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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/muzi/greg_kovacs/greg_kovac_11.jpg)
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According to Nasser he can't even wipe his own ass.
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serious 'stragnations' ??? ;D
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According to Nasser he can't even wipe his own ass.
Looking at the picture I'd assume that he could wipe it...he could even choose whether to back wipe or front wipe.
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caption:
'' have to go to the bathroom....... anyone have a towel? ''
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Arnolds GH gut in the movie "Junior" :)
(http://www.brautboutique.at/ebay/junior.jpg)
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According to Nasser he can't even wipe his own ass.
his arms look long enough to reach..i wonder why he doesn't try a going underneath wipe ;D
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No such thing as "GH gut".
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alright joe, then what the hell is that ?
(http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/images/ronnie-coleman-gh-gut.jpg)
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No such thing as "GH gut".
LOL since GH causes the human body to increase it's cellular reproduction and growth....
That means all over the body including the internal organs in most cases, causing the very common GH gut.
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alright joe, then what the hell is that ?
(http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/images/ronnie-coleman-gh-gut.jpg)
Insulin.
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It also doesn't help that it can cause a huge insulin release...
Large insulin releases can cause a "GH" gut look.
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It also doesn't help that it can cause a huge insulin release...
Large insulin releases can cause a "GH" gut look.
Yep.
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No such thing as "GH gut".
Didnt you post here some pics of yourself exposing your gh gut aswell, JOELOCO?
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Didnt you post here some pics of yourself exposing your gh gut aswell, JOELOCO?
Impossible, I didn't use GH or insulin.
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Impossible, I didn't use GH or insulin.
Are you nervous, JOELOCO?
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No such thing as "GH gut".
Yes there is. Excessive amounts of HGH make all the internal organs and intestines grow..the problem may be compounded by insulin but it is caused primarily by GH. Hence why the problem has reached epidemic proportions as the use of GH has become more prevalent.
They've performed autopsies on abusers of GH and their hearts, livers, intestines, everything, have been enlarged. It's proven beyond doubt that it does it...along with a lot else like cause abnormal bone growth and diabetes - leading to insulin problems.
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Yes there is. Excessive amounts of HGH make all the internal organs and intestines grow..the problem may be compounded by insulin but it is caused primarily by GH. Hence why the problem has reached epidemic proportions as the use of GH has become more prevalent.
They've performed autopsies on abusers of GH and their hearts, livers, intestines, everything, have been enlarged. It's proven beyond doubt that it does it...along with a lot else like cause abnormal bone growth and diabetes - leading to insulin problems.
I think someone just posted that......... ;D
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Worst GH Gut, by far, is JP Fux. Someone needs to post that photo of Fux and Nasser again, Fux's gut (viewed from the side) is wider than his shoulder girdle (viewed from the front)! :o :o :o
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Yes there is. Excessive amounts of HGH make all the internal organs and intestines grow..
Show me a study that proves that. I'll go into detail later, but it's an over production on insulin, combine it with carb loading (up to about 4000grms over a 4 or 5 day period, increases even more of a production. GH has been around for a long long time, "GH gut" didn't come around until the use of insulin was introduced!
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Show me a study that proves that. I'll go into detail later, but it's an over production on insulin, combine it with carb loading (up to about 4000grms over a 4 or 5 day period, increases even more of a production. GH has been around for a long long time, "GH gut" didn't come around until the use of insulin was introduced!
No study needed, you are walking example of gh gut..JOELOCO
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Show me a study that proves that. I'll go into detail later, but it's an over production on insulin, combine it with carb loading (up to about 4000grms over a 4 or 5 day period, increases even more of a production. GH has been around for a long long time, "GH gut" didn't come around until the use of insulin was introduced!
This seems to be more and more the consensus as of late, insulin being the culprit in the infamous "gut" so many BB'rs have these days.
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No study needed, you are walking example of gh gut..JOELOCO
Man has your posting style changed direction of late- not for the better either. :(
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Show me a study that proves that. I'll go into detail later, but it's an over production on insulin, combine it with carb loading (up to about 4000grms over a 4 or 5 day period, increases even more of a production. GH has been around for a long long time, "GH gut" didn't come around until the use of insulin was introduced!
