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Voted by the same group of assholes who demonize Bonds, Clemens, McGuire at every available opportunity...fucking hypocrites.
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How could he not be? No one is even close. Dungy maybe, given all the Colts injuries?
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Voted by the same group of assholes who demonize Bonds, Clemens, McGuire at every available opportunity...fucking hypocrites.
Are you actually saying Bill was not RIPPED all year by the same people who voted for him? Thanks for the laugh bud!
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Voted by the same group of assholes who demonize Bonds, Clemens, McGuire at every available opportunity...fucking hypocrites.
because in truth, there really was no cheating...Every team does the same thing...No one says a word...But some douche bag of Tom Tognelli proportions coaching the jets had to let the media in on it...Pats were the scape goat...So Bill made every fucking team pay...Mengini days are numbered in the NFL...If he can't turn the Jets around in 2 more years, he will probably be picked up by one more team and if thats a failure, he will be gone for good...My guess is he will sign with some college after he realises that he sucks as a coach and everyone hates him
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because in truth, there really was no cheating...Every team does the same thing...No one says a word...But some douche bag of Tom Tognelli proportions coaching the jets had to let the media in on it...Pats were the scape goat...So Bill made every fucking team pay...Mengini days are numbered in the NFL...If he can't turn the Jets around in 2 more years, he will probably be picked up by one more team and if thats a failure, he will be gone for good...My guess is he will sign with some college after he realises that he sucks as a coach and everyone hates him
I know right? The jets got bagged for doing the same thing this year. No one cared. Jealousy is a helluva feeling!!!!
The niners had cap gate during there dynasty. Same thing with the Broncos when they won it all. Chargers and there juicing players last year , it goes on and on. Shula and his 72 phins where fined draft pics for tampering during there undefeated season. Its in vouge to trash the pats.The pats had camera gate. Which is a joke since stealing sings is perfectly legal. The spygate talk is sour grapes to the highest level.
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Belichick coach of the year
Brady MVP
Brady all time td leader
Moss Offensive player of the year
Moss all time td leader
Most points scored by a team in history. The other teams where dome teams pats play in basically Alaska.
Most offensive td's scored by different players ever.
Wes Welker most receptions on the year
9 pro bowlers
Contending for a 4th sb in 7 years.
Hate on haters!
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The Pats will lose in the playoffs.
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The Pats will lose in the playoffs.
They could. Anyone can. I think they have a team that can score a lot of points and a team that has proven they can adapt to the situation and win. Blow outs, bad weather games, coming from behind, stepping up when the absolutly have to make a stop, lining up and pounding it. Road games, dealing with explosive offensive teams etc etc. The pats have been in every type of game this year and found a way to win.
With two weeks to prepare for there first opponent , and a fresh rested team I think they will win there games.
That said the jags and the colts are tough. It is going to be a tough road , that for sure.
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Look at his team this year...it would be a slap in his face to not give it to him when his team went 16-0.
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Look at his team this year...it would be a slap in his face to not give it to him when his team went 16-0.
True dat.
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Are you actually saying Bill was not RIPPED all year by the same people who voted for him? Thanks for the laugh bud!
They were too busy praising him for being a 'genius'. ::)
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Look at his team this year...it would be a slap in his face to not give it to him when his team went 16-0.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE.
Bill has given America the middle finger and you're all sucking his dick in return and paying for the privilege.
McCarthy and Jack Del Rio were *easy* choices for this award...and I probably would've gone with Del Rio - have you seen what he had to work with at the start of this season??
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They were too busy praising him for being a 'genius'. ::)
False. Bill was ripped to no end. You are obv trying to stir the pot. Bill was ripped pre season for giving up a second and a 7th for welker and taking on a washed up randy Moss. When Bill built the only 16 game undefeated team in history the pundits scoffed at his moves and trades. Pioli and Bill where ripped for trading away there second first rounder which turned into the seventh overall pick in this years draft. Bill was Ripped all year for everything under the sun. Personal attacks the whole nine. The guys who did the ripping still voted him coach of the year. Thats respect. To give due to a person you hate.
