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again gh15 getting grouped pms about the same subject of vitargo and waxy maize supplemenets,,AND AGAIN gh15 asked if they are good,,AND AGAIN gh15 will say it here in CAPITAL FOR THE BLIND THE DEAF AND THE MISGUIDED
WAXY MAIZE IS PUSH OF THE MILOSES AND THE TROPOPINS,,IT IS NOT NEEDED WHAT SO EVER,,YOU ARE A LOT BETTER WITH 4 BANANAS POST TRAINING,,WAXY MAIZE BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO SOME PEOPLE POCKETS BECAUSE THEY USE YOUR LITTLE PEA BRAIN TO MAKE BIG PROFITS,,
LABRARA RAY KEVIN MATARAZA ETC ETC NEVER USED NO WAXY MAISE,,THAT CARB IS AS GOOD AS SWEET POTATO,,GO BUY SWEET POTATOS,,ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FASTLIGHT SUPERSONIC MOLUCULE BULLCRAP DOESNT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ON ANY ONE,,THE HUMAN BODY DONT CARE TO TRANSFER SHIT INTO ITS BLOOD IN 40 SECONDS INSTED OF 4 MIN,,IT DOESNT MATTER ,,
IT IS ALL COMMERCIAL PUSH UP FROM WHITE COLOR DRUG DEALERS LIKE THE VITARGO PUSHER WHO GOT IN PRISON AND GOT BACK TO HIS THIN 180LB WEIGHT FASTER THAN A ROCK STAR
ANYTHING TO DO WITH WAXYMAISE IS CRAP ,,ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT THING ARE BIAS,,ANY USE OF THAT PRODUCT IS UNESSASARY ,,I DO UNDERSTAND YOU LIKE TO LOOK THROUGH INTERNET AND PURCHASE NICE SHINEY PRODIUCTS TO GO WITH YORU BIG HORMONE CYCLES SINCE YOU ARE BORED....BUT YOU WOULD SAVE A LOT MORE MONEY AND COULD BUY EGGWHITES INSTED,,
BANANAS AND HONEY WILL DO,,,GO TELL ARNOLD YOU WANT LOOK LIKE HIM AND FILL BEFORE COMPETITION SO YU OUSE VITARGO... ::)
NO SHAME WHAT SO EVER THESE DAYS,,PEOPLE WILL PROSTITUTE FOR MONEY,,BECAREFUL WITH THAT SHIT WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING,,YOU DONT WANT SMOOTH PUFFED UP FACE AND FLAB BELLY LOOK WHILE THE PUSHERS OF THIS SHIT EATING THEIR SUSHI AND BUYING THEIR MONTHLY WHORE HER SUSHI FROM YOUR MONEY
WHILE THEY PUSH YOU THE WAXY ,,THEY AT THE SAME TIME ORDERING DYAZIDE AND TESTOVIS,,WHILE THEY PUSH YOU YOUR VITARGO THEY AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING FOR HGH LIKE DOGS IN HEAT! REMEMBER THAT FRIENDS
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How to start a PM to GH15:
Dear Nasser,
;D ;D ;D
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gh15, what about if you use insulin? You eat potatoes, bananas etc to cover the Humalog?
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GH makes some very good points...it seems like every couple of months there is a new systems of getting carbs into the system faster.
dextrose,malto, wazy, vitargo..I can't imagine that in non competitors the difference being significant..and competitors use more "potent" stuff
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GH15, what would recommend eating pre/post workout??
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well van bilderass asked it before i could.
tell us then what could be a better alternative to cover the slin use (starting at 20u) and when (timeframe) to ingest etc
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GH bringing the brutal truth once again, he is the supplement hucksters worst nightmare because he tells it like it is.
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The same nitwits that buy the vitargo and waxy maze also buy the supps that boost test levels 5,000% and guarantee you to look like Ronnie in 3 months or less. PT Barnum is sooooo right.
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gh15 im not sure if you've answered this or not but can you tell us wat you take everyday for otc supplements?
or what your everyday grocerys like?
thank you gh15!
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gh15 im not sure if you've answered this or not but can you tell us wat you take everyday for otc supplements?
or what your everyday grocerys like?
thank you gh15!
he's already said that he and most other pros eat a lot of Chinese, Pizza Hut, cheeseburgers, jamaican food, mexican food, sushi, the high calorie tasty stuff and when you're cutting just clean up the diet a bit, it ain't rocket science, you need calories to grow and to make use of the hormones.
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THEY USE YOUR LITTLE PEA BRAIN TO MAKE BIG PROFITS,,
;D
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he's already said that he and most other pros eat a lot of Chinese, Pizza Hut, cheeseburgers, jamaican food, mexican food, sushi, the high calorie tasty stuff and when you're cutting just clean up the diet a bit, it ain't rocket science, you need calories to grow and to make use of the hormones.
Since they aren't working with the same biochemistry as most people, don't try this at home though.
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again gh15 getting grouped pms about the same subject of vitargo and waxy maize supplemenets,,AND AGAIN gh15 asked if they are good,,AND AGAIN gh15 will say it here in CAPITAL FOR THE BLIND THE DEAF AND THE MISGUIDED
WAXY MAIZE IS PUSH OF THE MILOSES AND THE TROPOPINS,,IT IS NOT NEEDED WHAT SO EVER,,YOU ARE A LOT BETTER WITH 4 BANANAS POST TRAINING,,WAXY MAIZE BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO SOME PEOPLE POCKETS BECAUSE THEY USE YOUR LITTLE PEA BRAIN TO MAKE BIG PROFITS,,
LABRARA RAY KEVIN MATARAZA ETC ETC NEVER USED NO WAXY MAISE,,THAT CARB IS AS GOOD AS SWEET POTATO,,GO BUY SWEET POTATOS,,ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FASTLIGHT SUPERSONIC MOLUCULE BULLCRAP DOESNT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ON ANY ONE,,THE HUMAN BODY DONT CARE TO TRANSFER SHIT INTO ITS BLOOD IN 40 SECONDS INSTED OF 4 MIN,,IT DOESNT MATTER ,,
IT IS ALL COMMERCIAL PUSH UP FROM WHITE COLOR DRUG DEALERS LIKE THE VITARGO PUSHER WHO GOT IN PRISON AND GOT BACK TO HIS THIN 180LB WEIGHT FASTER THAN A ROCK STAR
ANYTHING TO DO WITH WAXYMAISE IS CRAP ,,ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT THING ARE BIAS,,ANY USE OF THAT PRODUCT IS UNESSASARY ,,I DO UNDERSTAND YOU LIKE TO LOOK THROUGH INTERNET AND PURCHASE NICE SHINEY PRODIUCTS TO GO WITH YORU BIG HORMONE CYCLES SINCE YOU ARE BORED....BUT YOU WOULD SAVE A LOT MORE MONEY AND COULD BUY EGGWHITES INSTED,,
BANANAS AND HONEY WILL DO,,,GO TELL ARNOLD YOU WANT LOOK LIKE HIM AND FILL BEFORE COMPETITION SO YU OUSE VITARGO... ::)
NO SHAME WHAT SO EVER THESE DAYS,,PEOPLE WILL PROSTITUTE FOR MONEY,,BECAREFUL WITH THAT SHIT WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING,,YOU DONT WANT SMOOTH PUFFED UP FACE AND FLAB BELLY LOOK WHILE THE PUSHERS OF THIS SHIT EATING THEIR SUSHI AND BUYING THEIR MONTHLY WHORE HER SUSHI FROM YOUR MONEY
WHILE THEY PUSH YOU THE WAXY ,,THEY AT THE SAME TIME ORDERING DYAZIDE AND TESTOVIS,,WHILE THEY PUSH YOU YOUR VITARGO THEY AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING FOR HGH LIKE DOGS IN HEAT! REMEMBER THAT FRIENDS
Great english ::)
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gh15 im not sure if you've answered this or not but can you tell us wat you take everyday for otc supplements?
or what your everyday grocerys like?
thank you gh15!
