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Many of you may know that Franco would often blow up and explode hot water bottles to entertain crowds.
One year, while perfromning at Mountain Park (Ed Jubinville's affair) in Holyoke, Mass., a friend of minbe who has been a traiuner for m any years and was at this event accidently walked in on Franco in hbis dressing room as he was 'preparing' for his act.
My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out, and was carefully sanding down a small spot with a piece of sanding paper.
"Insurance", Franco said to my friend as he walked out from whence he came.
Guess that's how those things would pop so easily.
Mike
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Many of you may know that Franco would often blow up and explode hot water bottles to entertain crowds.
One year, while perfromning at Mountain Park (Ed Jubinville's affair) in Holyoke, Mass., a friend of minbe who has been a traiuner for m any years and was at this event accidently walked in on Franco in hbis dressing room as he was 'preparing' for his act.
My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out, and was carefully sanding down a small spot with a piece of sanding paper.
"Insurance", Franco said to my friend as he walked out from whence he came.
Guess that's how those things would pop so easily.
Mike
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Now that is a good story. I have no idea how you would invert a hot waterbottle as the neck is so small and thick, but great story anyway.
/not hatin'
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Many of you may know that Franco would often blow up and explode hot water bottles to entertain crowds.
One year, while perfromning at Mountain Park (Ed Jubinville's affair) in Holyoke, Mass., a friend of minbe who has been a traiuner for m any years and was at this event accidently walked in on Franco in hbis dressing room as he was 'preparing' for his act.
My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out, and was carefully sanding down a small spot with a piece of sanding paper.
"Insurance", Franco said to my friend as he walked out from whence he came.
Guess that's how those things would pop so easily.
Mike
I used to blow up hot water bottles at events. I used the thickest and highest grade water bottle cause it was much more impressive cause of how big it got. Franco used the easier thinner model. One time at a show the people bought a cheap one. I didn't even notice and started to blow it up. It pop so quickly maybe after 15 or so breathes that it surprised me and slapped me in the ears. Also, I never heard about the sanding of the bottle (plus I don't think you can turn one inside out. That woudl be pretty impossible) but i did hear he would pinch the bottle or even dig his fingernail into it.
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I used to blow up hot water bottles at events. I used the thickest and highest grade water bottle cause it was much more impressive cause of how big it got. Franco used the easier thinner model. One time at a show the people bought a cheap one. I didn't even notice and started to blow it up. It pop so quickly maybe after 15 or so breathes that it surprised me and slapped me in the ears. Also, I never heard about the sanding of the bottle (plus I don't think you can turn one inside out. That woudl be pretty impossible) but i did hear he would pinch the bottle or even dig his fingernail into it.
Are you saying you are a champion when it comes to blowing, Onlymen? ;D
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My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out,
Did your friend also tell you how to get the toothpaste inside the tube again after it's been squeezed out?
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Many of you may know that Franco would often blow up and explode hot water bottles to entertain crowds.
One year, while perfromning at Mountain Park (Ed Jubinville's affair) in Holyoke, Mass., a friend of minbe who has been a traiuner for m any years and was at this event accidently walked in on Franco in hbis dressing room as he was 'preparing' for his act.
My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out, and was carefully sanding down a small spot with a piece of sanding paper.
"Insurance", Franco said to my friend as he walked out from whence he came.
Guess that's how those things would pop so easily.
Mike
Shocking news. And what about that car he parked out with his hands in Pumping Iron?!! Was there engine in it?!
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Now that is a good story. I have no idea how you would invert a hot waterbottle as the neck is so small and thick, but great story anyway.
/not hatin'
Yeah...seems hard...but that's what he told me!
Mike
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I used to blow up hot water bottles at events. I used the thickest and highest grade water bottle cause it was much more impressive cause of how big it got. Franco used the easier thinner model. One time at a show the people bought a cheap one. I didn't even notice and started to blow it up. It pop so quickly maybe after 15 or so breathes that it surprised me and slapped me in the ears. Also, I never heard about the sanding of the bottle (plus I don't think you can turn one inside out. That woudl be pretty impossible) but i did hear he would pinch the bottle or even dig his fingernail into it.
Hey Only. Good to hear from you.
Maybe he didn't invert it...does seem hard. He did say that a piece of sandpaper was involved...and that ensuing shenanigans made the feat less impressive than it seemed on Franco's part. Given his lung capacity, I don't see why he'd have to do that.
Mike
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Did your friend also tell you how to get the toothpaste inside the tube again after it's been squeezed out?
No, he has dentures. :-X
Mike
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Shocking news. And what about that car he parked out with his hands in Pumping Iron?!! Was there engine in it?!
Probably a 4 cylinder.
Mike
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No, he has dentures. :-X
Mike
I don't think you got the point, but never mind
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I don't think you got the point, but never mind
Yes, I got your 'point', but I really am not smitten to sarcasm.
I find it a waste of time and am really interested in exchanging interesting and helpful info amongst you and others in this forum.
