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IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/676/Men/IMG_8549.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/785/Men/785mpf336.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/676/Men/IMG_6932.jpg)
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IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/676/Men/IMG_8549.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/785/Men/785mpf336.jpg)
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That's because he hasn't peaked yet. The Arnold is were you peak. The Ironman is a gauge to see you need to be.
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No, it's because never mind.
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about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.
yes even black men need to tan.
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No, it's because never mind.
Go ahead
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about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.
yes even black men need to tan.
Look again. Delts, brachialis bicep tie in, I could go on, are all way sharper.
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No, it's because never mind.
is there something? :)
he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.
let's not talk about phil heath.
let's talk about bodybuilders in general. Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil. What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)
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about the same conditioning, but his colour was better in colorado, thats why he looks more cut.
yes even black men need to tan.
lol its not his color that makes him look more cut, its just that he's was in better condition last year. Look at the separation in his arms compared to the ironman pic.
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is there something? :)
he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.
let's not talk about phil heath.
let's talk about bodybuilders in general. Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil. What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)
his growth since last year is only as result of more drug dosage and products,,he thickened himself due to use of insulin growth in combo with aas,,,there is no hard trainign growth here only growth due to use of drugs ,,inadditin few bodyparts didnt grow and wont because they cant and thats why he is narrow
the more insulin and gh you use the less sharp you will look,,some can carry it and some not ,,but heath just doesnt have the capacity to carry size ron or chris carried,,he just doesnt frame as well as chris levrone ron myself etc,,he has a frame of ray but hes taller ,,,in this day it will be enough though because ow days the competiton is horrid ,,,again wolf should be mr o if there is fairness in bodybuilding
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Look again. Delts, brachialis bicep tie in, I could go on, are all way sharper.
very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.
I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.
Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.
Third place at best.
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is there something? :)
he's bigger now, but he was ripped to shreds last year.
let's not talk about phil heath.
let's talk about bodybuilders in general. Let's just suppose any competitor comes in less sharp yet bigger, with changed tie-ins as we see on Phil. What would be the cause of this, in any generic bodybuilder (not phil, we're just talking hypotheticals)
Hypothetically speaking of course.
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Heath did some growing this year, no doubt about that.
He's bigger, but is he better?
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very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.
I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.
Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.
Third place at best.
no,,
you need to understand how bodybuiling industry work,,,you have weader and his son arnold,,,their say is everything and anything in bodybuilding,,arnold doesnt have much time to go into detail and is into politics ,,,weider is out of it officially but unofficially both weider play a major roll and if endorsing someone will push it to the final end,,,
weider LOVES heath ,,,heath doesnt have problem with law,,,heath come as good clean kid,,,heath come and smily guy that dont cheat and keep to himself ,,,heath come as a nice ray with out the talk back that ray used to give and couple more inches in height,,,
dexter is a better bodybuildr but old,,,heath will be pushed as hard as possible to win the arnold no matter his chest is like a 16 year old boy he will pushed as hard as possible and has the other body parts to win the arnold ,,,
dexter ,,everyone on planet eath know should be right now mr o and win the arnold for the 3rd time in a row but look who win o,,,
heath will be pushed as hard a possible inorder for anything else to change dex must come 100% and knock out weider because you dont win weider respect by points ONLY by knock out..otherwize its jason ...then heath ....if wolf is to win o it will have to be by a knock out to weider not by points
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very true, but i think his colour was horrible at the ironman and that the lights on that stage made him look a lot better than what he was really was that day.
I mean look how good melvin looked two weeks out. Melvin is never in that good of shape two weeks out.
Thats why i think all this the arnold is phil heaths to lose is bullshit. The lighting made him look better than he really did and his true colours will show at the arnold.
Third place at best.
Agreed that unless he comes in sharper Dexter will beat him and maybe Melvin. Yes, Melvin did look pretty good. I hope he doesn't drop too much water.
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It even looks like he's less vascular in the ironman pics. And his skin looks thinner in the Colorado pics
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/676/Men/IMG_6943.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/785/Men/785mpf329.jpg)
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those arms look cartoonish in the second picture. insane.
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its simply amazing how narrow thie kid is ,,i never payed much attention to it untill all the other bodyparts grew but now looking back you can tell his uppoer torse chest and shoulders = 18 year old kid who play with some weight in gym,,wouldnt even win local in america if didnt have the arms
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It even looks like he's less vascular in the ironman pics. And his skin looks thinner in the Colorado pics
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/676/Men/IMG_6943.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/785/Men/785mpf329.jpg)
very true
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its simply amazing how narrow thie kid is ,,i never payed much attention to it untill all the other bodyparts grew but now looking back you can tell his uppoer torse chest and shoulders = 18 year old kid who play with some weight in gym,,wouldnt even win local in america if didnt have the arms
As he got bigger, the narrowness became more obvious.
Do you think in Spring of 2009, when he's 10 pounds bigger, he is going to look seriously odd?
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As he got bigger, the narrowness became more obvious.