It is an established scientific fact that excessive amounts of HGH - the kind the pro junkies use - causes organ and intestinal growth. To try to deny this is tantamount to asserting to that the earth is flat. The problem is compounded by the overeating and the insulin response caused by GH but the root cause is the pressure asserted by the intestines becoming enlarged..they've opened people up and seen the result. Can't believe that anyone would seriously deny that abusing GH on a grand scale doesn't cause this kind of growth.
Carb loading and insulin have been around a long time too.
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Man has your posting style changed direction of late- not for the better either. :(
Hello Youngblood aka Coach aka JOELOCO
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No study needed, you are walking example of gh gut..JOELOCO
go away.
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It is an established scientific fact that excessive amounts of HGH - the kind the pro junkies use - causes organ and intestinal growth. To try to deny this is tantamount to asserting to that the earth is flat. The problem is compounded by the overeating and the insulin response caused by GH but the root cause it the pressure asserted by the intestines becoming enlarged..they've opened people up and seen the result. Can't believe that anyone would seriously deny that abusing GH on a grand scale doesn't cause this kind of growth.
Carb loading and insulin have been around a long time too.
Agreed, this argument is absurd !
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Looking at the picture I'd assume that he could wipe it...he could even choose whether to back wipe or front wipe.
Maybe BARELY in that pic, and there he looks about 340ish as he is considerably leaner than usual...keep in mind he has been up to about 400 lbs before - add 60 lbs on that and I can see him not being able to clean himself :)
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Thats why you call it workout, not funout
LOL
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Hello Youngblood aka Coach aka JOELOCO
Sorry dude, the two of us differ greatly. Just ask us our views on politics and all will be revealed. ;)
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Maybe BARELY in that pic, and there he looks about 340ish as he is considerably leaner than usual...keep in mind he has been up to about 400 lbs before - add 60 lbs on that and I can see him not being able to clean himself :)
Maybe...but look at his arms BB. The guy has fucking huge long arms (I know he's less fat here but his arms are still really long)..I just can't see how he can't wipe his shitty anus!
(http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/images/greg-kovacs.jpg)
(http://www.bodyzone.pl/foto/forum/Greg%20Kovacs.jpg)
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Sorry dude, the two of us differ greatly. Just ask us our views on politics and all will be revealed. ;)
Im obsessed with JOELOCO
I wonder when is he going to request a nick change here.
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Maybe...but look at his arms BB. The guy has fucking huge long arms (I know he's less fat here but his arms are still really long)..I just can't see how he can't wipe his shitty anus!
I think he can wipe it when he's lean, but not at 400 lbs. I can't fathom how his arms look so small in contest shape, check how big his arm looks here in an old pic I took with him:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=191144.0;attach=221993;image)
And in this pic he said he was 355 lbs....look how wide his waist is - its debatable if he coudl reach his own ass in this pic, and with an extra 45 lbs on top - looks pretty unlikely for the Kovacs Monster!
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Well..who knows? His lats are shit so I still can't see how he couldn't get at his shithole from behind..
I agree about his arms looking tiny on contest day..he looks like a gorilla one minute and a T-rex the next.
Nasser was right about one thing, the guy has some horrible camel hips
(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
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Well..who knows? His lats are shit so I still can't see how he couldn't get at his shithole from behind..
I agree about his arms looking tiny on contest day..he looks like a gorilla one minute and a T-rex the next.
Nasser was right about one thing, the guy has some horrible camel hips
(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
His lats may look like shit there but when he nears 400 lbs they are pretty massive! Did you see these pics at 385? (back shots conveniently to hide the gut) :)
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I remember seeing those pics when I used to cruise the Muscle Mayhem boards. Kovacs was one of Chad Nichols "subjects" while preparing for the Arnold.
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Insulin.
you, are an idiot.
insulin?
since when does insulin make one's internal organs grow?
every time you open your stupid mouth you make yourself look more uninformed and unintelligent than the time before.
which is an incredible feat in and of itself.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2005arnold2men102.jpg)
Art Atwood... doesn't look too bad here because I couldn't find the other pictures of it, but you can see what I mean.