vitamins ,,if i take aminos i drink them,,sometimes protien powder if im tired of eggwhites but mostly eggwhite and sometimes soy protien products ,,i try to avoid milk protien when prep
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GH15, what would recommend eating pre/post workout??
pre is regular meal coupl e hours before up to 45 min before depending on your metasbolism,,
post,,i like bananas and ananas,,fast easy sugar but preferably from natural sources,,then oats and protien try to keep tit in form of eggwhites since egwhites will actually be absorbed,,it got to be liquified eggwhite not raw since its absorbed better by the body and no chance what so evere for salmonila
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gh15, what about if you use insulin? You eat potatoes, bananas etc to cover the Humalog?
ananas,,bananas,,limited amount of sugary drink as in part of it,,potatos and complex carbs i eat later
in general i keep rice at 700-800 gram offseason and go down from there fror prep,,rest of over the counter supplements i do for comercial and contract purposes such as cratine and glutamine and even i did vitrago but its for money i dont actually use them on regular basis
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ananas,,bananas,,limited amount of sugary drink as in part of it,,potatos and complex carbs i eat later
in general i keep rice at 700-800 gram offseason and go down from there fror prep,,rest of over the counter supplements i do for comercial and contract purposes such as cratine and glutamine and even i did vitrago but its for money i dont actually use them on regular basis
ananas = serbo-croat word for pineapple.
which would either make you nasser or milos, correct?
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ask a german how he or she describe pineapple and you will hear lots of ananas,,same for almost everyone in europe and middle east
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ananas = serbo-croat word for pineapple.
which would either make you nasser or milos, correct?
in french we say ananas too
so maybe GH15 is Gerard Depardieu :o
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in french we say ananas too
En quebecois aussi?
Faut dire, votre language ressemble de moins en moins au français :).
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pre is regular meal coupl e hours before up to 45 min before depending on your metasbolism,,
post,,i like bananas and ananas,,fast easy sugar but preferably from natural sources,,then oats and protien try to keep tit in form of eggwhites since egwhites will actually be absorbed,,it got to be liquified eggwhite not raw since its absorbed better by the body and no chance what so evere for salmonila
wanna try my banana brother15?
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Finally someone supports my claim that all this supplement crap with insulin is garbage! Food is just as good as taking this crap, thanks gh15.
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ananas,,bananas,,limited amount of sugary drink as in part of it,,potatos and complex carbs i eat later
in general i keep rice at 700-800 gram offseason and go down from there fror prep,,rest of over the counter supplements i do for comercial and contract purposes such as cratine and glutamine and even i did vitrago but its for money i dont actually use them on regular basis
really. i thought papaya was your secret ;D
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En quebecois aussi?
Faut dire, votre language ressemble de moins en moins au français :).
haha on a un language unique 8)
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haha on a un language unique 8)
ça c’est sur ! :)
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It's ananas in swedish too. It proves nothing, sorry.
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vitamins ,,if i take aminos i drink them,,sometimes protien powder if im tired of eggwhites but mostly eggwhite and sometimes soy protien products ,,i try to avoid milk protien when prep
i love soy protein n was eating block of tofu now n than till i read some where it might elevate estrogen? do i have anything to worry or is that only for hormone users? maybe just a hoax because women use soybeans instead of those menapause pills?(sorry don't know how2spell)
thanks gh15 for answering my noobie questions!
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i love soy protein n was eating block of tofu now n than till i read some where it might elevate estrogen? do i have anything to worry or is that only for hormone users? maybe just a hoax because women use soybeans instead of those menapause pills?(sorry don't know how2spell)
thanks gh15 for answering my noobie questions!
first off estrogen is good for growth,,second its all rumors today it elevates tomorrow it cause cnacer next day its a miricle needed to part of baby milk ,,i like hand on doctors and surgons not bunch of researchers who say everything is bad for you
also if you use anti estrogen and aromatase inhibitors you can swim in tofu and you can eat tofu eggrols all day long and you wont see no estrogen because it will be down at the 20% level where you wil consistenly look harder and dryer than most males,,,thats how fitness girls etc can look hard,,they eliminate and reduce estrogen in their bodies,,otherwize they would be walking chubb chubbs on in the more lucky ones walking flab flabs
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fructose doesn't trigger insulin as good as other carbs.
Isn't it more convenient to drink a shake with protein powder and waxy maize instead of eating 4 sweet potatoes after WO?
Just my 2cents.
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fructose doesn't trigger insulin as good as other carbs.
Isn't it more convenient to drink a shake with protein powder and waxy maize instead of eating 4 sweet potatoes after WO?
Just my 2cents.
I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? ::)
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I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? ::)
eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!
You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. ;D ;D
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eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!
You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. ;D ;D
why would you feel like shit?
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I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? ::)
always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10
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eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!
You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. ;D ;D
I mean I do not know who this gh15 is, nor do I care, but obviously he has the time and money to eat 4 banannas or sweet potatoes and egg whites and/or steak. Realistically, most people on here are NOT going to do that. He is giving us advice as though we are all going to step on the Mr. O stage. Hell, most people will never even step on aa amateur stage, including me. I have had good results with waxy maize, protein shake and creatine post workout, so I shall stick to that.
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BANANAS AND HONEY WILL DO,,,GO TELL ARNOLD YOU WANT LOOK LIKE HIM AND FILL BEFORE COMPETITION SO YU OUSE VITARGO... ::)
Hey, I'm as big of an Arnold fan as anyone but that's a bad example IMO.
Asking "what would Arnold do" is not always the best question to ask.
Arnold was/is fantastic but as a BB he lived by the seat of his pants...there was no strategy like there is today. If Arnold was a BB today, he'd be twice as big, more ripped and even more champion then he already is.
Think about it, if you asked Arnold how many sets to do when you trained shoulders, he'd say something like 20-25 sets 3x/wk. And yes, it worked for Arnold, but it is not the best way for most...and he would have been even better if he had known what we know now.
As for the stuff in question...seems like decent stuff IMO. But I agree, it is not a necessity and you can get the job done without it.
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always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10
I've heard some say $30k for Olympia prep, but most of that going for GH
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always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10
I am not saying powder is better than real food. What I am saying is people live in "real life" and you cannot always get in a meal postworkout. Sometimes people that do not live, breathe and eat sleep bodybuilding like you might do, have to make the necessary adjustments. I do not want to step on a stage, nor do I ever want to be a competitive bodybuilder, so most people are not as anal about their PWO meal as you are. I am not knocking you, but you are not talking realistically!
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why would you feel like shit?
eat that amount of food right after a training?
no thanks. I would feel like shit. 1-2 hours after is ok, but not directly after.
After WO, i want it convenient. I am absolutely for more real food, but not before, during or after WO.
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in french we say ananas too
so maybe GH15 is Gerard Depardieu :o
Hey Jean-Guy comment ça va? Es-tu une pepper tabarnac?
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I've heard some say $30k for Olympia prep, but most of that going for GH
oh the 5000$ is prep for local regional simple competition ,,its not for big competition multiply the 5000 times 5 to get to a big competitioon expenses for guys who go far ,,,muscle got to be maintasined and developed while food intake persistant and clean enough and that = lots of money ,,if you dont eat clan it will sot you even more money to try to come in shape and even then you wont be able to because the other guys ate right in the prep ,,so you are out of money and out of placings
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I have to disagree with GH15 this time. Almost every pro bodybuilder I know uses Waixey Maze Starch, I have witenssed them taking it.Jay Cutler takes 40 grams of Waixey Maze before, then after training. Toney Freman uses it daily, and even used it at the Arnold to carb, up.Gustave Vadell uses it with Whey protein Isolate, in a shake right after training. The list goes on and on.I am good friends with Art Atwood and he was at my booth last year at the Arnold, and he supplies, almost every pro bodybuilder out there with Vitargo, they would come by the booth, and talk openely about there Vitargo use.I have 5000 lbs of Waixey Maize starch in stock at all times because I supply, alto of pro, and national level athletes with Waixey Maze Starch.