Mike
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Rich Gaspari did it too and I believe his biggest concern was accidentally inhaling all the air in the balloon which could in turn collapse his lungs.
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Rich Gaspari did it too and I believe his biggest concern was accidentally inhaling all the air in the balloon which could in turn collapse his lungs.
Hmmm...never thought of that...guess that could happen.
Mike
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Rich Gaspari did it too and I believe his biggest concern was accidentally inhaling all the air in the balloon which could in turn collapse his lungs.
Actually I have heard 3 people have died because of this. The pressure is so high that in between blows if you don't cover the hole with your tongue and inhale through you nose then the pressure can actually blow up your lungs. The hardest part I always found wasn't so much the blowing it up as holding the water bottle against your mouth so it doesn't leak. I have never not blown it up in front of an audience. I have a video of me at a celebrity softball game I was playing in Honolulu and at the beginning of the game they asked me to pop one. So I handed my camera to my friend Carolyn Sapp and she recorded me. You can hear a little air escaping but I hung in there and did it. I remember at the Grand Opening of Golds in Honolulu I had Lee Haney try it and he almost passed out just trying to get it going.
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Actually I have heard 3 people have died because of this. The pressure is so high that in between blows if you don't cover the hole with your tongue and inhale through you nose then the pressure can actually blow up your lungs. The hardest part I always found wasn't so much the blowing it up as holding the water bottle against your mouth so it doesn't leak. I have never not blown it up in front of an audience. I have a video of me at a celebrity softball game I was playing in Honolulu and at the beginning of the game they asked me to pop one. So I handed my camera to my friend Carolyn Sapp and she recorded me. You can hear a little air escaping but I hung in there and did it. I remember at the Grand Opening of Golds in Honolulu I had Lee Haney try it and he almost passed out just trying to get it going.
Wow, yeah...that's seems almost impossible.
Mike
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This story reminds me of the one about Franco using a fake diploma.
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This story reminds me of the one about Franco using a fake diploma.
That would be a mail-order Phd he got in nutrition, I am fairly certain.
Mike
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Are you saying you are a champion when it comes to blowing, Onlymen? ;D
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hahahahahaha he wont recover ;D
bench
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db2431, good job on that last shop.. ;)
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That shop is truely fucked up
ROFL
The Beef
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lol damn funny ps.
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I find it a waste of time and am really interested in exchanging interesting and helpful info amongst you and others in this forum.
Gayer than asking a guy to remove his dentures before he blows you
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LMFAO! Are you saying that if we are talking playing the slobber blues on some guy's skin flute, then Onlymen's lip talent would be unmatched, db?
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Gayer than asking a guy to remove his dentures before he blows you
LMFAO! Are you saying that if we are talking playing the slobber blues on some guy's skin flute, then Onlymen's lip talent would be unmatched, db?
No, I am not saying anything.
Mike
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so franco turned it inside out... but then you say ur friend didn't specify that detail, after onlyme said that it's nearly impossible to turn a waterbottle inside out. story seems very innacurate.
hope this helps.
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so franco turned it inside out... but then you say ur friend didn't specify that detail, after onlyme said that it's nearly impossible to turn a waterbottle inside out. story seems very innacurate.
hope this helps.
Listen (maybe this is just the morphine talking), Mr. "Hope This Helps"...I heard this story years ago.
The gist was that Franco was trying to get an edge. I don't know how. Sandpaper somehow.
He was one of the strongest ever.
I am certain he could kick my ass (although I hear I am a better chiropractor than he is)
Inside out. Outside in.
Grow the fuck up. (And this is the strongest language I have used here..I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
Mike
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it seems like ur trying to defame every bber besides mike katz with these 'stories.'
from robby robinson, to franco, to tom platz. who's next? arnold, sergio, draper? reg park?
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it seems like ur trying to defame every bber besides mike katz with these 'stories.'
from robby robinson
On the bb end, Robby was my chyildhood idol. He screwed the shit out of me in business.
, to franco
Only one aspect of Franco...his purported cheating at blowing up hot water bottles...other wise, one of the legends whom I respect
, to tom platz
Platz really truly made a royal ass out of himself-you had to be there...otherwise one of the hardest and most dedicated trainers ever.
. who's next? arnold
Plenty of pros and cons on Arnold...NONE of us will ever eclipse his achievements
, sergio
Don't know much about Sergio
, draper
Draper I am friendly with and occasionally correspond with...he'd probably do so with you, too
? reg park
Never interacted with him.
If my postings are too tawdry for you, just don't read them. I thought they were fun and interesting...better than all the
"Ownings"
"Brutals"
"Epics"
""Hope This Helps"
Sissy stuff I see on here.
Those who speak this way...well...mayube you should not have quit school in the 8th grade.
And I speaking with mostly 14 year olds? Really?
