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Im glad hes finally starting to put his ideas out there instead of just empty words. Im starting to like the guy.
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I'm not sure how he's going to implement any of his ideas when they all require to spend, spend, spend while also maintaining a major presence overseas, (despite him saying he'll end the war, he did say that,right?)
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Im glad hes finally starting to put his ideas out there instead of just empty words. Im starting to like the guy.
He's ALWAYS had his ideas out there. Ever visited any of the candidate's websites? You have to know how to read to be an informed citizen, ya' know. ::)
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I'm not sure how he's going to implement any of his ideas when they all require to spend, spend, spend while also maintaining a major presence overseas, (despite him saying he'll end the war, he did say that,right?)
Getting the hell out of Iraq will save billions, as Obama has said repeatedly in his speeches and in debates. ;) We spend over $1billion per day in the ridiculous disaster.
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He's ALWAYS had his ideas out there. Ever visited any of the candidate's websites? You have to know how to read to be an informed citizen, ya' know. ::)
I was just about to post this before I scrolled down and saw your post.
It's funny how he has gotten this rap as someone who's big on ideas and short on specifics. His most recent book was very detail oriented in regards to what he plans on doing if he is elected. Just check out some of his old speeches on youtube. They have a lot of very solid policy ideas in them.
I guess a lot of people just can't grasp that someone can possess both style and substance. The fact that he manages to be genuiinely inspiring to his constituency doesn't mean that he automatically lack follow up abitlity.
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I listen to Ron PAul so I already know all about how much money we spend, but what I don't know about Obama is WHEN is he gonna get the troops out?
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I listen to Ron PAul so I already know all about how much money we spend, but what I don't know about Obama is WHEN is he gonna get the troops out?
How about watching a debate instead of asking getbig members to articulate Obama's platform, jackass? Or I don't know...maybe going to his website and studying his agenda? Too hard for you?
Obama has answered this question about 1000 times in the last year. ::)
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How about watching a debate instead of asking getbig members to articulate Obama's platform, jackass? Or I don't know...maybe going to his website and studying his agenda? Too hard for you?
Obama has answered this question about 1000 times in the last year. ::)
I jsut asked a simple question.
It's a simple question and I would look for it myself if I thought I could find a straight answer about it, but he's "changed" his mind so many times, I don't where he stands.
Since you're an Obama expert, why don't you just tell me, or is finding the real answer difficult for you too?
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I jsut asked a simple question.
It's a simple question and I would look for it myself if I thought I could find a straight answer about it, but he's "changed" his mind so many times, I don't where he stands.
Since you're an Obama expert, why don't you just tell me, or is finding the real answer difficult for you too?
I already know the answers to such questions. Just because I choose not to spoon feed an obvious retard does not mean it is "difficult". ::)
Still having trouble typing in Obama's website, eh genius? Perhaps the fact that your boy Ron Paul's campaign went absolutely NOWHERE has you hurt and now you want to lash out. It isn't too late to get aboard the Obama Express, kid! ;)
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Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
hmmmmm
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Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
hmmmmm
hmmmmm? ???
Sounds good to me! Glad you figured out how to locate information online, son! Although methinks you knew all along...
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hmmmmm? ???
Maybe you're capable of finding info but I think you have a hard time comprehending what you're reading, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you, jackass. :D
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Obama, "I thought our priority had to be finishing the fight in Afghanistan"
"The United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan"
"...if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda"-website
"Iran a threat to all of us."
Interesting....
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OMG ::) CNN has had it out for Obama. This is just smear news.
"Ask yourself, is there any other major public figure who dresses the way he does? Why, yes. It is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who, unlike most of his predecessors, seems to have skipped through enough copies of "GQ" to find the jacket-and-no-tie look agreeable. And maybe that's not the comparison a possible presidential contender really wants to evoke."--Jeff Greenfield segment reporting with Wolf Blitzer
"Now, it is one thing to have a last name that sounds like Osama and a middle name, Hussein, that is probably less than helpful. But an outfit that reminds people of a charter member of the axis of evil, why, this could leave his presidential hopes hanging by a thread. Or is that threads?" -- Jeff Greenfield segment reporting with Wolf Blitzer
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Hahaha. Bennyboy screams for research, and bindare delivers. Now benny scrambles to find answers.......Classic owning. ;D
Hahaha The hen walked right into the fox-den. ;D
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Obama, "I thought our priority had to be finishing the fight in Afghanistan"
"The United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan"
"...if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda"-website
"Iran a threat to all of us."