I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.But now the prices have come down, and it is alot more reasonable to purchase.You just have to be careful because alot of the Waizey Maze isnt real its just Corn Starch.
The bottom line is I have been using waxey Maze Starch for over 3 years now, every day, and I swear by it.Not everybody can stop and cook oatmeal, or bake a potato 6-8 times a day. So you just get some good protein powder, add some Waxey Maze Starch, and you have good protein and good carbs in less them 60 seconds.
GH 15 what is better for some who is very busy, and always on the go? Maltodextrin,? Dextrose? lol lol.please.Waxey Maize Starch is here to stay, because it works ,its convenient, and now its becoming cost effective.
Bodybulding and supplements have evolved if Arnold had Waxey Maze Starch, trust me he would have taken it.Just like if Arnold had Whey protein Isolate he would have taken that aswell.
I am not trying to sell Waxey Maze Starch on the board, because my company doesnt deal with consumers, because we are strickyl a manufacture.I just dont want Waxey Maize Starch to get a bad rap, because of some idot on chat boards says it doesnt work.
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eat that amount of food right after a training?
no thanks. I would feel like shit. 1-2 hours after is ok, but not directly after.
After WO, i want it convenient. I am absolutely for more real food, but not before, during or after WO.
Based on some of his previous posts I think he means to eat 4 bananas right after training, then the egg whites or steak meal doesn't come until 3 hours later
Also you say you're natural...well when you're not you have a much bigger appetite. A juiced up BBer shouldn't have problems getting that food down
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Based on some of his previous posts I think he means to eat 4 bananas right after training, then the egg whites or steak meal doesn't come until 3 hours later
haha, ok.
So no protein after WO?
basically, all i want to say is, WHY NOT take waxy maize/vitargo PWO? It's convenient and doesn't hurt.
If you have no money for supps, you stay with bananas, good. If you shoot up 25i.u. slin PWO, you don't need the vitargo probably.
;D ;D
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haha, ok.
So no protein after WO?
basically, all i want to say is, WHY NOT take waxy maize/vitargo PWO? It's convenient and doesn't hurt.
If you have no money for supps, you stay with bananas, good. If you shoot up 25i.u. slin PWO, you don't need the vitargo probably.
;D ;D
That waxy maize/vitargo stuff is expensive, if you like it use it...but i don't know man, I wonder how much of that stuff you really need. I mean look at mesmorph78, he has an awesome natty physique and he only eats twice a day, no supps or anything. I know a bunch of other guys natural and not who don't use supps and look great
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I have to disagree with GH15 this time. Almost every pro bodybuilder I know uses Waixey Maze Starch, I have witenssed them taking it.Jay Cutler takes 40 grams of Waixey Maze before, then after training. Toney Freman uses it daily, and even used it at the Arnold to carb, up.Gustave Vadell uses it with Whey protein Isolate, in a shake right after training. The list goes on and on.I am good friends with Art Atwood and he was at my booth last year at the Arnold, and he supplies, almost every pro bodybuilder out there with Vitargo, they would come by the booth, and talk openely about there Vitargo use.I have 5000 lbs of Waixey Maize starch in stock at all times because I supply, alto of pro, and national level athletes with Waixey Maze Starch.
I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.But now the prices have come down, and it is alot more reasonable to purchase.You just have to be careful because alot of the Waizey Maze isnt real its just Corn Starch.
The bottom line is I have been using waxey Maze Starch for over 3 years now, every day, and I swear by it.Not everybody can stop and cook oatmeal, or bake a potato 6-8 times a day. So you just get some good protein powder, add some Waxey Maze Starch, and you have good protein and good carbs in less them 60 seconds.
GH 15 what is better for some who is very busy, and always on the go? Maltodextrin,? Dextrose? lol lol.please.Waxey Maize Starch is here to stay, because it works ,its convenient, and now its becoming cost effective.
Bodybulding and supplements have evolved if Arnold had Waxey Maze Starch, trust me he would have taken it.Just like if Arnold had Whey protein Isolate he would have taken that aswell.
I am not trying to sell Waxey Maze Starch on the board, because my company doesnt deal with consumers, because we are strickyl a manufacture.I just dont want Waxey Maize Starch to get a bad rap, because of some idot on chat boards says it doesnt work.
im very aware of who and who use waxy maize and indeed many professional and top amatuer and low amatuer use it,,the waxy mazie is real in most cases,,but! look at the phsyiqes you see of the people you mentioned they wouldnt hold a candle to any physiqes from the late 80s and 90s,,the physiqe getting worse and worse because of insulin and gh use in enourmous doiages and the waxymaize use is also part of this bigger is beter approach ,,when you take insulin you better know what you doing and not stuff in you 4 scoops of waxy maize post inhjection ,,many of the guys now overdiue everything,,look at shari look at jason,,its all the same,,rubbery puffy smooth i dont even call it muscle,,1 single banana eill be ebough with the slin shot nothing more is needed!! ,,sometimes 2-3 if you really use enourmous use of insulin ,, oats will do you body good a lot better than waxy maize,,
so to conclude this YES MANY USE IT,,BUT! LOOK AROUND YOU AND JUST SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN RELASHION TO THE PAST,,dont you notice that only one single thing grew since the early 90s?? the only thing that grew is the BELLY!
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That waxy maize/vitargo stuff is expensive, if you like it use it...but i don't know man, I wonder how much of that stuff you really need. I mean look at mesmorph78, he has an awesome natty physique and he only eats twice a day, no supps or anything. I know a bunch of other guys natural and not who don't use supps and look great
jamaican ofood is very anabolic,,just take a look at ox tail and the thick noodles it has in it mushed with rice and the beef ,,that stuff will grow you better than any garbage powder out there that ofcourse come from comunist china or other third world country where it cost 1 cent to produce ,,
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GH15, you claim to be a pro bodybuilder, yet you hide your idenity.IF, and thats a big if you were a legitmate pro bodybuilder, you would know that Waxey Maize Starch or Vitargo is ONE of the supplement most pro bodybuildersand national level actually use .GH 15 read alot of your post, and I would agree with alot of what you say, even though you are a little off the wall at times. But this time your wrong, when it comes to Waxey Maize Starch.There are alot of scams in the supplement industry, like CEM,BuckWheat protein the liquid protein in those Test tube vials and all of Muscle Techs products.But Waxey Maize Starch isnt one of them.In the suppelement industry if it works the FDA bans it .So its getting harder and harder to make supplement that actually work.Supplements I feel are really really good are Kre-Alkalyn, Waxey Maize, BCAAS,Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Ephedra (ECA) Fermermented L-Glutamine and Lohan Kao ( a all natural sweetener from China).The supplement I listed arent fancy, but they are convenient, and offer real world results.
Waxey Maize Starch is the "Whey Isolate" of carbohydrates, for people who cannot eat 6-8 solid meals a day. Before Waxey Maize Starch bodybuilders had to use Maltodextrin, Dextrose, and had to scamble to get good quality carbohydrates.With Waxey Maize Starch, you can just add it to a good protein powder, and blend it, and your done.
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I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.
What is the molecular weight of your waxy maize? Do you have proof it performs as well as Vitargo? You know why Vitargo costs so much? Because they actually funded studies on it!
You can't say there is a lot of research backing your waxy maize.
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jamaican ofood is very anabolic,,just take a look at ox tail and the thick noodles it has in it mushed with rice and the beef ,,that stuff will grow you better than any garbage powder out there that ofcourse come from comunist china or other third world country where it cost 1 cent to produce ,,
paraguayan food
asado! ( roasted beef) and sweet potatoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eat it till you drop
and cheap as fuck :)
also good as hell :)
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GH15, you claim to be a pro bodybuilder, yet you hide your idenity.IF, and thats a big if you were a legitmate pro bodybuilder, you would know that Waxey Maize Starch or Vitargo is ONE of the supplement most pro bodybuildersand national level actually use .GH 15 read alot of your post, and I would agree with alot of what you say, even though you are a little off the wall at times. But this time your wrong, when it comes to Waxey Maize Starch.There are alot of scams in the supplement industry, like CEM,BuckWheat protein the liquid protein in those Test tube vials and all of Muscle Techs products.But Waxey Maize Starch isnt one of them.In the suppelement industry if it works the FDA bans it .So its getting harder and harder to make supplement that actually work.Supplements I feel are really really good are Kre-Alkalyn, Waxey Maize, BCAAS,Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Ephedra (ECA) Fermermented L-Glutamine and Lohan Kao ( a all natural sweetener from China).The supplement I listed arent fancy, but they are convenient, and offer real world results.
