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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TrueGrit on January 05, 2008, 05:14:31 PM
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
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What's the mystery with Park and Reeves? You think their bb lifestyle would make them live well beyond average age, beyond what their genes dictate? They sure didn't die surprisingly early IMO.
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I would expect - well, hope - people who live an exceptionally healthy lifestyle to have a life expectancy well over that of the national average.
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
Hail to thee Englishman!
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Hail to thee Englishman!
I am an Englishman and am statistically more likely to die sooner than a Frenchman, Spaniard or Italian. So will you my American chums.
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whats the under and over for the current crop of pros ? 45-50 years ? ???
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Why do you think Arnold had heart surgery?
Matarazzo heart problems, TP kidney, Flex Wheeler kidney...
To name a few.
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It's better to burn out than to fade away.
Bodybuilding is here to stay.
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TP took quite a bit of advil though.
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Why do you think Arnold had heart surgery?
Matarazzo heart problems, TP kidney, Flex Wheeler kidney...
To name a few.
Never the drugs. It is always congenital. People with congenital conditions are attracted to bodybuilding ;)
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Why don't bodybuilders live very long?
Cancer.
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
You have to remember than life expectancy numbers are based on when you are born. Both of these men far outlived the life expectancy rate for that era.
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http://www.steroidsviciouscycles.com/HTMLobj-1422/SteroidsViciousCyclesTRAIL.html
Warning, sound is pretty loud. This hit the boards just over three years ago exactly.
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TP took quite a bit of advil though.
ALL ADVIL! :D
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
Yknow, its not just bodybuilders who only live to 80. You seem to think the average life span of a person is 100 years or somethign, well it aint.
So croakin between 70-80 aint bad.
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how old is serge nubret? can't remember damnit
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Yknow, its not just bodybuilders who only live to 80. You seem to think the average life span of a person is 100 years or somethign, well it aint.
So croakin between 70-80 aint bad.
Exactly. After 80, it's all genetics. A healthy lifestyle may prevent you from dying or being sickly in your 50's, 60's, and 70's, but beyond that you're fighting old age, not heart disease, diabetes, etc, etc.
I have one set of grandparents who are healthy and approaching 100, so I'm pretty optimistic on this score! :D
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I don't seem to think anything. The average life expectancy of a North American is between 77-80.
I don't expect health freaks to life forever and not die from what kills human beings.
The fact remains that bodybuilders seem to die either just making it into average or below.
One would like to think that the healthy lifestyle they led , or claimed to lead, would have translated itself into not dying at the same time..or younger than..an average Joe.
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how old is serge nubret? can't remember damnit
He's in his 60s now. Still trains and looks great.
He'll probably die soon
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why is huge hefner alive and kicking smiling all the time and is over 80
bodybuilders have more girls after them they get laid more more women drama more stress, hefner and most strip club owners or porn guys live forever never a problem with pussy and girls treat you different if they know u can have 10 new peices of ass in 5 seconds.
yeah I know it sounds crazy what i just
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Only THE VERY BEST live past 55...like Arnold! 8)
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
Reg Park died from melanoma. That = not BB related, unless you count excess tanning as a BB activity.
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Clancy Ross is still going ...born in 1923.
Keep breathing Clancy.
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/vintage/RossClarence_1.jpg)
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Reg Park died from melanoma. That = not BB related, unless you count excess tanning as a BB activity.
I know he did. I am not saying that bodybuilding necessarily kills em...I'm simply observing that the vast majority of those individuals who were held aloft as examples of human health and flourishing did not live to reach the average life expectancy of a North American. Although seeing as Africans kill each other for fun...Reg probably lived beyond the normal life expectancy of a South African.
There does appear to be a correlation with the advent of widespread steroid use and more health complications with subsequent generations. We can only wait and see if the Pumping Iron generation reach the national average.
The modern drug addicts are probably fucked..
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http://www.steroidsviciouscycles.com/HTMLobj-1422/SteroidsViciousCyclesTRAIL.html
Warning, sound is pretty loud. This hit the boards just over three years ago exactly.
Simple.....like anything else, you abuse it and it will abuse you. I'd be more concerned about the insulin usage than the AAS usage.
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Hard to say if Reeves used but like fuck Reg Park was a life time natural.
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Hard to say if Reeves used but like fuck Reg Park was a life time natural.