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Atwood's is pretty horrendous there ^
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pl/f/f9/Ruhl.jpg)
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Yeah its too bad that Markus' physique went down hill eventually, that gut got out of hand and his already enormous abs didn't help his waistline.
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:o
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/nasser4g.jpg)
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Hahah some people on this board are not gonna like that 3rd pic ^
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(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/nassm.jpg)
(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/nasback.jpg)
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(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/nassm.jpg)
(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/nasback.jpg)
330 lbs with abs!
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330 lbs with abs!
But can he wipe his own ass?
Mind you..if he couldn't I'm sure he'd find a volunteer ;)
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It is an established scientific fact that excessive amounts of HGH - the kind the pro junkies use - causes organ and intestinal growth. To try to deny this is tantamount to asserting to that the earth is flat. The problem is compounded by the overeating and the insulin response caused by GH but the root cause is the pressure asserted by the intestines becoming enlarged..they've opened people up and seen the result. Can't believe that anyone would seriously deny that abusing GH on a grand scale doesn't cause this kind of growth.
Carb loading and insulin have been around a long time too.
If it's an established fact then there should be studies. I subscribe and have access to JAMA, AMA and BMJ, can't find a study. If you can post a link of your findings, that would be great.
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you, are an idiot.
insulin?
since when does insulin make one's internal organs grow?
every time you open your stupid mouth you make yourself look more uninformed and unintelligent than the time before.
which is an incredible feat in and of itself.
Hey stupid, where did I say insulin made organs grow? And if you're so informed and intelligent........post some proof or a link or a few case studies.
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But can he wipe his own ass?
Mind you..if he couldn't I'm sure he'd find a volunteer ;)
LOL. Of course he could. Kovacs at 400 lbs is in a league of his own in term of lack of flexibility.
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If it's an established fact then there should be studies. I subscribe and have access to JAMA, AMA and BMJ, can't find a study. If you can post a link of your findings, that would be great.
Ok..seeing as you are the first person I have come across to totally deny the fact that GH abused in huge quantities causes enlargement of the organs, intestines and often abnormal bone growth..why don't YOU post a study that proves that it is insulin alone causing these huge stomachs? That's what you assert, where is YOUR proof? ..If you can post a link of your findings, that would be great.
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Ok..seeing as you are the first person I have come across to totally deny the fact that GH abused in huge quantities causes enlargement of the organs, intestines and often abnormal bone growth..why don't YOU post a study that proves that it is insulin alone causing these huge stomachs? That's what you assert, where is YOUR proof? ..If you can post a link of your findings, that would be great.
Here's a couple.
Side Effects of Overproducing Insulin
Over production of insulin can aggravate or trigger other problems including infertility, weight gain, bloating, poor lipid profiles, hormonal imbalances, cosmetic problems (hair loss, hirsutism, skin tags, acanthosis nigricans), and contribute to more serious health risks like high blood pressure, heart problems, and an increased risk of developing diabetes, and gestational diabetes during pregnancy.
A pancreas that continually over produces insulin may also, over time, wear out, in which case a patient usually will need to take insulin.
http://www.isletsofhope.com/metabolic/insulin_resistance_1.html#side
http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/diabetes.html
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Here's a couple.
Side Effects of Overproducing Insulin
Over production of insulin can aggravate or trigger other problems including infertility, weight gain, bloating, poor lipid profiles, hormonal imbalances, cosmetic problems (hair loss, hirsutism, skin tags, acanthosis nigricans), and contribute to more serious health risks like high blood pressure, heart problems, and an increased risk of developing diabetes, and gestational diabetes during pregnancy.
A pancreas that continually over produces insulin may also, over time, wear out, in which case a patient usually will need to take insulin.
http://www.isletsofhope.com/metabolic/insulin_resistance_1.html#side
http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/diabetes.html
the title of the thread is 'worst gh gut ever'
the question was posed, what causes it.
you answered insulin.
this is your proof?
i would like to be the first to thank you proving to us all you have no idea what you are talking about. again.
