PM Question Answered - Waxy Maize supplements

[Sumpa]

It's ananas in swedish too. It proves nothing, sorry.

[jetcity]

vitamins ,,if i take aminos i drink them,,sometimes protien powder if im tired of eggwhites but mostly eggwhite and sometimes soy protien products ,,i try to avoid milk protien when prep

i love soy protein n was eating block of tofu now n than till i read some where it might elevate estrogen? do i have anything to worry or is that only for hormone users? maybe just a hoax because women use soybeans instead of those menapause pills?(sorry don't know how2spell)

thanks gh15 for answering my noobie questions!

[gh15]

i love soy protein n was eating block of tofu now n than till i read some where it might elevate estrogen? do i have anything to worry or is that only for hormone users? maybe just a hoax because women use soybeans instead of those menapause pills?(sorry don't know how2spell)

thanks gh15 for answering my noobie questions!

first off estrogen is good for growth,,second its all rumors today it elevates tomorrow it cause cnacer next day its a miricle needed to part of baby milk ,,i like hand on doctors and surgons not bunch of researchers who say everything is bad for you

also if you use anti estrogen and aromatase inhibitors you can swim in tofu and you can eat tofu eggrols all day long and you wont see no estrogen because it will be down at the 20% level where you wil consistenly look harder and dryer than most males,,,thats how fitness girls etc can look hard,,they eliminate and reduce estrogen in their bodies,,otherwize they would be walking chubb chubbs on in the more lucky ones walking flab flabs

[DK II]

fructose doesn't trigger insulin as good as other carbs.

Isn't it more convenient to drink a shake with protein powder and waxy maize instead of eating 4 sweet potatoes after WO?

Just my 2cents.

[SF1900]

fructose doesn't trigger insulin as good as other carbs.

Isn't it more convenient to drink a shake with protein powder and waxy maize instead of eating 4 sweet potatoes after WO?

Just my 2cents.

I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? 

[DK II]

I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? 

eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!

You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. 

[Knives]

eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!

You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. 

why would you feel like shit?

[gh15]

I agree. Plus, I think its cheaper. I mean, if I have to eat 4 banannas after every workout, plus other food, that can get costly. The waxy maize by IDS is only 25 bucks. Granted, nothing is better than regular food, but for most people that are busy in their lives, have bills to pay, etc, who the hell is going to eat 4 banannas after a workout!? 

always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10

[SF1900]

eat 4 bananas (or even better 4 sweet potatoes) and then a steak or 10 egg whites because protein opwder is the devil invented to make money!

You're guanranteed to feel like shit, but hey, gh15 is happy. 

I mean I do not know who this gh15 is, nor do I care, but obviously he has the time and money to eat 4 banannas or sweet potatoes and egg whites and/or steak. Realistically, most people on here are NOT going to do that. He is giving us advice as though we are all going to step  on the Mr. O stage. Hell, most people will never even step on aa amateur stage, including me. I have had good results with waxy maize, protein shake and creatine post workout, so I shall stick to that.

[Arnold jr]

BANANAS AND HONEY WILL DO,,,GO TELL ARNOLD YOU WANT LOOK LIKE HIM AND FILL BEFORE COMPETITION SO YU OUSE VITARGO...

Hey, I'm as big of an Arnold fan as anyone but that's a bad example IMO.
Asking "what would Arnold do" is not always the best question to ask.

Arnold was/is fantastic but as a BB he lived by the seat of his pants...there was no strategy like there is today. If Arnold was a BB today, he'd be twice as big, more ripped and even more champion then he already is.

Think about it, if you asked Arnold how many sets to do when you trained shoulders, he'd say something like 20-25 sets 3x/wk. And yes, it worked for Arnold, but it is not the best way for most...and he would have been even better if he had known what we know now.

As for the stuff in question...seems like decent stuff IMO. But I agree, it is not a necessity and you can get the job done without it.

