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Bob always looks like a monster in these clips and like he always says, "it's not what you bench, it's what you look like you bench".
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benching does suck, if you want to save your wrists find other exercises.
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Bob handles some big weight on other chest movements like 5 plates per side for reps on Hammer Strength flat benches and 125-130 pound db's on very deep dumbbell incline presses for sets of 10-12.
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Wow that hammer strenght fly machine looks fucking awesome
I hate flies, I usually do them with cables to keep maximal tension on the chest but it looks like with this machine you can go heavy, while keeping maximal tension
I want one at my gym
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Good Video.
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He's right. I love how guys say how weak he is. I'd love to be that "weak".
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i prefer dumbells
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Wow that hammer strenght fly machine looks fucking awesome
I hate flies, I usually do them with cables to keep maximal tension on the chest but it looks like with this machine you can go heavy, while keeping maximal tension
I want one at my gym
My gym has one, the only issue is getting under it. They designed it for someone that as short arms. Trying to stetch low enough to get under then start the first rep is hard, after that though you get a wicked stretch and pump.
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Pearls of wisdom from Charles....take our advices my friends, and use the bench press as merely ONE exercise of many....especially if you're not built for the bench.
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Pearls of wisdom from Charles....take our advices my friends, and use the bench press as merely ONE exercise of many....especially if you're not built for the bench.
One day I'll be as big as you Bob 8)
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My gym has one, the only issue is getting under it. They designed it for someone that as short arms. Trying to stetch low enough to get under then start the first rep is hard, after that though you get a wicked stretch and pump.
Interesting...the one at Golds can be adjusted for height.
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but aint that bench pressing then what gunther did in the smith machine?
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Bob always looks like a monster in these clips and like he always says, "it's not what you bench, it's what you look like you bench".
most accurate statement ever on this board. I can bench a decent amount of weight but my chest sucks....i'd rather have a big ass chest and not be able to bench shit.
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but aint that bench pressing then what gunther did in the smith machine?
those were steep incline presses.
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but aint that bench pressing then what gunther did in the smith machine?
Yes it is....and it's explained about as much as can be...watch and listen.
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you will build better chest if you only do incline/decline.
Regular bench press is a front delt workout.
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Excessive flat bench pressing is a great way to get some nice droopy pecs that look like titties.
Incline is where it's at.
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I love heavy flat Dumbell presses and flys. Fuck barbells.
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Bob!
There's a rumor you're going to be a guest on Big Nation Radio next Monday!
Any truth to this?
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Excessive flat bench pressing is a great way to get some nice droopy pecs that look like titties.
Incline is where it's at.
exactly the experience I made... Nowadays I mainly focuse on incline, which is more challenging with regards to the delts on the other hand.
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Very good thread.
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you will build better chest if you only do incline/decline.
Regular bench press is a front delt workout.
absolutely not, if you know how to bench press it doesn't involve fron delts more than the other presses
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Bob always looks like a monster in these clips and like he always says, "it's not what you bench, it's what you look like you bench".
so you mean we don't all need to bench 36 tons like you? :P
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Pearls of wisdom from Charles....take our advices my friends, and use the bench press as merely ONE exercise of many....especially if you're not built for the bench.
what excatly do you mean by "especially if you're not built for the bench" is there such a thing?
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I like inclines and declines. I feel much more on a flat flye than I would on a flat press. The only thing I do flat is a flye.
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what excatly do you mean by "especially if you're not built for the bench" is there such a thing?
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bump for truth
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I agree with Bob.
Actually, I believe that the Bench Press is one of the "worst" exercises for building your pecs.
It's fun to do to build up your ego throwing around super heavy weight, but it's absolutely horrible for your body.
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Pearls of wisdom from Charles....take our advices my friends, and use the bench press as merely ONE exercise of many....especially if you're not built for the bench.
Can you elaborate on that? Thanks.
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Can you elaborate on that? Thanks.
I think that what he is referring to is people's different biomechanics affecting how effectively they perform the flat bench press - factors like arm length, how your shoulders are formed/developed etc.. The same sort of factors that make some people more suited to the squat than others..and , of course, the deadlift as well.
Genetically we all differ in our body parts and proportions, so does the way these parts function together in a compound movement.
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I think that what he is referring to is people's different biomechanics affecting how effectively they perform the flat bench press - factors like arm length, how your shoulders are formed/developed etc.. The same sort of factors that make some people more suited to the squat than others..and , of course, the deadlift as well.
