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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: KillerMonk on March 11, 2008, 07:47:53 AM
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1000 ply shirts,Deadlifts and Squats performed with legs nearly doing the splits, Though the benching is not to bad except for these rediculous shirt suits.Make it mandatory to lift Raw.
To the strongest powerlifters out there you have my respect but would it not be fair to get rid of suits and only lift Raw with proper form.
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i don't give a shit how wide your legs are if you squat 1000 pounds or deadlift 850 you're one strong SOB, no doubt about it.
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no, it's just you
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It was inevitable that technology would get involved - Human physiology cannot keep up with the needs to progress.
Just another small step on our road to becoming teh borg (or of course, all perishing in the cataclysmic year of 2012).
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I go to local PLing meets each year. In person, it's dramatic. people fail, and they do fail awkwardly at times.
but yeah, the short-limbed people doing very limited ROM while wearing 7 layers of shirt... pointless.
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i don't give a shit how wide your legs are if you squat 1000 pounds or deadlift 850 you're one strong SOB, no doubt about it.
Agreed.
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i don't give a shit how wide your legs are if you squat 1000 pounds or deadlift 850 you're one strong SOB, no doubt about it.
I admit its a silly thread considering how many Powerlifters that are on the board but i would like to see what type of lifts these guys can do Raw i suppose your right if you can Deadlift or Squat with out total form, I just be interseted in the difference of the poundages without the suits.
That kid whos thread was on a couple of weeks ago lifting something like 6 plates raw aside on Benchpress was the most impressive piece of lifting i have ever seen.
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i don't give a shit how wide your legs are if you squat 1000 pounds or deadlift 850 you're one strong SOB, no doubt about it.
Yeah, but the bench shirt technology is insulting.
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It isn't insulting, it just isn't particularly entertaining.
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Yeah, but the bench shirt technology is insulting.
Agreed! It is my understanding that there is about a 300 pound difference in the raw record vs. the record where the shirts are allowed, thats just fucking lame. Its like a fucking high jumper wearing spring loaded shoes or a speed skater wearing some crazy ass wiley coyote acme rocket skates.
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Yeah, but the bench shirt technology is insulting.
i don't give a shit what kind of shirt you're wearing it takes a lot of balls and some SERIOUS strength to get under an 800-900 pound bar.
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True, but then again I'd rather see a 700 pound raw squat than a 800 pound geared squat.
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i don't give a shit what kind of shirt you're wearing it takes a lot of balls and some SERIOUS strength to get under an 800-900 pound bar.
True, but what is the fucking point of the shirt?
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True, but what is the fucking point of the shirt?
Ummm... To bench.
More. ???
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shirts and suits to "crutch" a bunch of fat ass fuckers.....powerlifting is
garbage if it is not in natural form
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Powerlifting...for when you don't have good bodybuilding genetics. ;)
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let me first say i am impressed by powerlifters who bench, DL and squat in a more natural form, i.e. no suits and other BS. I do however, believe that power liftering is insignificant compared to oylmpic lifting. They don't need or have stupid shirts etc when they go at it, it's just weight vs gravity vs man with little to no assistance from anything else, that's the way powerlifting should be.
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let me first say i am impressed by powerlifters who bench, DL and squat in a more natural form, i.e. no suits and other BS. I do however, believe that power liftering is insignificant compared to oylmpic lifting. They don't need or have stupid shirts etc when they go at it, it's just weight vs gravity vs man with little to no assistance from anything else, that's the way powerlifting should be.
speakin the truth!!
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Equipped powerlifting (shirts, suits) is totally and completely different than raw powerlifting. You train differently, you do the lifts differently, and you use different weights.
Powerlifting is not going downhill. Both raw and equipped forms are progressing and evolving. Take each of them for what they are - both require ALOT of strength, technique, and hard training to be successful - and leave it at that. 8)
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Equipped powerlifting (shirts, suits) is totally and completely different than raw powerlifting. You train differently, you do the lifts differently, and you use different weights.