Mike
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i appreciate stories of old. i love hearing about the muscle beach crowd of the late 60's/70's and many aspects of bbing before and after those times. just found it odd that u choose to base the topic of ur 3 ramblings about franco, robby and tom in a somewhat defamatory way. but no one's perfect, so maybe those things did happen. i dont want to sound like a disgruntled starry-eyed fan, so don't let me stop ur stories, whatever they may be about.
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i appreciate stories of old. i love hearing about the muscle beach crowd of the late 60's/70's and many aspects of bbing before and after those times. just found it odd that u choose to base the topic of ur 3 ramblings about franco, robby and tom in a somewhat defamatory way. but no one's perfect, so maybe those things did happen. i dont want to sound like a disgruntled starry-eyed fan, so don't let me stop ur stories, whatever they may be about.
Thganks.
I can also post good stories of them as well...
Mike
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Chiropractors are fucking scam artist. What a shit profession.
Hmmm...seems I have heard tghat before. And what do you do for a profession where you help others, 'Xerxes"?
Mike
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If my postings are too tawdry for you, just don't read them. I thought they were fun and interesting...better than all the
"Ownings"
"Brutals"
"Epics"
""Hope This Helps"
Sissy stuff I see on here.
Those who speak this way...well...mayube you should not have quit school in the 8th grade.
And I speaking with mostly 14 year olds? Really?
Mike
(Insert meltdown photo) ;D
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That was an epic, brutal owning!
Hope this helps. :)
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(Insert meltdown photo) ;D
Waht does one mean by "meltdown"?
Mike
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That was an epic, brutal owning!
Hope this helps. :)
Which do you speak of, Mr. VIP?
Mike
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Did your friend also tell you how to get the toothpaste inside the tube again after it's been squeezed out?
Yes, that's another one of Franco's great tricks
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We were once doing a benefit for St. Judes children . I was sitting wit Bill Kazmier and he said " Watch when Franco puts his hand on th efront of the bag" The bag got real big and when franco's hand went on the bag ,it exploded !!! Kaz said Franco wore a ring with a small razor blade . I still have the bag in my gym .
Also we were all eating in the hotel ( kaz, Kevin Leverone, Linda Murry, Mike Mattarazo, and Gregg Valentino . It was below zero that night and the limo came early. Franco jumped in and took the limo stranding us there. You should have seen us all trying to fit in Gregg's SUV.
One more thing . The night before we had a dinner ,National mixed pair winners Tony Best and his wife Maro were taking a picture with Franco and he was grabbing her butt.
Well thank God Maro never told Tony (has black belts in 3 different style) Macho Franco would have been in deep shit.
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We were once doing a benefit for St. Judes children . I was sitting wit Bill Kazmier and he said " Watch when Franco puts his hand on th efront of the bag" The bag got real big and when franco's hand went on the bag ,it exploded !!! Kaz said Franco wore a ring with a small razor blade . I still have the bag in my gym .
Also we were all eating in the hotel ( kaz, Kevin Leverone, Linda Murry, Mike Mattarazo, and Gregg Valentino . It was below zero that night and the limo came early. Franco jumped in and took the limo stranding us there. You should have seen us all trying to fit in Gregg's SUV.
One more thing . The night before we had a dinner ,National mixed pair winners Tony Best and his wife Maro were taking a picture with Franco and he was grabbing her butt.
Well thank God Maro never told Tony (has black belts in 3 different style) Macho Franco would have been in deep shit.
Thanks for the back-up, Bob.
We were at the Arnold 4 yrs ago...Franco was so drunk in an elevator he could not stand up and we left him there.
Joe leonetti, 1980 USA LTWT champ, won the show and approached franco.
"Hi Franco, I am like you..I am from Italy...I want to be like you..."...you know trying to bond with Franco.
Franco said..."Fuck that, you will never make it..." I was 17 and standing right there.
That's when I thought..."gee...I should sort of be ashamed to be italian.
But I have also heard that sharp ring example with the water bottle.
mike
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We were once doing a benefit for St. Judes children . I was sitting wit Bill Kazmier and he said " Watch when Franco puts his hand on th efront of the bag" The bag got real big and when franco's hand went on the bag ,it exploded !!! Kaz said Franco wore a ring with a small razor blade . I still have the bag in my gym .
Also we were all eating in the hotel ( kaz, Kevin Leverone, Linda Murry, Mike Mattarazo, and Gregg Valentino . It was below zero that night and the limo came early. Franco jumped in and took the limo stranding us there. You should have seen us all trying to fit in Gregg's SUV.
One more thing . The night before we had a dinner ,National mixed pair winners Tony Best and his wife Maro were taking a picture with Franco and he was grabbing her butt.
Well thank God Maro never told Tony (has black belts in 3 different style) Macho Franco would have been in deep shit.
I actually heard this one about the razor too, but didn't want to put it in case I was wrong. I guess not.
