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Title: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: cht868 on February 11, 2008, 09:40:30 AM
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

once again ronnie owns dorian!!!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 11, 2008, 10:02:52 AM
Dave Henry has a better back than a few guys up there
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: EL Mariachi on February 11, 2008, 10:05:04 AM
HAHA YEAH THAT LIST IS SO ACCURATE ::) IT GOT JOEL STUBBS AT THIRD YOU MORON. RONNIE AHS MORE O'S THEN THE DOZER, THUS HE GOT MORE POINTS, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN RONNIE HAD A BETTER PACKAGE AND THAT DORIAN ISNT ONE OF A KIND AND THE BEST THERE EVER WAS.


Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Luv_2build on February 11, 2008, 10:07:03 AM
With that thinking why isn't Haney in front of Yates?  he also won more O's than yates.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 11, 2008, 10:08:08 AM
With that thinking why isn't Haney in front of Yates?  he also won more O's than yates.
;D
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Palpatine Q on February 11, 2008, 10:11:23 AM
HAHA YEAH THAT LIST IS SO ACCURATE ::) IT GOT JOEL STUBBS AT THIRD YOU MORON. RONNIE AHS MORE O'S THEN THE DOZER, THUS HE GOT MORE POINTS, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN RONNIE HAD A BETTER PACKAGE AND THAT DORIAN ISNT ONE OF A KIND AND THE BEST THERE EVER WAS.




I'd bet money that Ronnie has a better package than Dorian, it's a racial thing
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on February 11, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Sergio beats Al Beckles . . . bullshit.

The Beef
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: bigkid on February 11, 2008, 10:22:49 AM
How is Cutler so far up there?
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: affeman on February 11, 2008, 10:29:44 AM
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

once again ronnie owns dorian!!!

Schwarzenegger????????????????????????? ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 11, 2008, 10:33:57 AM
Where's Arnold?

Why is Bannout ranked so low?

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: natural al on February 11, 2008, 10:34:53 AM
where's aaron baker?  Jonnie Morant?  Lance Dreher?  ok, maybe not dreher or morant but baker should be on that list.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 11, 2008, 10:35:43 AM
AHHHnold's back was like a roadmap.

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 11, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
 :o
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: YoungBlood on February 11, 2008, 10:47:20 AM


Because it was in FLEX....it MUST be true! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Monster_Everything on February 11, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
Garbage rankings

1. Ronnie
2. Haney
3. Dorian
4. Bannout
5. Victor
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: cht868 on February 11, 2008, 10:56:41 AM
HAHA YEAH THAT LIST IS SO ACCURATE ::) IT GOT JOEL STUBBS AT THIRD YOU MORON. RONNIE AHS MORE O'S THEN THE DOZER, THUS HE GOT MORE POINTS, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN RONNIE HAD A BETTER PACKAGE AND THAT DORIAN ISNT ONE OF A KIND AND THE BEST THERE EVER WAS.




have u ever seen stubbs back, moron, next time u talk shit at least know what ur talking about moron, and yes i know its flex, moron, but here is a picture of a great fucking back, moron, now go fuck urself, moron
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: cht868 on February 11, 2008, 10:58:23 AM
HAHA YEAH THAT LIST IS SO ACCURATE ::) IT GOT JOEL STUBBS AT THIRD YOU MORON. RONNIE AHS MORE O'S THEN THE DOZER, THUS HE GOT MORE POINTS, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN RONNIE HAD A BETTER PACKAGE AND THAT DORIAN ISNT ONE OF A KIND AND THE BEST THERE EVER WAS.




oh and fyi, they got a pic in there of dorian showing off his abs, they look pretty good, now go pick up an issue so u can beat off to ur nazi hero





moron
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: JohnnyVegas on February 11, 2008, 11:09:05 AM
have u ever seen stubbs back, moron, next time u talk shit at least know what ur talking about moron, and yes i know its flex, moron, but here is a picture of a great fucking back, moron, now go fuck urself, moron

Stubbs back is unreal.

In the  same ballpark as Dorian and RC for sure.

They are all in the same league-cannot reall say one is bettter than the others.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: bizzy on February 11, 2008, 02:52:22 PM
Where's Arnold?

Why is Bannout ranked so low?


I agree big time! Bannout in 83 was near perfect
and his back in 83 would be top 3 overall in my book.

1. Near perfect back double bi..
2. One of the best Christmas trees..
3. Neither Dorian or Coleman's lats flared out as much in the
front double bicep.
(Not to say his back is overall better than Yates or Coleman
but I would have Samir in 3rd. His back looked great from any
angle in 83. Too bad he never achieved this good of an overall
package again. (But for one night he displayed one of the best
bodybuilding physiques ever.)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 11, 2008, 02:57:08 PM
Ronnie wins!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: bizzy on February 11, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
The back is very close between Yates and Coleman.
I think Coleman had a better lat spread because:
He had a better taper, smaller waist and his lower
back was actually striated during the lat spread.

I prefer Coleman in the back double bicep but they both have their strengths.

Dorian was more detailed in the back double bi and seemed to have
less fat, water or thinner skin in that area. (Just like Ronnie had the
reverse from the waist down.)
Ronnie had a better taper, the appearance of a thicker upper back
and younger looking muscle. Dorian to me looked like a masters competitor
in the back double bicep by 1995. (I'm not saying that's
a bad thing because of muscle maturity but his muscles looked older
by 1995 in the back double bi.

Dorian blew Ronnie away when he threw his arms back and showed
his spinal erector striations.

I could see it going either way although I prefer Coleman's back
because of his taper.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 03:25:24 PM
Ronnie has the greatest back of all time
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

once again ronnie owns dorian!!!