Powerlifting is not going downhill. Both raw and equipped forms are progressing and evolving. Take each of them for what they are - both require ALOT of strength, technique, and hard training to be successful - and leave it at that. 8)
Of course you train differently, you're wearing a fucking shirt that holds your arms out like a zombie. Do you know what the purpose of wearing a shirt is? Can somebody please fucking tell me?
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Of course you train differently, you're wearing a fucking shirt that holds your arms out like a zombie. Do you know what the purpose of wearing a shirt is? Can somebody please fucking tell me?
To artificially lift more weight, obviously. Next thing you know they'll invent a pulley system for deadlifts.
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To artificially lift more weight, obviously. Next thing you know they'll invent a pulley system for deadlifts.
THANK YOU. There is no fucking point to the shirts other than to artificially help you lift more weight. SHIRTS BLOW ASS
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I follow bodybuilding much more, but powerlifting impresses the hell out of me. I like seeing raw lifts though. If someone asked me to go a top raw pl'ing meet and one where they can use shirts and suits, i'd go to the raw one. I'd be much more impressed by a guy walking in, chalking up, and getting under 700lbs. The guys that do shirted lifting are mostly just as strong/stronger but I just like watching raw lifts. When someone benches 800+, squats 1000+, and can only deadlift 720, it shows how much the shirts help in the first two lifts.
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Of course you train differently, you're wearing a fucking shirt that holds your arms out like a zombie. Do you know what the purpose of wearing a shirt is? Can somebody please fucking tell me?
To lift bigger weight while reducing the potential for injury to the shoulders and delts. Obviously a raw bench press cannot be compared to a shirted bench press, but you aren't going to see someone get under 800-1,000 pounds and bench it raw without killing themselves in the process.
Shirts evolved FIRST for injury prevention and have since become the best way to increase your 1RM. And like someone said already, it takes big balls and a lot of strength to get under that kind of weight, even with the shirt on.
I don't know why there is a need to discriminate here...I can appreciate both raw and equipped lifting for what they are. 8)
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To lift bigger weight while reducing the potential for injury to the shoulders and delts. Obviously a raw bench press cannot be compared to a shirted bench press, but you aren't going to see someone get under 800-1,000 pounds and bench it raw without killing themselves in the process.
Shirts evolved FIRST for injury prevention and have since become the best way to increase your 1RM. And like someone said already, it takes big balls and a lot of strength to get under that kind of weight, even with the shirt on.
I don't know why there is a need to discriminate here...I can appreciate both raw and equipped lifting for what they are. 8)
Can you tell me your records of three?
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Can you tell me your records of three?
You mean the three PL lifts? I am only benching this year...planning on doing all three (equipped!) next year.
Right now, my raw 1RM bench press is probably 185, maybe 190...and I am benching 235 in a shirt right now, with much room left for improvement.
Bottom line is that a shirted bencher is still going to have an impressive raw bench. It's not like someone benches 225 raw and puts a shirt on to get 600. ::)
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You mean the three PL lifts? I am only benching this year...planning on doing all three (equipped!) next year.
Right now, my raw 1RM bench press is probably 185, maybe 190...and I am benching 235 in a shirt right now, with much room left for improvement.
Bottom line is that a shirted bencher is still going to have an impressive raw bench. It's not like someone benches 225 raw and puts a shirt on to get 600. ::)
Haha! I like you but its not your three sizes of course!! ;D
Well Benching about twice of your weight is good even you use shirt. Its all depend on the tecnic you use. Do you use lat muscle power when you push it up?
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Haha! I like you but its not your three sizes of course!! ;D
Well Benching about twice of your weight is good even you use shirt. Its all depend on the tecnic you use. Do you use lat muscle power when you push it up?
Benching twice bodyweight is really really good for a female...that's my goal for next year.
Yes, you use the lats quite a bit, and a lot of leg drive. 8)
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You mean the three PL lifts? I am only benching this year...planning on doing all three (equipped!) next year.
Right now, my raw 1RM bench press is probably 185, maybe 190...and I am benching 235 in a shirt right now, with much room left for improvement.
