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In last week's democratic primary-
81% of ballots were counted on an optical scanner (machine). 19% by hand.
Hilary
machine - 40% of the vote.
hand-counted- 35% of the vote.
Obama
machine - 36% of the vote.
hand counted - 39% of the vote.
Obama won everywhere that votes were handcounted, which perfectly matched weekly, entrance, and exit polls. Hliary won where they used machines. That is statistically odd, and fishy to many.
New Hampshire has agreed to a recount! They're going to check the ballots and see if the paper backups match the optical results!
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black box voting is a huge steaming pile of dogshit
How are they going to recount paperless, electronic votes ?
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Is it possible a black man or a female will win?
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30 states currently keep paper backups of all electronic voting. These places CAN be checked. More might move to a backup system in the next year as well.
Remember in Ohio, in 2004, Kerry won all the exit polls, there was a power outage for 2 hours as votes closed, and when the power came back on, Bush had a huge lead and the win. There were paper backups there too - but Bush's team sued to prevent a recount, and the republican state legisture granted it. Those votes still haven't been counted, and there is only a statistical chance of 1 in 50,000 that Bush actually got more votes in Ohio.
Exit polls have been flawless throughout history. Until e-voting came along. And people are suing to prevent elections from being stolen now. It's a good thing. We all want our vote to count.
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move to politics board--tyvm
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Is it possible a black man or a female will win?
anything's possible. It looks like it'll be two polarizing candidates, Huckabee and HIlary. Both are pretty extreme. Mike Bloomberg is quietly setting up camp in all 50 states, doing polls and paperwork... he might be a moderate alternative if voters on both sides aren't happy with the options. hilary is shrill and loves the war, has a shady past, and many dems don't like her. huck is a religious extremist who has said things about women not deserving same rights as men.
neither option is all that great. (unless obama gets in - he'd win in a national landslide IMO)
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anything's possible. It looks like it'll be two polarizing candidates, Huckabee and HIlary. Both are pretty extreme. Mike Bloomberg is quietly setting up camp in all 50 states, doing polls and paperwork... he might be a moderate alternative if voters on both sides aren't happy with the options. hilary is shrill and loves the war, has a shady past, and many dems don't like her. huck is a religious extremist who has said things about women not deserving same rights as men.
neither option is all that great. (unless obama gets in - he'd win in a national landslide IMO)
oh brother
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its going to be Hillary vs McCain. 2 shitty candidates and the voters will not have much of an option.
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oh brother
insightful post
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Hehe. Perhaps a Diebold/political conspiracy!? Enjoy. :)
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anything's possible. It looks like it'll be two polarizing candidates, Huckabee and HIlary. Both are pretty extreme. Mike Bloomberg is quietly setting up camp in all 50 states, doing polls and paperwork... he might be a moderate alternative if voters on both sides aren't happy with the options. hilary is shrill and loves the war, has a shady past, and many dems don't like her. huck is a religious extremist who has said things about women not deserving same rights as men.
neither option is all that great. (unless obama gets in - he'd win in a national landslide IMO)
Bloomberg is an ass, a very crafty little fellow who avoids cameras at all costs because he has no charisma. He does everything quietly and backhanded. The country will be so much more commercialized,sanitized and fanchised, just like what he did to New York City. He took the heart out of the city while no one was looking.
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Bloomberg is an ass, a very crafty little fellow who avoids cameras at all costs because he has no charisma. He does everything quietly and backhanded. The country will be so much more commercialized,sanitized and fanchised, just like what he did to New York City. He took the heart out of the city while no one was looking.
Hmmm. Last time I was in your city, he was reducing the funding to the libraries. Philistine. >:(
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Great video here about election fraud. Sorry if I posted old news.
http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/08/14/watch-dan-rather-tonight-on-hdnet-8pm-est/
Theres a full version I believe, somewhere.
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In last week's democratic primary-
81% of ballots were counted on an optical scanner (machine). 19% by hand.
Hilary
machine - 40% of the vote.
hand-counted- 35% of the vote.
Obama
machine - 36% of the vote.
hand counted - 39% of the vote.
Obama won everywhere that votes were handcounted, which perfectly matched weekly, entrance, and exit polls. Hliary won where they used machines. That is statistically odd, and fishy to many.
New Hampshire has agreed to a recount! They're going to check the ballots and see if the paper backups match the optical results!
According to whom ??
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In last week's democratic primary-
81% of ballots were counted on an optical scanner (machine). 19% by hand.
Hilary
machine - 40% of the vote.
hand-counted- 35% of the vote.
Obama
machine - 36% of the vote.
hand counted - 39% of the vote.
Obama won everywhere that votes were handcounted, which perfectly matched weekly, entrance, and exit polls. Hliary won where they used machines. That is statistically odd, and fishy to many.