Interesting....
Hahaha. Bennyboy screams for research, and bindare delivers. Now benny scrambles to find answers.......Classic owning. ;D
Hahaha The hen walked right into the fox-den. ;D
I didn't "scream" for research, because I already knew the answers. I said as much earlier. You are an obvious member of the Retard Club of which Bindare is senior member. You two "geniuses" can continue your incredible internet "ownings". ::)
I agree with what Obama stated, and when he is your president, you will have to suck it up or get the fuck out of the country. :D
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I didn't "scream" for research, because I already knew the answers. I said as much earlier. You are an obvious member of the Retard Club of which Bindare is senior member. You two "geniuses" can continue your incredible internet "ownings". ::)
I agree with what Obama stated, and when he is your president, you will have to suck it up or get the fuck out of the country. :D
Holy Shit man, take a pill, Benny Blanco from the Bronx!. hahaha
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haha just a bunch of desperate hating by the losing side. who will soon be cruched under the wheels of the glorious OBAMA TRAIN.
OBAMANATION. GET ON THE BUS OR PREPARE TO BE SMUSHED UNDERNEATH IT
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I didn't "scream" for research, because I already knew the answers. I said as much earlier. You are an obvious member of the Retard Club of which Bindare is senior member. You two "geniuses" can continue your incredible internet "ownings". ::)
I agree with what Obama stated, and when he is your president, you will have to suck it up or get the fuck out of the country. :D
I wonder how superman is gonna raise all this money while increasing military spending in the middle east... ;D
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I wonder how superman is gonna raise all this money while increasing military spending in the middle east... ;D
No one stops and thinks long enough to find an answer for that one. Everyone's to busy getting high off of speech's about nothing. Obama is a genius that way.
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I wonder how superman is gonna raise all this money while increasing military spending in the middle east... ;D
None of the quotes Bindare posted indicate an increase in military spending. They all very clearly state a decrease in military levels. A gradual reduction in troop levels and limited troops undertaking targeted strikes is not a "flip flop" . It's the only logical way to achieve his stated goals.
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He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Am I missing something?
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He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are. Those quotes means he'd keep limited troops in the region to perform specific tasks as opposed to keeping 150,000 troops in the region who have no specific goals other than to hit arbitrary benchmarks to prolong an increasingly pointless war.
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Yes, you are. Those quotes means he'd keep limited troops in the region to perform specific tasks as opposed to keeping 150,000 troops in the region who have no specific goals other than to hit arbitrary benchmarks to prolong an increasingly pointless war.
By the time he would take office, bush will make sure were in Iran and going after everyone. This will scare the American voter (Sheep) into thinking we better stay the course, and put Mccain in......watch it happen My brothers. 8)
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Yes, you are. Those quotes means he'd keep limited troops in the region to perform specific tasks as opposed to keeping 150,000 troops in the region who have no specific goals other than to hit arbitrary benchmarks to prolong an increasingly pointless war.
His position sounds no different to me than McCains, which is essentially, the amount of troops will fit the need according to the threat of terrorist attacks on America.
Petraeus says troop levels will have to be further reduced, (due to strain on the military), after mid-2008, when they are expected to return to pre-"surge" levels of about 130,000.
So is a limited amount 130,000? Is it 50,000? 10,000?
This could mean many more years of $$$$$ and dead men.
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The difference lies in the fact that the two men have different ideas about what constitutes need. McCain thinks the war was a good idea and wants to continue it. Obama's stance is to end the war and focus on limited militaristic strategies with clear goals and timelines. Thst is a huge difference. Just taking into account what was posted in this thread, it's clear that Obama is talking about a far more drastic reduction than pre-surge levels.
