idiot who was kissing my ass telling me how intelligent I am lol and now you're tired of getting owned and have to revert lol
Moron pay attention , Ronnie was the winner , but he was LUCKY get this through your head he lucky for many reasons , lucky Flex was such a lazy fuck , lucky the judges didn't just go with Ronnie on name and the fact that he was the heir apparent , lucky the judges were fair and stop acting like Ronnie blew Flex out of the water and the contest was no contest because it was very close
jesus how come your so stupid, dorian is lucky dillet never trained hard, lucky that flex never either, lucky that shawn ray wasnt taller, lucky that the judges gave him gifts ::)
i see ronnie winning the back shots, the mm, the side chest and the front double bi
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hahah, how can anybody say Kenneth beat Ronnie in 98?
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jesus how come your so stupid, dorian is lucky dillet never trained hard, lucky that flex never either, lucky that shawn ray wasnt taller, lucky that the judges gave him gifts ::)
i see ronnie winning the back shots, the mm, the side chest and the front double bi
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(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/6441-5/1998-mr-olympia-232.jpg?)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/6437-4/1998-mr-olympia-231.jpg?)
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Ronnie was severely owned from the front in 99 because he hadn't yet achieved the size necessary to overcome his structural and aesthetic flaws.
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You're the idiot who was kissing my ass telling me how intelligent I am lol and now you're tired of getting owned and have to revert lol
Moron pay attention , Ronnie was the winner , but he was LUCKY get this through your head he lucky for many reasons , lucky Flex was such a lazy fuck , lucky the judges didn't just go with Ronnie on name and the fact that he was the heir apparent , lucky the judges were fair and stop acting like Ronnie blew Flex out of the water and the contest was no contest because it was very close
show me where I ever said you were intelligent dumbass.
go ahead.
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stop acting like Ronnie blew Flex out of the water
in case you were blindfolded looking at this thread, he did and everyone but the delusional dorian nuthuggers agree..
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I read a report recently.
It basically said that Ronnie got better and better as the contest
went along. I need to save these reviews when I find them.
Anyway, Here are some quotes from that contest...
The audience genuinely freaked however, when it was Ronnie Coleman's turn to take the stage. He had the biggest back in the show, even bigger than Sonbaty. He was totally ripped and symmetrical, striated and simply beautiful to look at.
Lori Victoria Braun
His senses were reeling, battling to come to terms with the scene unfolding around him. He stood next to precontest favorite Flex Wheeler at the top of the ramp erected at The Theater at New York's Madison Square Gardens, gazing out over the seething maelstrom of a sellout crowd of 5,600. They were in an uproar as a chant of "RON-NIE! RON-NIE!" filled the auditorium, as it had throughout the day.
Peter McGough
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stop acting like Ronnie blew Flex out of the water
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stop burying your head in the sand about how much better Ronnie was than Flex that year:
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if you honestly can look at the stuff and this thread and still insist that it was a 'lucky' win, then you are hopeless and have no clue how to evaluate physiques properly..oh wait, we already know that.. :-\
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look at how badly Ronnie is owing flex from the front AND back and ND has the audacity to say it was a "lucky" win..
lol
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I think he's probably been to the same School of bodybuilding learning that Jay Cutler went to.
Rule 324:
If a competitor is worlds above you, choose random body parts to criticise. If you are unable to isolate any parts or you are feeling particularly cocky, say they have "structural flaws"
lol.
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I explained how it was lucky , lucky they didn't go with Flex because of his name and because of the fact he was the hair apparent to the throne and lucky Flex was off because a spot-on Flex would beat Ronnie
And MORON did you miss the part where I said Ronnie won ? he got credit you idiot . did you even see what I typed? and you don't think Ronnie has anything in those calves? ::) between the two in 1998 Ronnie was the better man , but believe me he was lucky , it was still one of the closest Mr Olympias on record Ronnie won by just 3 points , so when all things are considered IDIOT Ronnie was lucky for many reasons .
did that answer your question? ;)
Actually, it didn't answer shit. You still say he was lucky. Look around, you and your goons are the only ones using the word "Lucky". Grow up and stop being an idiot.
You're always saying if this and if that. The fact is Flex wasn't. It's like me saying if Flex was 30 pounds heavier he would of beat yates, but Flex wasn't. Now that wasn't so hard was it.
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look at how badly Ronnie is owing flex from the front AND back and ND has the audacity to say it was a "lucky" win..
lol
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I understand what ND was trying to say, but I don't think "lucky" is the best word.
