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Title: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 04:21:14 AM
Trying to get in front of this story fast.

I'm sure it's just a big misunderstanding. 
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: FullROM on February 21, 2008, 04:29:28 AM
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Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: bigdumbbell on February 21, 2008, 04:45:57 AM
Trying to get in front of this story fast.

I'm sure it's just a big misunderstanding. 

the story was posted on the new york times.com last night at 10 pm   to me, it's no big deal and certainly no comparison to president clinton lying to a grand jury in the paula jones case
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: Red Hook on February 21, 2008, 04:58:37 AM
a married man gets a little side action and the media goes crazy  ::)

I hate the direction that America is going in, the media expects men to forget their and nature.

I read some shit that when a French lead Miteron died his wife and mistress were at the funeral.

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/20/us/20mccain-190a.jpg)
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 05:24:40 AM
on one hand, it's his business what he does in his personal life.

Problem here is that the allegations are that this hottie lobbyist influenced his voting record and gave a lot of $ to him in areas where his team voted in her favor.

That's corruption, if it's true.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: Red Hook on February 21, 2008, 05:27:24 AM
on one hand, it's his business what he does in his personal life.

Problem here is that the allegations are that this hottie lobbyist influenced his voting record and gave a lot of $ to him in areas where his team voted in her favor.

That's corruption, if it's true.

and you thought that the blow job was free?  ::)

whether implicit or explicit these women dating politicians for some kind of gain
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 1stkeepitreal on February 21, 2008, 05:46:19 AM
regardless of party affiliation media is always looking for the skeltons in the closet...we all have them surely Obama has got some its just a matter of time to as when they will be found.

In the end it is very important that our leaders be truthful in all areas of thier lives regardless of how painful it might be for them or thier family to tell the truth.....

but then again we are all human so - shit happens and staus quo will rule
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 05:57:21 AM
I agree- they'll find dirt on obama, I'm sure.  hilary outed him for a shady Chicago business deal, and he admitted his own coke use.  Also, Camp Clinton accused obama of drug DEALING because he shared coke with his friends.

And I don't care if McCain dated whoever.  His business.

The problem here exists *IF* he broke laws.  Supposedly, McCain (chairman of the commerce committee) used his power to influence  laws regarding telecommunications companies.  She was a lobbyist for them, she spent a lot of time with mcCain on pvt flights, etc, prompting his team in 2000 to order her to stay away, as they were in risky waters.  *IF* her clients received favorable legislation, that is illegal.  It's called corruption, and is very serious.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: bigdumbbell on February 21, 2008, 06:02:17 AM
I agree- they'll find dirt on obama, I'm sure.  hilary outed him for a shady Chicago business deal, and he admitted his own coke use.  Also, Camp Clinton accused obama of drug DEALING because he shared coke with his friends.

And I don't care if McCain dated whoever.  His business.

The problem here exists *IF* he broke laws.  Supposedly, McCain (chairman of the commerce committee) used his power to influence  laws regarding telecommunications companies.  She was a lobbyist for them, she spent a lot of time with mcCain on pvt flights, etc, prompting his team in 2000 to order her to stay away, as they were in risky waters.  *IF* her clients received favorable legislation, that is illegal.  It's called corruption, and is very serious.
the only new element to all this is: finally YOU know about it.  this is 7 year old news. 
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: BayGBM on February 21, 2008, 06:04:52 AM
Corruption in Washington?  Oye!  This would be a story if there wasn't any corruption.  ::)

Where there is smoke . . . there is fire.  :-[
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Benny B on February 21, 2008, 06:05:44 AM
Grandpa is fucked (literally and figuratively).
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 06:46:11 AM
Seems Mike huckabee campaign may have known about it.

This gives him a really good reason to stay in the race when everybody wanted him to pull out.

A lot of conservative voters are going to choose Huckabee in the HUGE march 4 primary date - big states like Ohio, Rhode Island, Vermont, Texas - Huckabee might have just won the V.P. nod - he won't have enough delegates to win the nomination, but he'll surely have enough to demand the VP slot and the runner status in 2012 should Mccain win in November.



Well played, huckleberry.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Deicide on February 21, 2008, 06:50:11 AM
Seems Mike huckabee campaign may have known about it.

This gives him a really good reason to stay in the race when everybody wanted him to pull out.