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The difference lies in the fact that the two men have different ideas about what constitutes need. McCain thinks the war was a good idea and wants to continue it. Obama's stance is to end the war and focus on limited militaristic strategies with clear goals and timelines. Thst is a huge difference. Just taking into account what was posted in this thread, it's clear that Obama is talking about a far more drastic reduction than pre-surge levels.
Time will tell.
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I'm with headhunter: this man should not be Commander in Chief.
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I'm with headhunter: this man should not be Commander in Chief.
Do you believe Bush has done better than Obama will?
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Do you believe Bush has done better than Obama will?
Now there's an impossible question. Who knows for certain? I don't know what Obama would face as Commander in Chief and how that would compare to what Bush has already done. But I will say he's clueless on military matters. I think a better question is whether Obama will be better than McCain as CIC. I can answer that one. :)
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Now there's an impossible question. Who knows for certain? I don't know what Obama would face as Commander in Chief and how that would compare to what Bush has already done. But I will say he's clueless on military matters. I think a better question is whether Obama will be better than McCain as CIC. I can answer that one. :)
McCain has served on the Senate Armed Services Committee since before I hit puberty. Given the glorious state of the Dept of Def and the other outfits its oversees, I can answer this one too.
I DON'T WANT MCCAIN TO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ANYTHING MILITARY!
Graduating near the bottom of your class at the Naval Academy is not a credential (guess nepotism will only get you so far). Another dubious cedential is being a POW for five and a half years. It's testament to his durability, but nothing else.
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McCain has served on the Senate Armed Services Committee since before I hit puberty. Given the glorious state of the Dept of Def and the other outfits its oversees, I can answer this one too.
I DON'T WANT MCCAIN TO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ANYTHING MILITARY!
Graduating near the bottom of your class at the Naval Academy is not a credential (guess nepotism will only get you so far). Another dubious cedential is being a POW for five and a half years. It's testament to his durability, but nothing else.
Here is McCain's military experience:
Both McCain's grandfather and his father were Admirals in the United States Navy. McCain attended the United States Naval Academy and graduated in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying attack aircraft from carriers. During the Vietnam War in 1967, he narrowly escaped death in the Forrestal fire. On his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam later in 1967, he was shot down and badly injured. He then endured five and a half years as a prisoner of war, including periods of torture, before he was released following the Paris Peace Accords in 1973.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Add to that his years in the Senate.
Compare that to Obama's experience, which is probably limited to PlayStation games. No comparison IMO.
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Here is McCain's military experience:
Both McCain's grandfather and his father were Admirals in the United States Navy. McCain attended the United States Naval Academy and graduated in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying attack aircraft from carriers. During the Vietnam War in 1967, he narrowly escaped death in the Forrestal fire. On his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam later in 1967, he was shot down and badly injured. He then endured five and a half years as a prisoner of war, including periods of torture, before he was released following the Paris Peace Accords in 1973.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Add to that his years in the Senate.
Compare that to Obama's experience, which is probably limited to PlayStation games. No comparison IMO.
As I mentioned in my previous post....
getting into the Naval academy because of family connections and then scraping by,
and being a durable guy doesn't mean he has the capability to be CEO of this country.
If he had great leadership skills they would have manifested themselves in the 20 odd years he has spent on the ASC. But they haven't.
At this point, I'm willing to give someone else a shot.
Lincoln didn't come under fire, but he did just fine.....
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Ill have to look into this. But Ive seen the vets are against mccain, because he sold them out for his own skin.....
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As I mentioned in my previous post....
getting into the Naval academy because of family connections and then scraping by,
and being a durable guy doesn't mean he has the capability to be CEO of this country.
If he had great leadership skills they would have manifested themselves in the 20 odd years he has spent on the ASC. But they haven't.
At this point, I'm willing to give someone else a shot.
Lincoln didn't come under fire, but he did just fine.....
As I mentioned in my previous post . . .