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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/muzi/greg_kovacs/greg_kovac_11.jpg)
Its not the GH that made his gut like that, its most likely the mass amounts of insulin he was taking, and the large amounts of food he would eat
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Ceck out the guy on the right! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155137.0;attach=173653;image)
The alien could punch it's way out any minute!
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I think its a combination of insulin and overeating. To say its insulin alone is faulty IMO.
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I don't get it, at some point you would think these guys would say, fuck this isn't working out so well.
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Yes there is. Excessive amounts of HGH make all the internal organs and intestines grow..the problem may be compounded by insulin but it is caused primarily by GH. Hence why the problem has reached epidemic proportions as the use of GH has become more prevalent.
They've performed autopsies on abusers of GH and their hearts, livers, intestines, everything, have been enlarged. It's proven beyond doubt that it does it...along with a lot else like cause abnormal bone growth and diabetes - leading to insulin problems.
If the internal organs grow and they're not fat or muscle tissue do they stay that way when the user gets off hgh and insulin?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Male_silverback_Gorilla.JPG/270px-Male_silverback_Gorilla.JPG)
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Big guts have nothing to with internal organ growth. It's excessive visceral fat accumulation. You don't need to actually inject insulin to cause it, ask any bloke with a "beer gut".
Insulin spikes from high glycemic diets, high arachidonic acid (red meat), or insulin injection promote it, and guys "cutting" with HGH rather than diet and exercise is why it's so rampant in BB these days.
So you can call it "GH gut" or "insulin gut" and be niether wrong nor right.
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Big guts have nothing to with internal organ growth. It's excessive visceral fat accumulation. You don't need to actually inject insulin to cause it, ask any bloke with a "beer gut".
Insulin spikes from high glycemic diets, high arachidonic acid (red meat), or insulin injection promote it, and guys "cutting" with HGH rather than diet and exercise is why it's so rampant in BB these days.
So you can call it "GH gut" or "insulin gut" and be niether wrong nor right.
most sensible post in this thread.
'Growing organs' are an incredibly unlikely cause of 'gh gut'.
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alright joe, then what the hell is that ?
(http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/images/ronnie-coleman-gh-gut.jpg)
a death sentence...
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the title of the thread is 'worst gh gut ever'
the question was posed, what causes it.
you answered insulin.
this is your proof?
i would like to be the first to thank you proving to us all you have no idea what you are talking about. again.
Yeah, thats my proof and I can put up million more just like it. If you knew or understood the articals I posted you would understand how insulin works. GH gut my ass!!
Look junour, you obviously have a hard on for me or you wouldn't be blasting every post I write, it could be dark outside and you would argue the opposite just to be a pain in the ass.
BTW, where's your proof?
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a death sentence...
Yes, insulin abuse is a death sentance.
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I think its a combination of insulin and overeating. To say its insulin alone is faulty IMO.
In goes hand in hand.
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Yeah, thats my proof and I can put up million more just like it. If you knew or understood the articals I posted you would understand how insulin works. GH gut my ass!!
Look junour, you obviously have a hard on for me or you wouldn't be blasting every post I write, it could be dark outside and you would argue the opposite just to be a pain in the ass.
BTW, where's your proof?
never said i had any.
just arguing to be a pain in the ass.
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Here's a couple.
Side Effects of Overproducing Insulin
Over production of insulin can aggravate or trigger other problems including infertility, weight gain, bloating, poor lipid profiles, hormonal imbalances, cosmetic problems (hair loss, hirsutism, skin tags, acanthosis nigricans), and contribute to more serious health risks like high blood pressure, heart problems, and an increased risk of developing diabetes, and gestational diabetes during pregnancy.
A pancreas that continually over produces insulin may also, over time, wear out, in which case a patient usually will need to take insulin.
http://www.isletsofhope.com/metabolic/insulin_resistance_1.html#side
http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/diabetes.html
Yes, I know and understand all about insulin resistance, insulin spikes, diabetes and the like. That certainly doesn't amount to a 'proof' that it is the only thing responsible for the large guts of professional bodybuilders.
