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I'm very keen on streamlining the citizenship process for our (for the most part) law-abiding Latino friends and also for visitors from other countries. I want them to be part of our workforce, to be part of our tax base, and to be part of our national community.
I do NOT, however, want TV ads for our Presidential candidates to be in Spanish, nor do I want Spanish-language ballots at our polling places.
I'm all for welcoming people into our country, and they're welcome to speak their native language, but the business of America needs to be conducted in English.
Move to the Politics board at your leisure.
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I agree. A single language is critical for a national identity, and every other group that has come here over the past 200+ years has had to learn English. You didn't see ballots in German or Polish or Italian back in the early 1900's... why should we see them in Spanish today? Welcome the Latino workers our country needs, and invite them to become citizens... but require them to learn English, just as every other group has had to.
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FUCK NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Latinas are hot.
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No. I have no problem with people speaking their native language in their own home, but in public and in places of business English should be spoken. All that Telemundo and the other stuff does is add to the incentive not to learn the language. Why did our grandparents learn the language? Because they had to in order to survive, that is not the case for immigrants today. Will the quality of life be better for them if they learned English? Sure, but is not a necessity but it should be.
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No. I have no problem with people speaking their native language in their own home, but in public and in places of business English should be spoken. All that Telemundo and the other stuff does is add to the incentive not to learn the language. Why did our grandparents learn the language? Because they had to in order to survive, that is not the case for immigrants today. Will the quality of life be better for them if they learned English? Sure, but is not a necessity but it should be.
Yep. Sadly, in Houston where I live, the ability to speak English is not a necessity. There are Spanish-language television stations, radio stations, and newspapers, and in pretty much every business there will be somebody available who speaks Spanish, given how widely it is spoken down here. As long as you can speak Spanish, you can get by here just fine without knowing any English at all. Of course, if you want a job that doesn't involve manual labor for very low pay you'd better speak English fluently, but that somehow doesn't seem to be a concern for a lot of them. They seem perfectly content to bust their asses all day for a few dollars to feed their 10 kids and buy some cerveza.
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I'm not an American nor do I live in America, but I believe for any country, if you don't speak the language, GET THE FUCK OUT... I'm a European living in Canada, I came here when I was close to my teens, took me 3 months to learn the language. I don't understand how people can live in a country for 10, 20 years and not know the language AT ALL... it's somewhat like that here (Toronto) with the Italian and Indian/Paki communities, they're kids bring them over in their 50's and they can't speak one word of english.
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IF YOU CANT SPEAK THE LANGAUGE AND HAVE NO DESIRE TO LEARN THE LANGAUGE GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE COUNTRY !
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you can still go to parts of New York where Italian is the primary language. You can go to parts of Louisiana where French (or a variation of it) is and always has been the primary language. And you can go to many places in the southwest where spanish is and always has been the primary language. We have always been a multi-lingual nation. Get use to it.
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Goat, campaign ads and ballots are two different things.
About voting, there were some Civil Rights Era cases dealing with minimum requirements (education) for the franchise. The NY case might actually have involved Spanish speakers. If people are curious, I might get off my arse and look for it.
Special "Campaign" Ed
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you can still go to parts of New York where Italian is the primary language. You can go to parts of Louisiana where French (or a variation of it) is and always has been the primary language. And you can go to many places in the southwest where spanish is and always has been the primary language. We have always been a multi-lingual nation. Get use to it.
There's a HUGE difference between people of similar heritages speaking the same language in Little Italy and going to an ATM in one of the little shops and being asked to choose between English and Italian before your transaction can be processed.
And there's an even bigger difference between those two situations and having bi-lingual mandates in areas like education, government offices, etc. especially when Spanish is the only other language given that consideration.
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you can still go to parts of New York where Italian is the primary language. You can go to parts of Louisiana where French (or a variation of it) is and always has been the primary language. And you can go to many places in the southwest where spanish is and always has been the primary language. We have always been a multi-lingual nation. Get use to it.
The question isn't whether a person should be able to speak their native tongue in their own homes or in their own neighborhoods. Rather, should public documents, like voting pamphlets & ballots and other official government documents, and public forums, like city council meetings, etc., be in multiple languages. I think no. If you want to be part of the political process (i.e. vote, participate in your state and municipal government meetings, etc.), you should have to learn english, just like the past immigrants did. If nothing else, it makes conducting business much easier and cheaper. (We are the bastion of democracy and capitalism after all. Look at the bottom line.)