McCain's military credentials are outstanding, while Obama has as much experience as Snoopy (who often fantasized about flying duels with the Red Barron). I'm sure the fact that McCain's father and grandfather were both Admirals helped him get into the Naval Academy, but that doesn't change the fact that he went to the Naval Academy. Or that he served in combat.
Really not much of a comparison IMO.
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Ill have to look into this. But Ive seen the vets are against mccain, because he sold them out for his own skin.....
Yup, I know several Vietnam vets who are still pissed at him for selling out so that Clinton could pursue his foreign policy agenda. The Vietnamese deigned to deal with Clinton because he successfully avoided being drafted.
It doesn't matter if somebody does get left behind when it's a question of political expediency for McCain. Hahaha....this is a guy who flirted with becomin a Dem.
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Reagan was the only divorced president in our history. His wife left him for some loser actor.
Now we have another divorcee, McCain. Here's his story of how, unlike Reagan, he did not stand by the vows he made......
Excerpted (by me :D) from an article written by Nicholas Kristof.
In his tiny cubicle in the Russell Senate Office Building, in the lowest foothills of political power, a frustrated Navy officer wrestled with friends over what to do with his life.
It was 1979, and it was becoming clear that he would never make admiral like his father and grandfather. He had always dreamed of doing something great, of imprinting his name on the history books, but at age 42 he found himself with a stuttering military career and no base from which to go into politics.
On top of that, his personal life was a mess: Although he was still living with his wife, he was aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich.
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For a candidate running on character and biography, it is also an awkward time to remember: Mr. McCain abandoned his wife, who had reared their three children while he was in Vietnamese prisons, and he then began his political career with the resources of his new wife's family.
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His wife, Carol, a tall, slim woman who had once been a model, had nearly died in a car wreck in 1969. H. Ross Perot, the businessman and advocate of prisoners of war, had paid for her medical care, but the injuries left her four inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight.
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Mr. McCain has acknowledged running around with women and accepted responsibility for the breakup of the marriage, without going into details.
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Over the next six months, Mr. McCain pursued Miss Hensley aggressively, flying around the country to see her, and he began to push to end his marriage. Friends say that Carol McCain was in shock.
Late that year, the McCains finally separated, and Mrs. McCain accepted a divorce the next February. Mr. McCain promptly married Miss Hensley, his present wife.
.......Mr. McCain's three children in the first marriage were less forgiving .... and none of them were in attendance when he married Cindy. No one blamed Cindy, however, for she seemed shy and it was clear that Mr. McCain had been the pursuer.
Maybe next week we'll do an expose of his involvement with the S&L scandal. This man makes Giuliani seems like a paragon of virtue.
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Hahaha. Male Whores.!!! ;D
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Hahaha. Male Whores.!!! ;D
For President!!!!! ;D
Seriously, this guy has always been willing to sell himself to the highest bidder.
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I don't like Obama. He gives me the skeeves. Go look at the original movie, "1984" made in the 1950's....
Our leaders should not repeat phrases over and over like a leader talking to his cult followers. Too damn many idiots.
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I don't like Obama. He gives me the skeeves. Go look at the original movie, "1984" made in the 1950's....
Our leaders should not repeat phrases over and over like a leader talking to his cult followers. Too damn many idiots.
Ah, dude is repeating things for different crowds. They all do that running for office ::)
However, Bush did it in office all the time!
If I had a dime for everytime I saw the president repeat the same freaking thing over and over and watched it echo through the administration, to Fox News word for word and out through the republican ranks word for word and out to the talk circut word for word and on through talk radio and the pudits word for word. The republicans are masters of "catapulting the propaganda" Check that with 1984 ;)
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You may be missing what I mean.
When Jesse Jackson starts that "I AM SOME-BODY....I AM SOME-BODY...."
I'm talking about the preacher schtick.
Is he running for President or Messiah? Don't like the guy.
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You may be missing what I mean.
When Jesse Jackson starts that "I AM SOME-BODY....I AM SOME-BODY...."
I'm talking about the preacher schtick.
