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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: theworm on February 17, 2008, 06:53:15 PM
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Ok, anyone have clarification on GH. Seems like it builds muscle, with no steroid like side effects (acne, baldness, etc) but can anyone answer these questions:
Do you keep most the gains?
What are the long term sides? They teach us in med school that diabetes can occur (truth?)
Can u use it alone for good results? Is the bloated stomach happen all the time? Does your own production shut down after a while?
Anyone with real info? not just speculations.
I read one long term side was cancer, since it is a persistent turned on "growth factor," and long term IGF-1 can lead to colon cancer and what not.
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"us"???
Are you a med school grad asking for "real information"???
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Seems like it builds muscle
It doesn't
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It did wonders for Dave Polumbo!
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Eating high fat diet may lead to a heart attack in many individuals. :) So stop eating fat.
Makes about as much sense as IGF-1 causes colon cancer! :P
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It did wonders for Dave Polumbo!
No joke I saw Palumbo at one of my partners booths and he looked like shit!!! Looking at him made me swear to myself I would never do a cycle ever again!!!
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How big were his feet?
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I wasnt looking at his feet man. I just saw this ugly beast walk right next to me. One of my partners has a rim company they are trying to sell rims to bodybuilders and manufacture rims for pro's. I mean they believe in what they do so I wont knock them. But people who have experience in business know how limited you are when you cater to a niche maket.
He walked right next to me and expected me to move for him. I just ignored him and my buddy introduced me to him. I just gave him a look like "you are by far the ugliest person I have seen all day"!!!
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Ok, anyone have clarification on GH. Seems like it builds muscle, with no steroid like side effects (acne, baldness, etc) but can anyone answer these questions:
Do you keep most the gains?
What are the long term sides? They teach us in med school that diabetes can occur (truth?)
Can u use it alone for good results? Is the bloated stomach happen all the time? Does your own production shut down after a while?
Anyone with real info? not just speculations.
I read one long term side was cancer, since it is a persistent turned on "growth factor," and long term IGF-1 can lead to colon cancer and what not.
are you serious?????!
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"us"???
Are you a med school grad asking for "real information"???
by real info, I wanted info that had some evidence behind it, not just someone's opinion.
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are you serious?????!
yeah i am serious, prick. I want to know if anyone used a GH cycle alone...what where their gains, sides, keepable gain, etc... many people used for years on here, and i wanna know if they developed diabetes or not..... thus, I think it is a valid question.
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yeah i am serious, prick. I want to know if anyone used a GH cycle alone...what where their gains, sides, keepable gain, etc... many people used for years on here, and i wanna know if they developed diabetes or not..... thus, I think it is a valid question.
Oh you have a valid question my friend, the problem is that some people on this board are fucking dumb.
Hope this helps!
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I wasnt looking at his feet man. I just saw this ugly beast walk right next to me. One of my partners has a rim company they are trying to sell rims to bodybuilders and manufacture rims for pro's. I mean they believe in what they do so I wont knock them. But people who have experience in business know how limited you are when you cater to a niche maket.
He walked right next to me and expected me to move for him. I just ignored him and my buddy introduced me to him. I just gave him a look like "you are by far the ugliest person I have seen all day"!!!
Lol....I was asking because in Nasser's interview on Bodybuilding.com he talks about how Polumbo's GH use has caused his feet to grow to an ungodly size (gh makes bones/organs grow) so he says that Dave looks like he's wearing flippers on his feet thats how big they are.
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Oh you have a valid question my friend, the problem is that some people on this board are fucking dumb.
Hope this helps!
i forgot. it does help though, thanks.
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Lol....I was asking because in Nasser's interview on Bodybuilding.com he talks about how Polumbo's GH use has caused his feet to grow to an ungodly size (gh makes bones/organs grow) so he says that Dave looks like he's wearing flippers on his feet thats how big they are.
For the normal person who see's him in person I dont think you can get over how ugly he is from the face. He looks like a Critter/Gemblin/Mutant. Seriously he looks like he went through Chemo and walked to the expo from New York.
No disrespect to anyone who has or lost someone to cancer.
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i'm staying the fuck away from all drugs, I know protein shakes dont do shit, gains as a natural are minimal but if i can sleep at night and look respectable that's all i ask for.
I know palumbo is a extreme case but i have yet to see anyone that looks good on GH, Luke wood looks shit, Stallone looks shit, Scott alexander looks shit etc.
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Ok, anyone have clarification on GH. Seems like it builds muscle, with no steroid like side effects (acne, baldness, etc) but can anyone answer these questions:
Do you keep most the gains?
What are the long term sides? They teach us in med school that diabetes can occur (truth?)
Can u use it alone for good results? Is the bloated stomach happen all the time? Does your own production shut down after a while?
Anyone with real info? not just speculations.