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I'm very keen on streamlining the citizenship process for our (for the most part) law-abiding Latino friends and also for visitors from other countries. I want them to be part of our workforce, to be part of our tax base, and to be part of our national community.
I do NOT, however, want TV ads for our Presidential candidates to be in Spanish, nor do I want Spanish-language ballots at our polling places.
I'm all for welcoming people into our country, and they're welcome to speak their native language, but the business of America needs to be conducted in English.
Move to the Politics board at your leisure.
You've obviously never been to Miami :-X
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IF YOU CANT SPEAK THE LANGAUGE AND HAVE NO DISIRE TO LEARN THE LANGAUGE GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE COUNTRY !
desire?
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IN MEXICO!
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IF YOU CANT SPEAK THE LANGAUGE AND HAVE NO DISIRE TO LEARN THE LANGAUGE GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE COUNTRY !
BIG MOTHER FUC$%N BUMP!
TOO MUCH DIVERSITY HAS MADE THE USA WEAK ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
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you can still go to parts of New York where Italian is the primary language. You can go to parts of Louisiana where French (or a variation of it) is and always has been the primary language. And you can go to many places in the southwest where spanish is and always has been the primary language. We have always been a multi-lingual nation. Get use to it.
Come to AZ or CA and watch an illegal or legal immigrant try to order In-N-Out. It's the most pathetic thing at times.
Oh yeah....
Welcome to America, now speak the language.
Like dantelis said, nobody is outlawing a language but tax dollars should not be wasted because some woman, who has lived here for 50 years, still can't read English. My grandparents came through Ellis Island and learned the damn language, so can the people from TJ. You're going to see a resurgence of people hating foreigners who don't speak the language, just like they used to do to Germans and Italians. Get used to it.
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ALOT OF ILLEGAL OR LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ACT LIKE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE, BUT WHEN IN FACT IT'S A PRIVILEGE.
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There is a reason Ron put up a political board!!
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There is a reason Ron put up a political board!!
Thanks Minkus.
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There's no reason for Spanish speaking people to learn English because we cater to them. Separate directions, tv stations, radio. Rather than force people to at least learn English before hopping the border, our country tells them it's ok to never learn it. So why would you? More brilliant "fair" rules by the US.
If you can't speak English somewhat well, you really have no place voting. As far as the whole "border control" issue...it's utterly pointless at this point. Our country is basically culturally fucked...ahha, and I don't really care. ;) ;D You either just shoot someone for being an illegal, on the spot, or let anyone come in.
That would make the point pretty clear.
"Excuse me, do you have a green card?"
"No."
BOOM!!! dead
Thanks for playing. Our country is run by complete pussies. Take a look at congress for God sakes...spineless old turds with bad hair pieces..haah
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There is a reason Ron put up a political board!!
Because he was bored and had an afternoon to kill?
I figured as much.
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There's no reason for Spanish speaking people to learn English because we cater to them. Separate directions, tv stations, radio. Rather than force people to at least learn English before hopping the border, our country tells them it's ok to never learn it. So why would you? More brilliant "fair" rules by the US.
If you can't speak English somewhat well, you really have no place voting. As far as the whole "border control" issue...it's utterly pointless at this point. Our country is basically culturally fucked...ahha, and I don't really care. ;) ;D You either just shoot someone for being an illegal, on the spot, or let anyone come in.
That would make the point pretty clear.
"Excuse me, do you have a green card?"
"No."
BOOM!!! dead
Thanks for playing. Our country is run by complete pussies. Take a look at congress for God sakes...spineless old turds with bad hair pieces..haah
Are you saying it's time for a revolution, crotch?
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Actually a better question is should they be in ebonics :-\
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Are you saying it's time for a revolution, crotch?
No, time to bury your head in the sand. Getting worked up doesn't change a thing, neither does talking about it...haha Nothing better than the "change the world" guy.
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No, time to bury your head in the sand. Getting worked up doesn't change a thing, neither does talking about it...haha Nothing better than the "change the world" guy.
Ignore it and it will go away?
Don't make eye contact..........
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No, time to bury your head in the sand. Getting worked up doesn't change a thing, neither does talking about it...haha Nothing better than the "change the world" guy.