Waxey Maize Starch is the "Whey Isolate" of carbohydrates, for people who cannot eat 6-8 solid meals a day. Before Waxey Maize Starch bodybuilders had to use Maltodextrin, Dextrose, and had to scamble to get good quality carbohydrates.With Waxey Maize Starch, you can just add it to a good protein powder, and blend it, and your done.
don't try to talk sense to this gimmick he ain't no pro holy cow he's dumb.
waixy maize is ten times the carb of any other and easier to control...all dumbnuts would have to do is get a blood glucose meter and he'd discover the secret to waixy and insulin...
kid15 give the shit up man you are dumb...
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The reason Vitargo costs so much is #1 they had control of the market, so they figured they could charge as much as they wanted for it #2 the sipping from Sweden to the USA, is very expensive, so that added to the cost of Vitargo.
As my "source "for Waxey Maize it is legitimate, lets just say my Waxey Maize isnt made in the USA ;D .I found that if you mill the Waxet Maize Starch down to a finer powder it doesnt clump in the blender or the glass like Vitargo does. Yet has the same great effects as Vitargo.I think the Swedes have a great concept, the only problem was they gave Nutrex the exclusive right to using the product with Creatine.This discouraged alot of companies from using and making great products with it. Nutrex Vitargo isnt a bad product, but its not great either, because they are using it with Chinese creatine.Which if you didnt know only costs $5 per kilo.If they were smart they would have used Kre-ALkalyn ,this way they would have the best carbohydrate with the best creatine. This would be a win-win situation.It doesnt do any good to transport cheap creatine in the body, it will still cause bloating, and cramping.Art Atwood did quite well with his Vitargo because he sold it by itself, so people could add it to there protein ,L-Glutamine, and Kre-Alkalyn if they were smart.But they wouldnt let Art, use it with Creatine, and were hesistant to let him mix it with other things.
If the Swedes were smart they would have made the price reasonable, and let other companies have better access to it.Now its to late, because other companies found a way to make Waxey Maize Starch, availabe to other companies..Plus they made it more affordable.It was only a matter of time,before some one would duplicate Vitargo.
Trust me in this world anything and anybody can be duplicated or repaced, its all about the $$$$$.
Jason Armstrong, I couldnt have said it better myself 8), keep up the good work....God bless ....John
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The reason Vitargo costs so much is #1 they had control of the market, so they figured they could charge as much as they wanted for it #2 the sipping from Sweden to the USA, is very expensive, so that added to the cost of Vitargo.
As my "source "for Waxey Maize it is legitimate, lets just say my Waxey Maize isnt made in the USA ;D .I found that if you mill the Waxet Maize Starch down to a finer powder it doesnt clump in the blender or the glass like Vitargo does. Yet has the same great effects as Vitargo.I think the Swedes have a great concept, the only problem was they gave Nutrex the exclusive right to using the product with Creatine.This discouraged alot of companies from using and making great products with it. Nutrex Vitargo isnt a bad product, but its not great either, because they are using it with Chinese creatine.Which if you didnt know only costs $5 per kilo.If they were smart they would have used Kre-ALkalyn ,this way they would have the best carbohydrate with the best creatine. This would be a win-win situation.It doesnt do any good to transport cheap creatine in the body, it will still cause bloating, and cramping.Art Atwood did quite well with his Vitargo because he sold it by itself, so people could add it to there protein ,L-Glutamine, and Kre-Alkalyn if they were smart.But they wouldnt let Art, use it with Creatine, and were hesistant to let him mix it with other things.
If the Swedes were smart they would have made the price reasonable, and let other companies have better access to it.Now its to late, because other companies found a way to make Waxey Maize Starch, availabe to other companies..Plus they made it more affordable.It was only a matter of time,before some one would duplicate Vitargo.
Trust me in this world anything and anybody can be duplicated or repaced, its all about the $$$$$.
Jason Armstrong, I couldnt have said it better myself 8), keep up the good work....God bless ....John
You mentioning Kre-Alkalyn made me think of something. They do the same thing as Vitargo. Charge unreasonably much for a blend of creatine monohydrate and bicarbonate (the patent is on the net so we basically know what it is). You can make your own Kre-Alkalyn much cheaper just using these two ingredients. So you're right, anything can be duplicated. :D
BTW, Vitargo changed their carb source to barley. I think it's the manufacturing process that's patented.
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First of all I know Jeff Golini quite well, and trust me there is alot more to Kre-Alkalyn then meets the eye.Jeff will never give up the "real secret to Kre-Alkalyn, he is going to take that one to the grave.If you think Kre-Alkalyn is just a bicarbonate, you easily fooled.The real reason Kre-Alaklyn works so well is they are using American creatine, no Chinese creatine.If you remember beack in 1994-1995, when Bill Philips came out with Phospahgen it really friggin worked.Why, because back they it was made in the USA, so it didnt have Lead and Aresenic.Plus back then they Assayed every batch, and didnt rush the drying process.Today Creatine is mass produced in China, and pretty much all of it is garbage.Chinese creatine does not work!!!You might aswell just take baking soda.Creatine isnt expensive to make , heck its only made up of 3 Amino Acids ,they are - Arginine, Glycine and Methionine.What is important in making creatine monohdrate, is not to rush the drying process.Because by rushing the drying process of the creatine would take away from the potency of the product.Back then Creatine was really a fine mesh and sparkeled, because it was anhydrous.This meant it contained less moisture, and more potent. A little trick the Chinese are known to do is add moisture to the creatine, this way they can get 6-15% more weight from the raw material.So creatine is not creatine.It may only be made up of only 3 diffrent Amino Acids, but how it is manufatured, and dried, makes a world of diffrence
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ask a german how he or she describe pineapple and you will hear lots of ananas,,same for almost everyone in europe and middle east
Europe to include the former Yugoslavia... Ananas is the Srbo Croation word for bananas... A little slip there from Nasser. He may type poorly to try and throw people off the scent but I think that was a bit of a slip up thus making it more obvious who the mysterious GH15 is.
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don't try to talk sense to this gimmick he ain't no pro holy cow he's dumb.
waixy maize is ten times the carb of any other and easier to control...all dumbnuts would have to do is get a blood glucose meter and he'd discover the secret to waixy and insulin...
kid15 give the shit up man you are dumb...
are you getting commissions from muscletech?
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First of all I know Jeff Golini quite well, and trust me there is alot more to Kre-Alkalyn then meets the eye.Jeff will never give up the "real secret to Kre-Alkalyn, he is going to take that one to the grave.If you think Kre-Alkalyn is just a bicarbonate, you easily fooled.The real reason Kre-Alaklyn works so well is they are using American creatine, no Chinese creatine.If you remember beack in 1994-1995, when Bill Philips came out with Phospahgen it really friggin worked.Why, because back they it was made in the USA, so it didnt have Lead and Aresenic.Plus back then they Assayed every batch, and didnt rush the drying process.Today Creatine is mass produced in China, and pretty much all of it is garbage.Chinese creatine does not work!!!You might aswell just take baking soda.Creatine isnt expensive to make , heck its only made up of 3 Amino Acids ,they are - Arginine, Glycine and Methionine.What is important in making creatine monohdrate, is not to rush the drying process.Because by rushing the drying process of the creatine would take away from the potency of the product.Back then Creatine was really a fine mesh and sparkeled, because it was anhydrous.This meant it contained less moisture, and more potent. A little trick the Chinese are known to do is add moisture to the creatine, this way they can get 6-15% more weight from the raw material.So creatine is not creatine.It may only be made up of only 3 diffrent Amino Acids, but how it is manufatured, and dried, makes a world of diffrence
As far as I know German Creapure is the gold standard for creatine.