I read one long term side was cancer, since it is a persistent turned on "growth factor," and long term IGF-1 can lead to colon cancer and what not.
growth hormone acts by interacting with a receptor on the cell surface... muscle cells, cells that make up the organs, cancer cells, etc... everything grows, the more you take, the more it grows... that's endocrinology 101... actually that's taught in your second semester of biology, so mr.med school... you should know this.... ::)
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growth hormone acts by interacting with a receptor on the cell surface... muscle cells, cells that make up the organs, cancer cells, etc... everything grows, the more you take, the more it grows... that's endocrinology 101... actually that's taught in your second semester of biology, so mr.med school... you should know this.... ::)
hahaha. dipshit. I know that shit. "cells have receptors.." NO SHIT. "cells make up organs" hahaha. how old are you 8? BTW, hormones such as steroids etc. bind to receptors in the cytoplams NOT the cell surface. good try though, son. also, not "everything" grows. your brain, eyes, etc do not have receptors for GH, thus do not grow, so NOT ALL THINGS GROW. prick.
I wanna know about gains on GH, how keepable they are, and if anyone experienced side effects. they do not teach that in med school, all they teach is the aspects of the hormone, not USE IN BODYBUILDERS!
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There have been individuals on small doses for over 10 years that seem to have suffered little in the way of side effects. If you are training very hard and eating plenty of protein, it will speed your recovery. Large doses, such as Pro bodybuilders take, can lead to side effects. Some pros are starting to show forehead and jaw growth. Dennis Newman, national champion bodybuider, felt that growth hormone helped accelerate his Leukemia, which he has been sucessfully treated for. Basically, the long term effects of large doses over a prolonged period of time are unknown. Also, prolonged usage of even moderate doses will inhibit one's own production to some degree, but can be stimulated by injecting Semorelin Acetate, which is the chemical term for Growth Hormone Releasing hormone. A fairly safe protocol would be to inject 2 to 4 ius of Growth hormone for about 3 months and then do 2 to 4 weeks of Semorelin Acetate. Then you could repeat the cycle. That way you give yourself the synthetic for a while, the bring back your own levels with the GH releasing hormone. This won't get you a Pro level physique, but you'll probably make much better gains and lower your bodyfat than being natural. When I get into my 50's I will probably start some sort of GH regimen, but for now I feel I get pretty good results using Gh releasing Peptides. (Hexarelin, Gh Peptide #6). Most of the "Bro's" will say this is bullshit, but you will have to figure out what your goals are and what your risk tolerance is. I am one of those rare bodybuilders who plans on staying healthy as long as possible. And if you have any pre-existing cancers, it is possible for large doses of GH to accelerate it's formation. If you're just looking for mild gains, lower bodyfat and some anti-aging benefits, stick to small doses.
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There have been individuals on small doses for over 10 years that seem to have suffered little in the way of side effects. If you are training very hard and eating plenty of protein, it will speed your recovery. Large doses, such as Pro bodybuilders take, can lead to side effects. Some pros are starting to show forehead and jaw growth. Dennis Newman, national champion bodybuider, felt that growth hormone helped accelerate his Leukemia, which he has been sucessfully treated for. Basically, the long term effects of large doses over a prolonged period of time are unknown. Also, prolonged usage of even moderate doses will inhibit one's own production to some degree, but can be stimulated by injecting Semorelin Acetate, which is the chemical term for Growth Hormone Releasing hormone. A fairly safe protocol would be to inject 2 to 4 ius of Growth hormone for about 3 months and then do 2 to 4 weeks of Semorelin Acetate. Then you could repeat the cycle. That way you give yourself the synthetic for a while, the bring back your own levels with the GH releasing hormone. This won't get you a Pro level physique, but you'll probably make much better gains and lower your bodyfat than being natural. When I get into my 50's I will probably start some sort of GH regimen, but for now I feel I get pretty good results using Gh releasing Peptides. (Hexarelin, Gh Peptide #6). Most of the "Bro's" will say this is bullshit, but you will have to figure out what your goals are and what your risk tolerance is. I am one of those rare bodybuilders who plans on staying healthy as long as possible. And if you have any pre-existing cancers, it is possible for large doses of GH to accelerate it's formation. If you're just looking for mild gains, lower bodyfat and some anti-aging benefits, stick to small doses.
How much shit do you think Palumbo takes?
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Quote from: NeverTrustABlonde on Today at 07:35:19 PM
growth hormone acts by interacting with a receptor on the cell surface... muscle cells, cells that make up the organs, cancer cells, etc... everything grows, the more you take, the more it grows... that's endocrinology 101... actually that's taught in your second semester of biology, so mr.med school... you should know this....
hahaha. dipshit. I know that shit. "cells have receptors.." NO SHIT. "cells make up organs" hahaha. how old are you 8? BTW, hormones such as steroids etc. bind to receptors in the cytoplams NOT the cell surface. good try though, son. also, not "everything" grows. your brain, eyes, etc do not have receptors for GH, thus do not grow, so NOT ALL THINGS GROW. prick.
I wanna know about gains on GH, how keepable they are, and if anyone experienced side effects. they do not teach that in med school, all they teach is the aspects of the hormone, not USE IN BODYBUILDERS!
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How much shit do you think Palumbo takes?
I would guess he uses 10IU s and up when he's getting ready for a show.