Claiming Del Rio is a better coach when Bill led a team to sixteen undefeated games is laughable. You talk as though the Jags have no talent (lmao). Right with a top notch defense , the best running game in the NFL, a top rated qb and fantastic special teams its amazing del rio made the playoffs ::)
At least be honest when you post. To claim Bill was not crucified in the media this year is false. Its not like anyone agrees with what you said anyway. That includes the entire NFL, national sports writers and this board.
Try to answer this post with a factual argument instead of the hate filled nonsense you normally spew about the pats.
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acknowledging he cheated, then forcing him to give up a first round pick as well as fining him the largest amount ever in NFL history $500,00.00 then giving him the coach of the year honor? not saying he shouldnt have got it but when you put things into perspective....
there are a lot of coaches who deserve this award every year.
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acknowledging he cheated, then forcing him to give up a first round pick as well as fining him the largest amount ever in NFL history $500,00.00 then giving him the coach of the year honor? not saying he shouldnt have got it but when you put things into perspective....
there are a lot of coaches who deserve this award every year.
Tell us from a coaching standpoint why Bill is not the coach of the year?
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acknowledging he cheated, then forcing him to give up a first round pick as well as fining him the largest amount ever in NFL history $500,00.00 then giving him the coach of the year honor? not saying he shouldnt have got it but when you put things into perspective....
there are a lot of coaches who deserve this award every year.
No one has done what the pats have done EVA...If any other coach were coaching this team, they WOULD NOT have accomplished this...Everyone in the Pats organization buys into 100% of what Bill is teaching...Its the single reason a guy like Moss wanted to come here in the first place...Its a no bullshit team...Fucking Brady makes 6 million a year...That is peanuts...He could be the highest paid player in NFL history if he wanted to....He wants to play here...And so does just about everyone else in the NFL...Love em or hate them...
For argument sake, lets say the Pats got caught for "cheating" in the first game of the season...The info they were getting from the Jets couldn't even be used in the game they were playing with...So really they didn't cheat in the game itself...And after that game, they were prohibited from video taping the other team...So they go 16-0 and break just about every record along the way and Bill B. shouldn't get coach of the year? That in itself would be the silliest thing to ever happen....Right up there with some jackass even thinking about giving Brett Favre a vote for player of the year...That is a kiss ass vote...And done on principle and not done on what the guidelines are for voting for such a thing...
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No one has done what the pats have done EVA...If any other coach were coaching this team, they WOULD NOT have accomplished this...Everyone in the Pats organization buys into 100% of what Bill is teaching...Its the single reason a guy like Moss wanted to come here in the first place...Its a no bullshit team...Fucking Brady makes 6 million a year...That is peanuts...He could be the highest paid player in NFL history if he wanted to....He wants to play here...And so does just about everyone else in the NFL...Love em or hate them...
For argument sake, lets say the Pats got caught for "cheating" in the first game of the season...The info they were getting from the Jets couldn't even be used in the game they were playing with...So really they didn't cheat in the game itself...And after that game, they were prohibited from video taping the other team...So they go 16-0 and break just about every record along the way and Bill B. shouldn't get coach of the year? That in itself would be the silliest thing to ever happen....Right up there with some jackass even thinking about giving Brett Favre a vote for player of the year...That is a kiss ass vote...And done on principle and not done on what the guidelines are for voting for such a thing...
The comish said himself that tape had no outcome on the jets game. He was also satisfied there was no rules broken when looking into the pats paperwork and tapes dating all the way back to 01.
The NFL never said the pats cheated. Stealing sings is not illegal , having a cam on the sidelines is a rule violation. Just like when the jets where caught for the same crap last year at foxboro. The pats didnt turn them in. No one cared because they are terrible. Half the goofs talking don't even know what the pats where actually punished for.
Spygate is nothing more then hypocritical haters grasping at anything they can to discredit the best franchise of the salary cap era.
