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H GH,
Hope all is well. I am reading your posts with great interest and appreciate the interesting information you provide here. Allow me to ask you a few other questions.
First, you have said, in many occasions, that so and so bodybuilder got himself very sick or had to retire from BBing due to abusing drugs in order to grow too quickly. But in other posts you are talking about the incredible doses that the average pro takes, such as 5 grams of injectables per week. My question to you is: How can a pro BBer hurt himself if 5 grams of stuff per week is still considered OK? You cannot take much more than that anyways because you would totally run out of places to inject. Similar with insulin. People are taking 50 iu a day or more, you are saying. So how much are those who get sick on it take? 200 iu? Doesn't sound likely. I understand that you can f*ck yourself up with recreational drugs, but how can you damage yourself with hormones? What crazy doses would you need?
Also, I am very curious if you can actually clarify some aspects of a pro BBer's life. For example.
- How many days a week and how many hours in each session do they train? (talking off-season, so just the weights not including any cardio)
- How many hours do those guys sleep?
- How many calories do they really eat?
- Can they sleep without sleep medication while taking such huge quantities of androgens?
I am not going to try and do the same as a natural guy but I am just curious... Thanks
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you can get the answer from one bodybuilder, or perhaps even a few, however there are some like myself who have worked with and been with so many pros that they know the truth behind what "really" goes on behind the scenes.
Most diets that bodybuilders claim, talk about and have in print are complete bullshit
Most of the "cycles" that they claim are total bullshit
There is such a huge variance and difference between training styles, intensity etc. its unreal
Some sleep naturally and some use a ton of xanax, valium, clonazepam etc.
Some have so much joint pain they start using nubain, hydrocodones and worse
Some take the pain and work around it without using anything.
Its so across the board that it goes from almost natural to extreme drug addict.
Its one of the craziest things and types of variants that I got to see first hand.
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H GH,
Hope all is well. I am reading your posts with great interest and appreciate the interesting information you provide here. Allow me to ask you a few other questions.
First, you have said, in many occasions, that so and so bodybuilder got himself very sick or had to retire from BBing due to abusing drugs in order to grow too quickly. But in other posts you are talking about the incredible doses that the average pro takes, such as 5 grams of injectables per week. My question to you is: How can a pro BBer hurt himself if 5 grams of stuff per week is still considered OK? You cannot take much more than that anyways because you would totally run out of places to inject. Similar with insulin. People are taking 50 iu a day or more, you are saying. So how much are those who get sick on it take? 200 iu? Doesn't sound likely. I understand that you can f*ck yourself up with recreational drugs, but how can you damage yourself with hormones? What crazy doses would you need?
Also, I am very curious if you can actually clarify some aspects of a pro BBer's life. For example.
- How many days a week and how many hours in each session do they train? (talking off-season, so just the weights not including any cardio)
- How many hours do those guys sleep?
- How many calories do they really eat?
- Can they sleep without sleep medication while taking such huge quantities of androgens?
I am not going to try and do the same as a natural guy but I am just curious... Thanks
the abuse of drugs are the abuse of narcotics drugs friend,,hormone and thier abuse is common among any bodybuilder,,the most difference you will find between the average bodybuilder and a professional one is the abuse and misuse of narcotics drugs and their relatives,,,the ability to become a professional lay not only in your response to hormone but also on your tolarence of many drugs,,ofcourse the musacle shape an d symetry and all that good things also is big factor but it has a big aspect of hormones and other drugs,,but hormones isused by anyone ,,matt c from this board uses them and so is keith who used them,,but the question is not who uses little hormones but who uses enough and consistant enough and will add the right dcombo of drugs into serious traiing inorder to compete for a professional card and may or may not win it
not to forget ,,a professional has been to all drugs and the tolarence levels are high ,,,in many cases professional as of 2008 means a drug addict and it has nothing to do with the 5 gram of hormones only ,,it has to do with a lot more
now to your other questions,,life of a professional is a dependent of how many drugs he can get and how much he can take,,there is not a lot of time to eat as uch as needed ,,sometimes you got to eat a lot and you eat junk ,,what important is how you work around it and working around it means drugs and adjustments in diet,,most of us train 45-1 hour a day 5 times a week ,,more before competition ,,ONLY IF ON HORMONES,,no hormones = limited to no training,,there is stupid rule that bodybuilders since 2000 started to make and it is the 14-17 set rule,,,it applys well to the drugged bodybuilder which is 99.9% of bodybuilders but still a stupid rule who tells to not work a muscle/bodypart for less than 14 sets or more than 17 sets per session ,,it is a rule made by a profeesional i wont name but i say anything between 8-20 sets per bodypart can work wekk epending on many factors OUTSIDE THE GYM,,
we sleep as much as possible trying to get 8-10 but due to all the drugs its not so hard to find a bodybuilder sleeps 12 hours a night,,i recomend 8 hours and if you do nothing but bodybuilding 5-8 hours will do
we eat a lot ,,calories is key factor in growth,,you dont eat you dont grow ,,you can have inner stength you can push 4 plates each side while curving your back with spotter for your 3 reps,,but NO CALORIES = NO SIZE PERIOD
most bodybuilders that compete in hgiher level use sleep aids to fall asleep,,same as other drugs used for anyother performence
as a natural guy you will be 160lb somewhat cut at 7-8% if lucky at 5'8 ,,natural gets you no where especially now days when every one gets hormones like penuts,,you chose hard sport to be in because the main problem of it is the denial and lies ,,most bodybuuilders when it comes to training are not as intense as their lies about the drugs used,,i wish it was vise versa but its not,,most bodybuilders are drug addicts and WILL NOT TRAIN WITH OUT DRUGS
good luck
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you can get the answer from one bodybuilder, or perhaps even a few, however there are some like myself who have worked with and been with so many pros that they know the truth behind what "really" goes on behind the scenes.
