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Title: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 06:52:37 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: chester_bbb on February 06, 2008, 06:54:47 AM
Are you still alive?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 06:54:59 AM
translation=a huge bodybuilder fuccked the cum dumpster skank you call a "girlfriend" and now you hate all huge bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 06:55:54 AM
translation=a huge bodybuilder fuccked the cum dumpster skank you call a "girlfriend" and now you hate all huge bodybuilders.

Calm down Gloria ::)
And I'm married + you be happy to know very happy :D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 06:58:31 AM
Calm down Gloria ::)
And I'm married + you be happy to know very happy :D
ok change girlfriend to wife and the story still stands.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:00:32 AM
ok change girlfriend to wife and the story still stands.

meltdown.

(i know you will post post your pics in a second) ::)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:01:07 AM
ok change girlfriend to wife and the story still stands.

you are melting down quit a bit lately dave, anything you want to share with us here?
I'm concernerd...seriously.

Plus I have no idea why you get so offensive anyways, judging by your picture you are not juicing.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on February 06, 2008, 07:03:26 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.


Why waste so much energy worrying about what other people are doing if it doesn't hurt you.

I'm just gonna work, train and live my life.  Give it a shot, it's pretty good stuff.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:07:15 AM
you are melting down quit a bit lately dave, anything you want to share with us here?
I'm concernerd...seriously.

Plus I have no idea why you get so offensive anyways, judging by your picture you are not juicing.
no meltdown just wondering why you're even on a bodybuilding board when you seem to hate bodybuilders and bodybuilding, you sound extremely jealous, i know a guy who knows you and says you train like a little bitch and that you are small.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:07:28 AM
Why waste so much energy worrying about what other people are doing if it doesn't hurt you.

I'm just gonna work, train and live my life.  Give it a shot, it's pretty good stuff.

Because I believe it ruins this good sport its my sport as well.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: columbusdude82 on February 06, 2008, 07:10:40 AM
translation=a huge bodybuilder fuccked the cum dumpster skank you call a "girlfriend" and now you hate all huge bodybuilders.

No one says it better than you :)

Perhaps this "Stark" has a "little-man complex"? ???
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:11:53 AM
no meltdown just wondering why you're even on a bodybuilding board when you seem to hate bodybuilders and bodybuilding, you sound extremely jealous, i know a guy who knows you and says you train like a little bitch and that you are small.

Again wtf is wrong with you lately
I have an opinion ok? And my opinion is that the rampaned Steroid abuse in this comunity is ruining the sport, if at all than I have nothing but love for this sport.
What i hate are people like you who try to shortcut things by using enhancement drugs just because you are either to lazy or too inpatient to reach your natural limit.
Not jealous at all, would I like to look like a Pro (maybe for one day) but I don't think its something that like for a long time, and no Dave ;) you don't know nobody who knows me ;) and I ain't training like a bitch.
Now you behave now otherwise it's back to the kiddy corner, if you cannot play by the rules.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:14:39 AM
no meltdown just wondering why you're even on a bodybuilding board when you seem to hate bodybuilders and bodybuilding, you sound extremely jealous, i know a guy who knows you and says you train like a little bitch and that you are small.

 ::) ::) ::)

Why do you guys all believe that everyone posting here is

a) into watching very stupid naked men oiled up dance on stage and

b) into heavy drug use of every kind.


Everytime you claim that watching BB is gay and steroid BB is shit someone comes around the bend and says "Why do you even post here?"

I love some good old natural bodybuilding and the funny this board brings, that's why.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
::) ::) ::)

Why do you guys all believe that everyone posting here is

a) into watching very stupid naked men oiled up dance on stage and

b) into heavy drug use of every kind.


Everytime you claim that watching BB is gay and steroid BB is shit someone comes around the bend and says "Why do you even post here?"

I love some good old natural bodybuilding and the funny this board brings, that's why.


The best way to get hated at getbig is to talk negative about Steroids, all of a sudden you are small don't train at all and in general have no idea what you are talking about.
It's like most of these sheeps like to put their head in the sand and pretend there is no Problem, but as soon as somebody forces them to use their head and think about it they get extremly pissed off (ala Squatfather)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 07:19:52 AM
Everytime this clown posts it's just negative bodybuilding topics.  I guess it makes his world flat to constantly get on bodybuilding and drugs.  Don't worry if you took juice you would still be a small twat
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:21:44 AM
Everytime this clown posts it's just negative bodybuilding topics.  I guess it makes his world flat to constantly get on bodybuilding and drugs.  Don't worry if you took juice you would still be a small twat

Weak.

Try again. Your post was totally brainless.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: XFACTOR on February 06, 2008, 07:23:10 AM
no meltdown just wondering why you're even on a bodybuilding board when you seem to hate bodybuilders and bodybuilding, you sound extremely jealous, i know a guy who knows you and says you train like a little bitch and that you are small.

Exactly!!

I agree juice causes harm(which he always states) and I have and probably will do it again.  I don't care.  I like bbing.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 07:25:21 AM
Weak.

Try again. Your post was totally brainless.
I skip over your brainless posts daily.  You probably just cant understand wtf your reading
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:26:26 AM
Exactly!!

I agree juice causes harm(which he always states) and I have and probably will do it again.  I don't care. I like bbing.

THAT's the point. He does too.

He just doesn't like the drugs and the half-naked daincing on stage. What's wrong with that?

There are many aspects of BB that you can like, others you don't like. Take for example SF.

He trains, he does drugs, but he doesn't give a shit about nutrition and being in shape. So does he hate BB?
In my opinion, nutrition and being in good shape are very important aspects to BB, more important than drugs.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Purge_WTF on February 06, 2008, 07:26:33 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.



  Fail.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:27:06 AM
I skip over your brainless posts daily.  You probably just cant understand wtf your reading

even weaker.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:31:23 AM
It seems funny to me that most of you guys are obviously not juicing.. so why the hate?
Can't you guys imagine a sport without the obvious use of enhancement drugs?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:32:38 AM
Again wtf is wrong with you lately
I have an opinion ok? And my opinion is that the rampaned Steroid abuse in this comunity is ruining the sport, if at all than I have nothing but love for this sport.
What i hate are people like you who try to shortcut things by using enhancement drugs just because you are either to lazy or too inpatient to reach your natural limit.
Not jealous at all, would I like to look like a Pro (maybe for one day) but I don't think its something that like for a long time, and no Dave ;) you don't know nobody who knows me ;) and I ain't training like a bitch.
Now you behave now otherwise it's back to the kiddy corner, if you cannot play by the rules.
trust me dude i've gotten PM's from someone who knows you and how you switched over to a more hardcore gym from more of a mainstream gym and how you can't hang with the new place as far as training and size goes and that you're easily the smallest one there.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 07:33:43 AM
It seems funny to me that most of you guys are obviously not juicing.. so why the hate?
Can't you guys imagine a sport without the obvious use of enhancement drugs?