Bottom line is that a shirted bencher is still going to have an impressive raw bench. It's not like someone benches 225 raw and puts a shirt on to get 600. ::)
Thats not a bad lift for a lady of your size raw, 190 is impressive considering most of the guys on this board would struggle with 225.
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Benching twice bodyweight is really really good for a female...that's my goal for next year.
Yes, you use the lats quite a bit, and a lot of leg drive. 8)
Seem like you have very good coach there right? Its really required when it comes to do good powerlifting bench.
When you enter some competition,post here.
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Seem like you have very good coach their right? Its really required when it comes to do good powerlifting bench.
When you enter some competition,post here.
Yes, I have a great coach, and a good spotter too (two different people). 8)
I have a thread going on the PL board with video clips, etc.
I am benching again in a competition this Sunday. :)
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Yes, I have a great coach, and a good spotter too (two different people). 8)
I have a thread going on the PL board with video clips, etc.
I am benching again in a competition this Sunday. :)
Wow! Post HP here. I want to check your lifting form.
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Wow! Post HP here. I want to check your lifting form.
From the last meet in Feb...if anything, I hope this illustrates how difficult it actually is to use a bench shirt.
It took me five months of hard training to get this lift. It's not just a matter of throwing a shirt on and magically adding 50-100 pounds to your bench press.
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From the last meet in Feb...if anything, I hope this illustrates how difficult it actually is to use a bench shirt.
It took me five months of hard training to get this lift. It's not just a matter of throwing a shirt on and magically adding 50-100 pounds to your bench press.
Wooowwwww!!!!!! GREAT GREAT GREAT!!!!! Super great job!!!!
Good form!
I hope that you win in the up comin compition.
Dont forget to post the result. ;)
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Benching twice bodyweight is really really good for a female...that's my goal for next year.
May I suggest these?
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May I suggest these?
Thats the next big thing in powerlifging don't you know. These retards are gonna start putting springs under their elbows as they lower the weight down. Don't worry though, you still gotta be a badass to move major weight, even with springs ::)
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Thats the next big thing in powerlifging don't you know. These retards are gonna start putting springs under their elbows as they lower the weight down. Don't worry though, you still gotta be a badass to move major weight, even with springs ::)
Yes, now you're getting it...thanks! ;)
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Yes, now you're getting it...thanks! ;)
Yep I hear in the olympics this summer they are allowing the swimmers to wear shoes with propellers on them. Don't worry though, they are all still really fast swimmers!
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terrible form, your back is arched like half of a mcdonalds sign...
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From the last meet in Feb...if anything, I hope this illustrates how difficult it actually is to use a bench shirt.
It took me five months of hard training to get this lift. It's not just a matter of throwing a shirt on and magically adding 50-100 pounds to your bench press.
I know I've been harsh to you on here, so I really don't want to single you out here...but...this vid illustrates exactly how much assistance you're getting from that shirt. You can barely descend the weight with any semblance of control, but the weight magically explodes off your chest, LOL.
Again, not to pick on you. I kinda wish you had posted a vid of someone else so I don't seem like such a hater towards you.
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THANK YOU. There is no fucking point to the shirts other than to artificially help you lift more weight. SHIRTS BLOW ASS
I've argued this point a few times in the past and what it always comes down to is that regardless of the artificial weight lifted it is more entertaining for the pl crowds to see a man bench 900lbs than it is 600lbs....the shirt is of no consequence to fans or competitors....all that matters is the huge weight lifted.
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I know I've been harsh to you on here, so I really don't want to single you out here...but...this vid illustrates exactly how much assistance you're getting from that shirt. You can barely descend the weight with any semblance of control, but the weight magically explodes off your chest, LOL.
Again, not to pick on you. I kinda wish you had posted a vid of someone else so I don't seem like such a hater towards you.
It's OK, you're not hating on me...you're just demonstrating how little you actually know about bench pressing. :)
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i have no problem with double layers and strong material
but i have a big problem with the judging during the last 3-5 years
you can also squat CORRECTLY AND DEEP with a canvas suit and power briefs, only a question of tightness and adjustment
also the bench forms are sucking more and more. raising butts, no pause, shitty lock-outs - these are the things which are bad for the sport!
sorry guys, especially in the states it is horrible! but it's getting worse in europe too...