Let more local agencies arrest based on their status and work with the feds to get these fuckers. If you do not apply habeas corpus to these fuckers and just deport them then you start to eliminate the problem. Eliminate all forms in other languages and you solve the problem. Make it a crime to post signs in any other language on any business and you solve the problem. Ever heard of Geno's in Philly? Do things like that and you get more English speakers. If they don't like it they can leave.
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Make it a crime to post signs in any other language on any business and you solve the problem.
yeah, who needs the First Amendment anyway ?
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Eliminate all forms in other languages and you solve the problem. Make it a crime to post signs in any other language on any business and you solve the problem. Ever heard of Geno's in Philly? Do things like that and you get more English speakers. If they don't like it they can leave.
No no no.
We still need to be AMERICA.
It's an emotional issue for many people, I get that. But take out the emotion and insert some common sense and in so doing, you might find yourself on common ground with many others who can agree that upon a reasonable viewpoint and course of action.
I know that America has gone through it before with Blacks, but I really don't see a return to the days where the prevailing thought pattern is "Anything group-X demands, they get - and we have to pay for it and in our own country, no less!" among America's middle and lower classes.
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I know that America has gone through it before with Blacks, but I really don't see a return to the days where the prevailing thought pattern is "Anything group-X demands, they get - and we have to pay for it and in our own country, no less!" among America's middle and lower classes.
No, but that thought pattern is still very prevalent among educators and media-types, who do their best to brainwash our youth. They usually succeed too, although thankfully a portion wake up and get deprogrammed by age 30. Either way, little by little we are heading in the direction of where Europe is now... if you are a "minority" group, you can demand and get anything. I'm waiting for the Euros to start building the concentration camps for all the white men over there.
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yeah, who needs the First Amendment anyway ?
It's not a first ammendment issue... regulation of commerce is a legitimate government function. There are already LOTS of laws and regulations both requiring and prohibiting various signs and information in various types of businesses open to the public. This is nothing new.
It would only be a first ammendment issue if they tried to regulate signage in private homes or private clubs.
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NO ad should be in ANY other language if you're here in America. PERIOD!
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It would only be a first ammendment issue if they tried to regulate signage in private homes or private clubs.
Since 1886 (Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad Company), corporations have all the same rights as individuals. Outlawing signs in other languages would be a violation of the First Amendment.
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NO ad should be in ANY other language if you're here in America. PERIOD!
yes, they should all be in Algonquian.
seriously, the French were in Louisiana first. the Spanish were in the southwest first. the Dutch were in New York first.
The official name of the town I live in is El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula. It's charter is written in spanish.
We've always been a multi-lingual nation.
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Since 1886 (Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad Company), corporations have all the same rights as individuals. Outlawing signs in other languages would be a violation of the First Amendment.
Wrong analysis, hotshot. The first amendment basically protects "political" speech. The goat is right. Congress reaches business signage (and service) through the Interstate Commerce Clause.
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yes, they should all be in Algonquian.
seriously, the French were in Louisiana first. the Spanish were in the southwest first. the Dutch were in New York first.
The official name of the town I live in is El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula. It's charter is written in spanish.
We've always been a multi-lingual nation.
It doesn't matter who was where first. What matters is what language the vast majority speak today. Having a single, common language is very important to being one nation and one people. Encouraging or creating a climate where multiple languages flourish encourages the kind of "multiculturalism" crap that breaks down national unity and divides people into camps and pits them against one another. Instead of the great American melting pot, where everyone leaves what they were at the door and becomes an American, we risk becoming like the Balkans or Iraq, where it's one group against another because these places have embraced multiculturalism over national unity. I'm not saying English is "better" than any other language, I'm saying we must have ONE language to be one people, and English is the obvious choice since it's already spoken by 95% of the people.
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God forbid people want English spoken in America. If you do you're ignorant or insensitive. ::)
If i moved to Germany, I wouldn't expect them to cater to me because of the language barrier. Why do immigrants in America think otherwise?
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I'm saying we must have ONE language to be one people, and English is the obvious choice since it's already spoken by 95% of the people.
sounds like you want to use government for social engineering
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IMO, feeling enfranchised is more important than having a common language for campaigning, when it comes to feeling American.
If campaign ads in Spanish make immigrants feel more involved in the process, more power to campaign ads in Spanish.
Education and enfranchisement are two different issues for the purposes of this argument.
Schools should definitely emphasize English, as it helps with the construction of an American identity.
But, for Juan Pablo Montoya, who got here at age 36, Spanish campaign ads make sense.
Bottom line is we need to be more inclusive to build a common future, not exclusive.