Since Flex was the 'Heir Apparent', if he had shown up in his Arnold Classic 1993 form, the judgeswould have given him the title.
Ronnie earned it, kicked every ass onstage that day, but in a sense he was "lucke" that Flex was 'off' enough that the judges couldn't 'give' him the title.
Geez, I hope I used enough of "these" to keep from getting flamed! ;D
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Flex's back is harder and more detailed than Coleman in this shot. Coleman's only saving grace is the back width. What's up with the giant glutes as big as his back? :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=220117;image)
I won't even go into the front double biceps. Coleman is being murdered there by both Flex and Nasser.
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I understand what ND was trying to say, but I don't think "lucky" is the best word.
Since Flex was the 'Heir Apparent', if he had shown up in his Arnold Classic 1993 form, the judgeswould have given him the title.
Ronnie earned it, kicked every ass onstage that day, but in a sense he was "lucke" that Flex was 'off' enough that the judges couldn't 'give' him the title.
Geez, I hope I used enough of "these" to keep from getting flamed! ;D
problem is, that is not what the biased idiot is saying.
you are saying that Ronnie is lucky that Flex was off because if he was ON the judges would have awarded him the title even if the out of nowhere Ronnie was better. In otherwords, had flex been ON, politics would have given him the title no matter what.
that is NOT what ND is saying.
ND is saying that Ronnie was lucky based on how he compared to flex on that day, which is stupid because we can all see that Ronnie is owing flex from every angle. Flex was softer everwhere except for the quads, and had massive oil in his arms and delts. his back was thin and narrow compared to Ronnie's among a million other things.
Ronnie was NOT "lucky" to have beaten flex as he appeared onstage that day. He crushed him and won the title deservedly so.
that is totally different than ND saying he was lucky to win because they were so close.
they were not that close and we can all see it.
the ONLY people saying otherwise are ND and the haters ( eg. Probecito aka England) from the truce thread
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Flex's back is harder and more detailed than Coleman in this shot. Coleman's only saving grace is the back width. What's up with the giant glutes as big as his back? :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=220117;image)
I won't even go into the front double biceps. Coleman is being murdered there by both Flex and Nasser.
sure Pubes.. ::)
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problem is, that is not what the biased idiot is saying.
you are saying that Ronnie is lucky that Flex was off because if he was ON the judges would have awarded him the title even if the out of nowhere Ronnie was better. In otherwords, had flex been ON, politics would have given him the title no matter what.
that is NOT what ND is saying.
ND is saying that Ronnie was lucky based on how he compared to flex on that day, which is stupid because we can all see that Ronnie is owing flex from every angle. Flex was softer everwhere except for the quads, and had massive oil in his arms and delts. his back was thin and narrow compared to Ronnie's among a million other things.
Okay, guess I'm just reading him differently.
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sure Pubes.. ::)
Coleman's an afterthought in this shot. You are truly delusional if you think he is beating Flex or Nasser here. Coleman is UGLY
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=220118;image)
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in all those pics that you posted flex is beating ronnie from every angle, ronnie lacking hams claves, even from the back flex looks better
You truly believe that to be a true statement when considering the pic posted of the side chest pose?
Mike
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You truly believe that to be a true statement when considering the pic posted of the side chest pose?
Mike
you are finding out quick that none of these idiots even CARE what the pics show.
they just put down ronnie every post they can. ::)
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Coleman's an afterthought in this shot. You are truly delusional if you think he is beating Flex or Nasser here. Coleman is UGLY
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=220118;image)
England-1:
All three entrants in this photo look superb.
However, in this 'front double biceps' shot, although the entire physique is considered in the judging process, Ronnie Coleman's actual biceps muscles appear to far out shine Nasser's and Flex's.
Just look at the sharpness, and, most particularly, the PEAKS and SPLITS in Coleman's biceps.
Among the best ever along with Robby Robinson, Al Beckles, and maybe a few, select others.
Best,
Mike
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although the entire physique is considered in the judging process
Yes, yes it is. And Coleman is being owned badly.
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i think in 98 flex had it. his physique was flawless that year. round hard muscle bellies, symetry and shredded. coleman was wider in the back and hard but nobody should be a mr o and have gyno. 99 i think coleman def edged flex out with hardness flex was too watery and hardness dissappeared.
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Yes, yes it is. And Coleman is being owned badly.
Getting owned my ass. Ronnie is way more conditioned and detailed than Flex and Nasser. Oh and he's the one standing more far away from the camera.