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i have no problem with double layers and strong material
but i have a big problem with the judging during the last 3-5 years
you can also squat CORRECTLY AND DEEP with a canvas suit and power briefs, only a question of tightness and adjustment
also the bench forms are sucking more and more. raising butts, no pause, shitty lock-outs - these are the things which are bad for the sport!
sorry guys, especially in the states it is horrible! but it's getting worse in europe too...
you say the video of the blonde haired guy posted above ...
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I've argued this point a few times in the past and what it always comes down to is that regardless of the artificial weight lifted it is more entertaining for the pl crowds to see a man bench 900lbs than it is 600lbs....the shirt is of no consequence to fans or competitors....all that matters is the huge weight lifted.
Point well made, but where do you draw the line. I'm sure the fans would love to see someone get a 2000 pound bench, but at what point do we say that they cannot have anymore assistance. GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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The purpose of the shirt is simply to be able to lift more weight. The excuse that it is to protect from injuries is just a canned respose that most "not all" powerlifters give when question about the shirts. If anything injures have increased from the shirts due to people trying much more weight that theyre body can handle. I have seen many times where a lifter in a shirt gets "out of the grove" and the bar goes flying towards their head. If a shirt blows out, its very ugly. If anyone can show me satistics that shows a decline in injuries since shirts got very popular, I'd love to take a look at it.
I have only seen a handful of powerlifters be honest and say the only purpose for the shirt is so they can lift more weight which I can respect I mean, they're often very strong guys but no matter how strong you are the shirt is BS IMO. Just don't fall for the canned "it's to protect my shoulders line." Sure you going to injure yourself if you try raw a weight that your body cannot come close to handling.
Why do you think powerlifters with shirts do a TON of board presses? The purpose of that is to strengthen the lockout part of the lift. Why do they focus on that so much? Well its because the shirt does most of the work through the bottom part of the lift and the assistance fades as it gets closer and closer to lockout.
Real life senario. I was at a powerlifting meet. Competetor has on a Titan Fury Bench press shirt which feels like a shirt made out of seat belt material. After powdering him up and taking 3 guys to get the thing on him, he walks up like a undead zombie arms extended to try to live 550lbs. He brings the bar down, but CAN'T get it to touch his chest "about 3-4 inches away" easily does the lift but it doesn't count because he didn't touch his chest. He then UP'S the weight to 600lbs and again, next lift he can't touch his chest. Then the weight for his final attempt gets raised to 620 and yet again, he's about an inch away this time. He bombed out because his shirt was so tight that he couldn't make over 600lbs touch his chest. Even the referee "an old school lifter was shaking his head."
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Geeze,another "shirts suck" threads.You know EVERY SINGLE fucking sport has done the same thing that powerlifting has.Christ,basketball now rewards guys three points for a shot that used to be worth two.Pete Maravich would have averaged 70 points a game if the three point shot was in back then.Shirts get more poundages,just like juiced baseballs and shorter mounds allow more home runs.
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Geeze,another "shirts suck" threads.You know EVERY SINGLE fucking sport has done the same thing that powerlifting has.Christ,basketball now rewards guys three points for a shot that used to be worth two.Pete Maravich would have averaged 70 points a game if the three point shot was in back then.Shirts get more poundages,just like juiced baseballs and shorter mounds allow more home runs.
Great comparison ::)
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From the last meet in Feb...if anything, I hope this illustrates how difficult it actually is to use a bench shirt.
It took me five months of hard training to get this lift. It's not just a matter of throwing a shirt on and magically adding 50-100 pounds to your bench press.
ALL SHIRT!! you trained 5 months to learn how to put on that ridiculous shirt....LAME!
lifting "EQUIPMENT" is just fucking gay....PERIOD!
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You mean the three PL lifts? I am only benching this year...planning on doing all three (equipped!) next year.
