that's not frank zane
he had a chance to prove to the world that he was right, and milos was wrong.
proof is in the pudding, as they say.
instead, he actually proved milos RIGHT and made himself look bad for everyone to see.
Sad, but science is important. I gained a newfound respect for Milos from all this.
Owned again junour.......
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Milos is an IFBB pro and weighs 100 lbs more than you, correct?
he had a chance to prove to the world that he was right, and milos was wrong.
proof is in the pudding, as they say.
instead, he actually proved milos RIGHT and made himself look bad for everyone to see.
Sad, but science is important. I gained a newfound respect for Milos from all this.
Mios was wrong, just take a look at King in his last show, he made the mistake of switching from Disgusted to Milos.
Owned again junour.......
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Looking good.
What is the deal with your lower back? You not training it much?
Milos is an IFBB pro and weighs 100 lbs more than you, correct?
When Milos TURNED pro-before exposure to heavy drug use-he was 210# MAX!.. at 5'10.And? What was Ronnie Coleman when he turned pro? How about Markus Ruhl?
HTH.
No, he's no where near 100lbs more than me.......what does that have to do with anything, I'm not nor did I ever compare my physique to Milos'. Besides, what does weight have to do with anything (i've got to hear this)
what did Phil Heath weigh a couple years ago?
And? What was Ronnie Coleman when he turned pro? How about Markus Ruhl?
All BBers jump up massive pounds when they turn pro......what did Phil Heath weigh a couple years ago?
Well, I saw Ronnie compete in the 1990 Nationals before he was pro and he was an easy 230-235, I would think Ruhl would be as big, if not bigger.It was nothing to do with size of arms, you said bodyweight, OK Ronnie turned pro at 230-235? Then in a few short years he went from 245lbs up to 285-290lbs, right?
Phil heath was/is a 5'7 BBer-and Milos was 5'10.
Milos was the smallest Pro to ever get a pro card-his arms were 17.5 inches when he turned pro.
Do NOT try to tell me any other pro turned pro with 17.5 inch arms!!
you claim to be more of an expert in building muscle than milos. he obviously "dwarfs" you and has guys already at the top (top being ifbb pros) coming to him for advice on how to do just that.
you train fat housewives, yet you claim to be more of an expert than milos?
don't get me wrong, you've stated in the past you've trained pro athletes. real athletes. i'm sure you would destroy milos in that aspect (functional training) but that would be comparing apples to oranges. milos' guys couldn't run a mile in under 20 minutes, and your guys can jump 40 inches in the air.
but on stage, milos makes his guys LOOK better. and he knows more than you. besides, i doubt milos has ever played a sport.
note: this is just a rant; i'm saying you're good at what you do, but getting bodybuilders big in shape is not what you do and shouldn't give advice to those that do.
I trained BBer's for along time until about 93', brought several to the Nationals, a couple of State a bunch of local winners and a couple of women who were top 5 Ms. Olympias.....true, it's not what I do now nor do I have any intrest in training BBer's. While you say I do train "fat" housewives and athletes, I also help the obese and I have a childhood obesity program that we have done as part of a private program that is starting to expand into school programs, I prefer to help and train people who actually need help to improve their lives and health, competitive bodybuilding doesn't do that.
As far as Milos goes, it always his goal from the beginning to be a pro BBer and he was a good one, although never an Olympia threat at anytime during his career, he did well in the smaller shows. Milos dwarfing me........he should, I'm 5'6 he's 5'11.......but then again Shawn is the same height as me and Milos couldn't compare to Shawn, so saying he dwarfs me really has no significance.
Milos is no better than anyother "guru" out there, he just sells himself well, his methods are hit and miss and not consistant, if he was that good his client retention should be consistant and steady. Why did Wolf leave, JJ, etc, etc, etc. It would be safe to say if I had too, I bring someone (anyone) into a show and in shape.
Sounds like Milos rejected your Gay4Pay offer. The coach is a sad, sad "man" :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Milos has had success helping pros reach new levels.
he was unable to change anything with king, but even disgusted, the best in the business, has been unable to reverse the trend there.
The real quesiton, Joe, is this:
Do you think you could get King into better contest shape than Milos did?
JOELOCO is right though, wolf jj ss and many others quit.... you dont leave the "best" trainer , right?
Yes......but he would have to listen, besides he should go back to Jim.
The real quesiton, Joe, is this:
Do you think you could get King into better contest shape than Milos did?
dude, you should call up King and offer your services for a summer or fall show.
You'd seriously outshine every top name in the gam today if you coudl recapture 2001 form on him.
while i normally laugh about the insulin debate and could care less about it, in this case, ins is probably the biggest reason for the slide.
Yes......but he would have to listen, besides he should go back to Jim.
King just needs to put his ego aside and listen.