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Hey, But Only...I am here to "Take Down" all the legends of bodybuilding :)
So you needn't worry
Mike
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Hey, But Only...I am here to "Take Down" all the legends of bodybuilding :)
So you needn't worry
Mike
Why try to take down the "legends of bodybuilding".. maybe you should take up other interests?
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Why try to take down the "legends of bodybuilding".. maybe you should take up other interests?
agreed
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agreed
I was being sarcastic...something I thought the denizens of this board would luxuriate in.
Mike
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Yes, I got your 'point', but I really am not smitten to sarcasm.
I find it a waste of time and am really interested in exchanging interesting and helpful info amongst you and others in this forum.
Mike
HAHAHAHA Then you are on the wrong board!! :D
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HAHAHAHA Then you are on the wrong board!! :D
I guess you are correct.
Mike
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Hey, But Only...I am here to "Take Down" all the legends of bodybuilding :)
So you needn't worry
Mike
Why don't you tell us something embarrassing that happened to you? You've obviously had your fair share, since you are bitter enough and seem intent on tearing down 'all the legends of bodybuilding'
BTW as a troll, I fully realize the irony of me pointing this out ;D
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BTW as a troll, I fully realize the irony of me pointing this out ;D
You are no troll Kiwi, you are Maximus Kiwius Meridius, moderator of the V or the north, ex-secretary of the mighty squad, loyal servant to the true emperor, Squadfather Aurelius, father to a murdered board, husband to the beast, and you will have your vengeance in this life or the next!
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You are no troll Kiwi, you are Maximus Kiwius Meridius, moderator of the V or the north, ex-secretary of the mighty squad, loyal servant to the true emperor, Squadfather Aurelius, father to a murdered board, husband to the beast, and you will have your vengeance in this life or the next!
F*ck that - sounds like a lot of work ;D
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F*ck that - sounds like a lot of work ;D
You have the same passion for the V that Maximus had for Rome.
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You have the same passion for the V that Maximus had for Rome.
Yes, if not more, although you'd be more exact if you'd said, "You HAD the same passion for the V that Maximus had for Rome"
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Yes, if not more, although you'd be more exact if you'd said, "You HAD the same passion for the V that Maximus had for Rome"
True. Maybe 2008 will be a good year for a comeback ???
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True. Maybe 2008 will be a good year for a comeback ???
"don't call it a comeback...."
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True. Maybe 2008 will be a good year for a comeback ???
Definitely, although not in the way you are going to expect ;)
I don't mean that in a bad way or anything
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i appreciate stories of old. i love hearing about the muscle beach crowd of the late 60's/70's and many aspects of bbing before and after those times. just found it odd that u choose to base the topic of ur 3 ramblings about franco, robby and tom in a somewhat defamatory way. but no one's perfect, so maybe those things did happen. i dont want to sound like a disgruntled starry-eyed fan, so don't let me stop ur stories, whatever they may be about.
Thanks man and peace to you. I also admire all of the fellows I have written about.
Mike
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Why don't you tell us something embarrassing that happened to you? You've obviously had your fair share, since you are bitter enough and seem intent on tearing down 'all the legends of bodybuilding'
BTW as a troll, I fully realize the irony of me pointing this out ;D
Welll...embarassing...ye s...plenty.
I competed in 60 bb shows, amssed only 17 trophies, won only 2 shows outright.
Embarrassed myself onstage plenty of times, but kept trying.
I will post a photo of me competing when I figure out how with the scanner.
Then you guys can have your fun with it!
Mike
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"don't call it a comeback...."
"I hate that word. It is a return."
/ready for my close-up mr. demille
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"I hate that word. It is a return."
/ready for my close-up mr. demille
That's "LL Cool J"
Mike
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That's "LL Cool J"
Mike
My mistake. I thought is was Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard.
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ROFL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=192123.0;attach=223124;image)
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You guys are mean to me. :'(
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=192123.0;attach=223124;image)
HAHAHHAHAH that goes in the chop hall of fame
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You guys are mean to me. :'(
Keith this picture seems to suggest that Twinks factor greatly in to your "training"
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=192123.0;attach=223124;image)
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Many of you may know that Franco would often blow up and explode hot water bottles to entertain crowds.
One year, while perfromning at Mountain Park (Ed Jubinville's affair) in Holyoke, Mass., a friend of minbe who has been a traiuner for m any years and was at this event accidently walked in on Franco in hbis dressing room as he was 'preparing' for his act.
My friend said Franco had turned the hot water bottle inside-out, and was carefully sanding down a small spot with a piece of sanding paper.
"Insurance", Franco said to my friend as he walked out from whence he came.
Guess that's how those things would pop so easily.
Mike
DAMN MOOSEJAY...WHY ARE YOU LYING??? YOU LITTLE INBRED FUCK...ANOTHER COCK SUCKER POSTING A "MY FRIEND" STORY. AND BY THE WAY.... LEARN TO SPELL CORRECTLY (SPELL CHECK).