Right now, my raw 1RM bench press is probably 185, maybe 190...and I am benching 235 in a shirt right now, with much room left for improvement.
Bottom line is that a shirted bencher is still going to have an impressive raw bench. It's not like someone benches 225 raw and puts a shirt on to get 600. ::)
Big hole in logic. The problem is that the unshirted BP record has barely changed in 10-20 years, while the shirted one has skyrocketed up and past 1,000 and will only continue as more and more technology is used. See that logic?
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You guys need to give Lori a break. She is putting up 185 raw, so she's really not getting a ton of assistance to put up 225. Frankly, I think we all agree that her 185 raw lift is the more impressive of the two, but if she's competing in feds that allow the shirt, should she lose out on 1st place to prove a point? To whom?
Also, if she can set some records using the shirt and make a name for herself (like several Inzer-ized men have done), who can begrudge her that?
Team STEEL
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Oh i'm just giving her shit cuz she happens to be the one discussing it on this particular thread. I have always hated bench shirts. I had a friend who did a show and he had the same problem as a guy in a story on this thread: his shirt was so tight he couldnt get the bar all the way down. Thats just lame.
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It's OK, you're not hating on me...you're just demonstrating how little you actually know about bench pressing. :)
I know it tore my pec. That's about all I need to know imo.
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Big hole in logic. The problem is that the unshirted BP record has barely changed in 10-20 years, while the shirted one has skyrocketed up and past 1,000 and will only continue as more and more technology is used. See that logic?
Not really...my only point was that it's incorrect to think that you just throw a shirt on, and VOILA, your bench press just increases by leaps and bounds. Some people seem to have this perception. You have to train specifically to use a shirt, and it's more than just putting the shirt on. Getting the bar all the way down is another part of the challenge. ;D
Once again, the bottom line is that equipped lifting is DIFFERENT...not worse, not better, just different.
(Thanks Ed :-*)
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You guys need to give Lori a break. She is putting up 185 raw, so she's really not getting a ton of assistance to put up 225. Frankly, I think we all agree that her 185 raw lift is the more impressive of the two, but if she's competing in feds that allow the shirt, should she lose out on 1st place to prove a point? To whom?
Also, if she can set some records using the shirt and make a name for herself (like several Inzer-ized men have done), who can begrudge her that?
Team STEEL
185 raw vs 225 shirted is a 22% increase..."not getting a ton of assistance"
that would mean a guy benching 405 raw would get 495 shirted....yeah, not much assistance there ::)
she is very strong, i give her credit, but i am not and never will be impressed by assisted lifting
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You guys need to give Lori a break. She is putting up 185 raw, so she's really not getting a ton of assistance to put up 225. Frankly, I think we all agree that her 185 raw lift is the more impressive of the two, but if she's competing in feds that allow the shirt, should she lose out on 1st place to prove a point? To whom?
Also, if she can set some records using the shirt and make a name for herself (like several Inzer-ized men have done), who can begrudge her that?
Team STEEL
That's nearly a 25% increase. Significant, I think.
Lori, please educate me on the intricacies of the bench press, since you're an expert.
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also, when doing bench press with your back arched like that makes it a decline press, it is not
even close to bench press....it is a powerlifting technique used to cheat the ROM in order to
appear to move more weight
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185 raw vs 225 shirted is a 22% increase..."not getting a ton of assistance"
that would mean a guy benching 405 raw would get 495 shirted....yeah, not much assistance there ::)
she is very strong, i give her credit, but i am not and never will be impressed by assisted lifting
That's nearly a 25% increase. Significant, I think.
Lori, please educate me on the intricacies of the bench press, since you're an expert.
In that video clip, it was actually 235 in the shirt, and I am fairly certain I can do a lot more. ;D
I'm no expert, but thanks so much for the compliments. ;)
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also, when doing bench press with your back arched like that makes it a decline press, it is not even close to bench press....it is a powerlifting technique used to cheat the ROM in order to appear to move more weight
Maybe 'he' lilkes to hold 'his' cock up high when lifting heavy weights ?