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There have been individuals on small doses for over 10 years that seem to have suffered little in the way of side effects. If you are training very hard and eating plenty of protein, it will speed your recovery. Large doses, such as Pro bodybuilders take, can lead to side effects. Some pros are starting to show forehead and jaw growth. Dennis Newman, national champion bodybuider, felt that growth hormone helped accelerate his Leukemia, which he has been sucessfully treated for. Basically, the long term effects of large doses over a prolonged period of time are unknown. Also, prolonged usage of even moderate doses will inhibit one's own production to some degree, but can be stimulated by injecting Semorelin Acetate, which is the chemical term for Growth Hormone Releasing hormone. A fairly safe protocol would be to inject 2 to 4 ius of Growth hormone for about 3 months and then do 2 to 4 weeks of Semorelin Acetate. Then you could repeat the cycle. That way you give yourself the synthetic for a while, the bring back your own levels with the GH releasing hormone. This won't get you a Pro level physique, but you'll probably make much better gains and lower your bodyfat than being natural. When I get into my 50's I will probably start some sort of GH regimen, but for now I feel I get pretty good results using Gh releasing Peptides. (Hexarelin, Gh Peptide #6). Most of the "Bro's" will say this is bullshit, but you will have to figure out what your goals are and what your risk tolerance is. I am one of those rare bodybuilders who plans on staying healthy as long as possible. And if you have any pre-existing cancers, it is possible for large doses of GH to accelerate it's formation. If you're just looking for mild gains, lower bodyfat and some anti-aging benefits, stick to small doses.
thanks, this does help.
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I know someone personally who used 4 ius a day for 3 months, he gained about 15 pounds of bodyweight, but body composition tests showed he lost about 10 pounds of fat as well. He had to stop because he couldn't afford to keep taking it. He kept most of his size, but he gained a little of the fat back. So I think you can keep a lot of the muscle, but you won't stay as lean.
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Quote from: NeverTrustABlonde on Today at 07:35:19 PM
growth hormone acts by interacting with a receptor on the cell surface... muscle cells, cells that make up the organs, cancer cells, etc... everything grows, the more you take, the more it grows... that's endocrinology 101... actually that's taught in your second semester of biology, so mr.med school... you should know this....
hahaha. dipshit. I know that shit. "cells have receptors.." NO SHIT. "cells make up organs" hahaha. how old are you 8? BTW, hormones such as steroids etc. bind to receptors in the cytoplams NOT the cell surface. good try though, son. also, not "everything" grows. your brain, eyes, etc do not have receptors for GH, thus do not grow, so NOT ALL THINGS GROW. prick.
I wanna know about gains on GH, how keepable they are, and if anyone experienced side effects. they do not teach that in med school, all they teach is the aspects of the hormone, not USE IN BODYBUILDERS!
im actually pretty sure gh binds to receptors on the cell surface, kinda like insulin.... and don't call me a prick... i don't like that
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i think that is pretty damn impressive.
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From what I've read, gh does not cause much muscle gain at all or strength gain... it creates new satellite cells within the muscles, causing a SLIGHT muscle gain and creating an environment where, if combined with proper diet/nutrition/training (and steroids for the pros) you have the potential to put on alot of new muscle in the FUTURE. (although it will take a while for those satellite cells within the muscle to mature into regular muscle fibers) What it DOES do is aid in fat loss, helps speed up the healing process in connective tissue and thicken up skin, so its a great injury-repairing/fat loss drug... I wouldn't look to it for too much muscle or strength gains at all by itself, but if you followed a gh cycle with steroids, then you would have something...
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I know someone personally who used 4 ius a day for 3 months, he gained about 15 pounds of bodyweight, but body composition tests showed he lost about 10 pounds of fat as well. He had to stop because he couldn't afford to keep taking it. He kept most of his size, but he gained a little of the fat back. So I think you can keep a lot of the muscle, but you won't stay as lean.
15 lbs in 3 months seems damn near impossible if he was on gh alone... you sure he wasn't stacking it with any other hormones? Not knocking ya here, I just find it very hard to believe...
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it made my head bigger while i was on it, other than that waste of money,
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also, not "everything" grows. your brain, eyes, etc do not have receptors for GH, thus do not grow, so NOT ALL THINGS GROW. prick.
your right, your prick doesn't grow on HGH ;D
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im actually pretty sure gh binds to receptors on the cell surface, kinda like insulin.... and don't call me a prick... i don't like that
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by real info, I wanted info that had some evidence behind it, not just someone's opinion.