One of the major side effects of taking the vast amounts of HGH that bodybuilders do is the overproduction of insulin. Abusive use of GH can cause diabetes. So even if the guts are exclusively the product of insulin that still doesn't rule out the root cause being GH. Although I don't believe that insulin is the soul culprit as autopsies on those who used excessive amounts of GH have shown enlarged hearts, 30lb livers and intestinal growth.
Also, whilst I understand that what is forcing the stomach out in such an protruding manner could partly be fat storage around the organs ..there is also, uncoiled, something like half a mile of intestines behind it. When someone is at 4-6% bodyfat with clearly defined abs yet still has a giant belly, then it seems a little absurd to say that there is no possibility this huge mass of tissue hasn't grown when we know that the whole point of GH is to promote growth and the spill over effect it that it grows everything..
Gh and insulin are not mutually exclusive ..GH causes uncontrollable insulin spikes. Like I said, when you factor in the forced feeding this will exacerbate the problem but the stomachs have all coincided with the emergence of HGH..We know that it enlarges all muscles, organs , tissues and even bones when used..so why deny that it enlarges the organs and intestines behind the gut?
Personally, I think my answer is much more sound.. especially as the GH causes all the deleterious effects that you cite and that it would explain why even at ultra-low, dangerous levels of bodyfat they still have stomachs that are painfully straining and being aggressively forced out, without any ability to control it.
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Yes, I know and understand all about insulin resistance, insulin spikes, diabetes and the like. That certainly doesn't amount to a 'proof' that it is the only thing responsible for the large guts of professional bodybuilders.
One of the major side effects of taking the vast amounts of HGH that bodybuilders do is the overproduction of insulin. Abusive use of GH can cause diabetes. So even if the guts are exclusively the product of insulin that still doesn't rule out the root cause being GH. Although I don't believe that insulin is the soul culprit as autopsies on those who used excessive amounts of GH have shown enlarged hearts, 30lb livers and intestinal growth.
Also, whilst I understand that what is forcing the stomach out in such an protruding manner could partly be fat storage around the organs ..there is also, uncoiled, something like half a mile of intestines behind it. When someone is at 4-6% bodyfat with clearly defined abs yet still has a giant belly, then it seems a little absurd to say that there is no possibility this huge mass of tissue hasn't grown when we know that the whole point of GH is to promote growth and the spill over effect it that it grows everything..
Gh and insulin are not mutually exclusive ..GH causes uncontrollable insulin spikes. Like I said, when you factor in the forced feeding this will exacerbate the problem but the stomachs have all coincided with the emergence of HGH..We know that it enlarges all muscles, organs , tissues and even bones when used..so why deny that it enlarges the organs and intestines behind the gut?
Personally, I think my answer is much more sound.. especially as the GH causes all the deleterious effects that you cite and that it would explain why even at ultra-low, dangerous levels of bodyfat they still have stomachs that are painfully straining and being aggressively forced out, without any ability to control it.
Then if you understand how insulin works, then you understand being reletivly carb deficit leading up to the final week or so before a show, then approximately 4-5 days prior to the show, increasing the carb intake to sometimes up to 4-5000 grms over the course of the 4-5 days acts as a stimulant (actually is considered a stimulant) and increases the sensitivity, then add ECA and Clen which increases even more sensitivity.....and if they load insulin along with the carb load phase.....results are big, bloated, hard belly. Yes, I know the effects of the HGH and insulin as well (I posted an article yesterday on the effects of acromegley) but like I said, most of the articles I pulled up from JAMA and BMJ had nothing on organ growth.
Plain and simple........insulin overproduction. Also, from the studies I've read on insulin, the way these guys are taking it (even at 20iu's) is much worse than AAS over the long haul. One of the problems also is there is hardly any case studies reguarding BBers in reguards to the sometimes massive intake of GH and Insulin. I do have one, I will find it and post it, I posted it once before.
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LOL since GH causes the human body to increase it's cellular reproduction and growth....