A lot of conservative voters are going to choose Huckabee in the HUGE march 4 primary date - big states like Ohio, Rhode Island, Vermont, Texas - Huckabee might have just won the V.P. nod - he won't have enough delegates to win the nomination, but he'll surely have enough to demand the VP slot and the runner status in 2012 should Mccain win in November.



Well played, huckleberry.

He's a biblethumping nutcase who believes in talking snakes and magic apples....

World...look, look THAT is America!
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 06:55:02 AM
Well, you have 2 scenarios here.

Either several former high-level McCain campain employees all committed career suicide by lying...

Or mcCain is lying.

One of these parties is telling an outright lie here.  Initial empirical evidence (the letters that mccain did write on her behalf, as well as travel logs showing her by his side on private flights) support the former employees' story. 

The NY Times has a huge responsibility to show their evidence now.  If they deliver evidence, then mcCain just lied to the nation, at which point... wow... this could be a HUGE story which could force him to pull out of campaign and turn the nomination into chaos.  If they don't, then the NY Times looks terrible here.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 07:06:30 AM
Wow... multiple sources all claim there was a romantic affair.

McCain CHALLENGED them to come forward.

Either it's former staffers with an axe to grind, or he is lying to save his political career.

If 2 or 3 or 4 guys all come forward tomorrow with details and something resembling evidence, then McCain will almost certainly have to pull out of the nomination process.  Huck and Romney (and Ron Paul?) will scramble to win his delegates.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: HowieW on February 21, 2008, 07:10:26 AM
a married man gets a little side action and the media goes crazy  ::)

I hate the direction that America is going in, the media expects men to forget their and nature.

I read some shit that when a French lead Miteron died his wife and mistress were at the funeral.

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/02/20/us/20mccain-190a.jpg)

My opinion and answer is the same as when Clinton got a BJ......" So what!"
Get this crap out of the political news UNLESS it relates to bribes or national security.
How come when some guy gets a ton of cash from a PAC or lobbyist, nobody even blinks.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 07:18:29 AM
My opinion and answer is the same as when Clinton got a BJ......" So what!"
Get this crap out of the political news UNLESS it relates to bribes or national security.
How come when some guy gets a ton of cash from a PAC or lobbyist, nobody even blinks.

It's "so what" if he just did his thing.

It's more than that if he broke the law- used his influence in exchange for sex.

You recognize that, right howie?  You can't allow those with big power to arbitrarily use it for their own personal gain.  Plus, the man wants to be the most powerful man on earth.  he's very qualified for the job - but - if he indeed got caught for this once, it probably happened more than that, and it certainly disqualifies him from a job with much more ability to abuse.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: LATS on February 21, 2008, 08:19:13 AM
 what people have to realize is thatthe story does not have "legs".. ny times has no sources for the story.. it is heresay.. mccain is now sueing the times.. unless they can list sources or any collaberating eveidence, they are in a world of hurt..
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 08:38:12 AM
It seems obvious that the NY times is slandering McCain.  They had this story many months ago when he was not the lock for the nomination.  This a purely political move to harm his credibility.  If a major newspaper prints a story like this they better be able to present detailed evidence and be certain.

So far, its a couple annonymous people who worked for a McCain large committee.  Who knows what their agenda is.  The fact is we have no idea what happened.  It could have easily been that he spent more time with her than others.  We have no proof there was a relationship of any kind and no proof their relationship affected his judgement.  The person that warned her may have been watching for this sort of accusation based on appearance, whether or not there is any truth to it.

If the NY Times doesn't present credible specific evidence, they should be scrutinized heavily and sued.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 08:46:35 AM
NY times got burned badly on the judith miller and jayson blair stories, IIRC.

Either they screwed the pooch badly here... or they just haven't shared their evidence yet, giving McCain a chance to lie and make himself look worse.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: emn1964 on February 21, 2008, 08:49:16 AM
what people have to realize is thatthe story does not have "legs".. ny times has no sources for the story.. it is heresay.. mccain is now sueing the times.. unless they can list sources or any collaberating eveidence, they are in a world of hurt..

any lawsuit will not go far.  mccain is a public figure and proving defamation of a public figure is near impossible given the Supreme Court's standards.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: spach23 on February 21, 2008, 08:50:03 AM
Is it bad that I would love to nail McCains wife?     ;D
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 08:57:04 AM
IMO, newspapers like the NY times have a responsibility to investigate a story before publishing it, especially as it could significantly affect a presidential candidate and respected senator.  We need responsible journalism, not hearsay and speculation aimed with political motivation

The public should be demanding their evidence.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 09:00:05 AM


Hahahaha.  McCain will come and go, but the New York Times has been around forever.  Guess who's going to win this battle. Just read the article. They were very careful in their assertions. I hope McCain does go after the time and open up his personal Pandora's box.  ;D
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 09:04:26 AM
calmus, I know you are an Obama fan but this transends the election.  (I'm not a huge McCain supporter just find this to be irresponsible and something that has come to be almost acceptible by papers).