Most diets that bodybuilders claim, talk about and have in print are complete bullshit
Most of the "cycles" that they claim are total bullshit
There is such a huge variance and difference between training styles, intensity etc. its unreal
Some sleep naturally and some use a ton of xanax, valium, clonazepam etc.
Some have so much joint pain they start using nubain, hydrocodones and worse
Some take the pain and work around it without using anything.
Its so across the board that it goes from almost natural to extreme drug addict.
Its one of the craziest things and types of variants that I got to see first hand.
Nail on the head.
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you can get the answer from one bodybuilder, or perhaps even a few, however there are some like myself who have worked with and been with so many pros that they know the truth behind what "really" goes on behind the scenes.
Most diets that bodybuilders claim, talk about and have in print are complete bullshit
Most of the "cycles" that they claim are total bullshit
There is such a huge variance and difference between training styles, intensity etc. its unreal
Some sleep naturally and some use a ton of xanax, valium, clonazepam etc.
Some have so much joint pain they start using nubain, hydrocodones and worse
Some take the pain and work around it without using anything.
Its so across the board that it goes from almost natural to extreme drug addict.
Its one of the craziest things and types of variants that I got to see first hand.
are you going to start doing "pm questions" threads to rival gh? I'd like to see you put together a big ass anabolic Q&A thread.
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as a natural guy you will be 160lb somewhat cut at 7-8% if lucky at 5'8 ,,natural gets you no where especially now days when every one gets hormones like penuts
You're exaggerating that just a bit. ::) Your point that you can't get anthing close to pro/national competetor weights without a boatload of drugs is valid, but suggesting a 160lb limit for a ripped natural is just plain inaccurate.
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You're exaggerating that just a bit. ::) Your point that you can't get anthing close to pro/national competetor weights without a boatload of drugs is valid, but suggesting a 160lb limit for a ripped natural is just plain inaccurate.
correct. you see a lot of high school kids at this level without being 'hormonized'.
after saying he personally gave 8 mil to john mccain after having a lng talk with the senator, i'm taking everything gh15 says with a grain of salt.
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the abuse of drugs are the abuse of narcotics drugs friend,,hormone and thier abuse is common among any bodybuilder,,the most difference you will find between the average bodybuilder and a professional one is the abuse and misuse of narcotics drugs and their relatives,,,the ability to become a professional lay not only in your response to hormone but also on your tolarence of many drugs,,ofcourse the musacle shape an d symetry and all that good things also is big factor but it has a big aspect of hormones and other drugs,,but hormones isused by anyone ,,matt c from this board uses them and so is keith who used them,,but the question is not who uses little hormones but who uses enough and consistant enough and will add the right dcombo of drugs into serious traiing inorder to compete for a professional card and may or may not win it
not to forget ,,a professional has been to all drugs and the tolarence levels are high ,,,in many cases professional as of 2008 means a drug addict and it has nothing to do with the 5 gram of hormones only ,,it has to do with a lot more
now to your other questions,,life of a professional is a dependent of how many drugs he can get and how much he can take,,there is not a lot of time to eat as uch as needed ,,sometimes you got to eat a lot and you eat junk ,,what important is how you work around it and working around it means drugs and adjustments in diet,,most of us train 45-1 hour a day 5 times a week ,,more before competition ,,ONLY IF ON HORMONES,,no hormones = limited to no training,,there is stupid rule that bodybuilders since 2000 started to make and it is the 14-17 set rule,,,it applys well to the drugged bodybuilder which is 99.9% of bodybuilders but still a stupid rule who tells to not work a muscle/bodypart for less than 14 sets or more than 17 sets per session ,,it is a rule made by a profeesional i wont name but i say anything between 8-20 sets per bodypart can work wekk epending on many factors OUTSIDE THE GYM,,
we sleep as much as possible trying to get 8-10 but due to all the drugs its not so hard to find a bodybuilder sleeps 12 hours a night,,i recomend 8 hours and if you do nothing but bodybuilding 5-8 hours will do
we eat a lot ,,calories is key factor in growth,,you dont eat you dont grow ,,you can have inner stength you can push 4 plates each side while curving your back with spotter for your 3 reps,,but NO CALORIES = NO SIZE PERIOD
most bodybuilders that compete in hgiher level use sleep aids to fall asleep,,same as other drugs used for anyother performence
as a natural guy you will be 160lb somewhat cut at 7-8% if lucky at 5'8 ,,natural gets you no where especially now days when every one gets hormones like penuts,,you chose hard sport to be in because the main problem of it is the denial and lies ,,most bodybuuilders when it comes to training are not as intense as their lies about the drugs used,,i wish it was vise versa but its not,,most bodybuilders are drug addicts and WILL NOT TRAIN WITH OUT DRUGS
good luck
My God I wonder at what point has Bodybuilding taken the wrong turn... what a waste of the one life you got.