Saying Kre-Alkalyn has some secret to it is ridiculous IMO. So how come you can say Vitargo can be duplicated but not Kre-Alkalyn? If only Jeff Golini knows the secret then how do you know it's so great? Have there been any studies showing it's better than plain monohydrate for anything? Actually a recent study showed Kre-Alkalyn converted to creatinine faster than mono!
Isn't Jeff Golini the guy who sells that Liquid Beef Amino bullshit? Made out of cow fetuses.
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friend you got to understand that jason armstrong has a sellin gpitch in this ,,almost all the people that will interfer with what gh15 says have selling pitch or having their income based on those so called miricles,,
again gh15 is god when it comes to bodybuilding,,i have been there i know what it takess to be among the best i been the best,,the person that brought pure vitargo is a conficted fellon and a thin boney guy with out the use of drugs yet pushed this as the miricle of all miricles,,NO IT IS NOT,,yes it has been used by many and still does,,YES IT IS GOOD but no it is no miricle and it is not THE BEST THING BECAUSE FRUITS AND REAL FOOD ARE JUST AS GOOD!
stop putting those new bodybuilders and mainly good kids in illusion! you are posion for society ,,you are walking fellons that turn to christianity for savory and continue to do crimes via supplement crap that dont do shit in most cases,,
friends,,i am not here to debate this particular points,,my law is finite ,,my words have substance,,my words have a lot of personal experience from years upon years in the top tier (as you call it) competition
i have no reason to lie,,i got no selling pitch ,,all waxy maize is same andwether its from pure protien or from other companies its all the same and it works but! nothing you cant achieve with out it!
the main point when gh15 tell you something is to shut up and digest it for a week or simply try it and see after you spend money that gh15 was right AS USUAL,,
the fact im narcisistic and concited ,,the fact im a hormone authority ,,the fact im a rebel among bunch of sheep that try to do same scam to earn lot of $ ...doesnt mean it is not the truth,,
champs are not built on vitargos,,champs are built on the combination or food ,,trainning,, and LOT OF HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,
champ is what you want to be,,
dreamer is what they want you to be
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"again gh15 is god when it comes to bodybuilding"
;D
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by the way ....creatine is garbage in any form !,,it is straight out bloat to midsection with aslight strength increase due to slight water retention that will last for the 3 weeks youre on it and fade away the 3rd day you are off it,,it is not size what so ever ,,not remoteluy similar to dianabol which is real water size from within the muscle and also outside the muscle,,dianabol is the real creatine!
bcaa is ok ,,waxy mazie is ok too but better to load on fruits banana ananas honey etc
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by the way ....creatine is garbage in any form !,,it is straight out bloat to midsection with aslight strength increase due to slight water retention that will last for the 3 weeks youre on it and fade away the 3rd day you are off it,,it is not size what so ever ,,not remoteluy similar to dianabol which is real water size from within the muscle and also outside the muscle,,dianabol is the real creatine!
bcaa is ok ,,waxy mazie is ok too but better to load on fruits banana ananas honey etc
Well, can you ascertain with 100% certainty that your opinion of creatine applies to all?
Also, if you could pick ONE supplement which you think is pretty damn good, which one would it be (if there is one)??
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Well, can you ascertain with 100% certainty that your opinion of creatine applies to all?
Also, if you could pick ONE supplement which you think is pretty damn good, which one would it be (if there is one)??
vitamins with digestive enzymes aspect to all the food can be broken down easyier and more effieicnt when trying to grow
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vitamins with digestive enzymes aspect to all the food can be broken down easyier and more effieicnt when trying to grow
Okay! I mean yea, vitamins are good for you Captain Obvious, but which type specifically? Your answer "vitamins" only narrowed it down to a number in the thousands ::)
Okay, it was answered above I see :)
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bcaa is ok ,,
What's the point? If you get enough protein what's the benefit of taking BCAA's in isolated form? I really don't see any, since you're getting it from protein to begin with. Just another supp scam.
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whole food vitamins,,but really anything that has added digestive enzymes,,you gotta understand that all those "companies" get thier shit from same place,,
there is a reason beverly charge you more for protien powder and the rest less,,ill let you figure it out,,but you really dont need protien powder why do you do this to yourself,,protien powder is nto even remotely close to pure liquid egg whites,,eggwhites REAL FOOD EVEN IF YOU DRINK IT THE PAPETI WHITES ARE REAL FOOD! every time you drink that shit you ate real meal,,protien powder is a powder,,,poweder will never be digested as good as real food and its been processed so many times that what you get at the end is simply label rather than the equivelent to real food,,
any professional inorder to get there counted on REAL FOOD,,we all did and thats why the 90s has a lot better everything,,you cant build yourse3lf on powers its all scam bullcrap artists trusat me
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whole food vitamins,,but really anything that has added digestive enzymes,,you gotta understand that all those "companies" get thier shit from same place,,
there is a reason beverly charge you more for protien powder and the rest less,,ill let you figure it out,,but you really dont need protien powder why do you do this to yourself,,protien powder is nto even remotely close to pure liquid egg whites,,eggwhites REAL FOOD EVEN IF YOU DRINK IT THE PAPETI WHITES ARE REAL FOOD! every time you drink that shit you ate real meal,,protien powder is a powder,,,poweder will never be digested as good as real food and its been processed so many times that what you get at the end is simply label rather than the equivelent to real food,,
any professional inorder to get there counted on REAL FOOD,,we all did and thats why the 90s has a lot better everything,,you cant build yourse3lf on powers its all scam bullcrap artists trusat me
AGAIN, you are assuming that people can spend all day sitting at home eating 6-10 meals of solid food like you do ::). Protein powder might not be the best source, but its better than not taking in a meal at all....
Youur advice falls on deaf ears because you are talking to people with actual lives who will probably never even step on an amateur stage. You should be giving realistic advice to people like us (not competitive bodybuilders). We might as well all quit our jobs, work, leave our wives/gf's to eat all day like you
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What's the point? If you get enough protein what's the benefit of taking BCAA's in isolated form? I really don't see any, since you're getting it from protein to begin with. Just another supp scam.
bcaa in pure form help during hard core diets if on other drugs the drugs in the blood will utilize the bcaa to its optimum especially right after training but all along the day ,,
inaddition if you dont take protien powder like most serious bodybuilders who dont count on it ,,you will use insted bcaa every couple hours during the day ,,inaddition to foods,,but youre right even this is not a MUST if you have food you need at reach 24/7 ,,not every one can have the exact food 24/7 so bcaa is ok ,,carbs always easy to get where evr you are,,other type of fofd are not as easy when very busy on the road so bcaa is optional
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did you guys know nasser sucked dicks in Turkey for a while for anaploan 50's?
took it up the poop chute for karachi susts?