Do you not believe the NY times has a responsibility to professional journalism and make sure the story has credibility and can be verified?  Do you believe they should come forward with details of their information?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 09:08:10 AM
IMO, newspapers like the NY times have a responsibility to investigate a story before publishing it, especially as it could significantly affect a presidential candidate and respected senator.  We need responsible journalism, not hearsay and speculation aimed with political motivation

The public should be demanding their evidence.

i agree completely.

the media (cnn, msnbc) are demanding the evidence as we speak, as is McCain.

they claim to have multiple sources, which I'm sure they're pressuring to come fwd at this moment.

It's going to be the biggest story of the year so far.  I can't see them deliberately trying to destroy mccain - either they wanted the story so bad they rushed it, or they do have the sources, and mccain is just lying.

remember, with his trouble with religious conservatives, he'd be in some serious troble even if he did admit it.  So we had to expect a denial, true or not.

The truth will come out here, without a doubt.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Top Dog on February 21, 2008, 09:09:01 AM
calmus, I know you are an Obama fan but this transends the election.  (I'm not a huge McCain supporter just find this to be irresponsible and something that has come to be almost acceptible by papers).

Do you not believe the NY times has a responsibility to professional journalism and make sure the story has credibility and can be verified?  Do you believe they should come forward with details of their information?
No he doesn't because he's a blind Barack Hussein Obama lemming who hopes this has legs. The NY Times has a  few black eyes when reporting such dirt in the past.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 09:09:23 AM


Do you not believe the NY times has a responsibility to professional journalism and make sure the story has credibility and can be verified?  Do you believe they should come forward with details of their information?

The NYTimes has dropped the ball a couple of times (see Jayson Blair), but I guarantee they know (better than McCain) the stakes here, and they've covered their ass.  Read the article, it's quite moderate.

All it suggests is that different people independently corroborated
-suspicions of an inappropriate relationship
-behavior that can be interpreted as doing favors.

I hope John brings his heavy-hitting lawyer buddies like he did when Cindy was about to get busted, because then the dirt will really be exposed.

With Cindy he could spin it, but this will be one time too many he's tried to "spin" shit.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 09:10:25 AM
I think they're setting the trap of the year here.  I'm cynical, and of course I don't trust the media.  

Instead of putting it all out there, they could be saying just enough to get him to stake his reputation on a denial.  Then, Day 2, they release the transcripts, photos, etc.

Entirely possible.  Also possible they have nothing but rumors.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 09:13:56 AM


Entirely possible.  Also possible they have nothing but rumors.

They have people who went on record. 

Just remember the Valerie Plame story.  The NYTimes writer did time because she wouldnt expose her sources, but in the end, her version of the story was borne out.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: emn1964 on February 21, 2008, 09:22:06 AM
I think they're setting the trap of the year here.  I'm cynical, and of course I don't trust the media.  

Instead of putting it all out there, they could be saying just enough to get him to stake his reputation on a denial.  Then, Day 2, they release the transcripts, photos, etc.

Entirely possible.  Also possible they have nothing but rumors.

Huh? Are you saying that the media doesn't just objectively report facts?  That's non sense Richard Jewel...I mean 240
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 09:28:50 AM
I'm saying the media plays by its own business interests, as well as longterm us interests.

They have competing tangents, as we see today as MSNBC calls out NYT, demanding evidence.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 09:31:58 AM
Huh? Are you saying that the media doesn't just objectively report facts?  That's non sense Richard Jewel...I mean 240

Richard jewel was a nobody. let's get real here. 

This is the Rep pres candidate we're talking about.  All asses are covered. McCain spent the last month trying to intimidate the Fourth Estate, and he failed.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: emn1964 on February 21, 2008, 09:38:07 AM
Richard jewel was a nobody. let's get real here. 