What a crock. All the drugs everyone the players take. The players running wild. Now everyone is all high and mighty ::) I don't get why no one talks about the niners getting fined draft picks for cheating the cap during there dynasty. How about the broncos doing the same thing so they could field extra players (John Elway). They where fined picks. The chargers and there steriod issues last year.The 72 dolphins where fined draft choices for tampering with Don Shula. The list goes on and on.
Spygate is such a load of shit. Stealing signs is perfectly legal. Its ok to do with high speed cams,video cams in the stands, and lip readers, but not a video cam in a certain area. The pats where the scapegoat, they where fined , they where found innocent of further rule violations after the investigation , move on. I mean honestly the haters just never quit looking for any excuse to rip the pats. Splitting hairs to fuel an agenda. Nothing more.
Del Rio had a better coaching year? LMAO!
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Del Rio had a better coaching year? LMAO!
I can kind of see what he's saying. I think I could've coached that team to at least a 12-4 record. I think the GM should get more of the accolades but Bill is deserving of coach of the year.
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Voted by the same group of assholes who demonize Bonds, Clemens, McGuire at every available opportunity...fucking hypocrites.
How many games did he lose during regular season?
Well, there you go...
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Bill has given America the middle finger and you're all sucking his dick in return and paying for the privilege.
wrong. I am from Indianapolis so needless to say I am not a Patriots fan. That will get you killed around here. ;D
And I don't give a rats ass about their coach, BUT they are a great ball team, and just like the coach takes most of the blame when a team stinks up the place, they also get much of the credit when they are succesful. What's wrong with that?
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The gm is Scott Pioli. Bill has just as much say in personnel as Pioli. They both pick players. It has been that way for years. When Bill was building this team pre season the media was ripping him. How could the pats give up a second and a seventh rounder for a guy no one ever heard of in Wes Welker? The pundits ripped him for giving up a fourth round choice for a old washed up malcontent in Randy Moss. People called them crazy for trading away there second first rounder in a package deal that gives them Oaklands third round draft choice this year , and San frans number on pick also. Which just happens to be the seventh overall pick. I love how before the pats showed how good they where everyone ripped Beli and co. Now that they are very good its all the team and anyone could coach that team. Honestly the haters will never give him his due. You know that.
Not only did the roster moves prove awesome , he then coached the team he built to the first 16 game undefeated season in history. Every week Belichick had to motivate a team that people started to hype to no end. The pressue , teams giving them there best shot, managing injuries, the media taking shots at him over and over. What he did this year was amazing. From a pure football stand point the numbers are amazing. What more would it take to be a coach of the year? I mean honestly.
Del Rio and McCarthy did a great job. But making a case for Del Rio on the base of "look what he did with what he had" is bull imo. The jags have two incredable running backs , a great d , fantastic special teams , and a ultra efficient accurate QB who never throws ints , and can scramble with the best of them. Del Rio did great job , but the jags are clearly one of the most talented teams in the NFL.
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False. Bill was ripped to no end. You are obv trying to stir the pot. Bill was ripped pre season for giving up a second and a 7th for welker and taking on a washed up randy Moss. When Bill built the only 16 game undefeated team in history the pundits scoffed at his moves and trades. Pioli and Bill where ripped for trading away there second first rounder which turned into the seventh overall pick in this years draft. Bill was Ripped all year for everything under the sun. Personal attacks the whole nine. The guys who did the ripping still voted him coach of the year. Thats respect. To give due to a person you hate.
Claiming Del Rio is a better coach when Bill led a team to sixteen undefeated games is laughable. You talk as though the Jags have no talent (lmao). Right with a top notch defense , the best running game in the NFL, a top rated qb and fantastic special teams its amazing del rio made the playoffs ::)
At least be honest when you post. To claim Bill was not crucified in the media this year is false. Its not like anyone agrees with what you said anyway. That includes the entire NFL, national sports writers and this board.
Try to answer this post with a factual argument instead of the hate filled nonsense you normally spew about the pats.
You must be a local, because the non-New England media beat him up for maybe a week and then began singing his praises again. You said he was still taking heat, so that had to be a local thing as the national media would not give up its love affair.
On the Welker, there were no criticisms. A 7th-rounder? Big deal?!