That's not even the point.

Most rec juicers are just insecure little twits that have to juice to get some self esteem. There's no point to juice if you just workout for the fun of it.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: chainsaw on February 06, 2008, 07:37:28 AM
Stark, I can agree with you to a certain extent.  However, I see many so called natural bodybuilders buying stuff that is illegal I.E ephedrine, and other (testosterone enhancers, and prohormones) that are more dangerous than a LITTLE bit of extra test.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 07:40:14 AM
That's not even the point.

Most rec juicers are just insecure little twits that have to juice to get some self esteem. There's no point to juice if you just workout for the fun of it.
Why is there no point?  Maybe somebody is curious what they'll look like on juice and then start to compete?  
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Krankenstein on February 06, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.



Just curious.....do you compete at all?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:41:43 AM
Just curious.....do you compete at all?
no, the guy who knows him says that he's small and has very little muscle and trains very light on mostly machines.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:42:20 AM
Stark, I can agree with you to a certain extent.  However, I see many so called natural bodybuilders buying stuff that is illegal I.E ephedrine, and other (testosterone enhancers, and prohormones) that are more dangerous than a LITTLE bit of extra test.

True, maybe I should have been more specifi, but I do believe that there is absolutly no need what so ever to juice or use any form or medication if you are a healty young male, it's crazy to me that so many young guys put their health at risk just to be a little bigger for god how much? 1-2 years?
You guys have to look in the future and concider the aspects that some day maybe you want a family kids and beeing extremly big may be not on the agenda anymore.
Is it worth it to fuck up your life just so you can post images here on getbig?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:44:15 AM
no, the guy who knows him says that he's small and has very little muscle and trains very light on mostly machines.

Oh God ::) Dave you don't know anybody who knows me, believe what you want this is what this sport is all
about, you have to believe in yourself and I couldn't care less what you think I look like.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Playboy on February 06, 2008, 07:45:23 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.


Your a dumb jealous knob. If you spent half the time in a gym working out instead of worrying about what others choose to do in their life you would actually look half decent. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:46:19 AM
Oh God ::) Dave you don't know anybody who knows me, believe what you want this is what this sport is all
about, you have to believe in yourself and I couldn't care less what you think I look like.
dude you can deny it all you want but i'm telling the truth, the guy knows you very well and i haven't posted everything he's told me in PM's, i'm totally serious.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 07:48:01 AM
Stark just curious are you even involved with the sport?  Your always talking like you hold some importance in bodybuilding
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: bigmikecox on February 06, 2008, 07:48:49 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.



Excuse me while I go take 2 anadrol and 3 ccs of Tren :-*
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:49:03 AM
dude you can deny it all you want but i'm telling the truth, the guy knows you very well and i haven't posted everything he's told me in PM's, i'm totally serious.

Sqat I urge you lol post the PM's...

If he has talked to you, what am I wearing, is my hair short middle short or long or am I going bald?
Do I have a beard?
Do I wear training tracks or cut of shorts?
Were do I usualy train upstairs or downstairs?
What's my gym called?

Lets do this dave, let's once and for all proove her what a lyer you really are.

You fucked up now dave ;) if you cannot proove I will ride on this until kindgom come.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:50:15 AM
Your a dumb jealous knob. If you spent half the time in a gym working out instead of worrying about what others choose to do in their life you would actually look half decent. Hope this helps.

I grace you with an responds ;)
I love this sport far to much to not care opi? Now shhh
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:52:56 AM
Sqat I urge you lol post the PM's...

If he has talked to you, what am I wearing, is my hair short middle short or long or am I going bald?
Do I have a beard?
Do I wear training tracks or cut of shorts?
Were do I usualy train upstairs or downstairs?
What's my gym called?

Lets do this dave, let's once and for all proove her what a lyer you really are.

You fucked up now dave ;) if you cannot proove I will ride on this until kindgom come.
i told the dude i'd keep his identity a secret but i swear the guy is telling the truth, he says that you are very small and shy about the way you carry yourself and that you are very timid and you don't look any of the big dudes in the eye in the gym, this is the truth.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Playboy on February 06, 2008, 07:53:32 AM
I grace you with an responds ;)
I love this sport far to much to not care opi? Now shhh
Your the dumb twit that started this ridiculous thread. If you don't like the bbdg lifestyle, then leave it.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: HTexan on February 06, 2008, 07:53:44 AM
waiting here from Pm posting.  ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:54:45 AM
i told the dude i'd keep his identity a secret but i swear the guy is telling the truth, he says that you are very small and shy about the way you carry yourself and that you are very timid and you don't look any of the big dudes in the eye in the gym, this is the truth.

hahahah oh man you are fucked beyound I dunno :D

Dave you disapoint me, I was seriously curious if you really knew somebody who does know me but damn that
was weak :D :D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 07:55:20 AM
i told the dude i'd keep his identity a secret but i swear the guy is telling the truth, he says that you are very small and shy about the way you carry yourself and that you are very timid and you don't look any of the big dudes in the eye in the gym, this is the truth.
Yep that sounds like the truth
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:55:32 AM
Your the dumb twit that started this ridiculous thread. If you don't like the bbdg lifestyle, then leave it.

meltdown :) learn how to argue hahah

And who are you again to say the BB lifestyle has anything to do with drugs? I say quit the opposite, natural strong lifting, healty living.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: chainsaw on February 06, 2008, 07:56:33 AM
True, maybe I should have been more specifi, but I do believe that there is absolutly no need what so ever to juice or use any form or medication if you are a healty young male, it's crazy to me that so many young guys put their health at risk just to be a little bigger for god how much? 1-2 years?
You guys have to look in the future and concider the aspects that some day maybe you want a family kids and beeing extremly big may be not on the agenda anymore.
Is it worth it to fuck up your life just so you can post images here on getbig?