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AGAIN, you are assuming that people can spend all day sitting at home eating 6-10 meals of solid food like you do ::). Protein powder might not be the best source, but its better than not taking in a meal at all....
again you dont read what i say or i cant write english ,,probably i cant write english :D but! you DONT WANT PROTIEN POWDER YOU WANT EGG WHITES PAPETI FOODS LIQUID EGG WHITES ABOUT 2$ PER 50 GRAM PROTIEN BOX ,,ITS A LOT BETTER THAN ANY PROTIEN YOU WILL EVER FIND FROM MILK OR POWDER,,IT IS EASY TO USE AND BOUGHT EASY IN GROCERY STORE,,THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ,,REAL FOOD! YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN HOUSE YOU CAN BE DOING WHATEVER AND HAVE 20 OF THEM LAYING AROUND
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bcaa in pure form help during hard core diets if on other drugs the drugs in the blood will utilize the bcaa to its optimum especially right after training but all along the day ,,
inaddition if you dont take protien powder like most serious bodybuilders who dont count on it ,,you will use insted bcaa every couple hours during the day ,,inaddition to foods,,but youre right even this is not a MUST if you have food you need at reach 24/7 ,,not every one can have the exact food 24/7 so bcaa is ok ,,carbs always easy to get where evr you are,,other type of fofd are not as easy when very busy on the road so bcaa is optional
Wow... sounds to me like you're supporting Milos' "magic BCAA snake oil"! :o
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again you dont read what i say or i cant write english ,,probably i cant write english :D but! you DONT WANT PROTIEN POWDER YOU WANT EGG WHITES PAPETI FOODS LIQUID EGG WHITES ABOUT 2$ PER 50 GRAM PROTIEN BOX ,,ITS A LOT BETTER THAN ANY PROTIEN YOU WILL EVER FIND FROM MILK OR POWDER,,IT IS EASY TO USE AND BOUGHT EASY IN GROCERY STORE,,THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ,,REAL FOOD! YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN HOUSE YOU CAN BE DOING WHATEVER AND HAVE 20 OF THEM LAYING AROUND
I see your point, but you have to refrigerate egg whites. You don't with powder.
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again you dont read what i say or i cant write english ,,probably i cant write english :D but! you DONT WANT PROTIEN POWDER YOU WANT EGG WHITES PAPETI FOODS LIQUID EGG WHITES ABOUT 2$ PER 50 GRAM PROTIEN BOX ,,ITS A LOT BETTER THAN ANY PROTIEN YOU WILL EVER FIND FROM MILK OR POWDER,,IT IS EASY TO USE AND BOUGHT EASY IN GROCERY STORE,,THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ,,REAL FOOD! YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN HOUSE YOU CAN BE DOING WHATEVER AND HAVE 20 OF THEM LAYING AROUND
I truly do understand what you are saying, but if I am at school ALL day long, how do I carry those around with me? lol...i assume if not refrigerated will go bad. Thus, I have to take in protein shakes.
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The reason Vitargo costs so much is #1 they had control of the market, so they figured they could charge as much as they wanted for it #2 the sipping from Sweden to the USA, is very expensive, so that added to the cost of Vitargo.
As my "source "for Waxey Maize it is legitimate, lets just say my Waxey Maize isnt made in the USA ;D .I found that if you mill the Waxet Maize Starch down to a finer powder it doesnt clump in the blender or the glass like Vitargo does. Yet has the same great effects as Vitargo.I think the Swedes have a great concept, the only problem was they gave Nutrex the exclusive right to using the product with Creatine.This discouraged alot of companies from using and making great products with it. Nutrex Vitargo isnt a bad product, but its not great either, because they are using it with Chinese creatine.Which if you didnt know only costs $5 per kilo.If they were smart they would have used Kre-ALkalyn ,this way they would have the best carbohydrate with the best creatine. This would be a win-win situation.It doesnt do any good to transport cheap creatine in the body, it will still cause bloating, and cramping.Art Atwood did quite well with his Vitargo because he sold it by itself, so people could add it to there protein ,L-Glutamine, and Kre-Alkalyn if they were smart.But they wouldnt let Art, use it with Creatine, and were hesistant to let him mix it with other things.
If the Swedes were smart they would have made the price reasonable, and let other companies have better access to it.Now its to late, because other companies found a way to make Waxey Maize Starch, availabe to other companies..Plus they made it more affordable.It was only a matter of time,before some one would duplicate Vitargo.
Trust me in this world anything and anybody can be duplicated or repaced, its all about the $$$$$.
Jason Armstrong, I couldnt have said it better myself 8), keep up the good work....God bless ....John
i am here to expose the dumbasses like gh15 if you remember his posts he posted over and over again the feds didn't care about AAS and then raw deal broke after i told this dummy what was up!
the only thing i sell is the truth and my opinion which comes free!
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Wow... sounds to me like you're supporting Milos' "magic BCAA snake oil"! :o
:D,,when nto tasking protien powder due to milk content,,you want to take bcaa extract from beef,,there is a reason for that,,you want all the aminos in you and you do get them from foods but you want to be covered with the bcaa aspect especially if you dont take protien powder and i dont recomend protien poder because milk blurred lines! milk lurred lines!! milk = smooth unless youre 18 and growing ,,if youre 28 forget about milk milkis your poision over 28,, so you want your bcaa from BEEF EXTRACT ,,this is one supplememtn that im ok with
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i am here to expose the dumbasses like gh15 if you remember his posts he posted over and over again the feds didn't care about AAS and then raw deal broke after i told this dummy what was up!
the only thing i sell is the truth and my opinion which comes free!
opinions from supplement pushers dont count friend ;) bodybuldin,com got section yu ocan push whatever you want,,here there arse serious bodybuilders who wat real information not bullcrap ,,remember i put the gh15 name on the line and in the poll over 85% demanded gh15 to stay part of getbig,,
im proven and backed up by 100s from here and from internet boards,,not only that but i wish id get less than 100 emails and pms in a regular day ,,1 single day every single day 10s of emails and pms that i simply cant answer,,its swamping i cant get to them all
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:D,,when nto tasking protien powder due to milk content,,you want to take bcaa extract from beef,,there is a reason for that,,you want all the aminos in you and you do get them from foods but you want to be covered with the bcaa aspect especially if you dont take protien powder and i dont recomend protien poder because milk blurred lines! milk lurred lines!! milk = smooth unless youre 18 and growing ,,if youre 28 forget about milk milkis your poision over 28,, so you want your bcaa from BEEF EXTRACT ,,this is one supplememtn that im ok with
I thought BCAA was mostly made from human hair protein? (except, of course, Milos' wonderdrink. ::))
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dianabol is the real creatine!
True :D All steroids increase creatine levels in the muscles. Probably better than taking any supplemental creatine.
I like creatine though. The small strength and water increase is worth it to me.
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gh15 doesn't even know what or how waxy maize works....truth be told you can probably get similar results off of grape juice and whey than BCAA and waxy...
more important to increase protein retention with steroids than to micro analyze everything...
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I would like to know why bevverly protein is so much more expensive
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Van I am not going to argue with you, I am just here to state the facts.First of all there is alot of research done by Jeff Golini, on Kre-Alkalyn, which is all positive.All you have to do is look up his journals.I have put all the athletes I endorse on Kre-Alkalyn, and they all have had some pretty dam impressive results.Jeff Golini, has created the best form of creatine powder ever created. It doesnt convert to Creatinine, it doesnt cause cramping or bloating, it just friggin works!!!!
As far as German Creatine, thats a bunch of crap,lol.Did you know CreaPure, creatine, from so-called Germany was made by the company Weinstein? The problem was Weinstein got caught buying Chinese creatine, , so at one time there was a German form of creatine, but that is a thing of the past.
Kre-Alkalyn is the real deal, it is even better the the original Phsphagen from back in 1994.
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As far as German Creatine, thats a bunch of crap,lol.Did you know CreaPure, creatine, from so-called Germany was made by the company Weinstein? The problem was Weinstein got caught buying Chinese creatine, , so at one time there was a German form of creatine, but that is a thing of the past.
I'm not in the supp industry so I don't know but are you saying Creapure is a defunct company? I don't think so.
http://www.creapure.com/index.php?id=13&L=1
Do you have any link showing Creapure was made by some company called Weinstein?
http://www.creapure.com/index.php?id=14&L=1
Creapure® – The Ultimate Creatine
Pure, high-quality creatine (monohydrate) has been produced in Germany since the mid-1990s. Creapure®, manufactured by AlzChem Trostberg GmbH (a wholly owned subsidiary of Degussa), is the only creatine made in Germany. This creatine is known around the world for its high quality and purity, which is due to our careful selection of raw materials and our technologically mature, patented system for synthesizing creatine.