Genetically we all differ in our body parts and proportions, so does the way these parts function together in a compound movement.
I've always thought that. I have really long arms, and it sucks. Both getting them bigger and lifting further distcances are a bitch.
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Can you elaborate on that? Thanks.
I think what Bob is referring to when saying “if you’re not built for bench” is your body type or genetics.
Rib cage size, Scapular positioning, Humerus length, Glenohumeral range of motion, etc. are very important factors in performing a Bench Press efficiently.
If you are built in such a way that you cannot perform this exercise efficiently, you will not only be weaker, but be at risk for serious injury.
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I've always thought that. I have really long arms, and it sucks. Both getting them bigger and lifting further distcances are a bitch.
Try fully retracting your scapula when benching and see if that helps. (squeezing your shoulder blades together against the bench). That should really improve your force angles.
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Try fully retracting your scapula when benching and see if that helps. (squeezing your shoulder blades together against the bench). That should really improve your force angles.
Cool, good advice man. (I hope) Look forward to trying.
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Since when was 'Chick' an authority. What shows has he won? He should stick to stopping Nasser having his say and kissing up to Boyer Nobody on that terrible show.
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Since when was 'Chick' an authority. What shows has he won? He should stick to stopping Nasser having his say and kissing up to Boyer Nobody on that terrible show.
::)
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Scapular retraction can help isolate the muscle better, and might reduce but will not prevent shoulder problems some guys will get from shoulder impingement caused thru pressing motions like BP and behind the necks. Dumbbells can help prevent problems with freer ROMS and can be more effective, or just avoid those and use other exercises.
This is what Bob's talking about and is common sense, nothing to do with being an expert. He's an expert in knowing some of the downsides of BP, just as i am and many other experienced lifters. ;)
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Scapular retraction can help isolate the muscle better, and might reduce but will not prevent shoulder problems some guys will get from shoulder impingement caused thru pressing motions like BP and behind the necks. Dumbbells can help prevent problems with freer ROMS and can be more effective, or just avoid those and use other exercises.
This is what Bob's talking about and is common sense, nothing to do with being an expert. He's an expert in knowing some of the downsides of BP, just as i am and many other experienced lifters. ;)
Can't do incline...fucks my shoulders up too much....
The old debat....does it actually make a difference whether you flat bench or incline bench?...the pecs are one muscle....
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hell yes it matters. sure the pec is only one muscle....but hitting it from different angles stresses different sections of the muscle. it is ONE muscle, made up of MANY fibers...
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Gunter looking good and healthy, so is he back or what?
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Can't do incline...fucks my shoulders up too much....
The old debat....does it actually make a difference whether you flat bench or incline bench?...the pecs are one muscle....
inclines don't "fucck up" my shoulders but i do feel them in the shoulders WAY more than flat benches, flat benches have always given me a pump and soreness in my chest way more than inclines, i love dumbbell inclines though.
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inclines don't "fucck up" my shoulders but i do feel them in the shoulders WAY more than flat benches, flat benches have always given me a pump and soreness in my chest way more than inclines, i love dumbbell inclines though.
you should try the smith machine for inclines. i never feel much in my chets with compound movements...but since i have started doing inclines on the smith a can really squeeze my chest during the rep and pretty much take all of the shoulders and triceps out of the motion.
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you should try the smith machine for inclines. i never feel much in my chets with compound movements...but since i have started doing inclines on the smith a can really squeeze my chest during the rep and pretty much take all of the shoulders and triceps out of the motion.
i don't like the dumb ass Smiths at my gym, they're the goofy angled Flex Fitness ones that suck ass, i do flat bar benches, db inclines, flat db flyes and sometimes weighted dips.
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i don't like the dumb ass Smiths at my gym, they're the goofy angled Flex Fitness ones that suck ass, i do flat bar benches, db inclines, flat db flyes and sometimes weighted dips.
i like db inclines too. flat db flys always work well (as far as hitting the chest), but i dont feel like im stimulating much grwth with them for some reason. i normally do a few light sets on them before starting my chest workout just to get my brain used to contracting my chest...otherwise iw ill be all shoulders and triceps for the entire workout.
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::) to the 'expert'
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i don't like the dumb ass Smiths at my gym, they're the goofy angled Flex Fitness ones that suck ass, i do flat bar benches, db inclines, flat db flyes and sometimes weighted dips.