There was only limited criticism of the Moss pickup - lots of guys felt he'd 'lost a step', but I never heard him described as 'washed up'.
While I agree that the Jaguars have a potent running game, Fred Taylor was already old at the start of this season. And who was David Garrard in August?? Even today, how quickly can you name their top 3 receivers? All I heard about all season was how Matt Jones wasn't doing jack, but they were definitely the no-name WR corps going into the season.
When you really look at that group coming out of the pre-season, NO ONE would've picked them to go 11-5 (and most likely 12-4, given that they didn't play their starters the full game in Week 17).
Based on the rosters, I would've expected NE to go 14-2 or even 15-1. Del Rio achieved well above expectations.
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You must be a local, because the non-New England media beat him up for maybe a week and then began singing his praises again. You said he was still taking heat, so that had to be a local thing as the national media would not give up its love affair.
On the Welker, there were no criticisms. A 7th-rounder? Big deal?!
There was only limited criticism of the Moss pickup - lots of guys felt he'd 'lost a step', but I never heard him described as 'washed up'.
While I agree that the Jaguars have a potent running game, Fred Taylor was already old at the start of this season. And who was David Garrard in August?? Even today, how quickly can you name their top 3 receivers? All I heard about all season was how Matt Jones wasn't doing jack, but they were definitely the no-name WR corps going into the season.
When you really look at that group coming out of the pre-season, NO ONE would've picked them to go 11-5 (and most likely 12-4, given that they didn't play their starters the full game in Week 17).
Based on the rosters, I would've expected NE to go 14-2 or even 15-1. Del Rio achieved well above expectations.
A coach who completes a shut out should not get the Coach of the Year award?
Give me some solid reason behind that.
BTW, I'm a 49'er, so NE isn't even my team.
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You must be a local, because the non-New England media beat him up for maybe a week and then began singing his praises again. You said he was still taking heat, so that had to be a local thing as the national media would not give up its love affair.
On the Welker, there were no criticisms. A 7th-rounder? Big deal?!
There was only limited criticism of the Moss pickup - lots of guys felt he'd 'lost a step', but I never heard him described as 'washed up'.
While I agree that the Jaguars have a potent running game, Fred Taylor was already old at the start of this season. And who was David Garrard in August?? Even today, how quickly can you name their top 3 receivers? All I heard about all season was how Matt Jones wasn't doing jack, but they were definitely the no-name WR corps going into the season.
When you really look at that group coming out of the pre-season, NO ONE would've picked them to go 11-5 (and most likely 12-4, given that they didn't play their starters the full game in Week 17).
Based on the rosters, I would've expected NE to go 14-2 or even 15-1. Del Rio achieved well above expectations.
It was second and a seventh for welker. Which is a lot. Most everyone was scratching there head as to why they gave up so much for Welker.He got a nice contract also. It was called a dumb move by many. People laughed since Welker only had 600 yards receiving one td last year. This year Welker has the most receptions in the NFL (112) for over 1100 yards , 8 times the td's and is by far the best slot receiver in the league. He returns kicks and punts also. People thought it was crazy to give up a second , seventh , and a long contract to a little known slot guy out of Miami.
Belichick was ripped in the national media all year. In print , on radio , and on tv. Personnel attacks the whole nine. I can think of several examples of the top of my head alone. I can list a bunch of them if you wish. Esterbrook on espn.com was the worst.
Before the start of the season Moss was seen as a locker room cancer who had lost a step. A lot of people said he might not be worth the fourth rounder he commanded for his services. Now since this year he has totally resurrected his career that was in the shitter for the last few years , all the sudden he is the greatest thing ever again. What has changed since last year? The qb throwing him the ball , the coach , and a structured locker room run on repsect.
As for the jags having no receivers , the pats had worse then the jags do this year last year and went all the way to the AFC championship game. Who cares? All the jags receivers where pretty high picks right? Jones was the 21st overall pick in the first round. Del Rio picked a bunch of busts at wr? Kinda hurts your argument. If Del Rio picked up some better players with those picks maybe they would not be no name.