So what makes you think that he actually DID listen to Milos, and Milos couldn't bring him into a contest in shape? ::)
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but commonsense tells me he's not going to make trips back and forth from NY to Cali, stay with Milos the week before the show to NOT listen to him. Please don't go there, there are things I know that most people on here don't.
Start singing brother
there are things I know that most people on here don't.
Please don't go there, there are things I know that most people on here don't.
Lame. ::) Just lame. :-X
Why don't you take your football and just go home?
Liberal as the day is long. Show your sources.
Pull your lips off Milos' balls and wake up.
Actually coach looks pretty good. I'd venture to say he looks better than most here. If you think you look better throw up your pics. You are just breaking balls.
I"m late to the argument, but I do believe in slin use. I agree with Milos, it reduces the amount of test needed to acquire size, and if used correctly can be used for contest prep as well. It is a great volumizer. lf you disagree, you probably have not tried it and are scared. I have had better results with slin and 500mgs of test than 1000mgs of test and Dbol or Drol. Most jshut down the thought of giving it a try when they hear diabetes or coma. You won't know till you try. Just do your research before attempting it. I have a parter I've taken under my wing, he went from 180 to 215 in 4wks on slin alone. His strength would have improved more with test, but it was not avail at the time and he just wanted to start.
I trained BBer's for along time until about 93', brought several to the Nationals, a couple of State a bunch of local winners and a couple of women who were top 5 Ms. Olympias.....true, it's not what I do now nor do I have any intrest in training BBer's. While you say I do train "fat" housewives and athletes, I also help the obese and I have a childhood obesity program that we have done as part of a private program that is starting to expand into school programs, I prefer to help and train people who actually need help to improve their lives and health, competitive bodybuilding doesn't do that.
As far as Milos goes, it always his goal from the beginning to be a pro BBer and he was a good one, although never an Olympia threat at anytime during his career, he did well in the smaller shows. Milos dwarfing me........he should, I'm 5'6 he's 5'11.......but then again Shawn is the same height as me and Milos couldn't compare to Shawn, so saying he dwarfs me really has no significance.
Milos is no better than anyother "guru" out there, he just sells himself well, his methods are hit and miss and not consistant, if he was that good his client retention should be consistant and steady. Why did Wolf leave, JJ, etc, etc, etc. It would be safe to say if I had too, I bring someone (anyone) into a show and in shape.
Actually coach looks pretty good. I'd venture to say he looks better than most here. If you think you look better throw up your pics. You are just breaking balls.
I"m late to the argument, but I do believe in slin use. I agree with Milos, it reduces the amount of test needed to acquire size, and if used correctly can be used for contest prep as well. It is a great volumizer. lf you disagree, you probably have not tried it and are scared. I have had better results with slin and 500mgs of test than 1000mgs of test and Dbol or Drol. Most jshut down the thought of giving it a try when they hear diabetes or coma. You won't know till you try. Just do your research before attempting it. I have a parter I've taken under my wing, he went from 180 to 215 in 4wks on slin alone. His strength would have improved more with test, but it was not avail at the time and he just wanted to start.
It's been common for many years for competitors to jump around from "guru" to "guru". Very few keep thier guys year afer year, most notably being Aceto w/ Cutler and Teh Chad w/ Ronnie. Other than that they all jump around.
Don't get me wrong, I have never doubted it's effects or results, I'd be fool to say insulin doesn't work, it most definatly does....it's the long term effects that alot people don't realize that disturbs me. AAS is much safer than insulin at least when it comes to comptitive use.
OWNED!
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looking like a greek god there joe 8)
Tell me it's wrong.
Stake your credibility on it.
Do it :)
That was about 3 days before the show, I'm 5'6 and I think I was around 195
JOELOCO is right though, wolf jj ss and many others quit.... you dont leave the "best" trainer , right?benz, I know you're scared to go against "joeloco" cause he has Ron's balls in his throat, but they didn't leave or quit, Milos has no time to train these guys, he has stated this several times.
benz, I know you're scared to go against "joeloco" cause he has Ron's balls in his throat, but they didn't leave or quit, Milos has no time to train these guys, he has stated this several times.
Apparently Coach has all the time in the world, business is booming, eh coach? :-\
Im not scared of him, why would i? Im just saying he's right in that point, just that. Milos went down after nazi el sonbaty brought up the milamar incident.Not true, but keep swinging from The Coaches sack if you like, afraid of time out or what? The Coach does not hold that power, quit coddling his johnson. >:(
As for joe, i might call his son (who is my personal friend) and tell him to sign up here ;)
the man is almost 50, have some respect ::)
Please share your tales of physiques that have been rumored to have been destroyed through insuline use. I'll begin...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHCHAHCHCHCCHCHAABABAHWHAHAHAHAHAAA
I almost choked on my 350gram post workout shake, dick >:(
Chaos, try and pry your lips from Milos' ass and realize he's had shitty client retention for years.Sure, as soon as yours is striated......bubbles. ;)