Once again Ronnie disagrees  ;)


Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Its arguable between the two but I think Yates' back is better because he has everything Coleman had plus

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: bizzy on February 11, 2008, 03:33:13 PM
Ronnie has the greatest back of all time

Yep!
Here's one of the best back pictures ever!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 03:34:54 PM
 :o
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 03:37:55 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 03:39:19 PM
This is as good as it gets
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Arkadius on February 11, 2008, 04:06:17 PM
Quote
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

that rank is a fucking joke ;D ;D Cutler having better back than Benaziza? ::) fuck that!!!! 8)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
This is as good as it gets

the fact that Ronnie is #1 and dorian is a distant second is really eating you up isn't it?

hahahaha

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 11, 2008, 04:30:33 PM
fixed for accuracy ;)

Its arguable between the two but I think Ronnie's back is better because he has everything Dorian had minus the loose skin and bacne

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:34:39 PM
fixed for accuracy ;)



fixed for wishful thinking is more like it , Yates' back lacks nothing Ronnie's does hence why YOUR hero once again confirms the obvious ....Yates is simply better than him  ;) old news with the exception of the nut-huggers
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:36:55 PM
the fact that Ronnie is #1 and dorian is a distant second is really eating you up isn't it?

hahahaha



A distant second lol team Flex in the same coverage for the 1999 Mr Olympia choose Yates as best back !  Ronnie himself once again conceded to Yates superiority ....so once again kid it's killing you that your own hero knows who the best is and thats Dorian Yates  ;)

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
I love how ND keeps posting dorian back shots showing wrinkled loose skin in the lower back..

no wonder he was second to Ronnie..

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:40:52 PM
lol best back my ass
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 05:41:03 PM
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Yates' back lacks nothing Ronnie's does

hmmm. maybe you are right - Ronnie's back does lack the wrinkled loose flab, so you  might be on to something here LOL

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:42:03 PM
I love how ND keeps posting dorian back shots showing wrinkled loose skin in the lower back..

no wonder he was second to Ronnie..



I love how Hulkster is crushed by his own hero he's reduced to grasping at straws

Where is the loose skin? yeah I thought so  ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Oh boy
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 05:56:20 PM
I love how Hulkster is crushed by his own hero he's reduced to grasping at straws

Where is the loose skin? yeah I thought so  ;)

its everywhere moron ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 05:57:12 PM
Oh boy look at the twigs on a barrel AND the loose skin! dorian was lucky to even make second!

I agree totally.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 05:59:08 PM
its everywhere moron ::)

yeah sure it is , you bore me seriously show me one single show of Ronnie's latisimus and spinal erectors looking like this , and good luck you'll need it
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
I agree totally Dorian blows Ronnie out the water , and 8 time Mr Olympia and the Greatest Bodybuilder ever can't be wrong .

 ;)

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Zaidos on February 11, 2008, 06:23:59 PM
here we go 

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2008, 06:25:52 PM
here we go 



He has a great back !
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 11, 2008, 06:31:20 PM
Stubbs owning the barrel.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: England_1 on February 11, 2008, 06:31:29 PM
this is f*cking insane  :o

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=200088.0;attach=233142;image)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 11, 2008, 06:32:59 PM
Coleman completely dominating Yates.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 11, 2008, 06:34:09 PM
Yates neck-and-neck with Haney & Fux for 3rd.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 11, 2008, 06:34:39 PM
fixed for wishful thinking is more like it

"wishful thinking?" ha ha ha ha. Oh boy, ND is losing touch with reality. ;D

just look at those folds of skin and bacne. "Wishful thinking" my ass.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates10ab.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates43a.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin7.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin8.jpg)

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Yates' back lacks nothing Ronnie's does hence why YOUR hero once again confirms the obvious ....Yates is simply better than him old news with the exception of the nut-huggers

stop with the false statements. Dorian's back lacks Ronnie's v-taper, muscle fullness, and lower back thickness.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
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stop with the false statements. Dorian's back lacks Ronnie's v-taper, muscle fullness, and lower back thickness.

exactly.

damn, dorian has one UGLY back - from the bacne to the folds of loose skin, its notably sub par compared with the number one person on that list.

hence, a distant second
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 11, 2008, 06:44:32 PM
it's obvious why Ronnie was voted #1 by Team Flex.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie26Redo.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Karl Kox on February 11, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
no way Cutler beats some of those guys
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 06:50:13 PM
it's obvious why Ronnie was voted #1 by Team Flex.



tell me about it. its obvious to anyone with any knowledge of bodybuilding (too bad that excludes ND and Pubes lol)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: sgt. d on February 11, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
ND must be blind ???
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 11, 2008, 07:02:10 PM
ND must be blind ???

or stupid.

I vote both 8)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 11, 2008, 09:06:59 PM
I love how Hulkster is crushed by his own hero he's reduced to grasping at straws

Where is the loose skin? yeah I thought so  ;)

That's the thing, you don't think before you post. yates whole lower back is just sagging with loose skin from his "lack" of christmass tree in the rear latspread. Striations/Christmas tree on Ronnie's lower back. NO striations/Christmas tree on yates lower back. You just got owned with your pic dumbass. Get over it.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Karl Kox on February 11, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
got to give it to Ronnie
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: jianjohn24 on February 11, 2008, 10:51:21 PM
Ronnie shits all over Dorian!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: cht868 on February 12, 2008, 04:16:56 AM
i think cutlers back is only up there cause it is so big, not cause of the shape of it or anything, imo melvin anthony should be higher
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: kyomu on February 12, 2008, 07:21:31 AM
But what jean pierre fux doing there ???
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 12, 2008, 10:02:03 AM
But what jean pierre fux doing there ???