Belichik is commended for his coaching because he is one the best ever at it. Like him or not those are the facts. He will be in the HOF no questions asked.
I don't really have a problem with the post you just made as you make a good argument for your case. Unlike the other posts I can see your reason for your opinion , instead of the whole pats suck at life mentality you take sometimes.
Plain and simple , if the pats are not 16 - 0, Mccarthy or maybe Del Rio win it. If I was not going to vote for Belichick I would vote for McCarthy.
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A coach who completes a shut out should not get the Coach of the Year award?
Give me some solid reason behind that.
BTW, I'm a 49'er, so NE isn't even my team.
If not for the cheating scandal - which has been whitewashed by the league - then I would've agreed with you in an instant.
By giving this award, they say, "Cheating is ok."
And if it's ok for Belichick, then it's ok for everyone else who does it, too.
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If not for the cheating scandal - which has been whitewashed by the league - then I would've agreed with you in an instant.
By giving this award, they say, "Cheating is ok."
And if it's ok for Belichick, then it's ok for everyone else who does it, too.
The AP gives out the Coach of the Year award.
Not the NFL. Blame the Press.
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i would have voted for Wade Phillips myself. When you can take a team that has been sucking for the last couple of years and make the better than they ever have been. that says alot. of course i am a diehard Cowboys fan so i may be bias. ;D
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Thats Bill's team....he added the calmness but it remains to be seen what would have happend if they had a few bad games...as far as what TO would have said.
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That said the jags and the colts are tough. It is going to be a tough road , that for sure.
I've been hearing that a lot up here, but, to me, the Jaguars seem like a team the Pats will manhandle. It's just like the Pats fool people into thinking they're declining because they didn't blow teams out the last 5 weeks, then show up and dominate when it counts. We'll see.
My season is already a success, but now the Giants are making me believe they're going to beat Dallas.
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That Dallas/Giants game will be close i think, its tough for a team to beat another three times in one year. the Boys havent looked good for more than a month now., its dissapointing really.
the Pats will roll over the Jags. watching the Jags game last week, they left alot of Steelers wideouts open, Brady will take advantage of that.
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If not for the cheating scandal - which has been whitewashed by the league - then I would've agreed with you in an instant.
By giving this award, they say, "Cheating is ok."
And if it's ok for Belichick, then it's ok for everyone else who does it, too.
i agree, to give the award to someone who was fined for cheating is strange. although going 16-0 is incredible regardless.
i found it peculiar that the league swept spygate under the rug. if what they found was so incriminating that they levied the largest fine in NFL history why not at least say what they found? instead they destroyed the tape from what i heard and didnt say anything about it. i was thinking that what they found may have been detrimental to the Pats dynasty and the nfl decided it was best not to dig up the past, for the sake of the league and its integrity. a scandal that would question or place a dark cloud over the most dominant team in the past ten years would be a huge step back for the NFL being that they are the strongest sport by far.
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I think the Jags have the running game to keep Brady and Co. off the field for a long time. That gives them a punchers chance.
I still think the Pats win though.
My Cowboys need TO to be 90% healthy to win. Or Eli needs to revert back to being Eli. The Giants O-line is pretty banged up so the Cowboys could get a ton of pressure on him.
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your Boys need to RUN THE BALL!! and utilize paly action later. why dont they run the ball more?? Barber is awesome i dont understand it. is Wade saving him or something?
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your Boys need to RUN THE BALL!! and utilize paly action later. why dont they run the ball more?? Barber is awesome i dont understand it. is Wade saving him or something?
You're preaching to the choir. I hate that they don't use Barber that much. I would give him the ball 30 times a game. He gets stronger as the game goes and he punishes tacklers. With that huge line, by the 4th quarter, the defense would be on their heels.
I'm pretty sure they re-sign him next year and let Jones go. I can't believe we passed on Stephen Jackson for that dude in the draft.
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for as much credit as Parcells deserves which he does, that was a bad choice hind sight being 20/20 of course. on the other hand if he did take Jackson, they wouldnt be able to keep both Barber and Jackson anyway. personally i would take Barber slightly over Jackson. if the Boys are smart they will utilize a two back system while they have Barber to prolong his career...i think.
on the other side i think your safeties are vulnerable, Williams and Hamlen.