This is the Rep pres candidate we're talking about.  All asses are covered. McCain spent the last month trying to intimidate the Fourth Estate, and he failed.

The principle is the same, regardless if the object is a no body or a some body.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 09:39:48 AM
The principle is the same, regardless if the object is a no body or a some body.

In an ideal world, it would be so.

But when the stakes are so high, you have to be much more careful. 
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: The Coach on February 21, 2008, 09:51:34 AM
This story is just the left being the typical left, they know "Obamanation" has no experiance and really did nothing as a senator and people like him ONLY because of his charisma and speaking abilities (even though he says nothing in his speechs) and the same thing could be said of Billary. No experiance is no experiance, theses people only baffle they're own people with the crap the spew. That being said the NY Times had no other choice but to run a smear campaign aginst McCain (who they endorsed). Did you really expect an ethical campaign by the left?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: tom joad on February 21, 2008, 09:58:36 AM
This story is just the left being the typical left, they know "Obamanation" has no experiance and really did nothing as a senator and people like him ONLY because of his charisma and speaking abilities (even though he says nothing in his speechs) and the same thing could be said of Billary. No experiance is no experiance, theses people only baffle they're own people with the crap the spew. That being said the NY Times had no other choice but to run a smear campaign aginst McCain (who they endorsed). Did you really expect an ethical campaign by the left?

are you saying that McCain has a lot of experiance and that Obama's speechs are empty?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: The Coach on February 21, 2008, 10:04:37 AM
are you saying that McCain has a lot of experiance and that Obama's speechs are empty?

Yes.

Have you ever heard Charle Browns teacher? "Wa wawawa wa wawawa"
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 10:24:17 AM
"All it suggests is that different people independently corroborated
-suspicions of an inappropriate relationship
-behavior that can be interpreted as doing favors."
--------------------------------

If thats the story and what they have, then its shouldn't meet standards to publish.  Its not responsible to publish someone's 'suspicion' and 'interpretation' without any hard evidence, which can harm their reputation. 

If they are holding back with more evidence, then lets see it.  I agree 240, maybe they are holding back for the 1-2 punch, but now's the time to bring it forward or expect shame for irresponsible reporting with political motivation.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 10:35:38 AM
If they're not holding back, then they did a horrible smear job and should suffer some serious public heat for it.

If they are holding back, they just set the trap of the year.  Brutal.

So far, the mcCain team is doing a great job of looking innocent.  NYTimes is feeling heat.  If I had to bet, I'd put money on McCain to emerge relatively unscathed as of right now, although he does look bad for the mar 4 primaries.  huck will gain a few votes, no doubt, as some conservatives will believe an eventual mccain dropout will give it all to huck.


I wonder if huck knew at christmas when the NYTimes did.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Tre on February 21, 2008, 10:56:27 AM
It seems obvious that the NY times is slandering McCain.  They had this story many months ago when he was not the lock for the nomination.  This a purely political move to harm his credibility.  If a major newspaper prints a story like this they better be able to present detailed evidence and be certain.

So far, its a couple annonymous people who worked for a McCain large committee.  Who knows what their agenda is.  The fact is we have no idea what happened.  It could have easily been that he spent more time with her than others.  We have no proof there was a relationship of any kind and no proof their relationship affected his judgement.  The person that warned her may have been watching for this sort of accusation based on appearance, whether or not there is any truth to it.

If the NY Times doesn't present credible specific evidence, they should be scrutinized heavily and sued.

They held the story so that Romney would not get a huge boost.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
They held the story so that Romney would not get a huge boost.

very possible.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Tre on February 21, 2008, 10:59:22 AM
No experiance is no experiance...

Why should we support someone with experience???
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 11:04:24 AM
This story is just the left being the typical left, they know "Obamanation" has no experiance and really did nothing as a senator and people like him ONLY because of his charisma and speaking abilities (even though he says nothing in his speechs) and the same thing could be said of Billary. No experiance is no experiance, theses people only baffle they're own people with the crap the spew. That being said the NY Times had no other choice but to run a smear campaign aginst McCain (who they endorsed). Did you really expect an ethical campaign by the left?

Obama will run as Prez.  hilary will get the VP nod.  Delegates are too close.

Obama will shake hands, make friends, and be a very well-spoken and dignified representative of our nation.