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I'm not an American nor do I live in America, but I believe for any country, if you don't speak the language, GET THE FUCK OUT... I'm a European living in Canada, I came here when I was close to my teens, took me 3 months to learn the language. I don't understand how people can live in a country for 10, 20 years and not know the language AT ALL... it's somewhat like that here (Toronto) with the Italian and Indian/Paki communities, they're kids bring them over in their 50's and they can't speak one word of english.
well said. I do live in America, and while I understand that this country is a "melting pot" of various ethnicities and cultures, this country was founded by English-speaking people, and that's how it should stay. I'm all for allowing people to move here and work and contribute to society, but only if they make the effort to learn our language and our laws. I wouldn't go to any other country and simply expect them nor request them to accommodate my needs, I would learn their language and try my hardest to become a functioning citizen. I don't understand why everyone in this country, who is here legally and speaks English, should have to spend more money and time and effort to make the lives better for those who may not have come here legally, and even for the ones who have. They shouldn't be entitled to special treatment anywhere, if they want to be here so bad then they need to put some effort forth too.
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sounds like you want to use government for social engineering
NO.
Choosing to use a single language on all government documents (and also in banking) is hardly 'social engineering'.
Running Spanish-language campaigns...I just cannot accept that degree of pandering.
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sounds like you want to use government for social engineering
I think encouraging national unity is a proper government function. The reason being that when people divide themselves into "multicultural camps" along ethnic or language lines, sooner or later you end up with at the very least civil strife, if not civil war. Look at most African "nations" that were cobbled together from multiple tribes, each speaking their own language. In America, it might not happen for 50 or 100 years, but if we allow things to continue down this road, sooner or later it WILL happen. If preventing this is "social engineering", then so be it.
Something you need to keep in mind is this only became a real issue since the recent age of political correctness started requiring us to bend over backwards and "accommodate" everyone. Prior to that, the attitude was "learn the language or get the fuck out", and it worked pretty well. In my opinion, the "PC" crowd are the social engineers, whose grand experiment will come back to bite us in the ass in a few decades, if not sooner.
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Running Spanish-language campaigns...I just cannot accept that degree of pandering.
Whatever, dude. Sometimes you come off like you want to be goatboy for a day.
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But, for Juan Pablo Montoya, who got here at age 36, illegally, Spanish campaign ads make sense.
Bottom line is we need to be more inclusive to build a common future, not exclusive.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Leave him alone. He's a race car driver.
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yeah, who needs the First Amendment anyway ?
When people who speak English cannot understand the signs in an area, it's a problem. You might to cauterize that bleeding heart of yours. Grow some balls and stop apologizing for what happened 250+ years ago in this country. We are an English speaking nation, whether it is official or not. No no no.
We still need to be AMERICA.
It's an emotional issue for many people, I get that. But take out the emotion and insert some common sense and in so doing, you might find yourself on common ground with many others who can agree that upon a reasonable viewpoint and course of action.
I know that America has gone through it before with Blacks, but I really don't see a return to the days where the prevailing thought pattern is "Anything group-X demands, they get - and we have to pay for it and in our own country, no less!" among America's middle and lower classes.
No, the easiest way to solve the problem is to give them an incentive to learn the language. Taking away forms in other languages throws you in the deep end and teaches you to swim or you sink. Tough shit. My great grandparents had to do it and did it, why can't the legals and illegals now do it? Simple, because they don't have to. Shit, people in Europe and Asia know more English than the immigrants here. That's sad.
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Fixed.
Doesn't matter how he got here. The question is if the law permits him to vote.
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When people who speak English cannot understand the signs in an area, it's a problem. You might to cauterize that bleeding heart of yours. Grow some balls and stop apologizing for what happened 250+ years ago in this country. We are an English speaking nation, whether it is official or not. No, the easiest way to solve the problem is to give them an incentive to learn the language. Taking away forms in other languages throws you in the deep end and teaches you to swim or you sink. Tough shit. My great grandparents had to do it and did it, why can't the legals and illegals now do it? Simple, because they don't have to. Shit, people in Europe and Asia know more English than the immigrants here. That's sad.
Quoted for truth.
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Doesn't matter how he got here. The question is if the law permits him to vote.