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I think Jackson, when healthy, is in the top 3 of running backs in the league. His receiving skills are top notch out of the backfield. I would've loved to had the problem of deciding which one to keep.
Hamlin is a little too aggressive at times which puts him out of position but he is still one of the best in the league. Roy gets killed for having bad coverage skills but what safety can defend the tightends in the league today? I see safety after safety getting killed each week by Witten, Gates, Clark, etc. What worries me about Roy is that his run support this year has been subpar.
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i agree, to give the award to someone who was fined for cheating is strange. although going 16-0 is incredible regardless.
i found it peculiar that the league swept spygate under the rug. if what they found was so incriminating that they levied the largest fine in NFL history why not at least say what they found? instead they destroyed the tape from what i heard and didn't say anything about it. i was thinking that what they found may have been detrimental to the Pats dynasty and the NFL decided it was best not to dig up the past, for the sake of the league and its integrity. a scandal that would question or place a dark cloud over the most dominant team in the past ten years would be a huge step back for the NFL being that they are the strongest sport by far.
This is what gets me about spygate. You have no clue what you are talking about. The actual tape that was confiscated from the jets game was all over youtube. It was all over the media. It was a video of three jets employee's doing hand signals 8 min into the game. Honestly the tape is laughable. I posted the video on this website in the spygate thread months ago , go take a look. The tape was not destroyed before the public saw it. The tape was leaked from within! People even said Goodel was to blame since the tape was leaked on to the newsstation where his wife worked! The NFL talked plenty about the situation. Goodel said the tape had no outcome on the game. The pats where not fined for stealing signs , they where fined for violating the league rules which does not allow "video machines" in certain parts of the field. There is no rule against stealing signs. The competitive advantage was the pats using a video machine in the wrong place. That is why they where fined.
You are talking about the duplicate tapes dating back to 2001 that where destroyed. Goodel watched them found there to be no illegal information on them , and destroyed them so none of them would be leaked again. Why would Goodel show the entire world all of the pats scouting tapes dating back to 2001 , that makes no sense. As I just told you the first tape Goodel had mysteriously was leaked to his wifes tv station. If other teams got there hands on the pats scouting tapes dating back to 2001 that would be a huge advantage to them. The rules committee has several gm's and head coaches from rival teams on the board. Any one of them could have leaked the jets tape , or used the pats scouting tapes to prepare if they wanted to. You cant punish someone and have all the information you request leaked by your own board. Not good. You're post is riddled with false statements and theory's that have absolutely no base. If Goodel wanted to protect the pats dynasty he would not have fined them in the first place.
You need to accept the fact the pats got bagged for violating a league rule one time. They made a mistake and payed the price. Just like the niners dynasty and countless others. No offense but at least know a little bit about the situation you are talking about before you spout off.
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but what safety can defend the tightends in the league today? I see safety after safety getting killed each week by Witten, Gates, Clark, etc.
true, there are so many good TE's in the league now.
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This is what gets me about spygate. You have no clue what you are talking about. The actual tape that was confiscated fromthe jets game was all over youtube. It was a video of three jets employees doing hand signals 8 min into the game. Honestly it is laughable.
Yes so laughable that the league fined Bill the largest fine ever, they obvioulsy found nothing. ::) they probably fined Bill just because the league has something against him right?
You need to accept the fact the pats got bagged for violating a leauge rule one time. They made a mistake and payed the price. At least know a little bit about the situation you are talking about before you spout off.
you need to accept the fact that he got caught cheating.
i highly doubt that the spygate incedent was his first time... but im just speculating ;)
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Yes so laughable that the league fined Bill the largest fine ever, they obvioulsy found nothing. ::) they probably fined Bill just because the league has something against him right?
you need to accept the fact that he got caught cheating.
i highly doubt that the spygate incedent was his first time... but im just speculating ;)
It is laughable that you are missing the point yet again. You dont know what you are talking about. Everyone did see the tape that was confiscated. You claimed it was swept under the rug and never talked about or seen by anyone outside of Roger Goodel. Fact is the tape was seen by everyone in the public and media and you had no clue since you didn't bother to look before you formed an opinion. I was not talking about the actual fine or what they found. If you want to see what the NFL found , watch the tape lol. Contrary to what you said it is infact out there and it was not destroyed before anyone saw it.