New Hampshire has agreed to a recount! They're going to check the ballots and see if the paper backups match the optical results!
I like how everyone just autoblamed the pollsters. guys like zogby went on The Daily Show and got skewered not to mention every other media news outlet blaming them. The week before Zobgy was praised, now it's his bad. This should have been an instant indicator of possible fraud but NOBODY wanted to go there!
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its going to be Hillary vs McCain. 2 shitty candidates and the voters will not have much of an option.
ding ding ding ding...
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yeah, i miust admit, the liberal fvcking mainstream media is bending over backwards to protect hilary here.
MSNBC spent the next day talking about 'how were we so wrong' after spending all day writing off hilary.
Today they've been blaming pollsters nonstop. Over-eager college kids, they said.
Yesterday, Olbermann put Rush on his worst persons list... for talking about a possible case of fraud in NH...
and today? lo and behold, olbermann had to swallow his tongue and report on the inconsistencies and talk about the upcoming recount.
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According to whom ??
NBC news reported on it. Conducted by numerous watchdog groups in conjunction with the state of NH. These numbers are correct - no one is dusputing them. What's being disputed is, "Why did the electronic results say something different from everything else that day"?
Since the electronic results can be manipulated instantly and the others are very hard (if not impossible) to alter, this anomaly has to be looked at.
It'd be such funny irony if the DEMS were caught cheating. Would the repubs shout for the very recount they SUED TO PREVENT in 2004? Will Hilary steal the white house- and suddenly joelocal and everyone else will become CTers for the next 4 years? haha
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if they really do a recount this is great news. eagerly awaiting results.
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NBC news reported on it. Conducted by numerous watchdog groups in conjunction with the state of NH. These numbers are correct - no one is dusputing them. What's being disputed is, "Why did the electronic results say something different from everything else that day"?
ummmm "human error" perhaps.
Machines don't feed off emotions they simply report them
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30 states currently keep paper backups of all electronic voting. These places CAN be checked. More might move to a backup system in the next year as well.
Remember in Ohio, in 2004, Kerry won all the exit polls, there was a power outage for 2 hours as votes closed, and when the power came back on, Bush had a huge lead and the win. There were paper backups there too - but Bush's team sued to prevent a recount, and the republican state legisture granted it. Those votes still haven't been counted, and there is only a statistical chance of 1 in 50,000 that Bush actually got more votes in Ohio.
Exit polls have been flawless throughout history. Until e-voting came along. And people are suing to prevent elections from being stolen now. It's a good thing. We all want our vote to count.
good post 240. very valid points. :D
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Since the 1990's and 2000 exit polls have become less usefull and are deemed a harmful tool for polling, some study was published on the matter in 2000 after Bush won.
In the 90's exit polls would always give dems a overabundant lead. Some tools become adapt to their measures.
Who's paying for this re-count?
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ummmm "human error" perhaps.
Machines don't feed off emotions they simply report them
Nice answer. ::)
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Since the 1990's and 2000 exit polls have become less usefull and are deemed a harmful tool for polling, some study was published on the matter in 2000 after Bush won.
In the 90's exit polls would always give dems a overabundant lead. Some tools become adapt to their measures.
Who's paying for this re-count?
It took me 2 second s to find this information, if more people took the time to investigate things themselves the world wouldnt be so fucking stupid when it comes to other things like war and the economy.
Candidates who lose by 3 percentage or less are entitled to a recount for a $2,000 fee. Candidates who lose by more must pay for the full cost. Kucinich's campaign said it was sending the $2,000 fee to start the recount.
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A $2,000 fee?
Richardson beat him by 9k + votes, what is there to recount?
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A $2,000 fee?
Richardson beat him by 9k + votes, what is there to recount?
DK told his voters to select Obama if he had less than 15%, and many did.
DK prefers Obama to Hilary.
DK is paying the money to avoid Camp Obama looking like sore losers, which is how they'd be labeled.
If someone cheated to give hilary the win, the damage will already be done - by the time the recount comes, she'll have won more states off the belief that she's still in it.
nobody here is against a recount, seriously, are they? IMO, there should be auto-recounts anytime its close, for both parties. We want the right person to win, don't we? I was a prick in 2004.... a repub and I laughed when Bush robbed Kerry in Ohio. I knew it was cheating and I didn't care cause it was *MY* candidate winning. Now I see that it's better if the right person wins. If Huck beats Obama by recount and I chose Obama, so be it. I'd rather democracy win, than my candidate.
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ron PAul has already said a recount in NH is pointless. He said there were plenty of people in his camp that were paying close attention to the count and that at this point in time the numbers reflect what they thought they would get in that state. Doing this recount is a dangerous thing, it could really hurt computer voting or strengthen the use of them.
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so what was the result of the recount?
possibly faulty results get swept under the rug, the media IGNORES it, and smug little hillary gets away with her 'victory'.