Hilary will spend her days in the Oval office "presidentin'", implementing her husband's 1992-1994 economic policy, and will use his and her experience to ensure Obama doesn't do anything stupid.


They'll be a good team actually - and this comes from a lifelong repub voter.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 11:09:38 AM
Tre, that could be.  Nontheless, the motivation was to hurt McCain.  They probably would not be so quick to publish something slanderous (that was shaky evidence) on Obama.

Experience in any job is incredibly important.  New politicians can have great gusto and intentions but fall incredibly short in being effective because they don't understand how to actually get things done through government and connections.  They still have to understand how washington works and how to run the government.
Its easy to criticize someone who has a long track record while the newcomer has less to go on.  If Hillary, McCain and Obama had the same exact agenda, I'd bet Hillary & McCain would be able to get more done because they understand the system and can work with and around it.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: tom joad on February 21, 2008, 11:21:38 AM
Obama will run as Prez.  hilary will get the VP nod. 

I would be shocked if Obama asks Hillary to be his running mate.  There isn't a voter in America who would support Obama in November just because Hillary is on the ticket.  Everybody who already backs Hillary will vote for Obama anyway (except for maybe Bill haha.)
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 11:36:12 AM
I would be shocked if Obama asks Hillary to be his running mate.  There isn't a voter in America who would support Obama in November just because Hillary is on the ticket.  Everybody who already backs Hillary will vote for Obama anyway (except for maybe Bill haha.)

he doesn't want her.

but she'll enter the convention with enough delegates to demand it.

she'll also try to include FL and MICH votes, as well as to convince her super delegates to switch sides. 

He won't have the 2000+ required delegates, so some backroom deal will be made with the party elders (Gore, Edwards, Richardson, and others who have oddly declined to endorse anyone to retain their neutrality for such an event).  This deal will likely make Obama the Prez nominee and Hilary the VP nominee.  She'll try like crazy to get the prez nod of course, but I'd say at this point the VP role is pretty much assured for her.

And yes, she'll alienate a lot of voters.  But she's selfish and doesn't care.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: The Coach on February 21, 2008, 12:45:44 PM
Why should we support someone with experience???

Because McCain has been in the senate forever accomplished alot while there and most importantly know's how to protect our country. Obama on the other hand has done little, I mean what has he really done? And is only a 2 year senator, dude even refuses to hold his hand over his heart during the pledge. Then we have Hillary, what has she done for NY, from what I can see, nothing really. She claims she has experiance because she was on her husbands coattails for 8 years.....big deal, since when does that qualify someone to be pres?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 21, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
Why does Obama not put his hand over his heart?

Did it bother anyone else when Michelle Obama said "for the first time in my life, I am proud of America...not because my husband is doing well but because we all came together".  That just sat poorly with me.  We are all disappointed with certain aspects of government and our country, but if you haven't been proud of your country, you shouldn't be in the white house.  Barack and his wife both went to ivy league schools (princeton and harvard, I believe)...so they have worked hard, but were also granted and benefitted by the best education in the country.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: The Coach on February 21, 2008, 02:28:39 PM
Why does Obama not put his hand over his heart?

Did it bother anyone else when Michelle Obama said "for the first time in my life, I am proud of America...not because my husband is doing well but because we all came together".  That just sat poorly with me.  We are all disappointed with certain aspects of government and our country, but if you haven't been proud of your country, you shouldn't be in the white house.  Barack and his wife both went to ivy league schools (princeton and harvard, I believe)...so they have worked hard, but were also granted and benefitted by the best education in the country.

His wife needs to really think back on HOW she got in to an Ivy League school, she didn't have great grades (a below average GPA I'm pretty sure) and, most of all the got in because of affirmative action........and to top it off, she refuses to release her dissertation until after the elections....why?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: BayGBM on February 21, 2008, 03:43:22 PM
His wife needs to really think back on HOW she got in to an Ivy League school, she didn't have great grades (a below average GPA I'm pretty sure) and, most of all the got in because of affirmative action........and to top it off, she refuses to release her dissertation until after the elections....why?

I don't support Obama or Michelle, but you need some schooling.