Regarding the 3 points of margin, he got simply overlooked in the first round. It was not so close between him and Flex (where is his lower back? hams? what about water retention?).
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Getting owned my ass. Ronnie is way more conditioned and detailed than Flex and Nasser. Oh and he's the one standing more far away from the camera.
Regarding the 3 points of margin, he got simply overlooked in the first round. It was not so close between him and Flex (where is his lower back? hams? what about water retention?).
Do you think Coleman standing closer to the camera would change the fact that he has alien abs, GYNO, pancake flat chest, turnip quads, and twig calves? Coleman didn't have the size the overcome all these flaws at this point in his career. Both Flex and Nasser are easily beating Coleman in that comparison.
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Yes, yes it is. And Coleman is being owned badly.
Forgive me (maybe I am getting old!)...what is "getting owned" mean?
Mike
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jesus how come your so stupid, dorian is lucky dillet never trained hard, lucky that flex never either, lucky that shawn ray wasnt taller, lucky that the judges gave him gifts ::)
i see ronnie winning the back shots, the mm, the side chest and the front double bi
piss poor analogy the big difference is Shawn Ray , Paul Dillett , and Flex Wheeler NEVER beat Dorian Yates , thats the difference Flex Wheeler is a man who routinely beat Ronnie Coleman when he was right on the money , thanks for playing though.
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show me where I ever said you were intelligent dumbass.
go ahead.
You know I wouldn't claim if it wasn't true lol don't make me own you even more lol ;)
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(http://www.jeanclaudevandamme.be/photos/jc11.jpg)
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in case you were blindfolded looking at this thread, he did and everyone but the delusional dorian nuthuggers agree..
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Wow I guess it means it so ::) argument ad populum , Oh and the judges scorecard says otherwise , stop acting like Flex Wheeler is some pushover who couldn't beat Ronnie , Flex is the better of the two and when he's in shape he could beat Ronnie with ease.
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(http://www.jeanclaudevandamme.be/photos/divers41.jpg)
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Actually, it didn't answer shit. You still say he was lucky. Look around, you and your goons are the only ones using the word "Lucky". Grow up and stop being an idiot.
You're always saying if this and if that. The fact is Flex wasn't. It's like me saying if Flex was 30 pounds heavier he would of beat yates, but Flex wasn't. Now that wasn't so hard was it.
you people are as simple as they come , Ronnie Coleman was LUCKY in 1998 for many reasons but pay attention I always maintained he won the show but make no mistake he was lucky and it was close .
I love highly sensitive Coleman fans who get all in a tiff when you present the facts to them lol
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Coleman's an afterthought in this shot. You are truly delusional if you think he is beating Flex or Nasser here. Coleman is UGLY
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189043.0;attach=220118;image)
this is no pretty boy game,,,,Flex looks too soft in ther and Nassers bis are full of oil
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problem is, that is not what the biased idiot is saying.
you are saying that Ronnie is lucky that Flex was off because if he was ON the judges would have awarded him the title even if the out of nowhere Ronnie was better. In otherwords, had flex been ON, politics would have given him the title no matter what.
that is NOT what ND is saying.
ND is saying that Ronnie was lucky based on how he compared to flex on that day, which is stupid because we can all see that Ronnie is owing flex from every angle. Flex was softer everwhere except for the quads, and had massive oil in his arms and delts. his back was thin and narrow compared to Ronnie's among a million other things.
Ronnie was NOT "lucky" to have beaten flex as he appeared onstage that day. He crushed him and won the title deservedly so.
that is totally different than ND saying he was lucky to win because they were so close.
they were not that close and we can all see it.
the ONLY people saying otherwise are ND and the haters ( eg. Probecito aka England) from the truce thread
I love when you get so emotional when people state the facts about Ronnie lol you take this shit WAY tom seriously and don't presume to speak for me Ronnie was lucky for MANY reasons in 1998
lucky Flex was off from his best and lucky he was at his best
lucky the judged didn't just hand Flex the win based on his name and the fact he was the heir apparent
lucky the judges didn't mark him down for having bitch tits
again who do you think you're dealing with? Flex Wheeler is a man who routinely beat Ronnie and Ronnie did the same ( usually when Flex was off condition wise ) and spare me the oil comments because Ronnie's calves aren't 100% natural kid and he has bitch tits to boot. Ronnie didn't dominate that show for your information he won by just 3 points that is one of the closest Mr Olympia's contests on record and now use your head , no wait don't you're sensibilities leave a lot to be desired , if Ronnie at his best Olympia showing ( self admitted ;) ) could just barely beat an off Flex Wheeler , what would a spot-on Flex Wheeler have done? he would have crushed Ronnie , make no mistake Flex is the better of the two despite all of what you think is ' flaws ' Flex beat Ronnie 8 times with a narrower back , with glutes & hams ' softer ' than Ronnie , Ronnie was lucky .