Is he running for President or Messiah? Don't like the guy.
no, I don't get what you mean. I've seen many other candidates who repeat in some fashion several times during a stop, "me me me" If you're looking for a 1984 connection, this ain't it. Fine, you don't like the guy. I'm just saying your reasons and 1984 example is bogus. You want to talk 1984, let's talk about the vast doublespeak/doublethink from this administration. Let's talk about perpetual war/war on terror. Let's talk about the ministry of thruth/dedicated News Channel to the Bush Message--FOX NEWS, the Pentagon actively engaging in a campaign with the media and the internet to change the paradigm of perception. on and on with these guys, If I didn't know better, i would say Bush used 1984 for his playbook.
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no, I don't get what you mean. I've seen many other candidates who repeat in some fashion several times during a stop, "me me me" If you're looking for a 1984 connection, this ain't it. Fine, you don't like the guy. I'm just saying your reasons and 1984 example is bogus. You want to talk 1984, let's talk about the vast doublespeak/doublethink from this administration. Let's talk about perpetual war/war on terror. Let's talk about the ministry of thruth/dedicated News Channel to the Bush Message--FOX NEWS, the Pentagon actively engaging in a campaign with the media and the internet to change the paradigm of perception. on and on with these guys, If I didn't know better, i would say Bush used 1984 for his playbook.
Yeah, I get what you are saying. Except that I'm no fan of Bush either. He has bullied his way through the govt. for 7 years. Telling me how horrible Bush is doesn't convince me about Obama.
What I will say is that Hillary and Guilliani were the front runners all last summer, and I still consider them as the best leaders of the group.
That is, those who will provide sane leadership and keep the country "afloat" through troubling times.
We've seen what happens when idiots get into office - reference Carter & our current president.
I don't care about party affiliations, but the capacity to lead the country and provide leadership on the international stage.
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What I will say is that Hillary and Guilliani were the front runners all last summer, and I still consider them as the best leaders of the group.
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since 1988 this country has been run by a bush or a clinton.
these two families have occupied the W.H. the last 20 yrs.....and they both failed.
enough is enough.......time for real change.
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That's right. Hugo Chavez for President and Neurotoxin for VP!
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All the hot bitches are supporting Obama.
And like most teenage boys, I'll do whatever necessary to get laid. ;D
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Interesting debate.....note to libs.,..OBAMA can't and won't pull out oif Iraq. Once he's in office he'll get his first brief as Commander in Chief and be told to allow the adults to run the war and to shut the hell up. He'll be forced to bring in a strong foreign policy team, by the Democratic party, or he'll end as the 2nd biggest failure next to Carter, we've ever had.
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Obama Cult? Cult of personality maybe. Ron Paul supporters have been tagged the same way. In economic terms, a candidate cannot claim fiscal conservancy and support the war in Iraq.
The Iraq war is bankrupting this country...along with the ruinous Bush tax cuts.
As for ending the war, there never really was a war with Iraq was there? We attacked and occupied the country. The cost of occupying Iraq is putting the US in debt to the Chinese. Not a good tactical move if we want to stay the world's only superpower.
Obama's foreign policy is good but his domestic policy is weak in places. He tries to be conciliatory to the right in this country and that's just leading the lamb to slaughter. His Universal Care plan is not universal and its supposed to work with insurance companies that will supposedly voluntarily surrender profit/market share on a willing basis.
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Interesting debate.....note to libs.,..OBAMA can't and won't pull out oif Iraq. Once he's in office he'll get his first brief as Commander in Chief and be told to allow the adults to run the war and to shut the hell up. He'll be forced to bring in a strong foreign policy team, by the Democratic party, or he'll end as the 2nd biggest failure next to Carter, we've ever had.
I don't know what you think you're saying, but it's obvious that the military's strings have been pulled by the White House over the last two terms and not the other way around. One of the reasons tours have expanded and breaks between them have increased for Army troops, as opposed to other branches of the military, is because the Army doesn't have the option to decline the White House's requests for more troops.
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I know exactly what I'm saying and Obama hasn't a clue when it comes to foreign policy or the military..were not going anywhere