Do you think in Spring of 2009, when he's 10 pounds bigger, he is going to look seriously odd?
oh he is very odd looking,,very very very weird looking,,he is like short dillet but mising upper torse,,its like a skinny guy with big arms and legs that you see in many gyms around the world only that his arms and legs are more detailed but it will be lost too if adding 20 more lb
im tellin you this is nothingness ,,,i really had time to check this competitor closely last week ,,and he is what you call a freak very similar to lee priest ,,
this is my opionon aboutthe matter
heath WILL BE MR O
heath DOES NOT AND SHOULD NEVER BE MR O ,,DILLET WAS BETTER PRIEST WAS BETTER AND THEY NEVER TOUCHED THE TITLE AND HE SHOULDNT EAITHER BUT PAY ATTENTION HOW IT IS BUILT UP FOR AMERICAN TO BE NEXT O AND HEATH IS AMERICAN AND NO MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH LAW IN PAST
he just look like skinny guy with arm and legs ,,this is 165lb within 6 months off hormones,,i am willing to bet 10 k that this kid is 165-180lb within first year off hormones
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MAYBE SHARPER...BUT ALSO FLATTER.
TO COME IN AS BIG AND FULL AS PHIL DID, WITH THAT TYPE OF CONDITIONING...I'D SAY HE "NAILED" IT!! VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE BOTH...
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I think heath has simlar bone structure to Kevin, they both have very short shoulder bone width, but because they both have such huge delts, it makes up for it.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/kevinlevrone4.jpg)
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I think heath has simlar bone structure to Kevin, they both have very short shoulder bone width, but because they both have such huge delts, it makes up for it.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/kevinlevrone4.jpg)
no,,kevin pecs are to this day one of the best in the business,,his pecs were always very very good,,he also gave the illusion of being very very wide because he wasnt as thick as the kid,,his waist was tighter ,, and shoulders gave ilssuion of being super wide due to AMAZING OUT OF THIS WORLD V TAPER,,,
kevin is top 5 bodybuilders in history of bodybuilding with out holding o title,,face to face to this day i never met a person stronger than kvin in the bench press,,and i never met someone with such phenominal structure for bodybuilding as kevin put aside ron and arnold ,,
heath is no kevin not even remotely close
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IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.
No, I agree completely.
I'd hate to say that it's due to insulin.......but, it's due to insulin :-\
He still looks awesome, and with the added size, to me, seems much more impressive.
I just hope he can reap all the benefits of insulin before the negatives start kicking in....like the "insulin abs" :-\
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could be the color
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
Maybe...maybe not ???
I guess time will tell :-*
As the months/cc's/IU's go by, we'll see which direction his physique is REALLY going ;)
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
we are quantifying two comparable entities against each other..
translation for you: yes he may look better in person but I think that we can fairly compare pics of the same person in the same pose at different times
Isaac you are a posing thong sniffing fag..fact
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He's bigger and better this year than last. Keep in mind that he will peak at the Arnold.
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It would help if you posted pics were he was actually FULLY FLEXED and into the pose ::)
Yes he will be Mr. O, BUT I think Wolf will get one before he does ;D
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
Can you post 2 pics - one from Colo and one from Ironman - where Phil is more ripped, fully flexed, in 2008 than in 2007?
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He is cut but smooth. I just don’t see the striations on Phil but I guess that comes with time. I don’t agree with everything GH15 says but he should not be MrO, should have a career similar to Shawn with a couple of Arnolds under his belt but doesn’t have enough width, just not enough for the Big Man’s title in Vegas. But he is the best sell in below average generation after Kev, Flex, Shawn, Cormier, Dex, Ronnie, Yates, and so on.
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i think he looks like he is bigger, but is simply holding a little bit of water.
as for being mr o, as gh says dex should be the current mr o, to give it to heath, yet overlook dex would be a disgrace.
dex is the most complete bodybuilder on the stage today, and so far ahead of heath its not even close.
i like heath, but he is narrow, and not in proportion. you can't deny this.
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i think he looks like he is bigger, but is simply holding a little bit of water.
as for being mr o, as gh says dex should be the current mr o, to give it to heath, yet overlook dex would be a disgrace.
dex is the most complete bodybuilder on the stage today, and so far ahead of heath its not even close.
i like heath, but he is narrow, and not in proportion. you can't deny this.
I agree on Dex. he's the best bodybuilder on the planet, and the most complete.
But he'll never win the O, or they would have given it to him last year.
besides, will any MD guy ever be given the crown? That's a tough one. Give away the legacy for a year, to allow md to use it as they see fit? Hell, it's CALLED "joe weider's mr. olympia". I'd be willing to put down $ that we don't see an MD guy win the crown in the next 3 years.
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can someone post some pics where Dex looks better than Phil at the ironman
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That's because he hasn't peaked yet. The Arnold is were you peak. The Ironman is a gauge to see you need to be.
Are you trying to use reasoning with MattT?
This is a man who invest in Dubai, India.
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Agreed that unless he comes in sharper Dexter will beat him and maybe Melvin. Yes, Melvin did look pretty good. I hope he doesn't drop too much water.I hope he's been eating pie filling for every meal since the Arnold because he just needed to have more calories in him to appear more ripped. More calories and the same amount of water.
There you go Jim; fixed it for you.