That means all over the body including the internal organs in most cases, causing the very common GH gut.
never been proven. most likely cause is insulin
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It isn't plain and simple at all. These stomachs are more than just bloated - although it is obviously a factor. However, bodybuilders have been carb loading for years and maintained the ability to perform poses like the stomach vacuum..they've been using clen and all sorts of drugs..without the emergence of the stomachs.
You seem so set on it solely being insulin that you seemingly ignore the fact that HGH grows virtually all human tissue. When used in very large amounts it adds growth to muscles, organs, even bone and hair. Why do you have such difficulty understanding that it grows the intestines? They pay huge sums to buy HGH because it aids growth - you can't choose what it grows, you can't take it to only grow arms; it grows EVERTHING.
The guts are a product of increased organ and intestinal growth, insulin overproduction (which GH causes ), and the other reasons you've listed. I agree that insulin overproduction doesn't help ..in fact it's ruinous and yet another side effect.
Anyway, there is no point continuing the discussion as your response is just 'it's insulin, end of story' or 'I know about insulin' etc.. You don't even address the fact that GH causes the insulin response. Also, the reason why there haven't been huge studies of the effects of massive amounts of GH on the human body is because it would be totally unethical and illegal. It's like giving people cancer to study them.
In studies where animals were given GH their organs and bodily tissues all grew as result. Ergo the name: Growth Hormone.
Over and out.
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Also, the reason why there haven't been huge studies of the effects of massive amounts of GH on the human body is because it would be totally unethical and illegal. It's like giving people cancer to study them.
Damn, now there's an idea for all of those fuks down in gitmo.
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It isn't plain and simple at all. These stomachs are more than just bloated - although it is obviously a factor. However, bodybuilders have been carb loading for years and maintained the ability to perform poses like the stomach vacuum..they've been using clen and all sorts of drugs..without the emergence of the stomachs.
You seem so set on it solely being insulin that you seemingly ignore the fact that HGH grows virtually all human tissue. When used in very large amounts it adds growth to muscles, organs, even bone and hair. Why do you have such difficulty understanding that it grows the intestines? They pay huge sums to buy HGH because it aids growth - you can't choose what it grows, you can't take it to only grow arms; it grows EVERTHING.
The guts are a product of increased organ and intestinal growth, insulin overproduction (which GH causes ), and the other reasons you've listed. I agree that insulin overproduction doesn't help ..in fact it's ruinous and yet another side effect.
Anyway, there is no point continuing the discussion is your response is just 'it's insulin, end of story' or 'I know about insulin' etc.. You don't even address the fact that GH causes the insulin response. Also, the reason why there haven't been huge studies of the effects of massive amounts of GH on the human body is because it would be totally unethical and illegal. It's like giving people cancer to study them.
In studies where animals were given GH their organs and bodily tissues all grew as result. Ergo the name: Growth Hormone.
Over and out.
I will add that viseral fat plays a big role with these guy's stomachs. You mentioned that carb loading has been done for years, I know, I've been in and around the industry for more than 30 years and loading has been for at least as long as I have, but remember, way back when (when waists were small) carb loading was nearly like it is now, back then they might start loading a day, day and a half before, then the key was, was not to load so much to where your waist was bloated and pruposely keep the waist small.....not so today. If there in insulin involved, there has to be substantial carb intake.
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joe - the real question is this: do you think Kovacs can wipe his own ass?
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joe - the real question is this: do you think Kovacs can wipe his own ass?
LOL.....hell no, not after looking at that picture.....geez, could you imagine actually choosing to destroy yourself like that? What could possibly be running through some of these people's minds?
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A collection of the best
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well if they ever make a final fight movie I thing kovacs would be a good choice to play haggar!
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/muzi/greg_kovacs/greg_kovac_11.jpg)
(http://www.vgfreak.com/images/favgames/haggar.gif)
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never been proven. most likely cause is insulin
Wait wait wait ... HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE has never been proven to make cells grow ???
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Wait wait wait ... HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE has never been proven to make cells grow ???
::)......never been proven that it makes organs grow.