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DAMN MOOSEJAY...WHY ARE YOU LYING??? YOU LITTLE INBRED FUCK...ANOTHER COCK SUCKER POSTING A "MY FRIEND" STORY. AND BY THE WAY.... LEARN TO SPELL CORRECTLY (SPELL CHECK).
Only if you learn to turn your 'Caps Lock' button off, pilgrim.
Best,
Mike
PS: You can always PM me if you have something personal against me. Peace.
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DAMN MOOSEJAY...WHY ARE YOU LYING??? YOU LITTLE INBRED FUCK...ANOTHER COCK SUCKER POSTING A "MY FRIEND" STORY. AND BY THE WAY.... LEARN TO SPELL CORRECTLY (SPELL CHECK).
you, "sir", are an angry negroid with a caps-lock problem. ::)
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That would be a mail-order Phd he got in nutrition, I am fairly certain.
Mike
uh, that would be one of Franco's other tricks.......
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uh, that would be one of Franco's other tricks.......
Yes. His "Nutrition Phd" was always thought to be kind of dubious in the expedience in which he earned it.
Mike
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Chiropractors are fucking scam artist. What a shit profession.
Board certified general surgeon for 5 years now.
Have personally seen 4 vertebral artery dissections caused by chiropractic "manipulation" and I am not a neurosurgeon, so I assume that number is not representative of how often this actually occurs.
The results for these patients was disastrous.
Not to mention the one patient I had who stopped taking his insulin because his chiro told him his manipulations would make his pancreas get back into harmony with the rest of his body and showed up to my clinic in a diabetic coma.
So in a word yes, conartists.
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Board certified general surgeon for 5 years now.
Have personally seen 4 vertebral artery dissections caused by chiropractic "manipulation" and I am not a neurosurgeon, so I assume that number is not representative of how often this actually occurs.
The results for these patients was disastrous.
Not to mention the one patient I had who stopped taking his insulin because his chiro told him his manipulations would make his pancreas get back into harmony with the rest of his body and showed up to my clinic in a diabetic coma.
So in a word yes, conartists.
Not to defend chiro's but they do Prolotherapy or at least they did about 10 years ago when I had it done in hawaii. i know they got in trouble for it but it worked wonders on my wrist. hurt like shit but helped me. I am afraid to go to one because I see how they crack shit and I don't want a broken neck too
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Board certified general surgeon for 5 years now.
Have personally seen 4 vertebral artery dissections caused by chiropractic "manipulation" and I am not a neurosurgeon, so I assume that number is not representative of how often this actually occurs.
The results for these patients was disastrous.
Not to mention the one patient I had who stopped taking his insulin because his chiro told him his manipulations would make his pancreas get back into harmony with the rest of his body and showed up to my clinic in a diabetic coma.
So in a word yes, conartists.
I respect, admire, and refer patients to surgeons regularly.
Documentation of vertebral artery dissection or trauma from chiro manipulation states this happens once for every ONE MILLION adjustments rendered.
Much less than pharmaceuticle overdosing and its sequlae from boisterous over prescribing MD's.
And, I seem to have read that SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND people have perished during surgery in 2007.
And...many thousands have died because of SURGICAL MISTAKES.
Sometimes, the WRONG JOINT is even operated on. The healthy kidney removed vs. bad one.
Yet, I don't call surgeons "Con Artists".
And, yes, in some states, the laws are lax, and some chiros do weird shit.
Some. Trust me. Not many. The insulin pancreas shit you mentioned is, indeed, retarded.
NOT IN CONNECTICUT, where I practice.
If I did any of that shit, they's remove my diplomas from my walls come Monday morning.
We are held to the highest standards.
I am proud to say that I have helped thousands of people in the best ways that I have been trained to do.
I have never harmed one patient in 18 years.
There is good and bad in every profession.
Sir, in the trusest of all my respect for you, if you are, indeed, a board cert. surgeon, I would not think your overall synopsis of chiropractic as a profession would be what it is.
For the record, I have several Yale and Harvard trained orthopedic surgeons who regularly send me patient referrals.
Respectfully,
Mike
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Hey Only.
Even though I myself am a chiropractor, I do not get adjusted.
I don't like the cracking.
Why?
Because I don't have physical problems that would warrant chiropractic care.
If I did, my body would welcome the adjusting for what it would correct in me.
As far as prolotherapy, my good friend and Yale Pain Management center founder, Lloyd Saberski, M.D., was/is one of the pioneers of prolotherapy. I send my difficult cases to him and performs the prolo on them with much success.
Best, and I hope the diet is going well, my friend,
Mike
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Its no secret that Doctors now work for the HMO's and push product for the drug companies...So when the drug salesman drops off his flavor of the month drug to said doctors to prescribe, I think its safe to say that in fact many doctors are in fact con artists...
When the system allows a doctor to prescribe over a dozen different types of drugs at one time to a 60 year old man/woman, these doctors are not only con artist but should be locked up in jail and have the key thrown away...