I just told you what the pats where fined for. Its as simple as looking at the information , which obv you have not done.
I accept the fact the pats where fined for a rule violation like the NFL said. They where fined for having a video machine on the sidelines. The nfl never said they cheated , you did, that's your opinion and thats fine. Stealing signs is not illegal. Look it up. Thats not what the pats where fined for. Those are the facts. A video machine on the sidelines is illegal , the pats had one , so they paid the price.
Btw it is quite funny how you scoff at the nation the NFL might have something against Belichick , then come up with conspiracy theory's of tapes being swept under the rug. Man oh man how rich ::) If you want to have a legit argument dont cherry pick posts ::)
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I accept the fact the pats where fined for a rule violation like the NFL said. They where fined for having a video machine on the sidelines. The nfl never said they cheated , you did, that's your opinion and thats fine. Stealing signs is not illegal. Look it up. Thats not what the pats where fined for. Those are the facts. A video machine on the sidelines is illegal , the pats had one , so they paid the price.
i like the way you associate their "rule violation" like it was a simple uniform infraction, you being a Pats fan-atic i wouldnt expect you to be objective. the NFL would be stupid to admit that it was cheating. what would you consider it? just a rule violation?
Btw it is quite funny how you scoff at the nation the NFL might have something against Belichick
yes i scoff at your notion that the nfl might have something against Bill..you actually think that there is an agenda by the nfl? ::) oh brother....
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i like the way you associate their "rule violation" like it was a simple uniform infraction, you being a Pats fan-atic i wouldnt expect you to be objective. the NFL would be stupid to admit that it was cheating. what would you consider it? just a rule violation?
yes i scoff at your notion that the nfl might have something against Bill..you actually think that there is an agenda by the nfl? ::) oh brother....
In short you are totally avoiding the fact you had no clue what you where talking about with your initial post of a tape being brushed under the rug and held from the public.
I didn't expect you to answer that part of my post. That would require YOU to be objective and know a few facts about the topic you are spouting off about.
I don't know if there is any agenda against Belichick. I know he is hared by several mediots. Thats nothing new. I think the pats where taken to the shithouse over a rule violation that is pretty comin place in the nfl.
How rich you speak of objectivity , when it is quit clear from your initial post you made up 95 percent of the accusations you made :) Fact is no tape was ever held from the public nor swept under the rug with no one being able to see it.
You claim the point I made about certain folks having a agenda against Bill Belichick is absurd , yet you claim the NFL swept the entire situation under the rug. Thats pure gold.
If you actually knew about the panel that reviews rule violations you would have found out there are several head coaches on that board that could infact have a little something to gain by leaking a tape , or trashing the pats. Bill Polian comes to mind. That's neither here nor there since I dont think that was the case. My point was its not insane to question it.
Dont get upset with me because I qouted exactly what the NFL punished the pats for straight from the horses mouth. Not my fault you dont know much about the topic you are speaking from other then what you heard from joe schmoe or plain old made up.
I think the pats where busted for taping sings with a camera in a inapropriate place. They where not punished for stealing sings. I dare you to find me where in the rules it says you cannot steal signs. I guess the pats are the ONLY team to have commited some sort of violation of the rules. Spare us please. the jets did the exact same crap and nothing happened to them.
The NFL investigated this incident and came to the conclusion this was a one time issue. Just deal with it. The pats payed there fine and then went 16 - 0. Tough to take I know.