Fux had a good back, top 10 for sure. I think Samir should be top 5 atleast and Cutler should be between 8-10 and not at 6. The top 2 is dead on.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: delta9mda on February 12, 2008, 10:37:11 AM
Ronnie has the greatest back of all time
stop drooling on his glutes
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: sculpture on February 12, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
What makes me laugh more than anything is that nd used to use flex mag and mcgough as doctrine.

Now when they print something where he doesnt agree with hes got the nerve to argue otherwise.

ND you still never answered me why dorian never made the flex top 20 arms list despite him having "better" arms than ronnie
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 11:26:40 AM
What makes me laugh more than anything is that nd used to use flex mag and mcgough as doctrine.

Now when they print something where he doesnt agree with hes got the nerve to argue otherwise.

thank you. I've been saying this for some time now. ND likes to pick which quotes to accept and ignore.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 12, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
What makes me laugh more than anything is that nd used to use flex mag and mcgough as doctrine.

Now when they print something where he doesnt agree with hes got the nerve to argue otherwise.


Major humiliation. Then again, he's getting use to it. ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 12, 2008, 11:37:50 AM
What makes me laugh more than anything is that nd used to use flex mag and mcgough as doctrine.

Now when they print something where he doesnt agree with hes got the nerve to argue otherwise.

ND you still never answered me why dorian never made the flex top 20 arms list despite him having "better" arms than ronnie

LOL, everyone should know by now that ND discredits any source stating that Ronnie is superior to yates. You nailed it on the head though.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: cht868 on February 12, 2008, 11:51:18 AM
What makes me laugh more than anything is that nd used to use flex mag and mcgough as doctrine.

Now when they print something where he doesnt agree with hes got the nerve to argue otherwise.

ND you still never answered me why dorian never made the flex top 20 arms list despite him having "better" arms than ronnie

cause ND just won't come to grips that dorian get owned by almost every mr. o of all time...especially ronnie

dorian having great arms hahahahahhahahahahhahaha hahahahhahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahhahahahahaha hahahahhahahahahahah
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 12, 2008, 12:15:50 PM
cause ND just won't come to grips that dorian get owned by almost every mr. o of all time...

I've said this for a looooong time...the keg is the creme de la creme of tier-b Olympians. ;D



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dorian having great arms hahahahahhahahahahhahaha hahahahhahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahhahahahahaha hahahahhahahahahahah

To which i'd like to add bwahahahahahahaahahahaha hahahahahaha
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: England_1 on February 12, 2008, 12:26:58 PM
still waiting on pumptard's explanation of 01 and 02 hahaha

Team yates is stronger than ever!

(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_108.jpg)

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: MAXX on February 12, 2008, 12:30:53 PM

Because it was in FLEX....it MUST be true! ::) ::) ::)
yes ofcourse. Flex is the holy grail of bodybuilding















 ;D
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: MikeThaMachine on February 12, 2008, 01:37:54 PM
When I read the article I was pissed Flex made it on there and not Cormier.

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: MikeThaMachine on February 12, 2008, 01:45:47 PM
Beckles and Robby were good choices though.

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:20:10 PM
That's the thing, you don't think before you post. yates whole lower back is just sagging with loose skin from his "lack" of christmass tree in the rear latspread. Striations/Christmas tree on Ronnie's lower back. NO striations/Christmas tree on yates lower back. You just got owned with your pic dumbass. Get over it.

You own yourself every time you type , again it shows what you're working with his whole lower back is sagging with loose skin , get the fuck out of here seriously this nonsense is just laughable period , keep grasping at straws because thats all you have left

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:25:52 PM
"wishful thinking?" ha ha ha ha. Oh boy, ND is losing touch with reality. ;D

just look at those folds of skin and bacne. "Wishful thinking" my ass.


stop with the false statements. Dorian's back lacks Ronnie's v-taper, muscle fullness, and lower back thickness.

wishful thinking  ;) Ronnie knows who has the best back and so did team flex

I laughed out loud when I read Dorian's back lacks lower thickness compared to Ronnie and you have the balls to type false statements , again you know nothing as usual I love how you cling on to team flex for dear life when it agrees with you but are so eager to dismiss Ronnie Coleman as stupid when he backs Yates it shows your stupidity

I'm still laughing at Yates lacking lower back thickness and Ronnie's back is better because his waist is smaller  ::) oh lets add fullness ( lack of density ) to the idiotic list
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 12, 2008, 02:28:40 PM
no way Cutler beats some of those guys
CUTS IS NUTS. Cutler's back is ridiculous when on point.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Tigerman on February 12, 2008, 02:29:44 PM
"wishful thinking?" ha ha ha ha. Oh boy, ND is losing touch with reality. ;D

just look at those folds of skin and bacne. "Wishful thinking" my ass.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin8.jpg)

stop with the false statements. Dorian's back lacks Ronnie's v-taper, muscle fullness, and lower back thickness.

Dorian's bacne is quite disgusting.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
it's obvious why Ronnie was voted #1 by Team Flex.



best back my ass ! especially not in 2003 his back is huge and soft , this pic blows any Coleman pic out of the water this my dim witted little friend is a complete back from head to toe

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:34:58 PM
Team Flex 1999 Best Back ( Yates ) Not Ronnie  ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: sculpture on February 12, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
Can everybody with sense make an unspoken pact to not respond to the above poster's ridiculous post.

Lets not let this thread get out of hand just to entertain this man's delusions.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:38:28 PM
I'm still waiting for ANY Coleman shot that can rival these
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:41:34 PM
Can everybody with sense make an unspoken pact to not respond to the above poster's ridiculous post.