Stark I will agree with you, unless you are a serious professional athlete, there is no sense.  I think the amount that the Pro's take is so huge, you have to be mentally retarded in some way to abuse you're heart like that.  However, if you're 35 and above and use a LITTLE extra test, I don't seem too much harm in taking something that you're body previously produced anyway.  Thats why they manufacture it.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Playboy on February 06, 2008, 07:56:47 AM
meltdown :) learn how to argue hahah
How do you figure?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 07:57:05 AM
hahahah oh man you are fucked beyound I dunno :D

Dave you disapoint me, I was seriously curious if you really knew somebody who does know me but damn that
was weak :D :D
like i told you the dude asked me if i'd keep his identity on here a secret but i'm telling the truth, you switched gyms and now wish you hadn't done it, he say that the dudes at this new gym all laugh at you, i'm being 100 percent honest here.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 07:57:27 AM
Yep that sounds like the truth

Lol you can shut up, you would follow Squat into the Gaschamber so you can suck his nuts ::)
*sigh as much backbone as a jellyfish ::)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: HTexan on February 06, 2008, 07:59:50 AM
What hardcore gym does he workout at?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 08:00:03 AM
like i told you the dude asked me if i'd keep his identity on here a secret but i'm telling the truth, you switched gyms and now wish you hadn't done it, he say that the dudes at this new gym all laugh at you, i'm being 100 percent honest here.

hahahaha ok :D :D
This is probably the best gym I ever was, you WISH you could workout in a gym like that, its by far the most friendly
gym I have ever worked in, let's not drag this awesome gym in the dirt, it's a long way from the hole you live in to the glorious weightlifting club I work out ;) So let's not go there.

HAHAH I would have never thought that you would go as far as to obviously lie :D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 08:00:53 AM
hahahaha ok :D :D
This is probably the best gym I ever was, you WISH you could workout in a gym like that, its by far the most friendly
gym I have ever worked in, let's not drag this awesome gym in the dirt, it's a long way from the hole you live in to the glorious weightlifting club I work out ;) So let's not go there.

HAHAH I would have never thought that you would go as far as to obviously lie :D
not lying dude, i'm telling the truth about what this dude told me.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Playboy on February 06, 2008, 08:01:47 AM
meltdown :) learn how to argue hahah

And who are you again to say the BB lifestyle has anything to do with drugs? I say quit the opposite, natural strong lifting, healty living.
Good for you. Then go to it and do it. You're not God so don't tell others what they can and cannot do. If I choose to take a moderate dose of AAS its my personal decision and not yours. Ciggarettes and alchohol kill quadrupal the amount of people. And so do your over the counter headache meds that are prooven to be way way way more toxic. Do your homework before you make a retarted argument. Your being a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 08:01:47 AM
Stark I will agree with you, unless you are a serious professional athlete, there is no sense.  I think the amount that the Pro's take is so huge, you have to be mentally retarded in some way to abuse you're heart like that.  However, if you're 35 and above and use a LITTLE extra test, I don't seem too much harm in taking something that you're body previously produced anyway.  Thats why they manufacture it.

Like I said, I have a problem with guys who are healty young and use the shit only to appear bigger (obviously not squat ;) )
If you can make money with it, and you take the risk... meh I still find it stupid but I don't loose sleep over it.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 08:03:38 AM
I have to go train now, but please keep it coming I respect anybodies opinion.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: TrueGrit on February 06, 2008, 08:04:03 AM
Stark is outing the roidragers. 

Some of you talk like bodybuilding is only whooping and cheering oiled up drug addicts in tiny thongs pulling poses and making straining faces for admiring men who scream at the site of drug built, fluid-filled , synthetic 'muscle'.

For some it is about health and doing things naturally. It is also less about looking at other men and worshipping men, and more about oneself.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: emn1964 on February 06, 2008, 08:04:57 AM
I also don't think monkeys should be on steroids either.  They rage and fling their poo everywhere.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Playboy on February 06, 2008, 08:06:38 AM
The bottom line is if a person chooses to take a moderate dose of AAS then its that persons decision. Who is Stark to pass judgement on people and tell them what to do. Too many people worry too much about what others are doing. If people actually trained and worried about themselves, they would actually look half decent. If you don't like to gas then don't gas. Simple.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: XFACTOR on February 06, 2008, 08:06:59 AM
no, the guy who knows him says that he's small and has very little muscle and trains very light on mostly machines.

Squad what do you think Stark max's out on the Adductor machine?  

Let's hear some poundage claims Stark.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 08:07:18 AM
Stark do you: Have people walk in front of you when your doing an exercise in front of the mirror    
                   Walk out of a muscular man's way and say "my bad"
                    Never have anyone ask you to spot them because of your frail stature
                    Quickly get dressed in the locker room so that nobody sees your machine-made 150lb physique

If you can say yes to these you are the pussy we all thought you were
 
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: TrueGrit on February 06, 2008, 08:08:07 AM
The bottom line is if a person chooses to take a moderate dose of AAS then its that persons decision. Who is Stark to pass judgement on people and tell them what to do.

He isn't telling them what to do; he's giving them his opinion on what they do.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on February 06, 2008, 08:10:20 AM

The best way to get hated at getbig is to talk negative about Steroids, all of a sudden you are small don't train at all and in general have no idea what you are talking about.
It's like most of these sheeps like to put their head in the sand and pretend there is no Problem, but as soon as somebody forces them to use their head and think about it they get extremly pissed off (ala Squatfather)
I never accused you of any of those things.  I don't see anything wrong if someone wants to use chemical enhancement to push bwyond their natural limit.  It's not a choice I've made for myself, but I don't look down on anyone that has.

It's not ruining "your" sport.  Drugs have been a part of BBing as long as magazines and gyms have been around.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Squadfather on February 06, 2008, 08:12:02 AM
Stark do you: Have people walk in front of you when your doing an exercise in front of the mirror    
                   Walk out of a muscular man's way and say "my bad"
                    Never have anyone ask you to spot them because of your frail stature
                    Quickly get dressed in the locker room so that nobody sees your machine-made 150lb physique

If you can say yes to these you are the pussy we all thought you were
 
dude this guy says that when stark is near a really big dude he looks down at the floor and takes a really submissive stature and avoids eye contact at all costs.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on February 06, 2008, 08:13:01 AM
It seems funny to me that most of you guys are obviously not juicing.. so why the hate?
Can't you guys imagine a sport without the obvious use of enhancement drugs?

Yeah.  We'd have a bunch of regular people with "attainable" physiques to look up to.  Personally, natural physiques do not motivate me.  I know I'll never be as big as a pro or have the mass+ lines of the early 90s guys, but they're still more motivating than Mr. Natural Whatever...
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 08:16:57 AM
dude this guy says that when stark is near a really big dude he looks down at the floor and takes a really submissive stature and avoids eye contact at all costs.
Sounds like Stark is going to be outed for the pussy he really is.  Squad tell more...
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 08:18:34 AM
Sounds like Stark is going to be outed for the pussy he really is.  Squad tell more...

You're quite hardcore for a noob here.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: _bruce_ on February 06, 2008, 08:20:17 AM
That's not even the point.

Most rec juicers are just insecure little twits that have to juice to get some self esteem. There's no point to juice if you just workout for the fun of it.