Michelle is not concealing her dissertation--because she doesn’t have one.  She has a B.A. in sociology from Princeton and a J.D. from Harvard.  Neither degree requires a dissertation.  If she had earned a Ph.D. her dissertation would be on file with UMI (as all dissertations are) and anyone could order a copy of it for a small fee.  Anyone who has even thought about writing a dissertation would  know that.

www.umi.com

Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: gh15 on February 21, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
to begin with this story is twisted to fit a virtual reality that does not exisit in real life,,the connection between vicky and mccain is and was strictly formal and nothing EVER happened between them,,inaddition its enough to take one look at mccains wife to understand how hot this woman comparing to  vicky ,,you dont go backwards friends you go forwords

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

3. all subjetcs in the writing of this fabricated story will be resigned or forced to resign with out mccain ever need to sue,,we will do his work

take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: calmus on February 21, 2008, 04:14:57 PM
to begin with this story is twisted to fit a virtual reality that does not exisit in real life,,the connection between vicky and mccain is and was strictly formal and nothing EVER happened between them,,inaddition its enough to take one look at mccains wife to understand how hot this woman comparing to  vicky ,,you dont go backwards friends you go forwords

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

3. all subjetcs in the writing of this fabricated story will be resigned or forced to resign with out mccain ever need to sue,,we will do his work

take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause

BULLSHIT
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Heywood on February 21, 2008, 04:15:04 PM
The timing of the news is suspect.  The NYT editorial staff appears cynical regardless of whether the story is true or not.



Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 04:51:16 PM
to begin with this story is twisted to fit a virtual reality that does not exisit in real life,,the connection between vicky and mccain is and was strictly formal and nothing EVER happened between them,,inaddition its enough to take one look at mccains wife to understand how hot this woman comparing to  vicky ,,you dont go backwards friends you go forwords

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

3. all subjetcs in the writing of this fabricated story will be resigned or forced to resign with out mccain ever need to sue,,we will do his work

take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause

gh15,

why do you think the NY Times chose NOW to release this story?

It's sounding more and more like simple locker room gossip - 2 former mccain staffers thought something might be there, and suddenly its breaking news on CNN all day.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: bigdumbbell on February 21, 2008, 04:59:23 PM
gh15,

why do you think the NY Times chose NOW to release this story?

It's sounding more and more like simple locker room gossip - 2 former mccain staffers thought something might be there, and suddenly its breaking news on CNN all day.
the times endorsed mccain for the nomination a few weeks ago.  dont tell me 240 they didn't already know about this "bomb shell"   ::)
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: 240 is Back on February 21, 2008, 05:01:20 PM
the times endorsed mccain for the nomination a few weeks ago.  dont tell me 240 they didn't already know about this "bomb shell"   ::)

they reported they got this info around christmastime and spent 2 months sourcing, researching, etc.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: The Coach on February 21, 2008, 05:11:48 PM
I don't support Obama or Michelle, but you need some schooling.

Michelle is not concealing her dissertation--because she doesn’t have one.  She has a B.A. in sociology from Princeton and a J.D. from Harvard.  Neither degree requires a dissertation.  If she had earned a Ph.D. her dissertation would be on file with UMI (as all dissertations are) and anyone could order a copy of it for a small fee.  Anyone who has even thought about writing a dissertation would  know that.

www.umi.com



My mistake, she's then she's not releasing her thesis. She's holding back something she doesn't want shown. Thanks for the schooling, I did not get that far.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: LATS on February 21, 2008, 07:22:55 PM
 the times is backpeddling.. they now state thatthey had the info in november and did not want to publish it because they had no real evidence.. now, a liberal magazine called new republic (i believe) "threatens/pressures" the times to publish it (whatever that means)  and now they do so.. this is bad journalism at its worst.. somehow, telling a women, the lobbyist, to stay away from mccain because it may look bad.. then becomes a "affair"?.. she says it never happened and he says it never happened and the people in his last campaign have not come forward to say it happened.. so "wheres the beef?".. they threw it out there to see if it would stick.. it is backfiring..
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Tre on February 21, 2008, 07:24:51 PM
Obama will run as Prez.  hilary will get the VP nod.  Delegates are too close.

Ouch!