Doctors cause so many of the aliments that the elderly have today...Their over prescribing have been tearing the organs apart of people of decades now...And all because of the mighty dollar...
Shame on them...They are con artist to the 33rd degree...They hold degree's in the Tom Tognelli school of con artist
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Its no secret that Doctors now work for the HMO's and push product for the drug companies...So when the drug salesman drops off his flavor of the month drug to said doctors to prescribe, I think its safe to say that in fact many doctors are in fact con artists...
When the system allows a doctor to prescribe over a dozen different types of drugs at one time to a 60 year old man/woman, these doctors are not only con artist but should be locked up in jail and have the key thrown away...
Doctors cause so many of the aliments that the elderly have today...Their over prescribing have been tearing the organs apart of people of decades now...And all because of the mighty dollar...
Shame on them...They are con artist to the 33rd degree...They hold degree's in the Tom Tognelli school of con artist
Well, Spoony, I wouldn't be so harsh.
Not ALL docs (all kinds of docs) are bad.
Most actually go into becoming a doc to help people.
Sure.
You can make a lot of money, although its a lot harder now.
I do very well.
However, I will not lie and say it is easy. I market my ASS off, and , when all is said and done, I regularly work 80 hrs a week...often more (and I own another, separate marketing business, too).
I have never had drug reps come to my office with a delicious Lobster Tail buffet like many meical offices receive on a regular basis, with the reps hoping they will push they phram. wares.
We chiros don't prescribe.
I am not against drugs. We need them, oibviously.
However, it is said that the AVERAGE senior citizen has 17 DIFFERENT prescription medicines in their medicine cabinets.
That's s-e-v-e-n-t-e-e-n.
Maybe they are not currently using all of them. Who knows.
I think you get the point.
I have no prescription meds in my house (only 44 yrs old...but am not planning on any when I am older, either.
LISTEN.
I am, by no means, here to get into a pissing contest with any other kinds of doictors, or ANYONE, for that matter.
But I will say this:
MUCH of the cvrying about chiropractors and whining about bad surgeries or over prescribing comes from that root we all know about:
MONEY.
Who is getting what slice of the pie.
We were provided DIRECT ACCESS to insurance companies in the early 70's.
Patients could then come to us and get their services paid.
Did this piss some allopaths off?
I am sure it did.
Personally, I get along with everyone in my health care community.
Mike
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Where in Connecticut do you live? I lived in New London for a year.
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Where in Connecticut do you live? I lived in New London for a year.
Greater New Haven. Practice in Hamden. Went to school in Midwest.
Mike
New London=Groton Shipyard, Nuke Subs Built there
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Greater New Haven. Practice in Hamden. Went to school in Midwest.
Mike
New London=Groton Shipyard, Nuke Subs Built there
Yeah believe it or not me and my dad used to drive his boat right up to the subs seems illegal but it's not!
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Greater New Haven. Practice in Hamden. Went to school in Midwest.
Mike
New London=Groton Shipyard, Nuke Subs Built there
New Haven? Is that place still a war zone?
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New Haven? Is that place still a war zone?
Not the greatest area, but warzone..... don't follow you?
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i just met crime rates etc...Wasn't it at one time rate the worst city(or most dangerous) to live in(u.s)
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i just met crime rates etc...Wasn't it at one time rate the worst city(or most dangerous) to live in(u.s)
Not sure.
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New Haven? Is that place still a war zone?
Actually, its improved significantly.
Mike
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i just met crime rates etc...Wasn't it at one time rate the worst city(or most dangerous) to live in(u.s)
Well, not worst, but it was up there.
Mike
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Its no secret that Doctors now work for the HMO's and push product for the drug companies...So when the drug salesman drops off his flavor of the month drug to said doctors to prescribe, I think its safe to say that in fact many doctors are in fact con artists...
When the system allows a doctor to prescribe over a dozen different types of drugs at one time to a 60 year old man/woman, these doctors are not only con artist but should be locked up in jail and have the key thrown away...
Doctors cause so many of the aliments that the elderly have today...Their over prescribing have been tearing the organs apart of people of decades now...And all because of the mighty dollar...
Shame on them...They are con artist to the 33rd degree...They hold degree's in the Tom Tognelli school of con artist
Yeah funny every time that I remove someone's colon cancer the first thing they say to me when they wake up is to call me a con man.
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Hey Only.
Even though I myself am a chiropractor, I do not get adjusted.
I don't like the cracking.
Why?
Because I don't have physical problems that would warrant chiropractic care.
If I did, my body would welcome the adjusting for what it would correct in me.
As far as prolotherapy, my good friend and Yale Pain Management center founder, Lloyd Saberski, M.D., was/is one of the pioneers of prolotherapy. I send my difficult cases to him and performs the prolo on them with much success.