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HELLO JOELOCO
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Man, Benz, you're one stupid S.O.B. you know that? :-X
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Man, Benz, you're one stupid S.O.B. you know that? :-X
Im the founder of TEAM JOELOCO
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Im the founder of TEAM JOELOCO
And only member....
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And only member....
Hello commie
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Fux had one as well
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Fux had one as well
He sure did and that is exactly what ruined him. Way to much IGF-1 abuse. Kovacs by far has the worst belly.
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Fux had one as well
He didn't have a belly. The belly had him 8)
From which show is this footage?
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::)......never been proven that it makes organs grow.
LMAO
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He didn't have a belly. The belly had him 8)
From which show is this footage?
1999 Mr. Olympia
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alright joe, then what the hell is that ?
(http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/images/ronnie-coleman-gh-gut.jpg)
Oh God!!Those pics will CUE Hulkster to post 8 pages of Ronnie in 1998-1999 to show how good he was.
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Did he rub his nipples until they bled before the show?
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Hey stupid, where did I say insulin made organs grow? And if you're so informed and intelligent........post some proof or a link or a few case studies.
Not a case study, but an authoritative source, The Mayo Clinic, list these side-effects to using GH on their web site:
Are there any risks to taking human growth hormone if you don't need it?
Taking human growth hormone can cause a number of side effects, including:
1. Swelling in your arms and legs
2. Arthritis-like symptoms
3. Carpal tunnel symptoms
4. Headaches
5. Bloating
6. Muscle pain
7. Diabetes
8. Abnormal growth of bones and internal organs
9. Hardening of the arteries
10. High blood pressure
Some evidence shows that side effects of human growth hormone treatments may be more likely in older adults than in younger adults. Also, because the studies of healthy adults taking human growth hormone have been short term, it isn't clear whether these side effects could eventually dissipate or become worse. For instance, though human growth hormone produced arthritis-like symptoms, it isn't clear if this would progress into arthritis. More study is needed.
From: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/growth-hormone/HA00030)
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Here's a couple.
Side Effects of Overproducing Insulin
Over production of insulin can aggravate or trigger other problems including infertility, weight gain, bloating, poor lipid profiles, hormonal imbalances, cosmetic problems (hair loss, hirsutism, skin tags, acanthosis nigricans), and contribute to more serious health risks like high blood pressure, heart problems, and an increased risk of developing diabetes, and gestational diabetes during pregnancy.
A pancreas that continually over produces insulin may also, over time, wear out, in which case a patient usually will need to take insulin.
http://www.isletsofhope.com/metabolic/insulin_resistance_1.html#side
http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/diabetes.html
But none of that says anything about organ growth or distended bellies. So how do these studies support your conclusion that insulin causes distended abs?
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HELLO JOELOCO
lol...pretty creative
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But none of that says anything about organ growth or distended bellies. So how do these studies support your conclusion that insulin causes distended abs?
JoeLocowned.
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what the fuck is wrong with kovacs in that picture?
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this is one of the worst i've seen
remember marcus haley, good competitor but his guts fuked, check it out at 1:50secs
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sorry fukd da link up, here u go
again check it out at 1:50secs
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::)......never been proven that it makes organs grow.
IFG-1 is the culprit, mainly, abuse of Long R3 IGF-1. When this came on the scene in the mid 90's that's when you started seeing guys blow up due to overdosing, incorrect dosing times and just all around abuse. There was little research to go by so a lot of guys used themselves as guini pigs or followed what they heard from others. So they were shooting sometimes over 100mcgs at a time, sometimes on a daily basis. The general consensus for the best time to administer now is immediately post workout when the muscles are at their highest state for upregulation and IGF reception. At the time this wasn't really known so some guys were injecting in the morning or pre-workout. Injecting 100mcgs at a time causes a tremendous spillover into the rest of the body, and what part of the body has the most IGF receptors? Yup, the intestines.
This can also happen with Insulin coupled with HGH, this causes the liver to produce IGF (not Long R3 IGF) but the body has counter measures to stave off excess natural IGF production (Long R3 is different and body cannot kill off excess of this due to the amino chain makeup) and it's believed that only in extreme cases of Insulin and HGH abuse that the "perma pregnant" look can occur this way.