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the Pats cheated and they paid the price live with it. that was my point. and i think the fact that he was fined so heavily and lost a 1st rd pick proves it. you can get technical and call it a "rule violation" and narrow it down to the illegal use of a recording device or whatever if you wish, but it is what it is. you sound like a lawyer trying to defend a guilty person when it come down to it he was cheating.
and it would be silly for you to assume that i could get mad over a fanatic on a message board regarding sports. i use this for what it is, which is merely entertainment ;D
and for the record Btw it is quite funny how you scoff at the nation the NFL might have something against Belichick
dont worry im sure the nfl will soon be exposed for their "hidden agenda" ::) against Bill and the Pats.
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i gotta get back to work for a little while Bod i'll be back a little later if i can. serioulsy have a great weekend, good luck against the Jags and enjoy the game, i dont think it will be that good of a game though. looking forward to the Colts/Pats championship game.
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i gotta get back to work for a little while Bod i'll be back a little later if i can. serioulsy have a great weekend, good luck against the Jags and enjoy the game, i dont think it will be that good of a game though. looking forward to the Colts/Pats championship game.
You know this is all in good fun my friend. I love the debate. Have a great weekend also. Go cheaters!!!! ;)
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You know this is all in good fun my friend. I love the debate. Have a great weekend also. Go cheaters!!!! ;)
If there were a team called "the cheaters" I would be a die hard fan. :)
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If there were a team called "the cheaters" I would be a die hard fan. :)
They are known as the Raiders. At least they used to be.
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Aren't Goodel and the Patriots' owner bosom buddies?
At a minimum, they should've lost their highest draft pick this year.
This is what gets me about spygate. You have no clue what you are talking about. The actual tape that was confiscated from the jets game was all over youtube. It was all over the media. It was a video of three jets employee's doing hand signals 8 min into the game. Honestly the tape is laughable. I posted the video on this website in the spygate thread months ago , go take a look. The tape was not destroyed before the public saw it. The tape was leaked from within! People even said Goodel was to blame since the tape was leaked on to the newsstation where his wife worked! The NFL talked plenty about the situation. Goodel said the tape had no outcome on the game. The pats where not fined for stealing signs , they where fined for violating the league rules which does not allow "video machines" in certain parts of the field. There is no rule against stealing signs. The competitive advantage was the pats using a video machine in the wrong place. That is why they where fined.
You are talking about the duplicate tapes dating back to 2001 that where destroyed. Goodel watched them found there to be no illegal information on them , and destroyed them so none of them would be leaked again. Why would Goodel show the entire world all of the pats scouting tapes dating back to 2001 , that makes no sense. As I just told you the first tape Goodel had mysteriously was leaked to his wifes tv station. If other teams got there hands on the pats scouting tapes dating back to 2001 that would be a huge advantage to them. The rules committee has several gm's and head coaches from rival teams on the board. Any one of them could have leaked the jets tape , or used the pats scouting tapes to prepare if they wanted to. You cant punish someone and have all the information you request leaked by your own board. Not good. You're post is riddled with false statements and theory's that have absolutely no base. If Goodel wanted to protect the pats dynasty he would not have fined them in the first place.
You need to accept the fact the pats got bagged for violating a league rule one time. They made a mistake and payed the price. Just like the niners dynasty and countless others. No offense but at least know a little bit about the situation you are talking about before you spout off.
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Aren't Goodel and the Patriots' owner bosom buddies?
At a minimum, they should've lost their highest draft pick this year.
No more or less then several other owners in the NFL. I mean if you get into that kinda thing it should be known Goodel worked for the jets orginazation for many years.
The pats did lose there highest draft choice. You cannot take a draft choice away that was gotten through trade because all of the players the niners took in that trade have contracts and are active. You cant do that.
Anyway im going to enjoy the pats win over the jags.
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The pats did lose there highest draft choice.
No, they didn't.
You cannot take a draft choice away that was gotten through trade because all of the players the niners took in that trade have contracts and are active. You cant do that.
Why not?
Too bad, so sad, I would've said, but then again, I'm way more objective than Goodell.
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No, they didn't.
Why not?
Too bad, so sad, I would've said, but then again, I'm way more objective than Goodell.
Yes they did the draft choice you are talking about is san frans. If you take a look at the rule book you can see why the pick was not taken.
Tre you are not objective at all.