Exactly - they can be as big as they want... still babybeef  ;D
On a more positive note - the friendliest folks I have ever met in a gym where total twigs or total monsters.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 08:22:54 AM
You're quite hardcore for a noob here.  ;D ;D
Donkey I've actually been reading the site for years,  I just thought I'd finally join.  I think you guys are funny and I LMAO a lot on here.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
Exactly - they can be as big as they want... still babybeef  ;D
On a more positive note - the friendliest folks I have ever met in a gym where total twigs or total monsters.

So which is it?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: _bruce_ on February 06, 2008, 08:26:23 AM
So which is it?

Twigs > monsters > average guy  8)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 08:33:57 AM
Donkey I've actually been reading the site for years,  I just thought I'd finally join.  I think you guys are funny and I LMAO a lot on here.

until you have a post count of 10,000, nobody takes you for full here.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 08:54:01 AM
I never accused you of any of those things.  I don't see anything wrong if someone wants to use chemical enhancement to push bwyond their natural limit.  It's not a choice I've made for myself, but I don't look down on anyone that has.

It's not ruining "your" sport.  Drugs have been a part of BBing as long as magazines and gyms have been around.



I should have taken you out of the long list of people that do you were always civil about this subject.
And again, if somebody wants to "push" beyond there natural level find, I still find it stupid but what ever... but let's not kid ourself here, to 99% most people never reach their natural level before using Steroids you know that as well as anybody else.
And I don't look down on anybody I'm seriously not that type of guy but I do find it stupid and I do want to share my opinion about it.
Drugs have been a part of BB for a long time that is true, but not to the extend it has come now, thats all the trouble I have, skinny fucking lazy guys who never really worked out shooting roids drag down this sport and ANYBODY who loves this sport will truly understand that these people are dangerous to this sport.\

Dave, I'm not going to respond to your made up posts anymore I seriously would if they would be funny, I have always considered you an intelligent man and I respected you much more than you would think, but lol you have just really disappointed me in the last hour ;)
Seriously you are better than that you don't need to make shit up.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: FullROM on February 06, 2008, 09:03:43 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.



It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.



well said stark
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: FullROM on February 06, 2008, 09:06:01 AM
I also don't think monkeys should be on steroids either.  They rage and fling their poo everywhere.

lol
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 09:10:36 AM
well said stark

I thank you for your support friend, but you should know that you are sailing in dangerous territory here.
Most here will hate your guts by agreeing with me, my advice is to stick to the once that keep calm and
actually discuss the issue at hand without calling you names, these are the once that stay in this board
for longer than 1 month and tend to not get timeout and register at bb.com.

All I'm saying is, theres a shit storm coming your way :D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: BM OUT on February 06, 2008, 09:19:58 AM
I don't understand Stark at all.He uses these blanket statement about steroids and then think it applies to everyone.Just so you know,Ive used steroids for twenty years,and every blood test Ive ever taken has come back fine.I also just totaled 2100lbs in a power meet,following reconstructive knee surgery at 44 years old.Thanks,but I don't need your advise or worrying.I do what I want and certainly don't need your help.Now,if you want to pay my bills,then,perhaps,you can give me advise.

Please,worry about yourself.You don't want to use steroids,simply compete in drug tested organizations.Just leave me alone.Your starting to sound like our dumb ass government.Like the great JIMI HENDRIX said "I'm the one thats got to die when its time for me to die,so let me live my life,the way I want to".

By the way Ive been married for 18 years and have kids,so your worrying about me having a life is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 09:21:59 AM
I don't understand Stark at all.He uses these blanket statement about steroids and then think it applies to everyone.Just so you know,Ive used steroids for twenty years,and every blood test Ive ever taken has come back fine.I also just totaled 2100lbs in a power meet,following reconstructive knee surgery at 44 years old.Thanks,but I don't need your advise or worrying.I do what I want and certainly don't need your help.Now,if you want to pay my bills,then,perhaps,you can give me advise.

Please,worry about yourself.You don't want to use steroids,simply compete in drug tested organizations.Just leave me alone.Your starting to sound like our dumb ass government.Like the great JIMI HENDRIX said "I'm the one thats got to die when its time for me to die,so let me live my life,the way I want to".

By the way Ive been married for 18 years and have kids,so your worrying about me having a life is a waste of time.

steroid induced meltdown.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 09:23:29 AM
I don't understand Stark at all.He uses these blanket statement about steroids and then think it applies to everyone.Just so you know,Ive used steroids for twenty years,and every blood test Ive ever taken has come back fine.I also just totaled 2100lbs in a power meet,following reconstructive knee surgery at 44 years old.Thanks,but I don't need your advise or worrying.I do what I want and certainly don't need your help.Now,if you want to pay my bills,then,perhaps,you can give me advise.

Please,worry about yourself.You don't want to use steroids,simply compete in drug tested organizations.Just leave me alone.Your starting to sound like our dumb ass government.Like the great JIMI HENDRIX said "I'm the one thats got to die when its time for me to die,so let me live my life,the way I want to".

By the way Ive been married for 18 years and have kids,so your worrying about me having a life is a waste of time.

Oh super duper ::)

You know I have this guy at works who has a granny that is over 100 years old and has been smoking every day of her life, I think that is prove enough that Cigarettes are NOT harmful ::)

You haven't read one point I tried to explain you simply thought, uh goodie this is an awesome chance for me to make everybody believe that I'm fuckking huge successful and have my life in check ::)
I'm maybe not super smart but damn I'm also not that dumb :D :D

oh and... it may sound harsh but nobody gives a shit if you have kids and so forth, we are discussing things here in GENERAL not individually.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 09:25:24 AM
steroid induced meltdown.

I lolled :D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: BM OUT on February 06, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Well,being around drug use for all those years,I think I have a better idea then you of what the risks are.Unlike you,I don't have to read it,or hear it,I live it.You are a jerk with a computer,who believes dummies like Don HOOTEN and the steroid fear crowd.

I don't know ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person that has EVER had a problem from steroids.NOT ONE,NOT EVER!!!!!That doesn't come off my internet,or out of some second rate magazine,thats called seeing it,living it for myself.Ive known HUNDREADS and HUNDREADS of guys who have juiced for years and years and NOT ONE has had problems.You know better though.

By the way,I included my kid and wife because you did the same exact thing trying to prove you weren't gay.Sorry,it didn't work.I still think your gay and fairly silly.You hate drugs but post on a bodybuilding board.A sport that is dominated by drug use.Very odd.I guess you think your like THE VOICE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on February 06, 2008, 10:49:38 AM
Well,being around drug use for all those years,I think I have a better idea then you of what the risks are.Unlike you,I don't have to read it,or hear it,I live it.You are a jerk with a computer,who believes dummies like Don HOOTEN and the steroid fear crowd.

I don't know ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person that has EVER had a problem from steroids.NOT ONE,NOT EVER!!!!!That doesn't come off my internet,or out of some second rate magazine,thats called seeing it,living it for myself.Ive known HUNDREADS and HUNDREADS of guys who have juiced for years and years and NOT ONE has had problems.You know better though.