the go look at a medical journal you lazy ass
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ill write here what gh does for you as in practical level of using it for many years,,this is not medical jourmal but it is the direct effect of growth hormone on the individual,,
gh grows you leaner,,it allows you to pack muscle mass while at the same time reduce bodyfat% if used correctly which is either high enough dose or long enough period of time ,,
growth is making new muscle cells while the use of aas will develop them fully with time,,the use of both is needed inorder to create the beasts you see now days on stages and to be honest with you all through 90s and 2000s
growth ,,dose dependent and duration dependent ,,will grow your organsa and create kamalis,,especially when used with insulin at high enough doses and on genetics frames that cant take this abuse and will start creating what you know as palubolizm,,
growthj should be used only when you have your aas as your bible,,growth will nto do anything significant to ones physiqe unless you been to aas for quite some times and fully developed yruoself to a point you need growth to accelerating lean growth when lean growth is very hard to achieve as in 200-220 and over depending on height ofcoutse and genetic structure
growth will result in a lot of water retention mistakenly considered as new size,,it is size but not immidiate muscle size as in tissue,,the muscle size is water very similar to dianabol size,,with the time the cells will tune themselves up via increase in number due to grwoth and then the aas will continue and develop them to their new max size,,
over all gh is the cherrie on the cake that has to be good foundation and lots of aas with long training and enough calories to make a difference in ones phsyqe
i recomend the use and approve the use of ONLY AMERICAN OR EUROPOAN PHARMA GH,,i strictly prohbit any chinease gh simply because in most cases the purity is very bad and it is not recomended for the human body,,,rat postion was found in more than one case in growth from china,,inadditionthe chinease gh due to its mixing with hcg or only being hcg makes one gains tons of water weight that is not recomended due to increase high blood pressure that can be avoided with good american gh,,also the does will not have to be as high for the average bodybuilder if use american gh,,
gh is good thing,,women should keep it at very low doses if competetive ,,i suggedt women to completely avoid it,,guys should make sure that they can do it at the right doese especially if you cant go long time on low doses,,
if you only have 3 month money supply makes sure you can rin 15 units a day inorder to run with the big boys,,remember im talkin competetive high competetive here,,any other lifters can go with les especially if american gh legit from pharma even 3-5 units will do you miricles if you are readyt for the use and a serious bodybuilding no matter if you compete or not what matters if how serious you are and most important is to add it after you been already on aas
aas = bread and butter,,all the rest comes after
always avoid abuse if you dont know owhat youre doing,,aka palumbos greg k etc etc,,,use it from low to high ,,,build it up,,make sure to have a fair judhgment for yoir size not only your weight gain,,,make sure you do it right and make sure AND THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT ,,,MAKE SURE IT IS MADE BY LEGIT PHARMA AS IN LILLY ETC,,
it is highly important for bodybuilding career and development especially now days that the products wil be made by real legit pharmas ,,
thats basically most of what you need to know about gh ,,its hands on and used by everyone in high competetive now days,,you can do with out ,,you will most likley look better,,,but inorder to walk among the big boys gh is a must!,,,
remember 5'10 220 ...6'1 240...all possible with the use of aas only ! but when you see a guy 6 feet walking at 260 270 290 they all been to gh and insulin ALL OF THEM ONE BY ONE,,yes that means if you are 5'9 245lb you been to gh and insulin
there is specific weight and heights that go with specific products i can write it in other thead later on so you can see for yourslef in due time
good luck
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ill write here what gh does for you as in practical level of using it for many years,,this is not medical jourmal but it is the direct effect of growth hormone on the individual,,
gh grows you leaner,,it allows you to pack muscle mass while at the same time reduce bodyfat% if used correctly which is either high enough dose or long enough period of time ,,
growth is making new muscle cells while the use of aas will develop them fully with time,,the use of both is needed inorder to create the beasts you see now days on stages and to be honest with you all through 90s and 2000s
growth ,,dose dependent and duration dependent ,,will grow your organsa and create kamalis,,especially when used with insulin at high enough doses and on genetics frames that cant take this abuse and will start creating what you know as palubolizm,,
growthj should be used only when you have your aas as your bible,,growth will nto do anything significant to ones physiqe unless you been to aas for quite some times and fully developed yruoself to a point you need growth to accelerating lean growth when lean growth is very hard to achieve as in 200-220 and over depending on height ofcoutse and genetic structure
growth will result in a lot of water retention mistakenly considered as new size,,it is size but not immidiate muscle size as in tissue,,the muscle size is water very similar to dianabol size,,with the time the cells will tune themselves up via increase in number due to grwoth and then the aas will continue and develop them to their new max size,,
over all gh is the cherrie on the cake that has to be good foundation and lots of aas with long training and enough calories to make a difference in ones phsyqe
i recomend the use and approve the use of ONLY AMERICAN OR EUROPOAN PHARMA GH,,i strictly prohbit any chinease gh simply because in most cases the purity is very bad and it is not recomended for the human body,,,rat postion was found in more than one case in growth from china,,inadditionthe chinease gh due to its mixing with hcg or only being hcg makes one gains tons of water weight that is not recomended due to increase high blood pressure that can be avoided with good american gh,,also the does will not have to be as high for the average bodybuilder if use american gh,,
gh is good thing,,women should keep it at very low doses if competetive ,,i suggedt women to completely avoid it,,guys should make sure that they can do it at the right doese especially if you cant go long time on low doses,,
if you only have 3 month money supply makes sure you can rin 15 units a day inorder to run with the big boys,,remember im talkin competetive high competetive here,,any other lifters can go with les especially if american gh legit from pharma even 3-5 units will do you miricles if you are readyt for the use and a serious bodybuilding no matter if you compete or not what matters if how serious you are and most important is to add it after you been already on aas
aas = bread and butter,,all the rest comes after
always avoid abuse if you dont know owhat youre doing,,aka palumbos greg k etc etc,,,use it from low to high ,,,build it up,,make sure to have a fair judhgment for yoir size not only your weight gain,,,make sure you do it right and make sure AND THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT ,,,MAKE SURE IT IS MADE BY LEGIT PHARMA AS IN LILLY ETC,,
it is highly important for bodybuilding career and development especially now days that the products wil be made by real legit pharmas ,,
thats basically most of what you need to know about gh ,,its hands on and used by everyone in high competetive now days,,you can do with out ,,you will most likley look better,,,but inorder to walk among the big boys gh is a must!,,,
remember 5'10 220 ...6'1 240...all possible with the use of aas only ! but when you see a guy 6 feet walking at 260 270 290 they all been to gh and insulin ALL OF THEM ONE BY ONE,,yes that means if you are 5'9 245lb you been to gh and insulin
there is specific weight and heights that go with specific products i can write it in other thead later on so you can see for yourslef in due time
good luck
i think you mean aas = meat and potatoes everything els eis a dessert or appetizer
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ttt
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@GH15
At what dosage is it necessary to stack insulin and T3 to GH??