Lets not let this thread get out of hand just to entertain this man's delusions.

I guess Ronnie is ' delusional ' as well  ;) delusional my ass Yates has an unmatched back even by Coleman if you think thats delusional then you're just projecting

Ronnie Coleman ( mind you this was 2003 ) DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Thats not delusional thats " The Greatest Bodybuilder ever "
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 02:42:07 PM
wishful thinking Ronnie knows who has the best back and so did team flex

it's not wishful thinking when the pics show Dorian's back with folds of skin and bacne.

by the way, Team Flex voted Ronnie #1 for the best back of all-time in case you haven't read the latest issue.  ;)

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I laughed out loud when I read Dorian's back lacks lower thickness compared to Ronnie and you have the balls to type false statements , again you know nothing as usual I love how you cling on to team flex for dear life when it agrees with you but are so eager to dismiss Ronnie Coleman as stupid when he backs Yates it shows your stupidity

Ronnie's lower back looks thicker to me.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie47.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie32.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie8.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie14.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 12, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
Can everybody with sense make an unspoken pact to not respond to the above poster's ridiculous post.

Lets not let this thread get out of hand just to entertain this man's delusions.

It's safer to have the angry troll furiously typing away in his basement than out on the streets. ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 12, 2008, 02:47:04 PM

by the way, Team Flex voted Ronnie #1 for the best back of all-time in case you haven't read the latest issue.  ;)


Worth repeating since this is the troll's bible lol
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:47:29 PM
it's not wishful thinking when the pics show Dorian's back with folds of skin and bacne.

by the way, Team Flex voted Ronnie #1 for the best back of all-time in case you haven't read the latest issue.  ;)

Ronnie's lower back looks thicker to me.



The topic of loose skin etc is not even worthy of a response its just a pathetic seriously I wont entertain that stupidity , did he have acne in any of the 50 pictures I posted ? NO  ;)

again you cling on to dear life with what team flex says but are so ready to dismiss what Ronnie Coleman himself says ( among others ) and team flex who voted Yates what makes them right and Ronnie wrong?

and of course his lower back looks thicker to you , you're an idiot you also think they have comparable size calves  ::)

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:50:45 PM
Worth repeating since this is the troll's bible lol

 " thickest freakiest back I have ever seen. " did you miss this quote from Ronnie Coleman?  ;) again you offer nothing other than trolling nonsense you can't even articulate why you think his back is better and again team flex is right when you want it to be but when it favors Yates its worthless , typical hypocritical troll



team flex kid
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 02:53:46 PM
best back my ass ! Yates is blowing Ronnie out of the water in this shot its not even close
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Emmortal on February 12, 2008, 02:58:52 PM
Not that I'm going to jump into the discussion, but here are some nice back shots of Ronnie:

(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/rc142.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/rc159.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc273.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc279.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc308.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc347.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc879.jpg)

I think Dorian gets Coleman in sheer detail and conditioning, but Coleman I think has him in outright mass.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
Dorian has mass , detail , thickness , density and width he lacks nothing
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Emmortal on February 12, 2008, 03:08:09 PM
Yea, I've always been a big fan of D, I just appreciate both for what they are since they had so much to offer the sport.  Saying one is better than the other is like saying a Rolls Royce is better than a Bentley, they're both in the upper echelon and few others can even compare.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 03:08:27 PM
8 time Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman knows who has the best back and thats Dorian Yates
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 03:11:05 PM
Yea, I've always been a big fan of D, I just appreciate both for what they are since they had so much to offer the sport.  Saying one is better than the other is like saying a Rolls Royce is better than a Bentley, they're both in the upper echelon and few others can even compare.

They are comparable in backs although I think Yates' offers something Ronnie does not I think Yates' back is better because he has more detail , his lats insert lower near the waist and his lowerlats/spinal erectors are unmatched by anyone while they are comparable Yates has advantages Ronnie does not
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Dorian has mass , detail , thickness , density and width he lacks nothing

Dorian's back cannot be better than Ronnie's when Dorian has ugly bacne.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 03:16:19 PM
Dorian's back cannot be better than Ronnie's when Dorian has ugly bacne.

Again where is it? thanks for playing have a nice day  ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 03:18:03 PM
Dorian's back cannot be better than Ronnie's when Dorian has ugly bacne.

Ronnie's back cannot be better than Dorian when Ronnie doesn't have striated lower lats or spinal erectors , and his lats insert higher than Yates
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 04:50:31 PM
Can everybody with sense make an unspoken pact to not respond to the above poster's ridiculous post.

Lets not let this thread get out of hand just to entertain this man's delusions.

lol ND is a delusional fool who is being called out by so many posters lately.

its great!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 12, 2008, 04:58:29 PM
8 time Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman knows who has the best back and thats Dorian Yates

The keg has major problems against Stubbs, not just Coleman.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 12, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
The keg has major problems against Stubbs, not just Coleman.
It must be the angle.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
It must be the angle.

lol!

Ronnie owns all on that list.

like I said, dorian was a distant second.

we all can see that.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
Ronnie's back cannot be better than Dorian when Ronnie doesn't have striated lower lats or spinal erectors , and his lats insert higher than Yates

wtf? Do you purposely make this shit up? ???

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie84.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman65.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: James Blunt on February 12, 2008, 05:28:38 PM
Coleman destroying Yates' back here. Thicker, wider, and more complete top to bottom!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 05:34:29 PM
Coleman destroying Yates' back here. Thicker, wider, and more complete top to bottom!

and that was Ronnie in 1996, never mind 1999!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 05:34:44 PM
wtf? Do you purposely make this shit up? ???


lmfao that is in no way shape or form comparable to Dorian Yates , sorry kid Yates' thickness in these two areas alone blow anything Coleman ever shown
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 05:36:15 PM
and that was Ronnie in 1996, never mind 1999!