By the way,I included my kid and wife because you did the same exact thing trying to prove you weren't gay.Sorry,it didn't work.I still think your gay and fairly silly.You hate drugs but post on a bodybuilding board.A sport that is dominated by drug use.Very odd.I guess you think your like THE VOICE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS.

This post is a PERFECT example of why you are the most hated man in powerlifting--bar none. ;)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Arnold jr on February 06, 2008, 10:50:41 AM
You have only one life, and you spend most of your money your effort and time on getting simply bigger ::) never mind what it will cost.
All you wannabe Pro's who juice and get no where you disgust me even more.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee FOLKS, there is more to life than looking big, bodybuilding is much more.

It's time for you to get back to the roots and discover the spirituality of Bodybuilding once again.


You're right, a chunk of money is spent on these items...but it's less then many natural BB's spend on OTC supplements. In general, AAS is not that expensive, and I'm talking about human grade not bunk UG.

As for time spent on the whole endeavour, I would imagine that for the most part, natural or not, the same amount of time is spent by both groups...referring to those who would fall into the hardcore trainer category.

Last off, I've got no problem with anyone pursuing BB and remaining natural...hey, good for them. Honestly though, who cares either way. That said, my biggest pet peeve has always been when natural BB's wave their glorious natural flag...you rarely ever hear the AAS user bashing the natural guy for his decision to not use. Yes, there are those AAS users who are assholes and will act like idiots when the subject is brought up...but not nearly as often as the reverse.

Think about it. How many threads have been started on this board and every other board out there where natural BB's put themselves up on a pedestal? More then you can count. How many AAS users start threads praising their use and bashing naturals? You could probably count the threads on one hand...see the problem?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 06, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
There are tons of juicers who don't get into trying to be a pro and just generally enjoy standing out. Juicers also tend to be the most educated of any drug users. I think eople have the right to do whatever without your ass supervising them. And honestly, if you're so disgusted by this place's atmosphere, then leave.

People shooting up nubain, 2 grams of test, slin, gh and whatnot make me sick too. But remember that there a lot of juicers who aren't like this.

Plus, Arnold and many pro athletes do/did it.. They're sucessful millionaires.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Arnold jr on February 06, 2008, 11:00:51 AM
There are tons of juicers who don't get into trying to be a pro and just generally enjoy standing out. Juicers also tend to be the most educated of any drug users. I think eople have the right to do whatever without your ass supervising them. And honestly, if you're so disgusted by this place's atmosphere, then leave.

People shooting up nubain, 2 grams of test, slin, gh and whatnot make me sick too. But remember that there a lot of juicers who aren't like this.

Plus, Arnold and many pro athletes do/did it.. They're sucessful millionaires.
Wait a minute...are you saying there are people who have used performance enhancing drugs and have gone on to live long successful lives? I'm flabbergasted! ;)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 06, 2008, 11:02:21 AM
Well,being around drug use for all those years,I think I have a better idea then you of what the risks are.Unlike you,I don't have to read it,or hear it,I live it.You are a jerk with a computer,who believes dummies like Don HOOTEN and the steroid fear crowd.

I don't know ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person that has EVER had a problem from steroids.NOT ONE,NOT EVER!!!!!That doesn't come off my internet,or out of some second rate magazine,thats called seeing it,living it for myself.Ive known HUNDREADS and HUNDREADS of guys who have juiced for years and years and NOT ONE has had problems.You know better though.

By the way,I included my kid and wife because you did the same exact thing trying to prove you weren't gay.Sorry,it didn't work.I still think your gay and fairly silly.You hate drugs but post on a bodybuilding board.A sport that is dominated by drug use.Very odd.I guess you think your like THE VOICE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS.
How's arthur prince?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 06, 2008, 11:04:55 AM
Wait a minute...are you saying there are people who have used performance enhancing drugs and have gone on to live long successful lives? I'm flabbergasted! ;)

I am just saying that only in bodybuilding do many people go down the drain using performance using drugs.

Look at the movie/music industry, the sports industry and even business. There was an article in the NY Post a few years back about corporate people who worked in downtown and midtown using performance enhancing drugs. And no, I'm not joking or pulling anyone's leg.

Everyone's still hung over from the Superbowl, as they should be.  ;D But does anyone honestly think that many of those linemen could be that big and athletic without drugs?

Everyone uses drugs. Even alcohol is a drug.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on February 06, 2008, 11:45:34 AM
They sure do...  So what's the big deal?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 06, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
Guys seriously, you are always soooo quick to point out that you know a lot of people who have
been juicing and never ever had any health issue.
Even with my limited actual Steroid knowledge I know that most "Complications" will become obvious when you get older,
but by than you can always say, well he was 50 years old many people have a heart attack with 50, or Flex Wheeler... well his kidney failed... happens to many people.
You don't need to be a scientist like Mr Arnold here or a Doctor to figure out that if you take a lot of Insuline and god knows what else you damage your body.
The reason you guys never know ::) or don't want to talk about people that have been damaged by irresponsible (that word is important inn my opinion) Steroid use (I include HG and insulin in that category) is that these people tend to "fade" away.
Hey were is Karl... uh Karl don't feel so good, he has some issues with the Kidneys... yeah a birth defect, he can't train no more.. ANYWAYS  you heard the latest...
See what I mean? The initial problem with Steroid use is that it's so hard to prove that they actually harm you, god damit if somebody could prove to me without the shadow of a doubt that they don't harm you.. I be the first to take some.
But until than i find it incredible stupid and irresponsible to use them (and I do not mean the guys who make money of it nana) I mean the average wannabe gym rat.


And Camel Jockey don't even get me started on Alcohol... that fucking shit makes me so angry.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: emn1964 on February 06, 2008, 12:43:33 PM
Guys seriously, you are always soooo quick to point out that you know a lot of people who have
been juicing and never ever had any health issue.
Even with my limited actual Steroid knowledge I know that most "Complications" will become obvious when you get older,
but by than you can always say, well he was 50 years old many people have a heart attack with 50, or Flex Wheeler... well his kidney failed... happens to many people.
You don't need to be a scientist like Mr Arnold here or a Doctor to figure out that if you take a lot of Insuline and god knows what else you damage your body.
The reason you guys never know ::) or don't want to talk about people that have been damaged by irresponsible (that word is important inn my opinion) Steroid use (I include HG and insulin in that category) is that these people tend to "fade" away.
Hey were is Karl... uh Karl don't feel so good, he has some issues with the Kidneys... yeah a birth defect, he can't train no more.. ANYWAYS  you heard the latest...
See what I mean? The initial problem with Steroid use is that it's so hard to prove that they actually harm you, god damit if somebody could prove to me without the shadow of a doubt that they don't harm you.. I be the first to take some.
But until than i find it incredible stupid and irresponsible to use them (and I do not mean the guys who make money of it nana) I mean the average wannabe gym rat.