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the go look at a medical journal you lazy ass
seriously, are all people on here this ignorant? They do not publish articles in medical journals regarding DRUGS used by BODYBUILDERS. True they use GH for short kids, etc, but the doses and usage of the modern adult bodybuilder is much different. No articles have ever been writen on drug use in BBs... why would there be?
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ill write here what gh does for you as in practical level of using it for many years,,this is not medical jourmal but it is the direct effect of growth hormone on the individual,,
gh grows you leaner,,it allows you to pack muscle mass while at the same time reduce bodyfat% if used correctly which is either high enough dose or long enough period of time ,,
growth is making new muscle cells while the use of aas will develop them fully with time,,the use of both is needed inorder to create the beasts you see now days on stages and to be honest with you all through 90s and 2000s
growth ,,dose dependent and duration dependent ,,will grow your organsa and create kamalis,,especially when used with insulin at high enough doses and on genetics frames that cant take this abuse and will start creating what you know as palubolizm,,
growthj should be used only when you have your aas as your bible,,growth will nto do anything significant to ones physiqe unless you been to aas for quite some times and fully developed yruoself to a point you need growth to accelerating lean growth when lean growth is very hard to achieve as in 200-220 and over depending on height ofcoutse and genetic structure
growth will result in a lot of water retention mistakenly considered as new size,,it is size but not immidiate muscle size as in tissue,,the muscle size is water very similar to dianabol size,,with the time the cells will tune themselves up via increase in number due to grwoth and then the aas will continue and develop them to their new max size,,
over all gh is the cherrie on the cake that has to be good foundation and lots of aas with long training and enough calories to make a difference in ones phsyqe
i recomend the use and approve the use of ONLY AMERICAN OR EUROPOAN PHARMA GH,,i strictly prohbit any chinease gh simply because in most cases the purity is very bad and it is not recomended for the human body,,,rat postion was found in more than one case in growth from china,,inadditionthe chinease gh due to its mixing with hcg or only being hcg makes one gains tons of water weight that is not recomended due to increase high blood pressure that can be avoided with good american gh,,also the does will not have to be as high for the average bodybuilder if use american gh,,
gh is good thing,,women should keep it at very low doses if competetive ,,i suggedt women to completely avoid it,,guys should make sure that they can do it at the right doese especially if you cant go long time on low doses,,
if you only have 3 month money supply makes sure you can rin 15 units a day inorder to run with the big boys,,remember im talkin competetive high competetive here,,any other lifters can go with les especially if american gh legit from pharma even 3-5 units will do you miricles if you are readyt for the use and a serious bodybuilding no matter if you compete or not what matters if how serious you are and most important is to add it after you been already on aas
aas = bread and butter,,all the rest comes after
always avoid abuse if you dont know owhat youre doing,,aka palumbos greg k etc etc,,,use it from low to high ,,,build it up,,make sure to have a fair judhgment for yoir size not only your weight gain,,,make sure you do it right and make sure AND THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT ,,,MAKE SURE IT IS MADE BY LEGIT PHARMA AS IN LILLY ETC,,
it is highly important for bodybuilding career and development especially now days that the products wil be made by real legit pharmas ,,
thats basically most of what you need to know about gh ,,its hands on and used by everyone in high competetive now days,,you can do with out ,,you will most likley look better,,,but inorder to walk among the big boys gh is a must!,,,
remember 5'10 220 ...6'1 240...all possible with the use of aas only ! but when you see a guy 6 feet walking at 260 270 290 they all been to gh and insulin ALL OF THEM ONE BY ONE,,yes that means if you are 5'9 245lb you been to gh and insulin
there is specific weight and heights that go with specific products i can write it in other thead later on so you can see for yourslef in due time
good luck
thank you GH15.
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TTT
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Assuming we're not talking about a pro bodybuilder or wannabe, just a normal individual who wants to add a little muscle, AAS would be my choice, not GH. Better results, fewer potential health concerns (assuming reasonable doses), more cost effective.
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I wasnt looking at his feet man. I just saw this ugly beast walk right next to me. One of my partners has a rim company they are trying to sell rims to bodybuilders and manufacture rims for pro's. I mean they believe in what they do so I wont knock them. But people who have experience in business know how limited you are when you cater to a niche maket.
He walked right next to me and expected me to move for him. I just ignored him and my buddy introduced me to him. I just gave him a look like "you are by far the ugliest person I have seen all day"!!!
i know this is off topic, but why is it that America has no standard for rims (Wheel) quality like Germany, Italy and Japan? That's why all these fly by night rim companies are formed in the US---the rims are poor quality.
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i know this is off topic, but why is it that America has no standard for rims (Wheel) quality like Germany, Italy and Japan? That's why all these fly by night rim companies are formed in the US---the rims are poor quality.