1996 NO contest Yates utterly kills Ronnie and his back , countdown to the excuses 3.........2........1
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 05:37:58 PM
and that was Ronnie in 1996, never mind 1999!

hey Hulkster this was in the same magazine as the 1999 Mr Olympia " Team Flex " choose Yates as the best back ( see picture ) speak on this lol sucker
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: bigmikecox on February 12, 2008, 05:42:02 PM
Coleman completely dominating Yates.

LIGHTS OUT, GAME OVER!!!!!  Ronnie is untouchable from the back!!!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 05:59:57 PM
This is as good as it gets
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: benz on February 12, 2008, 06:02:58 PM
Hey hulkster & narcicisticdeity, do you have plans to make of this thread the v2 of "hulkster im calling for a jew" thread? Theres potential!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 06:04:25 PM
Hey hulkster & narcicisticdeity, do you have plans to make of this thread the v2 of "hulkster im calling for a jew" thread? Theres potential!

He lost that thread , no need for anymore he just follows me around trolling his hatred but hey thats all he has left
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 06:10:27 PM
lol follows you around?

 ::)

more like following the rest of getbig in owning your ass in thread after thread after thread.

notice: you try and preach dorian in so many threads, only to have the rest of getbig (not just me) own your ass by showing how much better Ronnie was at his best.

lol

nice try though.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 06:12:36 PM
lol follows you around?

 ::)

more like following the rest of getbig in owning your ass in thread after thread after thread.

notice: you try and preach dorian in so many threads, only to have the rest of getbig (not just me) own your ass by showing how much better Ronnie was at his best.

lol

nice try though.

Hulkster again what part of YOUR OWN hero disagree with you did you miss? the rest of GetBig means NOTHING in the face of the Greatest Bodybuilder Who Ever Lived  ;)

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.



lmfao ' all of GetBig " how about an 8 time Mr Olympia ? how you like me now  ;)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 12, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001

Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates

Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates


two Mr Olympia winners you think " All of GetBig " means anything compared to this esteemed line-up? you think Neoseminole and iceman and you trump two of the greatest ever? I think not my stupid little friend

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 06:35:53 PM
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you think Neoseminole and iceman and you trump two of the greatest ever? I think not my stupid little friend

still can't read worth shit can you?

 ::)

note that on all these threads, lots of people (non truce thread regulars) come in to show how much better Ronnie is than dorian and own your ass, stuff like this, oh Retarded One:

Quote
LIGHTS OUT, GAME OVER!!!!!  Ronnie is untouchable from the back!!!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 06:41:59 PM
8)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/98RonnieColeman1.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: stealth_swimmer on February 12, 2008, 06:58:03 PM
Garbage rankings

1. Ronnie
2. Haney
3. Dorian
4. Bannout
5. Victor

switch Victor with Bannout and I agree with that list whole-heartedly.

Stubbs would be higher if his back looked great in poses. His back is great relaxed, but doesn't look as good in the rear lat spread or back double biceps as some of the guys ahead of him.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 12, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
You own yourself every time you type , again it shows what you're working with his whole lower back is sagging with loose skin , get the fuck out of here seriously this nonsense is just laughable period , keep grasping at straws because thats all you have left



I proved you wrong with pics to prove my point . You proved nothing by not posting any pics. If anyone got owned, it was you, plain and simple. You're so in denial you don't know what to say anymore.

Post a pic of yates showing a christmas tree with striations in the rear latspread. Put up or shut up.

So far all you have is a pic of yates with loose skin hanging and bacne on his whole lower back. I drew in a christmas tree for him since he's not showing one.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 08:20:52 PM
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I drew in a christmas tree for him since he's not showing one.

you will need to draw in a whole lot more than that for 93 Yates to ever beat a 1999 Ronnie..

drawing in attributes is about the only way dorian would even stand a chance: :-\

he can't do it on the merits of his physique alone..
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 12, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
is there any doubt who would top the list?

I think not:

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 12, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Ronnie:

(http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/image-files/ronnie.jpg)

Dorian:

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 09:27:50 PM
;D

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYatesKOd.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: HowieW on February 12, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

once again ronnie owns dorian!!!

Ok for starters, slavery was outlawed by Pres honest Ab in the 1860's so Dorian can't actually own Ronnie or any other human for that matter. Now if Flex puts out this list it must be the opinion of GOD and we must all obey the edicts of this without question. ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: brian36 on February 12, 2008, 09:40:08 PM
ND, have you ever entertained thought that Ronnie was possibly being humble when he said he couldn't beat Dorian?
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: HowieW on February 12, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
is there any doubt who would top the list?

I think not:



where did Ronnie and DJ get those guy shorts for that pic? I want a pair hehehe
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: rocket on February 12, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
I'd like to see more pictures of Joel Stubbs back.. I think he might actually have both Ronnie and Dorian
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 12, 2008, 10:10:50 PM
I'd like to see more pictures of Joel Stubbs back

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Joel%20Stubbs/JoelStubbs10.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Joel%20Stubbs/JoelStubbs5.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Joel%20Stubbs/JoelStubbs7.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Joel%20Stubbs/JoelStubbs11.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 13, 2008, 01:27:30 AM
still can't read worth shit can you?