And Camel Jockey don't even get me started on Alcohol... that fucking shit makes me so angry.

Who is this Karl of which you speak?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 12:55:44 PM
I wonder what guys like Stark and others who do nothing but consistently bash and insult bodybuilders are doing on a site like this. It's one thing to take potshots at a particular bodybuilder for something they did (like Kai Greene and 'The grapefruit incident'), but something else altogether to simply bash bodybuilders as a whole simply because they juice, which is in their right to do.

Stark and others like Howie - are you saying you are sick of the rampant steroid use thats 'ruining the sport'? Give me a f*cking break. Go and post in some other forum where you see nothing but natural bodybuilders who have 16" arms and weigh 170 lbs shredded. No one is asking you guys to post here. It's OK to have a few laughs here and there, but I'm sure I'm not the only guy who is tired of seeing / hearing guys who do nothing but tear down an already ridiculed sport here in this forum that's about bodybuilding in the first place.

BB has more than it's share of bashers and people who ridicule it (cause the morons who put it down don't know / understand what it's about) as it is. Guess what Stark - if you want to reform the sport along with guys like Howie, go start your own federation and make sure you only get natties to compete, so you can 'save' bodybuilding from the clutches of all the evil steroids ::)

The funniest thing is that the guys who bash the sport are FAAAAAAAAAAR from perfect themselves. If I was one of you guys, I'd look into sorting my life out first. Are you saying your life's great already? Fine then, STFU ;D

Hahahaha that's my meltdown of the day 8)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 12:57:16 PM
Who is this Karl of which you speak?

karl the great you fucking idiot.

(http://www.initiative-grundeinkommen.ch/content/blog/uploaded_images/karl%20der%20grosse-747588.jpg)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 06, 2008, 01:10:42 PM
I still think your gay and fairly silly.You hate drugs but post on a bodybuilding board.A sport that is dominated by drug use.Very odd.I guess you think your like THE VOICE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS.
Haha yes, Stark thinks he is the single SANE voice crying out in the wilderness! LOL
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 06, 2008, 01:15:23 PM
I wonder what guys like Stark and others who do nothing but consistently bash and insult bodybuilders are doing on a site like this.
Exactly, no one gives a flying fuck about true natural bodybuilders, including guys like Stark. Because there is nothing to see. Steroids have desensitized everyone in society to the point that no one can even recognize an elite natural physique if they saw one. People have seen so much steroid induced muscle through popular media, throughout their lives, that even someone who doesn't follow bodybuilding at all doesn't give a second glance to a true elite natural physique, because there is 'nothing' to see.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:17:42 PM
Haha yes, Stark thinks he is the single SANE voice crying out in the wilderness! LOL

He is not the only one and I'm sure he means well. What I fail to see is how it's anyone's business whether Joe bodybuilder is taking Insulin or Test or 50 IUs or 100 IUs

The way I see it, there's a difference between staying alive for the sake of being alive and feeling alive because of what you do. Bodybuilders in general make a choice - they choose to risk their health and all the implied benefits just to attain a certain look. Whether they do it because of a noble / loafty vision or just plain insecurity is up to them and isn't anyone else's problem - I'm sure the reasons run the whole gamut from high to low.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Krankenstein on February 06, 2008, 01:18:21 PM
Just curious.....do you compete at all?

Never got an answer.....bump for response
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:23:30 PM
Exactly, no one gives a flying fuck about true natural bodybuilders, including guys like Stark. Because there is nothing to see. Steroids have desensitized everyone in society to the point that no one can even recognize an elite natural physique if they saw one. People have seen so much steroid induced muscle through popular media, throughout their lives, that even someone who doesn't follow bodybuilding at all doesn't give a second glance to a true elite natural physique, because there is 'nothing' to see.

Very true. Lee Labrada once said that people go to the zoo to see lions and tigers, not cats and dogs. Imagine how incredibly moronic one must be to go to the zoo and demand they get rid of all the big animals (that are the star attraction) and replace them with mediocrity the small ones that you can see anywhere.

What's sad is that I hear that the reason the guys want to get rid of steroids in the sport is because they are concerned about the health of the athletes who "are dying because of it". ROFL - everyone dies someday. The question is, did you do what you want when you were alive? Someone who is really concerned about the health of athletes should put their own money up and start a federation where only guys who are all about health can compete - would probably look like the Billy Gunns Vs Vince Goodrum posedown if it happened ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
Very true. Lee Labrada once said that people go the zoo to see lions and tigers, not cats and dogs. Imagine how incredibly moronic one must be to go to the zoo and demand they get rid of all the big animals (that are the star attraction) and replace them with mediocrity the small ones that you can see anywhere.

What's sad is that I hear that the reason the guys want to get rid of steroids in the sport is because they are concerned about the health of the athletes who "are dying because of it". ROFL - everyone dies someday. The question is, did you do what you want when you were alive? Someone who is really concerned about the health of athletes should put their own money up and start a federation where only guys who are all about health can compete - would probably look like the Billy Gunns Vs Vince Goodrum posedown if it happened ;D

kiwi, you juice?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:34:27 PM
kiwi, you juice?

I haven't even tried PH and don't think I will ever - just don't see the point in doing it given I don't compete and aren't interested in competing either. The reason I got a bit worked up is because I consider myself a fan of the sport and Getbig's one of the few places where I can talk about BB with others who enjoy it as an activity.

Because of my build, nearly every person I see / meet start talking about bodybuilding and I can't tell you if I feel angry or sad or indignant or feel like laughing at some of the things they say (about them not wanting to do juice cause they don't want to look like Arnold and so on ::)). So it's cool to come here and see others who know about the sport discuss stuff in a knowledgeable way. Which is why when guys like Stark start bashing the sport, I'm thinking 'give me a f*cking break'.

Of course, I have a choice not to read the threads and / or refrain from responding, but if it's Stark's right to bash the sport he loves, then I suppose it's mine to defend it to some sort of extent for the very same reason :)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: DK II on February 06, 2008, 01:40:12 PM
But we agree there's no point in juicing to look good at the beach or in a club. Do we?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: _bruce_ on February 06, 2008, 01:40:21 PM
Good post Kiwi  8)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 06, 2008, 01:40:28 PM
Stark and Croatch should start team Anti Juice...

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
Oh, and bigmc's probably going to post my 8 month old pic, so here's something that shows me as I am now
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:47:29 PM
But we agree there's no point in juicing to look good at the beach or in a club. Do we?