Hillary as veep would knock the wheels right off that bus.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: warrior_code on February 21, 2008, 08:21:18 PM
to begin with this story is twisted to fit a virtual reality that does not exisit in real life,,the connection between vicky and mccain is and was strictly formal and nothing EVER happened between them,,inaddition its enough to take one look at mccains wife to understand how hot this woman comparing to  vicky ,,you dont go backwards friends you go forwords

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

3. all subjetcs in the writing of this fabricated story will be resigned or forced to resign with out mccain ever need to sue,,we will do his work

take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause

What do you think about the alleged "secret UN meeting" held about world wide disclosure of UFO's?
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 21, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
is he wins his first act will be to declare war on the NY times
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: Vince B on February 21, 2008, 09:52:46 PM

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

we will do his work take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause

gh15 is ....., the only bodybuilder who has that kind of money to waste. Not that I believe everything this guru says.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: BayGBM on February 21, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
My mistake, she's then she's not releasing her thesis. She's holding back something she doesn't want shown. Thanks for the schooling, I did not get that far.

I’m not saying she is or is not hiding something, but it is irresponsible of you to conclude that she is.  Where exactly did you hear/read that she will “not release her thesis”?  Have you even bothered to verify this as fact, or are you simply accepting the rumor at face value?  Rumors like these are often started to feed gullible, conspiratorial people… like you.  :-[

Assuming she wrote a senior thesis, a copy of it is likely on file at the university library or in the department office archives and is available to anyone who really wanted to read it.  If someone asked me to produce a copy of my thesis or my dissertation, I would decline too.  Not because I have anything to hide, but because that stuff is buried in the past and the logistics of digging thru boxes in a storage locker to satisfy the idle curiosity of people whom have no real interest in the subject matter would not be worth my time. 

If she wrote one, it was 15-20 years ago.  The woman now has a career, is raising a family, supporting her husband, and is in the middle of a campaign.  I doubt having a 20 year old academic paper handy is high on her list of priorities right now.

Again, I am not an Obama supporter, but I think you are being foolish to let this non-issue feed into your conclusions about her and/or her husband’s candidacy.  If you don’t’ like her fine, but it should be for the right reasons—not this sort of nonsense.

Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: HowieW on February 21, 2008, 10:38:30 PM
Ouch!

Hillary as veep would knock the wheels right off that bus.

LOl funny I admit, but seriously veen if she gets elected , does anyone think Hillary would be as bad a pres as Bushy???seriously, think about it.

OMG! The McCain maybe sex scandel.
Whys is the focus NOT on the real issues which is if he gave favor to a lobbyist ( the girl) when he was head of the senate commerce comm? Why does everyone get all worked up over adults having sex.
It was witch hunt when they did it to Clinton and it is a witch hunt now for sen McCain.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegat
Post by: pellius on February 22, 2008, 01:07:10 AM
gh15 is ....., the only bodybuilder who has that kind of money to waste. Not that I believe everything this guru says.

Well, if it succeeds in further discrediting the NYT then it's not exactly a waste. I wish I had that kind of ching to play with.

BTW Vince, you're solid in my book (I do have a book).
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 22, 2008, 06:25:10 AM
From the responces from the NY times so far, they look really bad.  240, maybe they don't have anything else...and if thats the case, they should be heavily criticized.  Thats irresponsible journalism!
Looking into how politicians are influenced by lobyists is an important task...but doesn't appear that there is much here.

There seems to be something with Obama's wife, she appears at times bitter with the past or the country, just an impression, not fact...I'm bet more will come out in the general election.  I'm not aware of anything related to theses or discertations.  We have to be careful to report facts, not speculation, and if its just an opinion, state it as such.
Title: Re: McCain to hold 9 AM press conference on the breaking mistress/favors allegations
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 22, 2008, 06:28:20 AM
to begin with this story is twisted to fit a virtual reality that does not exisit in real life,,the connection between vicky and mccain is and was strictly formal and nothing EVER happened between them,,inaddition its enough to take one look at mccains wife to understand how hot this woman comparing to  vicky ,,you dont go backwards friends you go forwords

2. the new york times will HAVE TIO APPOLOGIZE ,,mccain will not go after ny times,,but guess who will go after them ,,the 5 extra million dollars we are puting into this,,now i got only one agenda and it is to destroy ny times already destroyed crdanility,,,i individually putting 1.5 million dollars extra into this and it will match to 5 by another fella only to deal with this issue and burn the ny times like it has never burnt before,,,trust me ny times will regret to ever even write the first letter in this fabricated shit

3. all subjetcs in the writing of this fabricated story will be resigned or forced to resign with out mccain ever need to sue,,we will do his work

take it to the bank friends,,i was just waiting to waste more money and this is good cause



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