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are you going to start doing "pm questions" threads to rival gh? I'd like to see you put together a big ass anabolic Q&A thread.
I will talk about anything that is the truth and I am more than happy to start sharing all the things I have experienced, seen and been involved with as long as nothing I say or show could be used directly to get anyone in trouble.
Despite what people think I dont want anyone to get in trouble or have their careers or lives ruined, but as far as the real truth and the real behind the scenes stuff. Why not.
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My God I wonder at what point has Bodybuilding taken the wrong turn... what a waste of the one life you got.
Ya, but a bigger wastes of the one life you get is posting nearly 10 000 times on getbig ;D
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can't beat the up front advice and truths behind the sport that gh15 provides!! keep it coming gh15!!!
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you can get the answer from one bodybuilder, or perhaps even a few, however there are some like myself who have worked with and been with so many pros that they know the truth behind what "really" goes on behind the scenes.
Most diets that bodybuilders claim, talk about and have in print are complete bullshit
Most of the "cycles" that they claim are total bullshit
There is such a huge variance and difference between training styles, intensity etc. its unreal
Some sleep naturally and some use a ton of xanax, valium, clonazepam etc.
Some have so much joint pain they start using nubain, hydrocodones and worse
Some take the pain and work around it without using anything.
Its so across the board that it goes from almost natural to extreme drug addict.
Its one of the craziest things and types of variants that I got to see first hand.
True, if you want to be a pro bodybuilder, your health comes in second...
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so bodybuilders aren't the poster boys of health, i've never heard that b4
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Most diets that bodybuilders claim, talk about and have in print are complete bullshit
Do you mean that they eat a lot of junk food whether off season or in contest prep?
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Do you mean that they eat a lot of junk food whether off season or in contest prep?
Both. I have seen guys eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (4 at a time) only a few weeks out from the Olympia, and no they were not "carb loading" or having a cheat day. It was caught red handed. Shit we went by the mall once before a show and saw another pro inside the food court chowing down on pizza. It happens all the time. The strictness and hardcore all the way does not exist but within a handful of people. Most everybody cheats like crazy all the time.
One of my good friends eats rice krispy treats and cinnamon twist treats like they are going out of style - regardless of on or off season. I laugh about it every time I think about it.
Another one of my friens who has had his mass diet all over FLEX did not know where the diet came from as it was not from him, and he never did it himself. We ate at Ghengis grill, steak n shake, Outback etc. on a daily basis. Most of the guys I know eat fast food at least once a day.
Of course there are exceptions. Some guys eat really clean when prepping and only cheat once in a while, but a common thread seems to be that there is consistent cheating until about the 4 week mark then people realize ooh shit if I dont buckle down I am screwed.
Then others like a friend of mine did one time is to go get whataburger just before the San Fran Pro and said "I am in ketosis so my body will use the fats and carbs to help cut me up" the next day he looked like a dough boy because the day before he had some pizza. So he was definitely NOT in ketosis =)
The diets are mainly a complete joke. Most guys I have spoken with have no clue what they are doing. Instead of using common sense they are paying someone thousands of dollars to copy diets from FLEX and re charge them for it and call themselves gurus.
The actual strategy and science that is so specific and important comes in those last 4 weeks. That is where you really make the big changes and the last 2 weeks are so crucial. That is where some of the money can be wisely spent when using gurus. However most pros keep changing things for every show so they never find out what is actually working or not working. They change too many variables all the time they cant pin point which area is helping them or hurting them the most.