No, don't agree ;D

Because what X, Y, Z choose to do with their body is none of my business and shouldn't be. If someone juices cause they want to look good when they go clubbing, it's in their right to do so. Some juice cause it's a short cut / replacement for hard work or to overcome their genetics or whatever. Others do it for a more serious reason, like the pros for example.

If you are personally getting affected adversely by someone else juicing, you'd be fair to say that they shouldn't be doing it, but that's never the case. Guys who have domestic incidents are going to have them anyway - juicing doesn't change a person's character in a fundamental way and turn good people into bad people. I'd say it's  far less harmful compared to alcohol or smoking, both of which I have nothing against either.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: The Master on February 06, 2008, 01:48:53 PM
Well,being around drug use for all those years,I think I have a better idea then you of what the risks are.

Unless you have access to and knowledge of the scientific data surrounding steroid usage and the risks involved, your personal opinion is worthless.

Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: MisterMagoo on February 06, 2008, 01:53:33 PM
Oh, and bigmc's probably going to post my 8 month old pic, so here's something that shows me as I am now

in all fairness, you might be that big now but you first posted that picture at least two years ago. if i'm not mistakeni t was the first shot of yourself you posted back on the V.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:53:53 PM
Unless you have access to and knowledge of the scientific data surrounding steroid usage and the risks involved, your personal opinion is worthless.

Are you saying Billy is no Gary Busey ???
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 06, 2008, 01:55:49 PM
in all fairness, you might be that big now but you first posted that picture at least two years ago. if i'm not mistakeni t was the first shot of yourself you posted back on the V.

No, the first shot I posted of myself 2 years ago is the one below. That pic above is me about a year ago. I haven't taken any recent pics. But I will be taking some soon, in March when NZMM and DVS are coming up to Auckland for the NZ grand prix show. Until then, you only have my word to take for it I suppose ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 06, 2008, 02:13:03 PM

And Camel Jockey don't even get me started on Alcohol... that fucking shit makes me so angry.

Flex's kidney problems had to do with diuretics.

No one's saying that shooting 5 grams of test and various other anabolics, along with insulin and gh is safe.. No's disputing the danger of diuretics, or very heavy stimulant use.

Look at Munzer.. Look at how much shit he took. Not all juicers are like that.

Medical science hasn't shown moderate steroid cycles to be harmful. The cases of people dying are due to a comination of drugs, often totally unrelated to steroids.

Just look at how many bb'ers and wrestlers have died from pain killer use. That stuff kills more people than steroids, weed ever could, and it's prescribed to people.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 06, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
Juice is safe in moderation.  I know guys that have used for thirty years and are in there fifties and have no ill effects.  Get your bloodwork done,watch your oral intake,and don't stay on too long. Alcohol,aspirin,etc can all screw you up if they are overdone.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Arnold jr on February 06, 2008, 06:36:58 PM
Guys seriously, you are always soooo quick to point out that you know a lot of people who have
been juicing and never ever had any health issue.
Even with my limited actual Steroid knowledge I know that most "Complications" will become obvious when you get older,
but by than you can always say, well he was 50 years old many people have a heart attack with 50, or Flex Wheeler... well his kidney failed... happens to many people.
You don't need to be a scientist like Mr Arnold here or a Doctor to figure out that if you take a lot of Insuline and god knows what else you damage your body.
The reason you guys never know ::) or don't want to talk about people that have been damaged by irresponsible (that word is important inn my opinion) Steroid use (I include HG and insulin in that category) is that these people tend to "fade" away.
Hey were is Karl... uh Karl don't feel so good, he has some issues with the Kidneys... yeah a birth defect, he can't train no more.. ANYWAYS  you heard the latest...
See what I mean? The initial problem with Steroid use is that it's so hard to prove that they actually harm you, god damit if somebody could prove to me without the shadow of a doubt that they don't harm you.. I be the first to take some.
But until than i find it incredible stupid and irresponsible to use them (and I do not mean the guys who make money of it nana) I mean the average wannabe gym rat.


And Camel Jockey don't even get me started on Alcohol... that fucking shit makes me so angry.
Does this help?

*Over-all health risk:
Anabolic steroids are used widely in the medical field without any serious health risks to users, and no scientific evidence has shown any long-term serious health defects from correct use of anabolic steroids. While risk of death is present in many drugs, the risk of premature death from use of anabolic steroids seems to be extremely low(1)



*Roid Rage:
One of the most common misconceptions regarding the side effects of anabolic steroids is known as ‘roid rage’. There seems to be little or no evidence such a condition actually exists. Most studies done on "angry behavior" and anabolic steroid use show no psychological effect, implying that either "roid rage" doesn't exist or that anabolic steroids' effects on aggression are too small to be measured. Many scientists and medical professionals conclude anabolic steroids have no real effect on increased aggressive behavior.(4, 5, 6,)


*Suicide:
With the suicide rate this high among teenagers, concluding anabolic steroids are responsible for the suicides of teenagers who happened to be taking them prior to committing suicide is a post hoc logical fallacy. Also, even though teen bodybuilders have been using steroids since at least the early 1960s, only a few cases suggesting a link between steroids and suicide have been reported in the medical literature (7, 8)




1. The National Library of Medicine & National Institutes of Health.
2. The National Library of Medicine & National Institutes of Health.
3. The New England Journal of Medicine
4. Archives of General Psychiatry
5. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
6. National Center for Biotechnology Information.
7. Jack Darkes PhD Department of Psychology University of South Florida
8. National Institute of Mental Health


Note: all studies listed above were done with amounts of AAS that are considered above HRT purposes. In other words, the amounts used in studies were what are typically reserved for performance enhancing purposes.

First off, the NEJM stance on AAS is nothing new...you'd already know this if you had done a little bit of, you know, that word you like to throw around "research."



Fudala P, Weinreib RM, Calarco J, Kampman K, Baordman C> “An Evolution of Anabolic Steroid abusers over a period of 1 Year.” Department of Psychiatry, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.

Bhasin S, Storer TW, Berman N, et al. “The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men.” New England Journal of Medicine 1996; 335: 1-7

Harrison G, Pope, Jr, MD, MPH; Elena M. Kouri, PhD; James I. Hudson, MD, SM. “Effects of Supraphysiologic doses of Testosterone on Mood and Aggression in Normal Men.” Archives of General Psychiatry. 2000



Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S. “The effects of supraphsiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy euogonadal men—a clinical research study” Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA



Darkes J. “Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids and Suicide: A Breif review of the Evidence.” Dept. of Psychology Director of Interventions, Alcohol and Substance Use Research Institute. University of South Florida 2005.