 ::)

note that on all these threads, lots of people (non truce thread regulars) come in to show how much better Ronnie is than dorian and own your ass, stuff like this, oh Retarded One:

No you can't read what makes you think ANYONE on these boards trumps Coleman? or Bannout? yeah I thought so  ;) keep clinging on for dear life to numbers because they mean 0 compared to Ronnie himself and again you keep running from this question what makes team flex right and Ronnie Coleman and Samir Bannout wrong?
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 13, 2008, 01:28:29 AM
8)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/98RonnieColeman1.jpg)

No where near this , sorry kid Ronnie knows who's back is better
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 13, 2008, 01:34:23 AM
I proved you wrong with pics to prove my point . You proved nothing by not posting any pics. If anyone got owned, it was you, plain and simple. You're so in denial you don't know what to say anymore.

Post a pic of yates showing a christmas tree with striations in the rear latspread. Put up or shut up.

So far all you have is a pic of yates with loose skin hanging and bacne on his whole lower back. I drew in a christmas tree for him since he's not showing one.

NO its you nutt huggers who are in denial , your own hero OWNS you

Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

 
jackasses proved wrong once again by their own hero , it just doesn't get better than that , now run along and play your constant grasping at straws bores me

 
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 13, 2008, 01:38:37 AM
ND, have you ever entertained thought that Ronnie was possibly being humble when he said he couldn't beat Dorian?

Have you ever entertained the thought he was being honest? and humble my ass you ever see the comments Ronnie made about Gunther and Jay?
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: England_1 on February 13, 2008, 01:44:20 AM
ND owning the nuthuggers as usual with ease I may add hahahahaha

Check this shot of Coleman from 02 (w/bowling ball gut too I may add  ::)) following a "workout" session with uncle joe  :-\

(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/29387-4/2002-mr-olympia-38.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4c2137f1fa7da02b07e1ca3c1df893ac)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: m8 on February 13, 2008, 01:54:02 AM
No where near this , sorry kid Ronnie knows who's back is better

What the fuck man?
Ronnie is DESTROYING Dorian there. And I'm not even talking about the glutes/quads.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 13, 2008, 03:44:21 AM
No you can't read what makes you think ANYONE on these boards trumps Coleman? or Bannout? yeah I thought so  ;) keep clinging on for dear life to numbers because they mean 0 compared to Ronnie himself and again you keep running from this question what makes team flex right and Ronnie Coleman and Samir Bannout wrong?

the getbiggers are not what is trumping Ronnie or Samir.

its the visual evidence moron.

 ::)

you act like if Ronnie or Samir said it was true, it MUST be true no matter WHAT the visual evidence shows lol

never mind all the other opinions out there verifying what the visuals show: ronnie has the best back EVER.

 ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: England_1 on February 13, 2008, 03:46:36 AM
the getbiggers are not what is trumping Ronnie or Samir.

its the visual evidence moron.

 ::)

you act like if Ronnie or Samir said it was true, it MUST be true no matter WHAT the visual evidence shows lol

never mind all the other opinions out there verifying what the visuals show: ronnie has the best back EVER.

 ::)

You might hold some credibility if you were actually at the shows or if your "visuals" correspond to what the majority of GetBiggers who attended Dorian and Ronnie's Mr. O's say (which is that Yates had a quality to his muscle unlike any competitor that had to be seen in the flesh; Dorian would defeat Ronnie).

While we are at it, why don't you go ahead and explain 2002 to me. There is mounds of visual "evidence" that Coleman looked like garbage.

(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/29387-4/2002-mr-olympia-38.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4c2137f1fa7da02b07e1ca3c1df893ac)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/off%20season/6.jpg)

(http://www.ironews.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/WindowsLiveWriter/CoolphotoofRonnieColeman_14CEF/image%7B0%7D%5B2%5D.png)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 13, 2008, 06:17:29 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Iceman1981 on February 13, 2008, 09:20:13 AM
NO its you nutt huggers who are in denial , your own hero OWNS you

Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

 
jackasses proved wrong once again by their own hero , it just doesn't get better than that , now run along and play your constant grasping at straws bores me

 

Proved wrong by who? LOL, all Ronnie said was he saw "thickest freakiest back I have ever seen." Where does it say that yates has the "best" back? It doesn't. It says Ronnie has the best back in the latest FLEX issue. I suggest you buy a copy. Actually, you're probably a subscriber to FLEX and burned the magazine after seeing it, LOL.

Now, I see we are all getting in your head, since your cussing everytime you post. I've pointed it out for you, so you don't have to waist anymore brain cells. The sagging loose skin and bacne is with in the triangle. Everyone can see it, so stop acting like you can't see it. All you have to do is:

Post a pic of yates showing a christmas tree with striations in the rear latspread, and no, your stupid crunch pose is not a rear latspread. Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 13, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
Dorian's back was good but the folds of skin, asymmetry, and bacne prevent him from beating Ronnie.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie32.jpg)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 13, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Dorian's back was good but the folds of skin, asymmetry, and bacne prevent him from beating Ronnie.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie32.jpg)

dorian getting killed by 1999 Ronnie as always...

Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 13, 2008, 02:16:14 PM
the thing that is so stupid about ND`s posts on this thread and every other thread is that he is basing his whole argument on a few opinions and claiming those opinions are true no matter what.

eg. it doesn`t matter to ND what visuals we show.

all he cares about is what Ronnie said.

that means, that if Ronnie had said `Frank Zane has the freakiest and thickest back I have ever seen`it would be correct according to ND no matter what the visuals show.

after all, who are we to argue with Ronnie Coleman... ::)
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Bear on February 14, 2008, 01:56:37 AM
it's obvious why Ronnie was voted #1 by Team Flex.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie26Redo.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie19.jpg)

The guy on the left might as well be Gaspari and the guy on the right Haney. One has an insane taper and big muscles. The other is made by this comparison to look like a relatively small but hard working shredded guy doing his best with less than stellar genetics. The same thing would happen if this Ronnie stood on stage with this Dorian, everyone would commend Dorian's work ethic but ultimately he could only ever come a well earned second place.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 14, 2008, 06:31:59 PM
Dorian's back was good but the folds of skin, asymmetry, and bacne prevent him from beating Ronnie.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie32.jpg)

  Dorian's back is as wide, thicker, harder and just as detailed. So how does Coleman win this ???
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 14, 2008, 06:54:03 PM
  Dorian's back is as wide, thicker, harder and just as detailed. So how does Coleman win this ???