I have heard stupid shit like a trainer working with girls tell one girl she needs to eat 9 almonds another 12 almonds and yet another girl 11 almonds. I stood there in total disbelief. As if the difference between 9, 11, and 12 almonds is going to make or break a woman on stage. They actually paid for that advice.
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I have heard stupid shit like a trainer working with girls tell one girl she needs to eat 9 almonds another 12 almonds and yet another girl 11 almonds. I stood there in total disbelief. As if the difference between 9, 11, and 12 almonds is going to make or break a woman on stage. They actually paid for that advice.
Throwing out a random odd number sounds like a good trick to make people think he REALLY knows what he's doing. He's like a magician, he knows whether an athlete NEEDS 11 or 13 almonds.
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Throwing out a random odd number sounds like a good trick to make people think he REALLY knows what he's doing. He's like a magician, he knows whether an athlete NEEDS 11 or 13 almonds.
I say if he makes them believe that number of almonds will make them peak, then they will peak on that number of almonds. In this way, gurus are primarily helpful on a psychological level...the athletes need someone to put their faith in and usually total faith in a good guru will get you there, believe it or not. A good guru is worth alot to the right people.
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Both. I have seen guys eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (4 at a time) only a few weeks out from the Olympia, and no they were not "carb loading" or having a cheat day. It was caught red handed. Shit we went by the mall once before a show and saw another pro inside the food court chowing down on pizza. It happens all the time. The strictness and hardcore all the way does not exist but within a handful of people. Most everybody cheats like crazy all the time.
One of my good friends eats rice krispy treats and cinnamon twist treats like they are going out of style - regardless of on or off season. I laugh about it every time I think about it.
Another one of my friens who has had his mass diet all over FLEX did not know where the diet came from as it was not from him, and he never did it himself. We ate at Ghengis grill, steak n shake, Outback etc. on a daily basis. Most of the guys I know eat fast food at least once a day.
Of course there are exceptions. Some guys eat really clean when prepping and only cheat once in a while, but a common thread seems to be that there is consistent cheating until about the 4 week mark then people realize ooh shit if I dont buckle down I am screwed.
Then others like a friend of mine did one time is to go get whataburger just before the San Fran Pro and said "I am in ketosis so my body will use the fats and carbs to help cut me up" the next day he looked like a dough boy because the day before he had some pizza. So he was definitely NOT in ketosis =)
The diets are mainly a complete joke. Most guys I have spoken with have no clue what they are doing. Instead of using common sense they are paying someone thousands of dollars to copy diets from FLEX and re charge them for it and call themselves gurus.
The actual strategy and science that is so specific and important comes in those last 4 weeks. That is where you really make the big changes and the last 2 weeks are so crucial. That is where some of the money can be wisely spent when using gurus. However most pros keep changing things for every show so they never find out what is actually working or not working. They change too many variables all the time they cant pin point which area is helping them or hurting them the most.
I have heard stupid shit like a trainer working with girls tell one girl she needs to eat 9 almonds another 12 almonds and yet another girl 11 almonds. I stood there in total disbelief. As if the difference between 9, 11, and 12 almonds is going to make or break a woman on stage. They actually paid for that advice.
Cut260,
Can you tell us about the cycle's you have done ? Keep it real
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great post cut260, would like to hear more of this...........without dropping names ofcourse.
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Both. I have seen guys eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (4 at a time) only a few weeks out from the Olympia, and no they were not "carb loading" or having a cheat day. It was caught red handed. Shit we went by the mall once before a show and saw another pro inside the food court chowing down on pizza. It happens all the time. The strictness and hardcore all the way does not exist but within a handful of people. Most everybody cheats like crazy all the time.
One of my good friends eats rice krispy treats and cinnamon twist treats like they are going out of style - regardless of on or off season. I laugh about it every time I think about it.
Another one of my friens who has had his mass diet all over FLEX did not know where the diet came from as it was not from him, and he never did it himself. We ate at Ghengis grill, steak n shake, Outback etc. on a daily basis. Most of the guys I know eat fast food at least once a day.
Of course there are exceptions. Some guys eat really clean when prepping and only cheat once in a while, but a common thread seems to be that there is consistent cheating until about the 4 week mark then people realize ooh shit if I dont buckle down I am screwed.
Then others like a friend of mine did one time is to go get whataburger just before the San Fran Pro and said "I am in ketosis so my body will use the fats and carbs to help cut me up" the next day he looked like a dough boy because the day before he had some pizza. So he was definitely NOT in ketosis =)
The diets are mainly a complete joke. Most guys I have spoken with have no clue what they are doing. Instead of using common sense they are paying someone thousands of dollars to copy diets from FLEX and re charge them for it and call themselves gurus.