I don't understand the whole deal with "rims" anyway. If the car isn't the type of car that came with larger or more "flashy" wheels, it's probably going to look ridiculous with your typical ostentatious over-the-top aftermarket rims.
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Facts:
I saw 10-15ius/day mentioned. Anyone using 10-15ius/day is absolutely crazy and probably does not care about their health. Severe water retention, insulin resistance, bone growth and dangerous multi-organ growth including heart smooth muscle. Very dangerous. Please do not take this or anything close to this. Be careful, the internet is not a good source of real medical information. Lots of guys post experiences and without regard to saftey or reasonable risks.
My strong opinion is that GH should be used only for aging adults in replacement (they are the ones that really need it) or higher dosages in conjunction with a physician to heal connective tissue. GH has not been shown in any study to cause cancer but there is a reasonable risk that GH will speed up the growth of an existing tumor so an individual must be screened before use.
In reality, GH causes limited muscle growth and its probably not worth the $ if that is the main objective. The primary effects are repair and recovery of tissue and reduction of fat, particularly abdominal fat. Both take a bad turn as we age. These benefits are seen with very mild dosages, where the side effects are minimal. GH can also have a positive effect on mood (there are GH receptors in the brain) and tissue function in individuals that are deficient and receive replacement. The small increase in bone density is also a nice plus for aging individuals.
Most of the side effects to GH is related to water retention and thus controlled with appropirate doses (ie...joint aches, paresthesias, dependend swelling in hands and lower legs). For the med student, there is a small increase in blood glucose but often this is transient. Most of the time it is controlled with diet and exercises. If a person is also on test replacement, that counteracts most of these cases as testosterone is an insulin sensitizer. For those that have an unacceptible increase in blood sugar, or already have insulin resistance, they should not use the medicine. Very large dosages of GH (6ius or more) have not been studied in adults. We simply don't know what it will do. For someone who talked about women, they actually need slightly more than men for the same effect. I love the boards but there is a lot of misinformation out there. Health is first guys. Save the GH fight until your older so its there for when you really can benefit from it.
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Save the GH fight until your older so its there for when you really can benefit from it.
What average age for a male would you class as being a good age for starting use?
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Facts:
I saw 10-15ius/day mentioned. Anyone using 10-15ius/day is absolutely crazy and probably does not care about their health. Severe water retention, insulin resistance, bone growth and dangerous multi-organ growth including heart smooth muscle. Very dangerous. Please do not take this or anything close to this. Be careful, the internet is not a good source of real medical information. Lots of guys post experiences and without regard to saftey or reasonable risks.
My strong opinion is that GH should be used only for aging adults in replacement (they are the ones that really need it) or higher dosages in conjunction with a physician to heal connective tissue. GH has not been shown in any study to cause cancer but there is a reasonable risk that GH will speed up the growth of an existing tumor so an individual must be screened before use.
In reality, GH causes limited muscle growth and its probably not worth the $ if that is the main objective. The primary effects are repair and recovery of tissue and reduction of fat, particularly abdominal fat. Both take a bad turn as we age. These benefits are seen with very mild dosages, where the side effects are minimal. GH can also have a positive effect on mood (there are GH receptors in the brain) and tissue function in individuals that are deficient and receive replacement. The small increase in bone density is also a nice plus for aging individuals.
Most of the side effects to GH is related to water retention and thus controlled with appropirate doses (ie...joint aches, paresthesias, dependend swelling in hands and lower legs). For the med student, there is a small increase in blood glucose but often this is transient. Most of the time it is controlled with diet and exercises. If a person is also on test replacement, that counteracts most of these cases as testosterone is an insulin sensitizer. For those that have an unacceptible increase in blood sugar, or already have insulin resistance, they should not use the medicine. Very large dosages of GH (6ius or more) have not been studied in adults. We simply don't know what it will do. For someone who talked about women, they actually need slightly more than men for the same effect. I love the boards but there is a lot of misinformation out there. Health is first guys. Save the GH fight until your older so its there for when you really can benefit from it.
you had me interested in understanding your points until seeing the women need use more sentence,,thats when you lost your argument with me,,WOMEN SHOULD NEVER EVER USE MORE THAN MEN,,WOMEN SHOULD TRY TO AVOID GH PERIOD UNLESS COMPETETIVE BODYBUILDERS OR INJURED AND NEED GH FOR HEALING WHICH IS RARE,,NOTHING GOOD COME FROM WOMEN ON GH ,,
now about the doses,,10-15 units is nothing ,,many competitors used/use 20-30units a day,,infact one in particular that come to my mind is a known natural competitor from that used 26 units of gh daily for 4 months straight while in south america,,brazil to be exact
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GH15,
I read that your bones don't fully fused until your 25. So would a "side effect" be growing taller for these people?
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Gh 15, we are looking at this compound from very different perspectives. I have never used GH for BBing purposes. I look at this from a medical perspective.
Its true, with regard to replacement, women often need a slightly higher dose than men. I know this from literature and lectures, not BBing. I think it has something to do with estrogen blunting the effect on GH, not certain though. The effects at high dosages have not been studied in either men or women.