Let's try it again, since you need glasses. Coleman's back clearly much WIDER, waist SMALLER = big advantage in taper.

This was Coleman at a lighter bodyweight. :o
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 14, 2008, 07:30:48 PM
Let's try it again, since you need glasses. Coleman's back clearly much WIDER, waist SMALLER = big advantage in taper.

This was Coleman at a lighter bodyweight. :o

  What have I told you about your personal attacks making you seem stupid? For starters, Coleman's back is not wider there. They are roughly equal in width. Secondly, while Coleman does have an advantage in taper, you are forgetting Yates' advantage in hardness, thickness and detail.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on February 14, 2008, 09:16:25 PM
Stubbs back is unreal.

In the  same ballpark as Dorian and RC for sure.

They are all in the same league-cannot reall say one is bettter than the others.

The Beef thinks this newbee has hit the nail on the head.

The Beef
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 17, 2008, 05:38:13 PM
Dorian's back cannot be better than Ronnie's when Dorian has ugly bacne.

  Dorian's bacne is a minor cosmetic flaw compared of small relevance compared his advantages in hardness and striations with comparable size. So Dorian's back is as wide and thick as Coleman's, with superior definition and hardness, and he loses because of a skin condition? Should the look of your epidermis even matter at a bodybuilding contest?
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Moosejay on February 17, 2008, 05:40:48 PM
No
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Armstrong on February 17, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
just got the new flex...ranked the top 20 backs of all time...

1.  ronnie
2.  dorian
3.  joel stubbs
4.  haney
5.  columbo
6.  cutler
7.  jean pierre fux
8.  samir bannout
9.  michael francois
10.  victor martinez
11.  mohamed benaziza
12.  robby robinson
13.  flex wheeler
14.  art atwood
15.  orville burke
16.  sergio oliva
17.  tony perarson
18.  thierry pastel
19.  melvin anthony
20.  albert beckles

once again ronnie owns dorian!!!

Victor should be Top 5!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 17, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
Dorian's bacne is a minor cosmetic flaw compared of small relevance compared his advantages in hardness and striations with comparable size. So Dorian's back is as wide and thick as Coleman's, with superior definition and hardness, and he loses because of a skin condition?

if we were comparing #1 and #10 on the list, then I would agree with you. However, we are comparing the top 2 backs of all-time. We must pick at straws to decide a winner. The fact of the matter is that Ronnie's back is just as good as Dorian's and doesn't have bance or folds of skin.

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Should the look of your epidermis even matter at a bodybuilding contest?

yes
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 17, 2008, 07:41:23 PM
The Beef thinks this newbee has hit the nail on the head.

The Beef

There was already a whole thread pointing this out.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 17, 2008, 07:43:38 PM
For starters, Coleman's back is not wider there. They are roughly equal in width. Secondly, while Coleman does have an advantage in taper, you are forgetting Yates' advantage in hardness, thickness and detail.

They are nowhere near equal width. Secondly i've never ignored some of Yates' advantages, namely hardness and detail which i've pointed out many times.

What i pointed out were some of Coleman's advantages in a discussion of lat width and taper, easy-reader. It's called context, learn what that means lol
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 17, 2008, 08:07:54 PM
if we were comparing #1 and #10 on the list, then I would agree with you. However, we are comparing the top 2 backs of all-time. We must pick at straws to decide a winner. The fact of the matter is that Ronnie's back is just as good as Dorian's and doesn't have bance or folds of skin.

  And yet you ignore the major advantages Yates has, namely, superior hardness and definition? These two things are far more important than acne, which is something that is not even related to skeletal muscles. Since they have equivalent development, then the superior conditioning of Yates' back wins it for him.

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yes

  Hmmm...no. This is not a beauty pageant. This is not the Ms.America contest trying to find the prettiest girl, but deciding who has the best physique between the two.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 17, 2008, 08:09:38 PM
They are nowhere near equal width. Secondly i've never ignored some of Yates' advantages, namely hardness and detail which i've pointed out many times.

What i pointed out were some of Coleman's advantages in a discussion of lat width and taper, easy-reader. It's called context, learn what that means lol

  I will ignore you because you are unable to argue without resorting to ad hominem - and your point about the lats is ridiculous, as everyone can see they are roughly the same width.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 17, 2008, 08:28:36 PM
And yet you ignore the major advantages Yates has, namely, superior hardness and definition? These two things are far more important than acne, which is something that is not even related to skeletal muscles. Since they have equivalent development, then the superior conditioning of Yates' back wins it for him.

you're missing the point. I could just as easily accuse you of ignoring Ronnie's advantages such as better taper, symmetry, and lower back detail. Who is to say that Dorian's strengths are better? Furthermore, the purpose of conditioning is to enhance the appearance of the muscles. Dorian's back may look "harder" but lacks the fullness of Ronnie's back. Again, who is to say which is better? Where does it state in the IFBB criteria that density trumps muscular bulk? Don't be so foolish as to proclaim Dorian's strengths greater when he and Ronnie are so evenly matched. In the case of a tie, we must pick at straws to decide a winner. The fact of the matter is that Ronnie's back is just as good as Dorian's and doesn't have bance or folds of skin.