Seems like the kind of workout only a real man would do, squad
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i like db inclines too. flat db flys always work well (as far as hitting the chest), but i dont feel like im stimulating much grwth with them for some reason. i normally do a few light sets on them before starting my chest workout just to get my brain used to contracting my chest...otherwise iw ill be all shoulders and triceps for the entire workout.
you gotta do 'em heavy to get soreness and growth out of them, messing around with 30 and 40 pound db's ain't gonna do anything on flyes, bend your arms a little but don't turn it into a press.
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you gotta do 'em heavy to get soreness and growth out of them, messing around with 30 and 40 pound db's ain't gonna do anything on flyes, bend your arms a little but don't turn it into a press.
thats funn...i do use the 35 's for warming up... i just trained chest this morning. so nxt chest workout ill try to do some HEAVY flys and see if i can gte soemthing out of them.
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i dont believe in heavy flyes.
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I don't believe in isolation exercises.
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I agree with but but I have this mental block that if I dont get 405 up for a few reps on the flat bench Im going to loose something so I start flat bench then move to the incline then the decline.
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i dont believe in heavy flyes.
Ik geloof niet aan god.
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I agree with but but I have this mental block that if I dont get 405 up for a few reps on the flat bench Im going to loose something so I start flat bench then move to the incline then the decline.
do you do barbell on all three?
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thats funn...i do use the 35 's for warming up... i just trained chest this morning. so nxt chest workout ill try to do some HEAVY flys and see if i can gte soemthing out of them.
Flat flyes are a great exercise. Arnold used to do them starting at 60lb dumbbells and going up to 80lb dumbbells to pre-exhaust his chest. Then he'd do inclines with a barbell, weighted dips, crossovers, pullovers.
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Is there something you want to tell us, "Mars" ?
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can you believe a girl like that fucking that geek.
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can you believe a girl like that fucking that geek.
It's pretty much the norm everywhere in the world, I think...
That girl has some weird vein on her right leg, by the way.
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i cant post the porn pics anymore sorry.
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i cant post the porn pics anymore sorry.
You can on http://www.bignationradio.com/smf (http://www.bignationradio.com/smf)! :D
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i dont believe in heavy flyes.
Nor to I.
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Pearls of wisdom from Charles....take our advices my friends, and use the bench press as merely ONE exercise of many....especially if you're not built for the bench.
any time people ask me what i suggest for chest work, i say to get on the incline and use some dumbbells. i love benching heavy but hasn't done fuck all for my chest.
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If you bench PL style (elbows in, arched etc.) it's not going to do much for your chest, it becomes another story when you bench bb style.
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It's pretty much the norm everywhere in the world, I think...
That girl has some weird vein on her right leg, by the way.
Haha You are really interesting guy! I didnt notice that(vein).
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Japanese...that's the connect...
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do you do barbell on all three?
Yes I do, I know, I know I should switch it up
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i dont believe in heavy flyes.
Fly motions including DB and pec deck are the purest chest exercises, meaning maximum upper arm ROM and minimum arm flex. Schwarzenegger and others going heavy on flys should be a pretty good hint.
Those machine presses Glass had them doing were very effective because they exaggerate the fly motion in each case, and minimize pressing and arm flex.
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Can't do incline...fucks my shoulders up too much....
The old debat....does it actually make a difference whether you flat bench or incline bench?...the pecs are one muscle....
Definitely matters. However the old debate is true. It's called the "all or none" principle. All of the muscle fibers fire or none at all. However, you can put more emphasis on a specific area on certain groups.
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Interesting...the one at Golds can be adjusted for height.
I train at Venice Gold's as well and I've never had the patience to actually figure out how that machine really works
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Anybody ever get problems in their upper back around the spine area from barbell chest press movements or machines? I've been getting that recently. I may switch over to dumbbells completely for a while and see if that helps any.
Come to think of it, my damn body is breaking down. I played basketball for the first time in 5 months today and I feel terrible. My right foot (which I sprained six months ago badly) feels awful and my left knee always stiffens up. I tweaked my lower back earlier in the week and then there's this upper back problem. People told me that you really begin to feel your age in your 30s, now I believe them!
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Come to think of it, my damn body is breaking down. I played basketball for the first time in 5 months today and I feel terrible. My right foot (which I sprained six months ago badly) feels awful and my left knee always stiffens up. I tweaked my lower back earlier in the week and then there's this upper back problem. People told me that you really begin to feel your age in your 30s, now I believe them!
Just getting older is all it is, bro. The day after my first baseball game last year, every single bone in my feet were sore. WTF is up with that!?. Just gotta suck it up and remind yourself that you are %100 fitter than the rest of the unwashed that surround us. :-\