It does matter how he got here. If he is illegal, he is not eligible to vote. He has to be a naturalized citizen to vote. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781452.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781452.html))
By the way, I am not against presidential ads in Spanish. Doing ads in multiple languages is a candidate's personal choice. They aren't government documents or products. I don't think that we should, however, print government documents in dual languages. It is costly and is a disincentive for people to learn english. Having a common language just makes commerce and governance easier. Ask businesses in the EU how much extra it costs them to deal with multiple lanquage requirements on product labelling and such. I am pretty sure that it is quite significant.
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It does matter how he got here. If he is illegal, he is not eligible to vote. He has to be a naturalized citizen to vote. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781452.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781452.html))
Many people who come here illegally do naturalize.
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Many people who come here illegally do naturalize.
The only way that can happen is through an amnesty (as happened in 1986), or if they leave and re-enter the country legally by being granted an immigrant visa. Someone can't just be here illegally and apply for naturalization... it doesn't work that way.
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People who come here illegally can naturalize.
Sure and part of the requirements of naturalization are, "an ability to read, write, and speak English"
(see below and http://www.uscis.gov/propub/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=sethitdoc&doc_hit=1&doc_searchcontext=jump&s_context=jump&s_action=newSearch&s_method=applyFilter&s_fieldSearch=nxthomecollectionid|SLB&s_fieldSearch=foliodestination|8cfrsec3121&s_type=all&hash=0-0-0-17103 (http://www.uscis.gov/propub/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=sethitdoc&doc_hit=1&doc_searchcontext=jump&s_context=jump&s_action=newSearch&s_method=applyFilter&s_fieldSearch=nxthomecollectionid|SLB&s_fieldSearch=foliodestination|8cfrsec3121&s_type=all&hash=0-0-0-17103) from the US Citizen and Immigration service website: )
So once Juan is naturalized, why should we cater to his Spanish-speaking heritage? If he is now American, he should speak, read & write english.
Naturalization
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:
a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
an ability to read, write, and speak English;
a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
good moral character;
attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
favorable disposition toward the United States.
Note: Recent changes in immigration law and USCIS procedures now make it easier for U.S. military personnel to naturalize (see Naturalization Information for Military Personnel).
All naturalization applicants must demonstrate good moral character, attachment, and favorable disposition. The other naturalization requirements may be modified or waived for certain applicants, such as spouses of U.S. citizens. Applicants should review the materials listed under "Related Links" and carefully read the N-400 application instructions before applying.
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Whatever, dude. Sometimes you come off like you want to be goatboy for a day.
He and I don't always agree, but Goat and I both bring a lot of common sense to the table.
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Sure and part of the requirements of naturalization are, "an ability to read, write, and speak English"
This is actually a very good point. In order to vote you must be a citizen. In order to become a citizen you must have "an ability to read, write, and speak English".
So, given that, why the FUCK should ballots be printed in any language other than English?
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Didn't Clinton promise that the passage of NAFTA would stem the flow of illegal immigrants from the south?
And people want them back in the White House?
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And people want them back in the White House?
That won't happen. The election will be Obama vs McCain.
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Level of English proficiency required to memorize answers to questions at the "interview"< Level of English proficiency required to follow discussions/analysis/statements of candidates.
Like I said, Spanish language ads/programs facilitate inclusion........
They're already here. why would you want an alienated group in your midst?
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So, given that, why the FUCK should ballots be printed in any language other than English?
He said "campaign ads" for Christ's sake.
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He said "campaign ads" for Christ's sake.
The conversation expanded beyond just campaign ads when you weren't looking. 8)
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The conversation expanded beyond just campaign ads when you weren't looking. 8)
Well, ballots need not be in any language other than English, IMO. If they can't master the rudiments of English literacy, they shouldn't be voting.
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Like I said, Spanish language ads/programs facilitate inclusion........
They're already here. why would you want an alienated group in your midst?
They'll do what every other "alienated" group in our midst like the germans, italians, poles, and swedes did: learn the language and become Americans.
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California has Spanish-language ballots.
Let me be clear - for the most part, I LOVE immigrants and I openly admit my respect for what they mean to our economy.
But the electoral process - which is the business of ALL the people - must be conducted in English only.
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People can speak their language and practice culture but as far as a formal setting, such as business, elections or health care they need to be able to converse in English ONLY. People abuse the fact that they don't need to learn the language or that they can congregate in close communities and never learn the language. What happens if their is no translator to tell the doc you are allergic to certain meds and you don't have the ID bracelet? Think about it. It's not only necessary but smart to learn the language.
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That won't happen. The election will be Obama vs McCain.