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Hmmm...no. This is not a beauty pageant. This is not the Ms.America contest trying to find the prettiest girl, but deciding who has the best physique between the two.

hmmm... yes. Bodybuilding is a visual sport and the skin is the most visible part of the body. The IFBB criteria states that skin blemishes may affect a competitor's placement.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: pumpster on February 17, 2008, 08:32:09 PM
  as everyone can see they are roughly the same width.


hahahahahahaahaha ya and their arms are about the same size too.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 17, 2008, 08:55:47 PM
you're missing the point. I could just as easily accuse you of ignoring Ronnie's advantages such as better taper, symmetry, and lower back detail.

  Yes, Ronnie does have better taper, but that is not included when we're talking exclusively about back - it is taken into account in the total package in the back mandatories and in the symmetry round from the back, but the back as a bodypart must be judged separately for it's own merits. As for symmetry, Ronnie doesen't have better symmetry than Dorian. I don't see how Ronnie's lats are more proportionally developed in relation to each other than Yates'. And lower back detail? Isn't Dorian regarded as the absolute best of all times in that area?

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  Who is to say that Dorian's strengths are better?

  I think that Dorian's advantages are more relevant according to traditional criteria than Ronnie's in this case. Conditioning is more relavant than good skin.

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  Furthermore, the purpose of conditioning is to enhance the appearance of the muscles. Dorian's back may look "harder" but lacks the fullness of Ronnie's back. Again, who is to say which is better?

  I'm not sure that Ronnie's back is fuller. According to all reviews I've read of Mr.Olympias, Dorian's back was always complimented for it's fullness. However, we do know for a fact that Dorian's back did look harder than Ronnie's.

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  Where does it state in the IFBB criteria that density trumps muscular bulk?

  Ronnie's back does not have superior muscular bulk in the particular version you've used. If you're talking Ronnie in his 2003 incarnation, then that's a different story.

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  Don't be so foolish as to proclaim Dorian's strengths greater when he and Ronnie are so evenly matched. In the case of a tie, we must pick at straws to decide a winner. The fact of the matter is that Ronnie's back is just as good as Dorian's and doesn't have bance or folds of skin.

  But Dorian has the advantage of conditioning, which is a much more relevant advantage according to the criteria than having superior skin. We don't even need to pick at straws, because conditioning is not a straw, but one of the major things that bodybuilding judges look for. ;)

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hmmm... yes. Bodybuilding is a visual sport and the skin is the most visible part of the body.

  Correction: bodybuilding is a visual sport that tries to access the development, symmetry and definition of the competitor's skeltal muscles.

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  The IFBB criteria states that skin blemishes may affect a competitor's placement.

  Right, then why wasn't Yates marked down at the 1993 Olympia for it? From what I've read, all the 13 judges gave him perfect scores in both the symmetry and muscularity rounds. No where was he marked down for his acne - maybe because, like me, the judges considered his super-conditioning as far more relevant than his bad skin. And I must emphasize that his acne is only apparent in some areas of the back and a little in his chest. The rest of his body was clear of it.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: CigaretteMan on February 17, 2008, 09:00:11 PM

hahahahahahaahaha ya and their arms are about the same size too.

  The picture of Dorian in this comparison you've posted is from 1994, not 1993, and he is not flexing his lats there. Compare the lats spreads of Ronnie 1999 to Dorian's at the 1994 Olympia and you'll see they are equivalent in width.
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: NeoSeminole on February 17, 2008, 09:17:38 PM
Yes, Ronnie does have better taper, but that is not included when we're talking exclusively about back - it is taken into account in the total package in the back mandatories and in the symmetry round from the back, but the back as a bodypart must be judged separately for it's own merits.

the posterior area from the neck down to the hips is considered the back.

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As for symmetry, Ronnie doesen't have better symmetry than Dorian. I don't see how Ronnie's lats are more proportionally developed in relation to each other than Yates'. And lower back detail? Isn't Dorian regarded as the absolute best of all times in that area?

Ronnie's back has better left-right correspondence and more lower back thickness that's proportional to his phenomenal lats. Dorian's traps don't line up and it looks like he's missing his erector spinae in some poses.

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates6.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates66.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianYates-NoLowerBack.jpg)

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I'm not sure that Ronnie's back is fuller. Accoding to all reviews I've read of Mr.Olympia, Dorian's back was always complimented for it's fullness. However, we do know for a fact that Dorian's back did look harder.

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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates37.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman65.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates47.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/RonnieColemanGreatestBack.jpg)

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Right, then why wasn't Yates marked down at the 1993 Olympia for it? From what I've read, all the 13 judges gave him perfect scores in both the symmetry and muscularity rounds. No where was he marked down for his acne - maybe because, like me, the judges considered his super-conditioning as far more relevant than his bad skin. And I must emphasize that his acne is only apparent in some areas of the back and a little in his chest. The rest of his body was clear of it.

Dorian still won b/c the rest of his physique overwhelmed his competitors. Your attempt to downplay Dorian's bacne is akin to me saying "calves don't matter in a bodybuilding contest b/c Ronnie still won the Mr. Olympia 8 times."
Title: Re: ronnie once again owns dorian
Post by: Hulkster on February 18, 2008, 10:35:23 AM
  Dorian's back is as wide, thicker, harder and just as detailed. So how does Coleman win this ???

simple.

because their lats are equal in width but Ronnie has a tiny waist compared to dorian- giving a huge taper advantage to Ronnie..

because while dorian displays rolls of loose skin in the lower back, Ronnie displays his striated christmas tree in that pose.


hope this helps with clearing up the delusion.. 8)