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
True, you can't judge a show based on pics but when you have such a blatant contrast such as these it's easy to tell he's going to start sacrificing his conditioning. It's happening again, the insulin will screw him up just like the others. Last year he was shredded, this year he was ripped but not as sharp. He's going to start losing his quality, mark my words, I'm rarely wrong on stuff like this.
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can anyone name a single competitor where insulin made the guy BETTER, not just bigger?
I've always laughed at Joelocal's hatred for insulin, almost as much as he hates libs or facts.
But in this case, if the pics are accurate, Phil's bicep was a little smaller and looked a lot more defined last year. maybe we'll find a pic from the ASC where it cuts like the Colorado pro. But if not, joelocal might have found a perfect example of one year change for the worse.
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can anyone name a single competitor where insulin made the guy BETTER, not just bigger?
No, not off hand but I can name a ton of people that insulin made them worse.
And for the record, I don't hate libs, if were not for libs we'd have very little in the way of political comic relief. I mean how can you not laugh at these clowns......
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i think phil is a good bber
but no a mr o... and is not on the same planet as levrone... or dillet
too small...
but gh does pose a good question phill without the arms?
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he has good legs...
but his arms to chest ratio throws his symetry out of whack
but in todays cimate he is one of the better bbers around...
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How much was the pricemoney at Ironman?
ASC 130 000 dollar + hummer?
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And for the record, I don't hate libs, if were not for libs we'd have very little in the way of political comic relief. I mean how can you not laugh at these clowns......
That republican senator who played footsie in the mens room was pretty funny.
You're right. democrats are funny.
If you want sad, look at the 4000 bodybags from iraq. Dems didn't have the white house or the congress then, so I think you should look for dogshit in your own backyard before you mock the dems for funny faces.
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worst conditionning or not, he was way better this year
much more complete and freaky, even if he less detailed
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Are you guys really bodybuilding fans?
That pic of Phil Heath in the Colorado Pro is 2006 not 2007!
Remember Phil won the first ever Colorado Pro in 2006 (his first pro show), then Kai Green won it last year in 2007!
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Are you guys really bodybuilding fans?
That pic of Phil Heath in the Colorado Pro is 2006 not 2007!
Remember Phil won the first ever Colorado Pro in 2006 (his first pro show), then Kai Green won it last year in 2007!
absolutly 8)
last year Phil only did the ASC
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Anyone who saw him in both the Colorado and the IRONMAN knows his level of conditioning was every bit the same and better than the Colorado. You're comparing photos. His color was a little light at the IRONMAN and I asked him about it in a video interview yesterday.
I took the first set of photos and they are way too dark. I could make MattT look 10x better than he is in photos. Can't judge a show based on pics.
Yes, "you need to be at the shows to judge them".
I went to both the Arnold and Olympia last year and couldn't see shit. I was watching the show from the big screens. My point is that yes, you can judge based on pictures and I would say 99% of people do. Unless you are in the first 10 rows, you can't even see the bodybuilders anyway.
That said, I agree that Phil's colour was probably a major contributor to his apparent worsening of condition, but I don't agree his conditioning was better at the Ironman. I would say it was a little worse. Look at the detail in his delt in the side chest pose in both pictures.
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He's about 10% more ripped at the Colorado show then the ironman, but im sure he will be tighter at the Arnolds.
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He's about 10% more ripped at the Colorado show then the ironman, but im sure he will be tighter at the Arnolds.
To be fair, he hadn't fully hit the side chest in the picture that you posted. Given the improvements he made in muscularity, a slight drop in conditioning is acceptable.
When Isaac posted Phil's pictures in 2005 on here I didn't think much of them. He looked very good, but I had no idea he would turn into the bodybuilder that he has and in hindsight although Isaac accurately predicted Phil's success, I really have no idea what he was basing that prediction on. I don't see how anyone could assume someone could improve that much. He always had incredible arms and shoulders and everything else was alright, but not knockouts like his arms and shoulders. Now he has brought his legs up to the world class level and soon he will do the same for his back. He is an amazing bodybuilder.
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ok here he is fully flexed, looks bit tighter, but i still think he looks harder at the Colorado show.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q2078_EOMGFWRWPP.jpg)
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There you go Jim; fixed it for you.
;D
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Yes, "you need to be at the shows to judge them".
I went to both the Arnold and Olympia last year and couldn't see shit. I was watching the show from the big screens. My point is that yes, you can judge based on pictures and I would say 99% of people do. Unless you are in the first 10 rows, you can't even see the bodybuilders anyway.
That said, I agree that Phil's colour was probably a major contributor to his apparent worsening of condition, but I don't agree his conditioning was better at the Ironman. I would say it was a little worse. Look at the detail in his delt in the side chest pose in both pictures.
the US actually gave you a visa to enter? we need a new immigration policy against gay Canadians asap.
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IMO Phil actually looks tighter at last years Colorado Pro, with added size come loss of detail and separation. Yeh overall he looks better at the Ironman, but definitely was not in his all time best condition.
Uh, no. He's peaking for the Arnold Classic which pays about 20 times as much money.
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looks better at the Ironman