The actual strategy and science that is so specific and important comes in those last 4 weeks. That is where you really make the big changes and the last 2 weeks are so crucial. That is where some of the money can be wisely spent when using gurus. However most pros keep changing things for every show so they never find out what is actually working or not working. They change too many variables all the time they cant pin point which area is helping them or hurting them the most.
I have heard stupid shit like a trainer working with girls tell one girl she needs to eat 9 almonds another 12 almonds and yet another girl 11 almonds. I stood there in total disbelief. As if the difference between 9, 11, and 12 almonds is going to make or break a woman on stage. They actually paid for that advice.
i personaly approve the above,,through out my career i been to many many days on season and off season eating the wollowing
penut butter choklate rice cripsys ,,boxes of it
sushi in the bulk! they know when i enter a place it has to be made of steam rice and not sticky rice but bulk of it! as in 50-100 pieaces per meal
chinease food at many many times during offseason mainly carry chiken and kong foo something noodels with some eggroles
coffee tasting bars,,chokolate penut butter spreads,,
low fat turky hot dogs in whole wheat buns through out the year in diff occations
pizza at times (with piza i always tried to keep it more isolated as in once every 30 days or 60 days but! when i eat it its a whole medium or large pizza myself) i found the replacing pizza with waxy maize gets you exactly as full as you want and give youi the right calories only diff you can do it every single day multiple times a day and not gain fat what so ever nor bloat (minimal bloat due to the drugs not the waxy maize)
jamaican foods allthoguh out my career ,,its very good food for muscle,,majority of jamaican people are big if you take notice,,manyof them have good size
indian food,,korean food,,thai food to a lesser degree,,
ate in outback when in america many times ,,so is firehouse and steak and shake and all that good stuff
what do i try to avoid? MEXICAN FOOD,,TOO MUCH MCDONALDS ,,MILK AND too much cheese if at all beside piza,,TOO MANY SOUCY DISHES ,,
always try to balance things out throughout the month but I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY BODYBUILDER IN MY LIFE TIME WHO STICKED TO CLEAN FOOD NONE STOP ,,THOSE BODYBUILDERS ARE EXIST BUT THEY ARE USUALLY SITTING RIGHT AT THE 5'7 160LB 8-9% ,,THEY JUST CANT GROW,,YOU DO NOT GROW ON ONLY CLEAN FOOD IT IS NOT POSSIBLE ,,YOU CANT GROW ON CHIKEN AND RICE ONLY EVEN IF YOU EAT IT 20 TIMES A DAY,,THE BODY DOESNT WORK THIS WAY ,,CALORIE IS NOT A CALORIE,,THE BRAIN FUNCTION ON STIMULANTS,,YOUR BODY WILL NOT RESPOND TO CHIKEN AND RICE ONLY UNLESS! YOU TRY TO PREP AND LOSE WEIGHT! OR MAINTAINTIN WEIGHT BUT NEVER GROWING,,THE DIET ON ONLY CHIKEN AND RICE AND SOME PENUT BUTTER IS A DIET THAT IN MOST CASES WILL LEAVE YOU VERY WEAK ,,SMALLER THAN YOU COULD HAVE COME,,AND WILL MAKE YOUR PREP A HELL AND YOU STILL WONT WIN ANYTHING AT THE END BECAUSE YOU WILL COME THE SMALLEST WITH PLENTY OF GUYS PLACING BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THEY DIDNT KNOW WHAT DIET WAS AND TOOK THE RIGHTG DRUGS AND JUST REDIUCED CALORIES BUT NEVER COUNTED ON THIS STUPID BELIEF OF ONLY CHIKEN AND RICE,,
WHO STARTED THIS IDEA? I DONT KNOW BUT IT IS SAME AS DECA DICK,,,ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD!
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There is so much crap talked about in this industry how would anyone know unless you live in their medicine draw each and every day.Just think Endocrine system shut down,Insulin dependant adult diabetes,Thyroxine for the rest of there lives as thyroid gland shut down,Kidney problems from heavy Diuretic use,Liver problems from detoxing so many drugs,High blood pressure,Heart problems,Infections from injections and so many more complications and for what??A hand full of guys make some $$$$$ but most don't even own a home.I think EGO might have something to do with it.And I have not even mentioned Rec drugs.So much for a healthy sport,Momo,Munzer,Mentzer,Chris Dim,Materazzo,Milos,and a whole lot more the list is way too many to type. ::)
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I will talk about anything that is the truth and I am more than happy to start sharing all the things I have experienced, seen and been involved with as long as nothing I say or show could be used directly to get anyone in trouble.