I dunno, man. I'm still afraid.
The Clinton machine has worked out exactly what they need, numbers-wise, in the remaining primaries and I'm not so sure that their plan of action for achieving that will be entirely ethical or legal.
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Try bringing this issue up in real life.. lol You'll be branded a racist faster than Speedy Gonzalez. :-\
I agree that the US shouldn't cater to spanish immigrants. I'm sick of pressing '1' for english and sick of them asking english speakers to learn their language.
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Try bringing this issue up in real life.. lol You'll be branded a racist faster than Speedy Gonzalez. :-\
I agree that the US shouldn't cater to spanish immigrants. I'm sick of pressing '1' for english and sick of them asking english speakers to learn their language.
I've brought up my border protection plan to many friends. They laughed their asses off.
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I've brought up my border protection plan to many friends. They laughed their asses off.
The reason they laughed is because they know that the federalis need the completely open border for a couple of key reasons:
1) cheap labor
2) narcotic traffic
Both of things have to be protected by the people in power and that is why we spend millions to maintain an open border.
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The reason they laughed is because they know that the federalis need the completely open border for a couple of key reasons:
1) cheap labor
2) narcotic traffic
Both of things have to be protected by the people in power and that is why we spend millions to maintain an open border.
Nope, I can honestly say that is not why they laughed but thanks for playing. "Cheap" labor is costing us billions so that argument goes out the window.
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He and I don't always agree, but Goat and I both bring a lot of common sense to the table.
The Goat also brings a resentment of the less fortunate that is unseemly in the privileged.
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The Goat also brings a resentment of the less fortunate that is unseemly in the privileged.
I disagree with the "privileged" characterization. I'm not a trust-fund baby who was handed wealth without a clue of what it takes to create it. Instead I started from scratch and worked for it. Perhaps if I actually were "privileged" I would have a more charitable attitude towards the stupid and lazy less fortunate. ::)
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I disagree with the "privileged" characterization. I'm not a trust-fund baby who was handed wealth without a clue of what it takes to create it. Instead I started from scratch and worked for it. Perhaps if I actually were "privileged" I would have a more charitable attitude towards the stupid and lazy less fortunate. ::)
You seem to be doing well enough, and I'm sure the majority of them are not lazy, and probably would handle themselves better if they had better education.
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Should Presidential campaign ads be in Spanish?
Only if Presidential campaign ads in Mexico are in English.
;D ;D ;D
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Should Presidential campaign ads be in Spanish?
Only if Presidential campaign ads in Mexico are in English.
;D ;D ;D
AHAHAHAHAHA......you're hilarious!
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FUCK NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree, speak English or get the Fuck out!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;D ;D(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x175/pixbin/duke_english.jpg)
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;D ;D(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x175/pixbin/duke_english.jpg)
Still 1961 where you're at? :D
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How many languages are available on the atm machines down there(US)? I just went to one here in Canada and there was french/english which is normal,but there was also a choice for mandarin which I thought was unique.
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Nope, I can honestly say that is not why they laughed but thanks for playing. "Cheap" labor is costing us billions so that argument goes out the window.
You say 'costing us billions', yet both the Democrats and Republicans work diligently to keep that labor force viable.
If it's costing us so much, then why are all the people in power so adamant about maintaining it?
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You say 'costing us billions', yet both the Democrats and Republicans work diligently to keep that labor force viable.
If it's costing us so much, then why are all the people in power so adamant about maintaining it?
We waste billions on illegals and their illegal families but they want to court them and their friends to vote for the respective parties. the politicians stay powerful and rich regardless if we all get fucked in taxes and they get pissed away on people who don't deserve them. We waste millions on these fuckers in education and they can't even learn the language. Pathetic. Kick em all out and have the welfare workers do their jobs. Put those lazy asses to work and then kick the other illegal freeloaders out.
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I'm very keen on streamlining the citizenship process for our (for the most part) law-abiding Latino friends and also for visitors from other countries. I want them to be part of our workforce, to be part of our tax base, and to be part of our national community.
I do NOT, however, want TV ads for our Presidential candidates to be in Spanish, nor do I want Spanish-language ballots at our polling places.
I'm all for welcoming people into our country, and they're welcome to speak their native language, but the business of America needs to be conducted in English.
Move to the Politics board at your leisure.
Como se llama?
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Como se llama?
No sé. Que es su nombre?