I know that GH will make the heart grow...that alone should discourage usage in the amounts you site. The heart can grow some and be functional (exercise induced hypertrophy) but when the heart muscle grows too much, it will constrict flow, decrease filling volume from less chamber size, and also cause valvular problems.
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um,,i can only tell you from hands on experiences with gh ,,what medical books say is good for med books,,but from seeing hwo the gh works on diff individuals ...to me it did nothing to height ,,then a national competitor in usa ,,friend of mine,,went from 6 feet to 6'1 after heavy gh use for a year ,,another professional i sa infront of my eyes got his wrist biger and it wasnt water retention,,some change facial structure,,,but it all takes heavy doses not what you hear on board ,,not 2 or 4 units,,we are talking heavy doses at the 15+ units a day on a daily basis for prolonged period of times ,,usually years
so if you ask me its individual body response same as aas,,some guys will walk around after the use of growth and or aas with a complete disformed jawline,,lower jaw line,,look at plats,,look at whats his name the canadian frank,,look at jason lower jaw,,then you got ron and dorian that abused the shit out of growth and had their share of insulin :D and their jaw is like they never touched anything ,,then you got kamali that no matter how much he did nothing changed in his jaw which is worrying too since everything else changed ;)
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John McCain is going down. We Americans won't be told what to do by European drug dealerz!
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Gh 15, we are looking at this compound from very different perspectives. I have never used GH for BBing purposes. I look at this from a medical perspective.
Its true, with regard to replacement, women often need a slightly higher dose than men. I know this from literature and lectures, not BBing. I think it has something to do with estrogen blunting the effect on GH, not certain though. The effects at high dosages have not been studied in either men or women.
I know that GH will make the heart grow...that alone should discourage usage in the amounts you site. The heart can grow some and be functional (exercise induced hypertrophy) but when the heart muscle grows too much, it will constrict flow, decrease filling volume from less chamber size, and also cause valvular problems.
You're making the mistaken assumption that GH15 would have any interest in health considerations. The logic with most pro bodybuilders is, "Well, Ronnie took that much and he seems to be OK". The fact remains that using Gh in massive dosages is nothing more than a Chemistry experiment with unknown long term effects. Logic would dictate that huge doses (15 to 30 IUs) and up would have a negative effect on the human body, but only time will tell. Just glad I'm not an IFBB Pro.
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John McCain is going down. We Americans won't be told what to do by European drug dealerz!
i have to do it otherwize its not getbig and i been here long enough so here it is
hi barak :)
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i have to do it otherwize its not getbig and i been here long enough so here it is
hi barak :)
that was pretty funny. ;D
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growth hormone acts by interacting with a receptor on the cell surface... muscle cells, cells that make up the organs, cancer cells, etc... everything grows, the more you take, the more it grows... that's endocrinology 101... actually that's taught in your second semester of biology, so mr.med school... you should know this.... ::)
The worm wont recover from that one..... ::)
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If I had a friend/brother who wanted to start using steroids and asked for my advice, I'd have to tell him to hold off for a few years as it seems potent side-effect free anti-myostatin drugs are on the way.
However I'd like to hear TheChemistV2's opinion on forgoing GH therapy altogether in favour of simply taking the GH stimulating hormone on its own? That would certainly prevent the problem of desensitisation as naturally produced GH/somatotropin is secreted cyclically, not the receptor numbing drip-drip effect of exogenous GH.
Similarly, I often advise those who ask my advice (there are some) that if they absolutely must use bodybuilding drugs, then an anti-estrogen (Nolvadex) is probably a better first stack than the mega-dose test cycles these newbies insist on.
If you can't manage to grow with suppressed estrogen then you don't know how to build muscle in the first place so you have no place using steroids at all... most of them gain a few pounds on the Nolvadex, lose it when they come off and then think better of using androgens at all. Losing hard fought muscle leaves an embittering aftertaste.
Any thoughts TheChemistV2?
The Luke
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The worm wont recover from that one..... ::)
3 days now, and still have not recovered.... I am ruined!!!...
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3 days now, and still have not recovered.... I am ruined!!!...
take some growth..... ;D
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If I had a friend/brother who wanted to start using steroids and asked for my advice, I'd have to tell him to hold off for a few years as it seems potent side-effect free anti-myostatin drugs are on the way.
However I'd like to hear TheChemistV2's opinion on forgoing GH therapy altogether in favour of simply taking the GH stimulating hormone on its own? That would certainly prevent the problem of desensitisation as naturally produced GH/somatotropin is secreted cyclically, not the receptor numbing drip-drip effect of exogenous GH.
Similarly, I often advise those who ask my advice (there are some) that if they absolutely must use bodybuilding drugs, then an anti-estrogen (Nolvadex) is probably a better first stack than the mega-dose test cycles these newbies insist on.
If you can't manage to grow with suppressed estrogen then you don't know how to build muscle in the first place so you have no place using steroids at all... most of them gain a few pounds on the Nolvadex, lose it when they come off and then think better of using androgens at all. Losing hard fought muscle leaves an embittering aftertaste.
Any thoughts TheChemistV2?