Alzchem Trostberg GmbH
Furthermore, with sales offices on all five continents, and cooperative agreements with top-notch sales partners, Creapure® provides customers with excellent customer service. Customers profit from the close cooperation between Production, Research, Marketing, and Sales—this teamwork sets the ultimate quality standard for creatine.Creapure®--The Ultimate Creatine
Corporate/Product History:
1908 Bayerische Stickstoff-Werke AG is founded at what is currently the Trostberg production site.
1939 Bayerische Kraftwerke AG and Donauwerke AG merge to form Süddeutsche Kalkstickstoff-Werke AG, which would become SKW Trostberg AG.
1995 Applied for a patent for the preparation of creatine and started commercial creatine production
1997 Applied for the Creapure® trademark
2001 SKW Trostberg AG and Degussa-Hüls AG merge to form Degussa AG
2002 Construction of the GMP facility
2003 Production of Creapure® begins in the GMP facility
2006 Wholly owned subsidiary of Degussa GmbH (wholly owned subsidiary of RAG) with its own company name, AlzChem Trostberg GmbH
Degussa doesn't seem to be a small time scammer company to me.
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I did make a small error, The company I knew who made Creapure, was SKW, not Weinstein.
Give me break its been 10 years, lol .The bottom line is about 10 years ago, there was a lot of speculation about them using Chinese creatine in there products.Either way the SKW Crea-Pure, never could hold a candle to the American Creatine Monohydrate, made by AMT Labs, out of Salt Lake City Utah.Another good American Manufacture of creatine that made the Original Phosphagen was a company called Pfanstiel out of illinois .I dont care what SKW claims, they could never match the American made Creatine products.
American made Creatine, has been and will always be the best creatine monohydrate ever made.I have tried them all and worked with them all, and nothing, I mean Nothing compares to Kre-alkalyn .
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did you guys know nasser sucked dicks in Turkey for a while for anaploan 50's?
took it up the poop chute for karachi susts?
Your Mother is calling you. Time for bed little boy..
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GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question ;D
You like drinking your egg whites huh????????? WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable. Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716
Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting). Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work? Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective? If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption.
Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef?
Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid). What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine? Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly. Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct? LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY
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GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question ;D
You like drinking your egg whites huh????????? WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable. Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716
Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting). Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work? Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective? If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption.
Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef?
Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid). What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine? Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly. Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct? LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY
If u would understand bodybuilding or at least red his posts carefully you would know that we are talking about drinking PASTEURIZED eggwhites ....big diff sonny ;)
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First of all I know Jeff Golini quite well, and trust me there is alot more to Kre-Alkalyn then meets the eye.Jeff will never give up the "real secret to Kre-Alkalyn, he is going to take that one to the grave.If you think Kre-Alkalyn is just a bicarbonate, you easily fooled.The real reason Kre-Alaklyn works so well is they are using American creatine, no Chinese creatine.If you remember beack in 1994-1995, when Bill Philips came out with Phospahgen it really friggin worked.Why, because back they it was made in the USA, so it didnt have Lead and Aresenic.Plus back then they Assayed every batch, and didnt rush the drying process.Today Creatine is mass produced in China, and pretty much all of it is garbage.Chinese creatine does not work!!!You might aswell just take baking soda.Creatine isnt expensive to make , heck its only made up of 3 Amino Acids ,they are - Arginine, Glycine and Methionine.What is important in making creatine monohdrate, is not to rush the drying process.Because by rushing the drying process of the creatine would take away from the potency of the product.Back then Creatine was really a fine mesh and sparkeled, because it was anhydrous.This meant it contained less moisture, and more potent. A little trick the Chinese are known to do is add moisture to the creatine, this way they can get 6-15% more weight from the raw material.So creatine is not creatine.It may only be made up of only 3 diffrent Amino Acids, but how it is manufatured, and dried, makes a world of diffrence
I know that it may sound harsh but :
1. You sell supplements = u lie for a living
2. They are worthless to the ocasional/serious bb as far as muscle gain/ cutting process .
3. U continuously mislead youngstars and older alike to increase profits. Again all u talk about supps yelds little to no real benefits.
4. The only supplement that can be used is the ocasional protein poweder and that only when u don't have time to eat .
5. bodybuilding as we know it is built on hormones and real food. Get that through your thick skull. If I remember correctly u were bullshitting about being natural too.
6. Stop lying about supplements....they won't do shit for u , and the money are better spent on good solid fresh food and some d bol.
I don't want to insult u but u are part of the p[roblem : an industry that lies constantly to customers and took false advertising to an art form.
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friend you got to understand that jason armstrong has a sellin gpitch in this ,,almost all the people that will interfer with what gh15 says have selling pitch or having their income based on those so called miricles,,
again gh15 is god when it comes to bodybuilding,,i have been there i know what it takess to be among the best i been the best,,the person that brought pure vitargo is a conficted fellon and a thin boney guy with out the use of drugs yet pushed this as the miricle of all miricles,,NO IT IS NOT,,yes it has been used by many and still does,,YES IT IS GOOD but no it is no miricle and it is not THE BEST THING BECAUSE FRUITS AND REAL FOOD ARE JUST AS GOOD!
stop putting those new bodybuilders and mainly good kids in illusion! you are posion for society ,,you are walking fellons that turn to christianity for savory and continue to do crimes via supplement crap that dont do shit in most cases,,
friends,,i am not here to debate this particular points,,my law is finite ,,my words have substance,,my words have a lot of personal experience from years upon years in the top tier (as you call it) competition
i have no reason to lie,,i got no selling pitch ,,all waxy maize is same andwether its from pure protien or from other companies its all the same and it works but! nothing you cant achieve with out it!
the main point when gh15 tell you something is to shut up and digest it for a week or simply try it and see after you spend money that gh15 was right AS USUAL,,
the fact im narcisistic and concited ,,the fact im a hormone authority ,,the fact im a rebel among bunch of sheep that try to do same scam to earn lot of $ ...doesnt mean it is not the truth,,
champs are not built on vitargos,,champs are built on the combination or food ,,trainning,, and LOT OF HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,
champ is what you want to be,,
dreamer is what they want you to be
How come you aren't mr olympia then, but someone else who actually uses vitargo?
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GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question ;D
You like drinking your egg whites huh????????? WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable. Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716
Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting). Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work? Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective? If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption.
Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef?
Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid). What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine? Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly. Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct? LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY
listen friend,,go and research in your local walmart papeti eggwhites and you will come to me and kiss my virtual hand like in the god father movie,,but even raw eggwhites will be better absorbed,,and the most important thing is to avoid any powders and go to the actual source as in eggwhites,,check how much those scam companies charge for eggwhit powder and yuo will see its the highest amount and its for powder which is half as good as the real thing which is easily found under your fuckin nose in yoru local walmart usa,,
second any source of food ,,real food is better than any powder you will ever find,,yes you can add waxy maise,,yes you can add bcaa but the most important thing is real food (yes eggwhites is real food even if you drink it),,
you want beef chiken fish rice potatos penut butter nuts,,sushi,,thats all you need friend... thats all you need
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How come you aren't mr olympia then, but someone else who actually uses vitargo?
better muscle bellies on their behalf,,better muscle detail and seperation on thier behalf,,better at kissing ass,,
at this level and only at this level the genetic shape of the muscle is highly important since we all respond phenominally to hormones and have very high tolerence for drugs in general
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ofcourse you can take it to extreme like jason and look over spilled with oil and soft but in todays days with people like that whore spears rulling american news im not surprized ifbb chose jason as champ,,its just the times we live in ,,he got a big company behind him that want the all american blond boy as the mr o and got it
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ofcourse you can take it to extreme like jason and look over spilled with oil and soft but in todays days with people like that whore spears rulling american news im not surprized ifbb chose jason as champ,,its just the times we live in ,,he got a big company behind him that want the all american blond boy as the mr o and got it
So you blame the fact that you cannot win the O on Britney Spears and american TV? ::)
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I feel like total crap and can't sleep so..... :-[
Here we go again, so many of you want to make this into a science. Don't take insulin it can kill you BUT! hypothetically speaking, for those who do there is no room for guess work!!!!!!!! Using powder is best simply because you can make he best intelliegent guess as to how much to take to cover your ass and you can count on absorbsion rate and even then you can sometimes go hypo but rarely. You use the carbs after taking insulin too keep yourself from hypo nothing more!! I don't want to hear about all this bullshit about one type of brand name carb being better than another. Remember, its simply there to cover your ass. Now, it doesn't matter what the hell you use. The most cost effective and imo one of the best products to use is CARBO HIT. Very cheap and works like a charm. I have NEVER seen any difference in using this or Vitargo!!! It's all marketing hype. No pros that I know of use solid food after taking slin for the reason that I have already started. BTW, CARBO HIT is not very sweet or thick so it is a lot more palitable than Vitargo and doesn't sit in your stomach like a brick.