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We waste billions on illegals and their illegal families but they want to court them and their friends to vote for the respective parties. the politicians stay powerful and rich regardless if we all get fucked in taxes and they get pissed away on people who don't deserve them. We waste millions on these fuckers in education and they can't even learn the language. Pathetic. Kick em all out and have the welfare workers do their jobs. Put those lazy asses to work and then kick the other illegal freeloaders out.
Let us all leave and let the Indians have it back. Oh well, remeber Santa Anna and the Alamo!
Screw it, make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday in the USA
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Let us all leave and let the Indians have it back.
Most of the Indians are Americans now. The remaining backwards fucks on the reservations wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. ::)
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Still 1961 where you're at? :D
Actually more like the 1800's..............where a man who wrongs another mans family meets his justice through a lead bullet. Where there is no political correctness or walking softly so as not to upset someone's poor wittle feelings. This country has gone steadily downhill since the 1960's hippie peace love drug bullshit.
Too many asshole lawyers have taken this country and sold it to the highest bidder all for the sake of money. Where each year we vote for stupid changes all in the guise to save "mother earth" or help the drug addicted or impregnated illiterate illegals, so that a politician can secure a vote. Its time people take responsibility for themselves and stop asking for the governments help(the tax payers).
I don't remember reading about the people who built this great country demanding a handout from our government. People used to work hard for everything they got and where just thankfull for the opportunity. Now all you hear about is how everybody should have this or that, and for what?
Immigrants should be required to speak the national language(English). Keep their customs from their countries at home where they belong, and fit in with the rest of us Americans or get the fuck out.
Can you imagine if you went to Spain or France and expected to get everything people over here get, be able to do things in your language?
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Most of the Indians are Americans now. The remaining backwards fucks on the reservations wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. ::)
Lay off the reservations, we need the casinos pal >:(
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Let us all leave and let the Indians have it back. Oh well, remeber Santa Anna and the Alamo!
Screw it, make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday in the USA
Unlike you I don't feel responsible for those actions because I wasn't alive. Things happen throughout history and you learn from mistakes. Are the current Mexicans looking for an apology from Spain? If they are let me know. Get over it. Aside from the Southwest what are they complaining about? BTW, the people who "deserve" their land back are fucking up the states (AZ and CA) that they used to inhabit. All these people needed/need to do is fill out papers and wait but they can't even do that after 10-50 years. Not my problem.
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Unlike you I don't feel responsible for those actions because I wasn't alive. Things happen throughout history and you learn from mistakes. Are the current Mexicans looking for an apology from Spain? If they are let me know. Get over it. Aside from the Southwest what are they complaining about? BTW, the people who "deserve" their land back are fucking up the states (AZ and CA) that they used to inhabit. All these people needed/need to do is fill out papers and wait but they can't even do that after 10-50 years. Not my problem.
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You took my cinco de mayo holiday idea serious???? OMG, you didn't, did you?? :o
Now take two midol , hold your nose and fart and try to clear your brain of the fog it is in.
I think that any LEGAL immigrant is an American no matter who they are or when they got here.
The ILLEGAL immigrants need to go home, just my opinion as well
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You took my cinco de mayo holiday idea serious???? OMG, you didn't, did you?? :o
Now take two midol , hold your nose and fart and try to clear your brain of the fog it is in.
I think that any LEGAL immigrant is an American no matter who they are or when they got here.
The ILLEGAL immigrants need to go home, just my opinion as well
Legal immigrants still need to learn our language, they way they used to. Illegals do need to go home and need to get their free pass revoked.
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Speak English or get the fuck out.
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California has Spanish-language ballots.
Let me be clear - for the most part, I LOVE immigrants and I openly admit my respect for what they mean to our economy.
But the electoral process - which is the business of ALL the people - must be conducted in English only.
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Legal immigrants still need to learn our language, they way they used to.
In some box in the basement of one of my sibilings are the text books from my great grandfather's primary school, his first, second and third grade readers, from the town of Hecker, Illinois, just outside of St Louis. Guess what? They're in german. Around 1900, the official language of the school in this farming community was german. He was second generation American. His grandparents are the ones who had immigrated some 40 years before. Yet the whole town was still speaking german. The next generation spoke a little less. The generation after that hardly any at all.
and that's pretty normal for all the ethnic groups. Each generation speaks a little less of the mother language, and a little more english.
But guess what. The world is changing. English is spoken throughout Europe. English is being spoken more and more in Latin America.