Despite what people think I dont want anyone to get in trouble or have their careers or lives ruined, but as far as the real truth and the real behind the scenes stuff. Why not.
you seem like a stand up guy, past history a side. Some reason you come off as sincere.
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the abuse of drugs are the abuse of narcotics drugs friend,,hormone and thier abuse is common among any bodybuilder,,the most difference you will find between the average bodybuilder and a professional one is the abuse and misuse of narcotics drugs and their relatives,,,the ability to become a professional lay not only in your response to hormone but also on your tolarence of many drugs,,ofcourse the musacle shape an d symetry and all that good things also is big factor but it has a big aspect of hormones and other drugs,,but hormones isused by anyone ,,matt c from this board uses them and so is keith who used them,,but the question is not who uses little hormones but who uses enough and consistant enough and will add the right dcombo of drugs into serious traiing inorder to compete for a professional card and may or may not win it
not to forget ,,a professional has been to all drugs and the tolarence levels are high ,,,in many cases professional as of 2008 means a drug addict and it has nothing to do with the 5 gram of hormones only ,,it has to do with a lot more
now to your other questions,,life of a professional is a dependent of how many drugs he can get and how much he can take,,there is not a lot of time to eat as uch as needed ,,sometimes you got to eat a lot and you eat junk ,,what important is how you work around it and working around it means drugs and adjustments in diet,,most of us train 45-1 hour a day 5 times a week ,,more before competition ,,ONLY IF ON HORMONES,,no hormones = limited to no training,,there is stupid rule that bodybuilders since 2000 started to make and it is the 14-17 set rule,,,it applys well to the drugged bodybuilder which is 99.9% of bodybuilders but still a stupid rule who tells to not work a muscle/bodypart for less than 14 sets or more than 17 sets per session ,,it is a rule made by a profeesional i wont name but i say anything between 8-20 sets per bodypart can work wekk epending on many factors OUTSIDE THE GYM,,
we sleep as much as possible trying to get 8-10 but due to all the drugs its not so hard to find a bodybuilder sleeps 12 hours a night,,i recomend 8 hours and if you do nothing but bodybuilding 5-8 hours will do
we eat a lot ,,calories is key factor in growth,,you dont eat you dont grow ,,you can have inner stength you can push 4 plates each side while curving your back with spotter for your 3 reps,,but NO CALORIES = NO SIZE PERIOD
most bodybuilders that compete in hgiher level use sleep aids to fall asleep,,same as other drugs used for anyother performence
as a natural guy you will be 160lb somewhat cut at 7-8% if lucky at 5'8 ,,natural gets you no where especially now days when every one gets hormones like penuts,,you chose hard sport to be in because the main problem of it is the denial and lies ,,most bodybuuilders when it comes to training are not as intense as their lies about the drugs used,,i wish it was vise versa but its not,,most bodybuilders are drug addicts and WILL NOT TRAIN WITH OUT DRUGS
good luck
Congrats on learning to spell!
Jason
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as a natural guy you will be 160lb somewhat cut at 7-8% if lucky at 5'8 ,,natural gets you no where especially now days when every one gets hormones like penuts,,you chose hard sport to be in because the main problem of it is the denial and lies ,,most bodybuuilders when it comes to training are not as intense as their lies about the drugs used,,i wish it was vise versa but its not,,most bodybuilders are drug addicts and WILL NOT TRAIN WITH OUT DRUGS
good luck
I agree with the last part, but 160lbs at 5' 8" naturally is a joke. I was that in 93'..haha At 17. Probably 5%.
My favorite is when I talk to a gear user and I know he's lying to me about what he's taking at the time. These guys reek of insecurity. Especially, when I dominate more than 85% of juiced up physiques. I can't imagine someone on no drugs owning my physique, I felt I had to lie to no be embarassed. Once drugs are involved, you never know what quantities or when someone is using or not. It seems like any time I ask, they always reply..."I'm off now." Most people are simply weak.
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I agree with the last part, but 160lbs at 5' 8" naturally is a joke. I was that in 93'..haha At 17. Probably 5%.
My favorite is when I talk to a gear user and I know he's lying to me about what he's taking at the time. These guys reek of insecurity. Especially, when I dominate more than 85% of juiced up physiques. I can't imagine someone on no drugs owning my physique, I felt I had to lie to no be embarassed. Once drugs are involved, you never know what quantities or when someone is using or not. It seems like any time I ask, they always reply..."I'm off now." Most people are simply weak.
juice heads are always "off"
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Cut260,
There has been lots of discussions about the doses and drug cycles of Pros. GH15says 5 grams of gear and up per week; some say that's too much, some say that's too little. What do you say a Pro takes? Not neccesarily someone who is top 5 at the Olympia, but a guy who steps on stage at 250 or more? Do they really do 5 grams a week?