[Knives]

always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10

I've heard some say $30k for Olympia prep, but most of that going for GH

[SF1900]

always count on real food ,,always count on real food,, always count on real food,,we do not eat garbage powder,,only liquid form of food we eat is egg whites and that is indeed costly but its costly to be a bodybuilder now days especially competetive,,whenever you hear 500$ for competition prep immidiatly multiuple it by 10

I am not saying powder is better than real food. What I am saying is people live in "real life" and you cannot always get in a meal postworkout.  Sometimes people that do not live, breathe and eat sleep bodybuilding like you might do, have to make the necessary adjustments. I do not want to step on a stage, nor do I ever want to be a competitive bodybuilder, so most people are not as anal about their PWO meal as you are. I am not knocking you, but you are not talking realistically!

[DK II]

why would you feel like shit?

eat that amount of food right after a training?

no thanks. I would feel like shit. 1-2 hours after is ok, but not directly after.

After WO, i want it convenient. I am absolutely for more real food, but not before, during or after WO.

[chester_bbb]

in french we say ananas too

so maybe GH15 is Gerard Depardieu 

Hey Jean-Guy comment ça va? Es-tu une pepper tabarnac?

[gh15]

I've heard some say $30k for Olympia prep, but most of that going for GH

oh the 5000$ is prep for local regional simple competition ,,its not for big competition multiply the 5000 times 5 to get to a big competitioon expenses for guys who go far ,,,muscle got to be maintasined and developed while food intake persistant and clean enough and that = lots of money ,,if you dont eat clan it will sot you even more money to try to come in shape and even then you wont be able to because the other guys ate right in the prep ,,so you are out of money and out of placings

[GetItOnNY]

I have to disagree with GH15 this time. Almost every pro bodybuilder I know uses Waixey Maze Starch, I have witenssed them taking it.Jay Cutler takes 40 grams of Waixey Maze before, then after training. Toney Freman uses it daily, and even used it at the Arnold to carb, up.Gustave Vadell uses it with Whey protein Isolate, in a shake right after training. The list goes on and on.I am good friends with Art Atwood and he was at my booth last year at the Arnold, and he supplies, almost every pro bodybuilder out there with Vitargo, they would come by the booth, and talk openely about there Vitargo use.I have 5000 lbs of Waixey Maize starch in stock at all times because I supply, alto of pro, and national level athletes with Waixey Maze Starch.
I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.But now the prices have come down, and it is alot more reasonable to purchase.You just have to be careful because alot of the Waizey Maze isnt real its just Corn Starch.
The bottom line is I have been using waxey Maze Starch for over 3 years now, every day, and I swear by it.Not everybody can stop and cook oatmeal, or bake a potato 6-8 times a day. So you just get some good protein powder, add some Waxey Maze Starch, and you have good protein and good carbs in less them 60 seconds.
GH 15 what is better for some who is very busy, and always on the go? Maltodextrin,? Dextrose? lol  lol.please.Waxey Maize Starch is here to stay, because it works ,its convenient, and now its becoming cost effective.
Bodybulding and supplements have evolved if Arnold had Waxey Maze Starch, trust me he would have taken it.Just like if Arnold had Whey protein Isolate he would have taken that aswell.
I am not trying to sell Waxey Maze Starch on the board, because my company doesnt deal with consumers, because we are strickyl a manufacture.I just dont want Waxey Maize Starch to get a bad rap, because of some idot on chat boards says it doesnt work.

[Knives]

eat that amount of food right after a training?

no thanks. I would feel like shit. 1-2 hours after is ok, but not directly after.

After WO, i want it convenient. I am absolutely for more real food, but not before, during or after WO.

Based on some of his previous posts I think he means to eat 4 bananas right after training, then the egg whites or steak meal doesn't come until 3 hours later

Also you say you're natural...well when you're not you have a much bigger appetite.  A juiced up BBer shouldn't have problems getting that food down

[DK II]

Based on some of his previous posts I think he means to eat 4 bananas right after training, then the egg whites or steak meal doesn't come until 3 hours later

haha, ok.