I am very sceptical he never tried them. He was still training and competing for years when everyone began taking them and no one knew of potential health risks or were they illegal. There was simply no stigma or big deal attached to taking them at that point..why wouldn't he? Why would he instantly take a dislike to something everyone did and got results off and no one knew was bad?
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many people don't live to 70 or 80
read your local obituaries some time
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Exactly. After 80, it's all genetics. A healthy lifestyle may prevent you from dying or being sickly in your 50's, 60's, and 70's, but beyond that you're fighting old age, not heart disease, diabetes, etc, etc.
I have one set of grandparents who are healthy and approaching 100, so I'm pretty optimistic on this score! :D
WTF, approaching 100? Speak on this.
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I have one set of grandparents who are healthy and approaching 100, so I'm pretty optimistic on this score! :D
I know an old couple like this too
their son died of leukemia at 43 :(
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I know an old couple like this too
their son died of leukemia at 43 :(
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Goatboy's future.
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many people don't live to 70 or 80
read your local obituaries some time
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That's not the point. I have said - on more than one occasion - that the vast majority of bodybuilders die before reaching the average life expectancy of a North American.
The fact that other people die before reaching the national average is not the issue.
The question is why are a group of people who exercise regularly and monitor their diet carefully dying before the average age of mostly sedentary people?
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That's not the point. I have said - on more than one occasion - that the vast majority of bodybuilders die before reaching the average life expectancy of a North American.
The fact that other people die before reaching the national average is not the issue.
The question is why are a group of people who exercise regularly and monitor their diet carefully dying before the average age of mostly sedentary people?
Steroid abuse (not use) and hidden vices. The moderate users - I have no idea.
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That's not the point. I have said - on more than one occasion - that the vast majority of bodybuilders die before reaching the average life expectancy of a North American.
Other than the two mentioned have you looked at other bb'ers from that era?
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Heres my video case study on why Tom Prince may not see his twilight years.
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Heres my video case study on why Tom Prince may not see his twilight years.
AWESOME! ;D ;D
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Other than the two mentioned have you looked at other bb'ers from that era?
Yes. I'm finding more who did live longer than the national average.
Clarence Ross is still alive and John Grimek died at 88.
George Eiferman went at 77, just creeping into the bottom percentile of the 77-80 average for a North American.
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I am not just talking about the drug addicted Jekyll and Hyde experiments..I mean the old schoolers too.
Guys like Park and Reeves were supposedly drug free all their lives (hmm..not even one little cycle eh) and stood for health and vitality.. Reeves went at 74. Park didn't make it to 80.
I'm struggling to think of any bodybuilders that live over and above the national average.
And as for the modern drug bloated, oil filled, drug dealing/smuggling scumbags...surely this batch will not see 60.
Same age like every other average person in the world.
Steroids/alcohol/smoking etc. don't say shit. It's about genetics.
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will harris is 100 years old and going strong
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Yes. I'm finding more who did live longer than the national average.
Clarence Ross is still alive and John Grimek died at 88.
George Eiferman went at 77, just creeping into the bottom percentile of the 77-80 average for a North American.
Jack Lalanne is like 150.
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Bill Pearl is still around
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Jack Lalanne is like 150.
Yea but he juices like crazy ;D
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That's not the point. I have said - on more than one occasion - that the vast majority of bodybuilders die before reaching the average life expectancy of a North American.
The fact that other people die before reaching the national average is not the issue.
The question is why are a group of people who exercise regularly and monitor their diet carefully dying before the average age of mostly sedentary people?
72 is the average life expectancy last i heard
i don't know but i don't think it's healthy to overeat to gain muscle
lifting heavy probably isn't healthy either
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72 is the average life expectancy last i heard
i don't know but i don't think it's healthy to overeat to gain muscle
lifting heavy probably isn't healthy either
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I would have thought 72 sounded more realistic tbh. Especially with all the obese fuckers in North America.
The chart I consulted said 77-80 for Brits and those in the USA. 80+ for Aussies, Canucks, French, Italians and Spanish.
I agree with your other points. The overeating is defo not great for longevity and sustaining such levels of musclemass is also a strain on the body.
I do wonder if this modern bunch will say fuck genetics and kill themselves sooner than their DNA has planned!
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yes the extra muscle isn't healthy
it doesn't matter whether it is muscle or fat, bodyweight is bodyweight
the bigger you are the harder it is on your heart
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