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Do they really do 5 grams a week?
Yes but that would be test alone. Add all the other substances and you get a lot more.
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bump to hear more from others as well as cut 260
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Cut260,
There has been lots of discussions about the doses and drug cycles of Pros. GH15says 5 grams of gear and up per week; some say that's too much, some say that's too little. What do you say a Pro takes? Not neccesarily someone who is top 5 at the Olympia, but a guy who steps on stage at 250 or more? Do they really do 5 grams a week?
If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
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Gottdamn! My upper glutes, delts and thighs ACHE by just imagining that. I calculate at least 22-25 injections per week. OUCH!
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Cuts260,
What would be a pros offseason cycle then? And is GH15 correct with the amount of slin used, I think he said anywhere from 60-80 iu a day. Good info. dude, keep it coming ;D
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Cuts260,
What would be a pros offseason cycle then? And is GH15 correct with the amount of slin used, I think he said anywhere from 60-80 iu a day. Good info. dude, keep it coming ;D
I'm interested in that as well.
Dave, did that guy doing the Olympia use insulin during his precontest?
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If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
yep
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If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
Hope he placed in the top 5!!! Where the fuck do you shoot that???
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A lot of it is and can be oral.
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it alot more with many of us,,what this fella tells you is true to a number of us,,remember gurus and drug dealer are the suppliers and the ones arrested and live in shadows,,the ones who actually take it and i tld you this 1000 times befoire take a lot more,,sometimes bordering 10 gram and the growth is at 15-35 units a day
most gurus gh15 is aware of (put disgusted aside since hes not) are dealing with narcotics and been around narcotics and have recoprds from america to thailand and back ,,they all stand behind underground garbage ,,,all have and support ip like jason pegg...,,they all waiting to get busted or sit in a diff country praying that the underground will continuie ,,,let me break the news for you friend,,,,underground is finished by 2010 as in 100% done and finished,,the ip is now being look after in the country of origin and the look after nordic alsoi known as peptide is at all time high in country of origin,,
in any case the cucle alinged here is true but not complete ,,gh15 outlined a cycle here a year ago,,nto written by gh15 but approved by gh15 ,,,this is where you need to look for your answer more or less when it comes to top professionals mid 90s to todays
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If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
cuts why the 700mg proviron? Isnt that a shit load? Whats the theory behind that kind of dose? And thanks for sharing some info.
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cuts why the 700mg proviron? Isnt that a shit load? Whats the theory behind that kind of dose? And thanks for sharing some info.
That's just 4 tabs a day. Not very toxic, so it's just peanuts :D
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That's just 4 tabs a day. Not very toxic, so it's just peanuts :D
lol last time i had real proviron it was 50mg a tab
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That's just 4 tabs a day. Not very toxic, so it's just peanuts :D
Yep, 50 to 100mg daily is average. Also, and I'm sure cuts will answer this, it's not a lot of stuff considering that most of it is the last 5 weeks.
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Nail on the head.
Dis, as someone who is an "insider" in the industry, why do you that is? Why so much bullshit, I mean?
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As far as what?
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That's just 4 tabs a day. Not very toxic, so it's just peanuts :D
well proviron can basically make other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen, as well as increasing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body and its not a c 17 so its not very toxic to your liver. Of course its got negetives as well which is being dht based. Its really safe for bridging cycles and also not affecting lh/fsh homrones and what not but thats all in the 100-200mg range .
I was just wondering if theres some magic at 700 as i have never heard a dose that high, although im sure its for the last 5 weeks and being used for its hardening effect more then anything
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well proviron can basically make other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen, as well as increasing the amount of circulating free testosterone in your body and its not a c 17 so its not very toxic to your liver. Of course its got negetives as well which is being dht based. Its really safe for bridging cycles and also not affecting lh/fsh homrones and what not but thats all in the 100-200mg range .
I was just wondering if theres some magic at 700 as i have never heard a dose that high, although im sure its for the last 5 weeks and being used for its hardening effect more then anything
700mg WEEKLY
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700mg WEEKLY
hahahahaah...im a fucking idiot....thanks jim....oh man im going to flush my fucking head in the toilet...how the hell did i miss that?
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hahahahaah...im a fucking idiot....thanks jim....oh man im going to flush my fucking head in the toilet...how the hell did i miss that?
I did too at first. :P ;D
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Hope he placed in the top 5!!! Where the fuck do you shoot that???
Absolutely...
Also I can not say anything against what GH15 is saying based upon his personal experiences and who he works with or knows. There are obviously a lot of pros out there and people cant know and work with all of them. There may very well be pros (and non pros) out there that are using up to the 10g mark weekly, but I think that most of that is not being processed or utilized by the body. "more is not always better". Your body can only process and handle so much of anything before the remainder becomes a waste product. I am sure that there are people out there who will do almost anything and use anything to try and achieve results and get themselves to the higher levels. However I can tell you that most of the "top" pros I know do not use such high and excessive doses.