So no protein after WO?

basically, all i want to say is, WHY NOT take waxy maize/vitargo PWO? It's convenient and doesn't hurt.

If you have no money for supps, you stay with bananas, good. If you shoot up 25i.u. slin PWO, you don't need the vitargo probably.
 

[Knives]

haha, ok.

So no protein after WO?

basically, all i want to say is, WHY NOT take waxy maize/vitargo PWO? It's convenient and doesn't hurt.

If you have no money for supps, you stay with bananas, good. If you shoot up 25i.u. slin PWO, you don't need the vitargo probably.
 

That waxy maize/vitargo stuff is expensive, if you like it use it...but i don't know man, I wonder how much of that stuff you really need.  I mean look at mesmorph78, he has an awesome natty physique and he only eats twice a day, no supps or anything.  I know a bunch of other guys natural and not who don't use supps and look great

[gh15]

I have to disagree with GH15 this time. Almost every pro bodybuilder I know uses Waixey Maze Starch, I have witenssed them taking it.Jay Cutler takes 40 grams of Waixey Maze before, then after training. Toney Freman uses it daily, and even used it at the Arnold to carb, up.Gustave Vadell uses it with Whey protein Isolate, in a shake right after training. The list goes on and on.I am good friends with Art Atwood and he was at my booth last year at the Arnold, and he supplies, almost every pro bodybuilder out there with Vitargo, they would come by the booth, and talk openely about there Vitargo use.I have 5000 lbs of Waixey Maize starch in stock at all times because I supply, alto of pro, and national level athletes with Waixey Maze Starch.
I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.But now the prices have come down, and it is alot more reasonable to purchase.You just have to be careful because alot of the Waizey Maze isnt real its just Corn Starch.
The bottom line is I have been using waxey Maze Starch for over 3 years now, every day, and I swear by it.Not everybody can stop and cook oatmeal, or bake a potato 6-8 times a day. So you just get some good protein powder, add some Waxey Maze Starch, and you have good protein and good carbs in less them 60 seconds.
GH 15 what is better for some who is very busy, and always on the go? Maltodextrin,? Dextrose? lol  lol.please.Waxey Maize Starch is here to stay, because it works ,its convenient, and now its becoming cost effective.
Bodybulding and supplements have evolved if Arnold had Waxey Maze Starch, trust me he would have taken it.Just like if Arnold had Whey protein Isolate he would have taken that aswell.
I am not trying to sell Waxey Maze Starch on the board, because my company doesnt deal with consumers, because we are strickyl a manufacture.I just dont want Waxey Maize Starch to get a bad rap, because of some idot on chat boards says it doesnt work.

im very aware of who and who use waxy maize and indeed many professional and top amatuer and low amatuer use it,,the waxy mazie is real in most cases,,but! look at the phsyiqes you see of the people you mentioned they wouldnt hold a candle to any physiqes from the late 80s and 90s,,the physiqe getting worse and worse because of insulin and gh use in enourmous doiages and the waxymaize use is also part of this bigger is beter approach ,,when you take insulin you better know what you doing and not stuff in you 4 scoops of waxy maize post inhjection ,,many of the guys now overdiue everything,,look at shari look at jason,,its all the same,,rubbery puffy smooth i dont even call it muscle,,1 single banana eill be ebough with the slin shot nothing more is needed!! ,,sometimes 2-3 if you really use enourmous use of insulin ,, oats will do you body good a lot better than waxy maize,,

so to conclude this YES MANY USE IT,,BUT! LOOK AROUND YOU AND JUST SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN RELASHION TO THE PAST,,dont you notice that only one single thing grew since the early 90s?? the only thing that grew is the BELLY!