Best, and I hope the diet is going well, my friend,
Mike
My old manager was gaining weight and had severe asthma. He was getting around 290 lbs. Every city we went to he had to find a chiropractor. I didn't see him for year then all of sudden I open up a M&F and there he is as a competitve BB. He credits everything to his chiropractor. When I used to promote armwrestling meets I always had a local chiropractor sponsor the show. They would come down and massage the competitors between matches. They loved it. I too don't warrant care from a chiropractor except an occassion thrown out back but I don't really like the cracking either. I love acupuncture. But, I too am surprised how "ether" generalized his opinion on chiropractors when MD's are the worse.
When I got bit by the spider in 98' I had gone to a doctor two times since 1976. In 1983 I ruptured my L4 and L5. I basically wore a back brace and EMS for two years. In 1993 I tore my Achilles tendon playing in a racquetball tournament. That is how much I got sick or needed a doctor. In 1998 I got bit. The first thing happen was the doctors gave me the wrong antibiotic and I woke up covered head to toe with hives. It was shitty. I try at all costs to avoid going to doctors. I didn't even know how to fill a prescription. Since being bit I have gone back to the doctors 100 times. Unreal.
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Yeah funny every time that I remove someone's colon cancer the first thing they say to me when they wake up is to call me a con man.
OOOhhh....IIII seee....the GOD syndrome.
Yes. You surgeons. The great restrorers and savers of lives.
Quick tip: LOSE THE IVORY TOWER NOW, ETHER.
Its GONE.
FORVER.
In the eyes in even those of the most unwashed or over-sold patients.
They donb't trust you...they will move on.
You may have a good career, but will so lose so many patients to your hubris that you will never even notoce and will be much worse the wear financially.
You are, (if you are truthful...and that is becoming more duboius with each post) still a not very oepened minded, fair and well-rounded MD.
These are the worse and to be avoided ay all costs (we all know the sucky chiros are easy to spot so no sweat ther :))
Iwould exclude those traits in trying to attract new patients.
You are out 5 years? Maybe wait till you pay off some of theose heafty student loans :)...you willm have a new perspective.!
35% of all new surgeons are no longer in private parctice after 5 year mark (yeas...it's a bit worse for us, but not by much).
Mike
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OOOhhh....IIII seee....the GOD syndrome.
Yes. You surgeons. The great restrorers and savers of lives.
Quick tip: LOSE THE IVORY TOWER NOW, ETHER.
Its GONE.
FORVER.
In the eyes in even those of the most unwashed or over-sold patients.
They donb't trust you...they will move on.
You may have a good career, but will so lose so many patients to your hubris that you will never even notoce and will be much worse the wear financially.
You are, (if you are truthful...and that is becoming more duboius with each post) still a not very oepened minded, fair and well-rounded MD.
These are the worse and to be avoided ay all costs (we all know the sucky chiros are easy to spot so no sweat ther :))
Iwould exclude those traits in trying to attract new patients.
You are out 5 years? Maybe wait till you pay off some of theose heafty student loans :)...you willm have a new perspective.!
35% of all new surgeons are no longer in private parctice after 5 year mark (yeas...it's a bit worse for us, but not by much).
Mike
Very good post...My shot at doctors were certainly not for 100% of them...But if a doctor is going to sit on a fucking bodybuilding board where probably 99% of us get their care from an HMO. And a doctor is going to tell us with a straight face that the HMO's don't own said doctor...Then I guess we should just close this fucking thread and ask the said doctor what fucking world does he live in...
We all know that their are awesome doctors out there...But most of these awesome doctors are in business for themselves...But 95% of all other doctors are in business for a hospital/Hmo...And they play by those rules...
Maybe this ester dude plays by his own rules and is a master at what he does...So if he is, then excellent and i give him props...But if he is one of those douche bags that become a doctor because his dad was and now has to be told what and how to treat by an HMO, then he can go fuck himself... Most doctors are followers and got into the business because they were fucking nerds to begin with...
But for those who got into the business to truly help people, I applaud you and please don't take offense to my ramblings...But from the outside looking in, the HMO's and drug companies fucking own your profession...If you are truly one that was able to step away from them to some extent, then golf clap to you...But stop eating the fucking cheese because you still are just a fcking doctor...
Now if your a brain surgeon you sir are in a class all by yourself and excuse the ramblings from a douche bag like me...
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Can a hot water bottle also be construed as a douche' bag? Just curious..
I love Franco ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENEMA-COLON-CLEANSING-DOUCHE-BAG-COLONIC-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ140193583551QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENEMA-COLON-CLEANSING-DOUCHE-BAG-COLONIC-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ140193583551QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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Can a hot water bottle also be construed as a douche' bag? Just curious..
I love Franco ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENEMA-COLON-CLEANSING-DOUCHE-BAG-COLONIC-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ140193583551QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENEMA-COLON-CLEANSING-DOUCHE-BAG-COLONIC-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ140193583551QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I'm pretty sure that Alex23 can blow one up so yes it for sure can be used as a douche bag...