Every pro I personally know uses slin. The amounts vary largely, but I have never heard of anyone using 60iu or even close on a daily basis. Even 60iu over a weekly basis is horrific on your pancreas and will not only put you at risk of forcing yourself to become diabetic, but it will also cause an enormous enlargement of the intestines and give you what people mistake as "gh gut" Most of the large stomachs you see on stage are not from GH usage but rather slin abuse.
Most people I know who have used slin very effectively and without negative side effects range from 5 - 10iu daily with a ratio of 15:1 complex carbs for each iu of slin. Vitargo and similar types of carbs are preferred over simple sugars. I can not imagine the effects on the body of using extreme high dosages of slin. When considering the carb intake needed that would be a minimum of 600g of carbs but more like 900g of carbs to ensure you would not go into diabetic shock and die. Imagine doing that while dieting. Talk about fighting a losing battle. The bloat and fatigue effect would be incredible. I can honestly say I have never personally worked with any professional who took more than 12iu during a day. Most people use it only 3 to 4 days a week, and on training days such as chest, legs and back. If you look at the spike that insulin causes and the way it continues to spike and how long it stays active in the body - I feel anyone using super high dosages of slin is riding the razors edge.
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I can honestly say I have never personally worked with any professional who took more than 12iu during a day. Most people use it only 3 to 4 days a week
Hmm... I'm surprised. :o
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Most people use it only 3 to 4 days a week, and on training days such as chest, legs and back. If you look at the spike that insulin causes and the way it continues to spike and how long it stays active in the body - I feel anyone using super high dosages of slin is riding the razors edge.
I have read this on a couple of other boards as well. Only taking it 2-3 days a week and on the largest bodyparts trained, or the ones lagging behind the most. I saw it on the Gavin Kane board and he said it came about through him, Milos and Chad Nichols. I never understood those really high numbers, 60-80 iu, it just seems like their is only so much the muscle can hold and the rest would go to fat, it would seem anyway.
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I have read this on a couple of other boards as well. Only taking it 2-3 days a week and on the largest bodyparts trained, or the ones lagging behind the most. I saw it on the Gavin Kane board and he said it came about through him, Milos and Chad Nichols. I never understood those really high numbers, 60-80 iu, it just seems like their is only so much the muscle can hold and the rest would go to fat, it would seem anyway.
That Gavin Kane guy was a fraud. I asked Dave here about him earlier. Which pro has he "trained"? He claimed to train Quincy but Dave says he was Quincy's trainer. Anyone here know if this Gavin Kane character competed on the national level like he claimed (real name Jeff Rock, can't find his name on musclememory.com).
Chad said a long time ago his guys only used it one day a week, on non-training days, but he seems like guy who plants misinformation for fun. As far as Milos he has said many times his guys use it at up to 40 units a day, including precontest. And maybe a bit more when carb loading for shows.
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That Gavin Kane guy was a fraud. I asked Dave here about him earlier. Which pro has he "trained"? Chad said a long time ago his guys only used it one day a week, on non-training days, but he seems like guy who plants misinformation for fun. As far as Milos he has said many times his guys use it at up to 40 units a day, including precontest.
Hmmm, good to know. He seems okay on his board, but you never can tell with these guys. Wasn't planning on using slin anyway, just an interesting subject to me. Thanks for the heads up dude :)
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Hmmm, good to know. He seems okay on his board, but you never can tell with these guys.
He built up a guru character on the boards just to sell drugs. It's amazing how easy it's to fool the internet steroid community. It was very obvious what he was doing from the start.
I doubt he even competed like he claimed.
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That Gavin Kane guy was a fraud. I asked Dave here about him earlier. Which pro has he "trained"? He claimed to train Quincy but Dave says he was Quincy's trainer. Anyone here know if this Gavin Kane character competed on the national level like he claimed (real name Jeff Rock, can't find his name on musclememory.com).
Chad said a long time ago his guys only used it one day a week, on non-training days, but he seems like guy who plants misinformation for fun. As far as Milos he has said many times his guys use it at up to 40 units a day, including precontest. And maybe a bit more when carb loading for shows.
wasnt he "almost pro" on anabolex at one time? He had a phd or some shit and pics of him getting ready ut never face shots. he always had good info but never more then a google type tidbit. I was always suspect
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wasnt he "almost pro" on anabolex at one time? He had a phd or some shit and pics of him getting ready ut never face shots. he always had good info but never more then a google type tidbit. I was always suspect
Yea that's the guy.