Moscicki EK. Miller M, Azrael D, Hepburn L, Hemenway D, Lippmann SJArango V, Huang YY, Underwood MD, Mann JJ. Kessler RC, Borges G, Walters EE. Petronis KR, Samuels JF, Moscicki EK, Anthony JC. Gould MS, Greenberg T, Velting DM, Shaffer D. Brown GK, Ten Have T, Henriques GR, Xie SX, Hollander JE, Beck ATLinehan MM, Comtois KA, Murray AM, Brown MZ, Gallop RJ, Heard HL, Korslund KE, Tutek DA, Reynolds SK, Lindenboim N. Meltzer HY, Alphs L, Green AI, Altamura AC, Anand R, Bertoldi A, Bourgeois M, Chouinard G, Islam MZ, Kane J, Krishnan R, Lindenmayer JP, Potkin S “Suicide in the U.S.” Statistics and Prevention. National Institute of Mental Health 2006
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Triple-H_2005 on February 06, 2008, 06:53:55 PM
Too much logic for the anti-anabolic crew! ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: XFACTOR on February 06, 2008, 07:11:59 PM
No, the first shot I posted of myself 2 years ago is the one below. That pic above is me about a year ago. I haven't taken any recent pics. But I will be taking some soon, in March when NZMM and DVS are coming up to Auckland for the NZ grand prix show. Until then, you only have my word to take for it I suppose ;D

We all apreciate you keeping that face out of the pic.  :P
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Luv2Hurt on February 06, 2008, 07:15:53 PM
Guys seriously, you are always soooo quick to point out that you know a lot of people who have
been juicing and never ever had any health issue.
Even with my limited actual Steroid knowledge I know that most "Complications" will become obvious when you get older,
but by than you can always say, well he was 50 years old many people have a heart attack with 50, or Flex Wheeler... well his kidney failed... happens to many people.
You don't need to be a scientist like Mr Arnold here or a Doctor to figure out that if you take a lot of Insuline and god knows what else you damage your body.
The reason you guys never know ::) or don't want to talk about people that have been damaged by irresponsible (that word is important inn my opinion) Steroid use (I include HG and insulin in that category) is that these people tend to "fade" away.
Hey were is Karl... uh Karl don't feel so good, he has some issues with the Kidneys... yeah a birth defect, he can't train no more.. ANYWAYS  you heard the latest...
See what I mean? The initial problem with Steroid use is that it's so hard to prove that they actually harm you, god damit if somebody could prove to me without the shadow of a doubt that they don't harm you.. I be the first to take some.
But until than i find it incredible stupid and irresponsible to use them (and I do not mean the guys who make money of it nana) I mean the average wannabe gym rat.


And Camel Jockey don't even get me started on Alcohol... that fucking shit makes me so angry.

Stark is a very abrasive individual and the title along with some of the stuff he said is derogetory. But this post here deserves some merit, it does bring up a good point I feel, there maybe some truth to it.

Do have a hard time understanding why he feels its OK for "guys making money from it" to abuse steroids but not a "wannabe gym rat"??  Are they not as bad for both?  Is some asperations of making money worth the risk of someones health?  Dont they die the same?
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2008, 01:11:35 AM
Stark is a very abrasive individual and the title along with some of the stuff he said is derogetory. But this post here deserves some merit, it does bring up a good point I feel, there maybe some truth to it.

Do have a hard time understanding why he feels its OK for "guys making money from it" to abuse steroids but not a "wannabe gym rat"??  Are they not as bad for both?  Is some asperations of making money worth the risk of someones health?  Dont they die the same?

Luv2Hurt I think I pick you out of the many (I mean it I love to discuss anything its fun so I will respond to the rest of you guys later)

Luv2Hurt, I never said (at least not to my knowlage) that I think it's ok for the Pro Bodybuildier or the once that make money by Bodybuilding to take Steroids, I find it stupid to hurt yourself for money but if that is the choice they have to make to earn some money...well so be it however Gymrats people like myself who simply like to lift as heavy as they can and enjoy the aspects of doing something not mainstream something that requires your listening to your body getting to know you better and in the mean time *if you want to* learn a shitloads about nutrititan, Muscles, Diets and so forth...these guys and girls who drag this sport into the dirt by using minless amounts of Steroids simply so they can stroll in the gym pretend they are hardcore.
Fuck'em.

Ps. I'm sorry if you fell that my post is derogetory, it is a subject I feel strongly about and I may sound harsh just because I want to make a point.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: kiwiol on February 07, 2008, 07:40:54 AM
We all apreciate you keeping that face out of the pic.  :P

LOL!
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Snotroot on February 07, 2008, 07:57:04 AM
juice rules , just accept it.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2008, 08:09:55 AM
juice rules , just accept it.

yeah I like applejuice as well
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Snotroot on February 07, 2008, 08:13:04 AM
yeah I like applejuice as well
Glad you like it.  to bad  it has done much for your size little man.
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2008, 08:15:49 AM
Glad you like it.  to bad  it has done much for your size little man.

Oh what an insult ::) Please somebody help me somebody over the "internet" just called me little :D
You seem to be the kinda guy that would join a gym purly so he can sneak into the mens drawer and sniff on old mens underwear :D gayer than respecting woman my friend


Fake edit: Shit I've just seen you have only 200 posts, sorry I ain't talking to new jacks :( I'm busy "raping" the people who have been around for a while ;)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: TooPowerful4u on February 07, 2008, 08:21:17 AM
WTF IS GOING ON HERE IN THIS THREAD?

SF is actually civil and straight forward and isnt acting like a child and Kiwol is pretty jacked?  WOw....if SF ever loses his gut and posts a ripped picture im just quitting this board lol
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2008, 08:22:48 AM
WTF IS GOING ON HERE IN THIS THREAD?

SF is actually civil and straight forward and isnt acting like a child and Kiwol is pretty jacked?  WOw....if SF ever loses his gut and posts a ripped picture im just quitting this board lol

Your post number is 666 that ain't good bro :(
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: TooPowerful4u on February 07, 2008, 09:02:03 AM
Your post number is 666 that ain't good bro :(

ahhh FUKK!!  whew...ok thats better!  ;D
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
ahhh FUKK!!  whew...ok thats better!  ;D

ah your good again :)
Title: Re: Attn: ALL you Steroid Monkeys... you disgust and sadden me.
Post by: Snotroot on February 07, 2008, 09:33:00 AM
Oh what an insult ::) Please somebody help me somebody over the "internet" just called me little :D
You seem to be the kinda guy that would join a gym purly so he can sneak into the mens drawer and sniff on old mens underwear :D gayer than respecting woman my friend


Fake edit: Shit I've just seen you have only 200 posts, sorry I ain't talking to new jacks :( I'm busy "raping" the people who have been around for a while ;)
Glad I got your homoness attention.  I might only have 200 posts but ive been here for years.  just put more time into working out than waiting for someone to respond,unlike you Player. ::)