The Luke
Hi Luke. We all have different goals. Mine is to keep improving and stay healthy. I am about 5'9", 45 years old, weigh 195 and I'm lean enough to show good abs and vascularity. I have not taken any form of anabolic steroids in over 15 years. I competed in the 80's and early 90's and did a few light cycles of Primobolin and anavar, two fairly safe drugs, and suffered no ill effects. These days I'm not interested in taking anything that will shut down my own hormonal output, because like you mentioned, the gains are temporary. I have been able to make progress training hard, eating a great diet, and taking substances that increase my own levels of GH, Test, and lower estrogen levels which give me higher natural hormonal levels than a guy in his early 20's. If you research, you will find that there are GH releasing peptides for sale (for legality reasons as research chemicals). They have studies that back up their efficacy. Also, as you noted, anti-estrogens will increase test levels. The trick is to switch to different ones ever 3 to 4 weeks..maybe novaldex for a while..then 6-oxo..formadrene..maybe arimidex. That way they keep working..I've found the substance Eurycoma gives me a good test boost as well. I may eventually try the Semorelin Acetete( Gh releasing hormone injectable). The key is boosting your own levels, not suppressing them. Again..this won't make you an IFBB pro, but you can gain better than being natural.
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im actually pretty sure gh binds to receptors on the cell surface, kinda like insulin.... and don't call me a prick... i don't like that
enough about GH,when we gonna hook-up?
bench
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If I had a friend/brother who wanted to start using steroids and asked for my advice, I'd have to tell him to hold off for a few years as it seems potent side-effect free anti-myostatin drugs are on the way.
However I'd like to hear TheChemistV2's opinion on forgoing GH therapy altogether in favour of simply taking the GH stimulating hormone on its own? That would certainly prevent the problem of desensitisation as naturally produced GH/somatotropin is secreted cyclically, not the receptor numbing drip-drip effect of exogenous GH.
Similarly, I often advise those who ask my advice (there are some) that if they absolutely must use bodybuilding drugs, then an anti-estrogen (Nolvadex) is probably a better first stack than the mega-dose test cycles these newbies insist on.
If you can't manage to grow with suppressed estrogen then you don't know how to build muscle in the first place so you have no place using steroids at all... most of them gain a few pounds on the Nolvadex, lose it when they come off and then think better of using androgens at all. Losing hard fought muscle leaves an embittering aftertaste.
Any thoughts TheChemistV2?
The Luke
Not Chemistv2....but with due respect, you show your ass with respect to the enhancers used by the majority
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enough about GH,when we gonna hook-up?
bench
just trying to stick to the topic ;D
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Its true, with regard to replacement, women often need a slightly higher dose than men. I know this from literature and lectures, not BBing. I think it has something to do with estrogen blunting the effect on GH, not certain though. The effects at high dosages have not been studied in either men or women.
I don't know anything about females using GH for performance enhancement but what a lot of people don't know is that females naturally already have 2-3 times higher GH levels compared to males.
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As far as high dosages of GH, I admit, I have no experience...personally or with others. GH15, your experiences are unique and interesting because of what you have personally observed (for the record I still think its dangerous based on what I know).
Chemist...sermorelin (Geref) will increase pituitary production of GH, as it is a GH releasing hormone analog, but the increases in IGF-1 are not dramatic. We're talking increases of 20-60% in most cases. Definitely not something a BBer would consider for any significant effect. Sermorelin also works better if the pituitary is functioning well (ie...use in and adult deficient 70y.o is not very effective).
There is a website with some info www.sermorelin.com. I have read more in depth articles elsewhere.
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As far as high dosages of GH, I admit, I have no experience...personally or with others. GH15, your experiences are unique and interesting because of what you have personally observed (for the record I still think its dangerous based on what I know).
Chemist...sermorelin (Geref) will increase pituitary production of GH, as it is a GH releasing hormone analog, but the increases in IGF-1 are not dramatic. We're talking increases of 20-60% in most cases. Definitely not something a BBer would consider for any significant effect. Sermorelin also works better if the pituitary is functioning well (ie...use in and adult deficient 70y.o is not very effective).
There is a website with some info www.sermorelin.com. I have read more in depth articles elsewhere.
i agree with you, but I am someone who responds very well to even small increases in hormone levels. Possibly because I increased my receptors from past anabolic use and have used GH releasing peptides (Hexarelin, GHpeptide 2, Ghpeptide 6, Gh Fragment). I may never try Semorelin, although I think it would be most effective after a long Growth Hormone Cycle, kind of like a PCT for pituitary restoration.
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just trying to stick to the topic ;D
oh, are you a girl? then sorry for calling you a prick.
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oh, are you a girl? then sorry for calling you a prick.
See, I told you the worm would not recover......hey worm, how many guys do you know with a handle like NeverTrustABlonde ::)
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quite a few
what if he was dumped by a blonde???????????????????
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oh, are you a girl? then sorry for calling you a prick.
aren't apologies against getbig rules? hope it doesn't become a a trend....
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quite a few
what if he was dumped by a blonde???????????????????
If you think some dude is going to name his handle after getting dumped by a blond...well...you need more help than I can give you here.
aren't apologies against getbig rules? hope it doesn't become a a trend....
I think the chances of apologies becoming a 'trend" are slim and zero.....
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If you think some dude is going to name his handle after getting dumped by a blond...well...you need more help than I can give you here.
I dont know, blonds are pretty shady.... ;)
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Try jintropin. If you have a friend in china, you can get it pretty quick + legit.