[gh15]

That waxy maize/vitargo stuff is expensive, if you like it use it...but i don't know man, I wonder how much of that stuff you really need.  I mean look at mesmorph78, he has an awesome natty physique and he only eats twice a day, no supps or anything.  I know a bunch of other guys natural and not who don't use supps and look great

jamaican ofood is very anabolic,,just take a look at ox tail and the thick noodles it has in it mushed  with rice and the beef ,,that stuff will grow you better than any garbage powder out there that ofcourse come from comunist china or other third world country where it cost 1 cent to produce ,,

[GetItOnNY]

GH15, you claim to be a pro bodybuilder, yet you hide your idenity.IF, and thats a big if you were a legitmate pro bodybuilder, you would know that Waxey Maize Starch or Vitargo is ONE of the supplement most pro bodybuildersand national level actually use .GH 15 read alot of your post, and I would agree with alot of what you say, even though you are a little off the wall at times. But this time your wrong, when it comes to Waxey Maize Starch.There are alot of scams in the supplement industry, like CEM,BuckWheat protein the liquid protein in those Test tube vials and all of Muscle Techs products.But Waxey Maize Starch isnt one of them.In the suppelement industry if it works the FDA bans it .So its getting harder and harder to make supplement that actually work.Supplements I feel are really really good are Kre-Alkalyn, Waxey Maize, BCAAS,Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Ephedra (ECA) Fermermented L-Glutamine and Lohan Kao ( a all natural sweetener from China).The supplement I listed arent fancy, but they are convenient, and offer real world results.
Waxey Maize Starch is the "Whey Isolate" of carbohydrates, for people who cannot eat 6-8 solid meals a day. Before Waxey Maize Starch bodybuilders had to use Maltodextrin, Dextrose, and had to scamble  to get good quality carbohydrates.With Waxey Maize Starch, you can just add it to a good protein powder, and blend it, and your done.

[Van_Bilderass]

I dont care what GH15 says, Wazey Maze Starch, is a great carbohydrate, there is alot of solid research backing it.The problem was the "Swedes" were greedy, and were charging way to much for Vitargo.

What is the molecular weight of your waxy maize? Do you have proof it performs as well as Vitargo? You know why Vitargo costs so much? Because they actually funded studies on it!

You can't say there is a lot of research backing your waxy maize.

[alejandro_torres]

jamaican ofood is very anabolic,,just take a look at ox tail and the thick noodles it has in it mushed  with rice and the beef ,,that stuff will grow you better than any garbage powder out there that ofcourse come from comunist china or other third world country where it cost 1 cent to produce ,,

paraguayan food

asado! ( roasted beef) and sweet potatoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eat it till you drop

and cheap as fuck

also good as hell

[jason armstrong]

GH15, you claim to be a pro bodybuilder, yet you hide your idenity.IF, and thats a big if you were a legitmate pro bodybuilder, you would know that Waxey Maize Starch or Vitargo is ONE of the supplement most pro bodybuildersand national level actually use .GH 15 read alot of your post, and I would agree with alot of what you say, even though you are a little off the wall at times. But this time your wrong, when it comes to Waxey Maize Starch.There are alot of scams in the supplement industry, like CEM,BuckWheat protein the liquid protein in those Test tube vials and all of Muscle Techs products.But Waxey Maize Starch isnt one of them.In the suppelement industry if it works the FDA bans it .So its getting harder and harder to make supplement that actually work.Supplements I feel are really really good are Kre-Alkalyn, Waxey Maize, BCAAS,Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Ephedra (ECA) Fermermented L-Glutamine and Lohan Kao ( a all natural sweetener from China).The supplement I listed arent fancy, but they are convenient, and offer real world results.
Waxey Maize Starch is the "Whey Isolate" of carbohydrates, for people who cannot eat 6-8 solid meals a day. Before Waxey Maize Starch bodybuilders had to use Maltodextrin, Dextrose, and had to scamble  to get good quality carbohydrates.With Waxey Maize Starch, you can just add it to a good protein powder, and blend it, and your done.

don't try to talk sense to this gimmick he ain't no pro holy cow he's dumb.
waixy maize is ten times the carb of any other and easier to control...all dumbnuts would have to do is get a blood glucose meter and he'd discover the secret to waixy and insulin...

kid15 give the shit up man you are dumb...