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Very good post...My shot at doctors were certainly not for 100% of them...But if a doctor is going to sit on a fucking bodybuilding board where probably 99% of us get their care from an HMO. And a doctor is going to tell us with a straight face that the HMO's don't own said doctor...Then I guess we should just close this fucking thread and ask the said doctor what fucking world does he live in...
We all know that their are awesome doctors out there...But most of these awesome doctors are in business for themselves...But 95% of all other doctors are in business for a hospital/Hmo...And they play by those rules...
Maybe this ester dude plays by his own rules and is a master at what he does...So if he is, then excellent and i give him props...But if he is one of those douche bags that become a doctor because his dad was and now has to be told what and how to treat by an HMO, then he can go fuck himself... Most doctors are followers and got into the business because they were fucking nerds to begin with...
But for those who got into the business to truly help people, I applaud you and please don't take offense to my ramblings...But from the outside looking in, the HMO's and drug companies fucking own your profession...If you are truly one that was able to step away from them to some extent, then golf clap to you...But stop eating the fucking cheese because you still are just a fcking doctor...
Now if your a brain surgeon you sir are in a class all by yourself and excuse the ramblings from a douche bag like me...
Agrred.
And yes, guys like Ben Carson, MD (Ped. Neurosurgeon and 1st to split siamese twins at head) are in their own class)
Mike
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Yeah funny every time that I remove someone's colon cancer the first thing they say to me when they wake up is to call me a con man.
Ether:
Serious question, not to break chops:
Are you really a medical doctor/surgeon?
I am friends with a few and speak with many regularly, and have never heard them speak akin to, "Yeah, whenever I remove the cancer from their colon..."
I am just wondering. I know its impossible to confirm anything wither way via this board, though.
Mike
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Very good post...My shot at doctors were certainly not for 100% of them...But if a doctor is going to sit on a fucking bodybuilding board where probably 99% of us get their care from an HMO. And a doctor is going to tell us with a straight face that the HMO's don't own said doctor...Then I guess we should just close this fucking thread and ask the said doctor what fucking world does he live in...
We all know that their are awesome doctors out there...But most of these awesome doctors are in business for themselves...But 95% of all other doctors are in business for a hospital/Hmo...And they play by those rules...
Maybe this ester dude plays by his own rules and is a master at what he does...So if he is, then excellent and i give him props...But if he is one of those douche bags that become a doctor because his dad was and now has to be told what and how to treat by an HMO, then he can go fuck himself... Most doctors are followers and got into the business because they were fucking nerds to begin with...
But for those who got into the business to truly help people, I applaud you and please don't take offense to my ramblings...But from the outside looking in, the HMO's and drug companies fucking own your profession...If you are truly one that was able to step away from them to some extent, then golf clap to you...But stop eating the fucking cheese because you still are just a fcking doctor...
Now if your a brain surgeon you sir are in a class all by yourself and excuse the ramblings from a douche bag like me...
Hey Spoon.
Agree on most.
What I did to fight HMO's is THIS:
I was very fortunate to befriend a woman who worked at an elevated level of a major HMO for 15 years.
She was 'downsized',a nd, while she could pick and chose any otrher similar corp. to get a job at, I offerred her a great position as my office manager in my small, one-chiropractor office.
A big risk on my part, because she is very expensive.
I won, though.
She has NEVER LOST WHEN GOING HEAD TO HEAD WITH AN HMO ON BEHALF OF OUR PATIENTS.
Sje knows the bullshit and lies of the HMOS.
ASnd, because they know her and what she knows, we have virtually 99% of our pts' claims covered.
She tripled my collections and business.
So, you can fight HMO's sometimes. But at a cost.
Mike
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My old manager was gaining weight and had severe asthma. He was getting around 290 lbs. Every city we went to he had to find a chiropractor. I didn't see him for year then all of sudden I open up a M&F and there he is as a competitve BB. He credits everything to his chiropractor. When I used to promote armwrestling meets I always had a local chiropractor sponsor the show. They would come down and massage the competitors between matches. They loved it. I too don't warrant care from a chiropractor except an occassion thrown out back but I don't really like the cracking either. I love acupuncture. But, I too am surprised how "ether" generalized his opinion on chiropractors when MD's are the worse.
When I got bit by the spider in 98' I had gone to a doctor two times since 1976. In 1983 I ruptured my L4 and L5. I basically wore a back brace and EMS for two years. In 1993 I tore my Achilles tendon playing in a racquetball tournament. That is how much I got sick or needed a doctor. In 1998 I got bit. The first thing happen was the doctors gave me the wrong antibiotic and I woke up covered head to toe with hives. It was shitty. I try at all costs to avoid going to doctors. I didn't even know how to fill a prescription. Since being bit I have gone back to the doctors 100 times. Unreal.
Only:
I have not been adjusted by a chiropractor in 7 years. Only because I haven';t had the need.
Unfortunately, like you, as of late, I have had my fair share of necessary MD visits.
Mike