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papetto foods!
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please give gh15 some time to reconsider his own opinion - it happens to change from time to time - another epic proof of gh15's credibility:
Re: Do the IFBB Drug test Pros anymore or ever???
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2006, 01:39:27 PM »
i am on milos side because he is a very good person that helps many and take the time to help many upcoming guys,,beside he knows his bodybuilding and that i cant say about many other people around.
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Vitargo is great. Any one who is disputing whether it work or not clearly has not used it. It is not a miracle but the proof is after one weeks worth of use. Ive used it with exceptional results.I become much fuller , better pumps and faster recovery… I don’t give a shit about banana’s and sweet potatoes if it work for you then go with it. That goes for everything , supplements , drugs , training methods. You cant judge something until you’ve tried it and if it works for you then go with it , doesn’t matter what GH 15 or GetItOnNY say if it it works for you , it works. People are like sheep and want to follow some one else form your own opinion about something.
The only thing I do is buy brand’s which have a reputable name’s like Crea-pure and Vitargo as I can have faith in the production process. If it cost’s more that doesn’t matter as your reassured you get what you pay for. As ive gotten older and started earning more ive tried to apply this into everything , food , drugs , supplements. Cost’s more and I use less but get better results. Its not always possible but I try.
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GH got my vote on this subject, good to hear something worth listening to again from him the Raw Deal crap was getting old.
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please give gh15 some time to reconsider his own opinion - it happens to change from time to time - another epic proof of gh15's credibility:
milos is still human and was very good bodybuilder,,it has nothing to do with his mental problems and anger issues and narcotic addiciton and compulsary lying,,you can be good person and stil eb all that ,,can be nice to your dog to your kid to who ever you give a crap about and can make you advance in your personal goals,,decent is another whole different story...
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I truly do understand what you are saying, but if I am at school ALL day long, how do I carry those around with me? lol...i assume if not refrigerated will go bad. Thus, I have to take in protein shakes.
Would this be high school that you're attending all day? When I attended college, a full course load was three or four classes per day. I also usually had at least an hour break between one if not two of the classes. Also surely if you're attending college you are resourceful enough to figure out that you can carry some all whites around in a small cooler with an ice pack. Just trying to point out that a resourceful person will find a way to solve a problem, rather than argue that it can't be done with out even trying.
I know some of the people arguing with gh15 about this topic are doing so because they have a stake in the supplement industry, but I wonder why the rest argue this with him. He simply tells you that you can accomplish the same thing with simple sugars like fruit and honey that you can with waxy maize and virtargo for less money. Could it be because to admit that he is correct is to admit that they've been suckered by the supplement industry? I remember when eating baby food was popular for carbing up post workout. It worked fine, but apple sauce and raw honey worked just as well and wasn't as embarrassing to eat in front of other people.
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Vitargo is great. Any one who is disputing whether it work or not clearly has not used it. It is not a miracle but the proof is after one weeks worth of use. Ive used it with exceptional results.I become much fuller , better pumps and faster recovery… I don’t give a shit about banana’s and sweet potatoes if it work for you then go with it. That goes for everything , supplements , drugs , training methods. You cant judge something until you’ve tried it and if it works for you then go with it , doesn’t matter what GH 15 or GetItOnNY say if it it works for you , it works. People are like sheep and want to follow some one else form your own opinion about something.
The only thing I do is buy brand’s which have a reputable name’s like Crea-pure and Vitargo as I can have faith in the production process. If it cost’s more that doesn’t matter as your reassured you get what you pay for. As ive gotten older and started earning more ive tried to apply this into everything , food , drugs , supplements. Cost’s more and I use less but get better results. Its not always possible but I try.
disgreed.
have you ever used it for a carb up pre- contest?
if you have, you would have noticed absolutely NO difference between waxy maize and a regular hi gi/low gi protocol using conventional carb sources.
there are a myriad of things that can attribute for what you are feeling thru the course of the year in terms of the fullness/pump/recovery you speak of other than the vitargo.
pre- contest, when everything is measured and any change is noticeable in the last 3-4 days, or depending on when you start your carb up, you'll see there is no difference to using vitargo over any other carb source.
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I would like to know why bevverly protein is so much more expensive
GH would you please answere this?
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disgreed.
have you ever used it for a carb up pre- contest?
if you have, you would have noticed absolutely NO difference between waxy maize and a regular hi gi/low gi protocol using conventional carb sources.
there are a myriad of things that can attribute for what you are feeling thru the course of the year in terms of the fullness/pump/recovery you speak of other than the vitargo.
pre- contest, when everything is measured and any change is noticeable in the last 3-4 days, or depending on when you start your carb up, you'll see there is no difference to using vitargo over any other carb source.
I havent used it for carb up pre contest. A lot of my friends used it last year and came in much fuller and they where happy with the results The one guy one his over all 7kg bigger than the year before and said Vitargo gave him a big edge.
Depleted for 3 day then on day of carb up he drank 40g Vitargo during the work out and post shot 10iu slin with 80 Vitargo then 1 hour later eat solid carb on the hour , 4 hours he had another shot of slin with 80 g Vitargo followed by solids. Second day of carb up he just eat small solids with complex carbs. Day of the show he mixed vitargo with 100ml water an ate it with a spoon about and hour before he got on stage.
What ever works for you go for it.
Ive used Vitargo and then regular dextrose post work out. I can easily get 60g Vitargo down , abd I feel great , I follow it up with a big solid. If I drink dextrose I cant eat or dont feel like eating for much longer.
Each for there own
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I havent used it for carb up pre contest. A lot of my friends used it last year and came in much fuller and they where happy with the results The one guy one his over all 7kg bigger than the year before and said Vitargo gave him a big edge.
Depleted for 3 day then on day of carb up he drank 40g Vitargo during the work out and post shot 10iu slin with 80 Vitargo then 1 hour later eat solid carb on the hour , 4 hours he had another shot of slin with 80 g Vitargo followed by solids. Second day of carb up he just eat small solids with complex carbs. Day of the show he mixed vitargo with 100ml water an ate it with a spoon about and hour before he got on stage.
What ever works for you go for it.
Ive used Vitargo and then regular dextrose post work out. I can easily get 60g Vitargo down , abd I feel great , I follow it up with a big solid. If I drink dextrose I cant eat or dont feel like eating for much longer.
Each for there own
i used to for two shows, for thursday/ friday carb ups.
i ate a total of 9 carb meals each of the two days, one meal would consist of 2 conventional carb sources (75% solid/ 25% sugar) and the others consisting of 100 grams of vitargo. i too used humalog with my meals.
i didn't find any difference between using the vitargo and any other carb source when i replaced it. i actually found i bloated a little more with the two preps i used the vitargo, but this could be due to the fact i was using a carb source other than the vitargo that contributed to it (oats as opposed to yam)
in all, i found no difference, but like you said, to each their own.
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i used to for two shows, for thursday/ friday carb ups.
i ate a total of 9 carb meals each of the two days, one meal would consist of 2 conventional carb sources (75% solid/ 25% sugar) and the others consisting of 100 grams of vitargo. i too used humalog with my meals.
i didn't find any difference between using the vitargo and any other carb source when i replaced it. i actually found i bloated a little more with the two preps i used the vitargo, but this could be due to the fact i was using a carb source other than the vitargo that contributed to it (oats as opposed to yam)
in all, i found no difference, but like you said, to each their own.
now thats! a bodybuilder