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(http://www.jeanclaudevandamme.be/photos/vayriot16.jpg)
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was dorian ever "lucky"
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You know I wouldn't claim if it wasn't true lol don't make me own you even more lol ;)
oh yes you would.
I am waiting idiot.
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oh yes you would.
I am waiting idiot.
Hulkster going in for more hahahaha
(http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/images/111801/knockout.jpg)
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was dorian ever "lucky"
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only during the years 94, 95, 96 and 97 lol
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98 was Dillett's year. Pity he froze under pressure...
is there a video somewhere of this?
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oh yes you would.
I am waiting idiot.
owned ;)
hey visit this cool website lmfao http://hulkster.justgotowned.com/
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hahahahaha OWNED
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was dorian ever "lucky"
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on paper no , in reality yes .
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hahahahaha OWNED
You knew it was coming lol he asked for it , I tried to spare him because he does get owned so many times by me , you , sucky lol the list goes on.
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on paper no , in reality yes .
and does this hold true for coleman as well?
on paper no.. in reality yes?
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Do you think Coleman standing closer to the camera would change the fact that he has alien abs, GYNO, pancake flat chest, turnip quads, and twig calves? Coleman didn't have the size the overcome all these flaws at this point in his career. Both Flex and Nasser are easily beating Coleman in that comparison.
You must be kidding right? Ronnie had one of the best pecs of the show and great quad separation. His abs were never the best but were not bad at all in 98.
About calves... yes Nasser's were much better but Flex had implants and/or oil so I would never compare him with Ronnie on that department.
Bottom line is that you don't win the Olympia without a thick and wide back (Franco, Arnold, Samir, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, Jay, they all have a great back). Nasser had width but no thickness in his back, Flex lacked both.
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put down the crack-pipe. I was there. Ronnie PWN3D Flex mercilessly.
I had insane seats from my wife's company. Literally 30 feet from the stage,dead center. Ronnie fucking killed Flex, and Flex knew it. He was hitting his shots so hard I thought he was going to pop something, trying to flex muscle he didn't have, and Ronnie did.
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hahahahaha OWNED
Forgive me, but I must inquire just once more:
What does it mean when you fellows state that one is "Owned"?[/b]
Is that code or slang for something else?
Thanks from an older dude (out of the 'in the know' crowd!).
Mike
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That was in 1999. Flex was oil free in 1998.
The pic below, was taken at the 97 Ironman I think. The shoulders aren't exactly oil free....they're practically bigger than his head!
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Flex_Wheeler/Flex_Wheeler_021.jpg)
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Forgive me, but I must inquire just once more:
What does it mean when you fellows state that one is "Owned"?[/b]
Is that code or slang for something else?
Thanks from an older dude (out of the 'in the know' crowd!).
Mike
old man meltdown
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Yes ronnie did win the 98 MR O but he never should have, Ronnie was lacking a chest and could not pose to save his life.... he was much better than 97 but was not good enough to win the whole thing..
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The pic below, was taken at the 97 Ironman I think. The shoulders aren't exactly oil free....they're practically bigger than his head!
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Flex_Wheeler/Flex_Wheeler_021.jpg)
He was hitting up the Escilene. Synthol wasn't invented until 1996. His delts actually look "normal" there. But if you see his 1999 delts and his delts from the 2000 Arnold, they look like bee stings, huge and swollen. That is when Flex started to do it. Because he knew he couldn't out muscle Ronnie. Flex in the mid 90's was cleaning up contests, so he didn't have to resort to synthol. But with Ronnie he met a brick wall. Also the fact that it was his own fault that he lost in 1998, if only he took his dieting seriously.
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Yes ronnie did win the 98 MR O but he never should have, Ronnie was lacking a chest and could not pose to save his life.... he was much better than 97 but was not good enough to win the whole thing..
LACKING A CHEST?
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i think flex should have won as well. Ronnie still looked great and was at his all time best in my opinion. His gut now is disgusting. Flex is the best there has ever been.