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I've argued this point a few times in the past and what it always comes down to is that regardless of the artificial weight lifted it is more entertaining for the pl crowds to see a man bench 900lbs than it is 600lbs....the shirt is of no consequence to fans or competitors....all that matters is the huge weight lifted.
i don't believe that for a second, why do you think world strongest man, oylmpic lifting etc are so popular? because it's unassisted, they don't wear shirts lifting atlas stones, nor do they wear some sort of assistance when doing oylmpic lifting, yet it's still a followed and exciting sport to see. Why? because it's man vs weight. That's like saying basketball would be better on trampolines cause they would jump higher, cause you know it's all about the vertical! People want to see athletes perform with as little assistance as possible hence the public outrage over performance enhancing drugs.
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i once lifted the front of my mustang GT off the ground and held it there for an hour.....it
weighed 3400lbs and i lifted it like nothing....i used a floor jack but that's just "equipment"
right!!???!?
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That's nearly a 25% increase. Significant, I think.
Okay, a 25% is statistically significant and I think close to the low average for a shirt-benefit, but certainly there are cheat techniques used by raw benchers every day in the gym (raising their butts and bouncing) and in competition (ridiculous arching and monster wide gripping).
Like Lori says, there are two classes of competition. You could say that bodybuilding does also (natural vs. open) and I don't see you guys bashing Pros for juicing. Why? For the same reason. People don't want to pay to see the 'ordinary' -- they want 'FREAKS' and I guess Jeremy Hoornstra's 675 raw just isn't as "FREAKY" as Gene Rychlak's shirted 1015.
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In that video clip, it was actually 235 in the shirt, and I am fairly certain I can do a lot more. ;D
I'm no expert, but thanks so much for the compliments. ;)
But you're clearly so much more knowledgable than I am, since you can assert that I know so little, DUCY???
235 without a shirt would bury you. 185 is a damn fine bench as it is, so don't get too upset about it.
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Okay, a 25% is statistically significant and I think close to the low average for a shirt-benefit, but certainly there are cheat techniques used by raw benchers every day in the gym (raising their butts and bouncing) and in competition (ridiculous arching and monster wide gripping).
Like Lori says, there are two classes of competition. You could say that bodybuilding does also (natural vs. open) and I don't see you guys bashing Pros for juicing. Why? For the same reason. People don't want to pay to see the 'ordinary' -- they want 'FREAKS' and I guess Jeremy Hoornstra's 675 raw just isn't as "FREAKY" as Gene Rychlak's shirted 1015.
There's nothing freaky about benching with a shirt. Raw benching a serious weight is freaky, though.
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But you're clearly so much more knowledgable than I am, since you can assert that I know so little, DUCY???
235 without a shirt would bury you. 185 is a damn fine bench as it is, so don't get too upset about it.
Rip has accomplished a lot, it's not very often in any gym that you see a 125 pound woman benching 225.
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There's nothing freaky about benching with a shirt. Raw benching a serious weight is freaky, though.
I saw this skinny black guy bench 405 x 12 or 13. He'd do it every 3 or 4 days, then do weighted pullups, and leave. That freaked me out cuz he was maaaaybe 160lbs.
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I saw this skinny black guy bench 405 x 12 or 13. He'd do it every 3 or 4 days, then do weighted pullups, and leave. That freaked me out cuz he was maaaaybe 160lbs.
bullshit.
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Rip has accomplished a lot, it's not very often in any gym that you see a 125 pound woman benching 225.
No, it's not. That's a crazy lift.
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bullshit.
Well I didn't weigh the guy but he looked like Candidizzle's size.
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Well I didn't weigh the guy but he looked like Candidizzle's size.
still gotta call bullshit wothout proof, sorry.
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still gotta call bullshit wothout proof, sorry.
Cool. I'm not going back there like, ever, so you'll have to not believe me...but this guy was retarded strong. Sounded like Mike Tyson too and liked to give the one armed man hug and say "my brutha...", even to us white guys.
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Rips arguments for shirts is that its two different division. FUCKING RETARDED. The point of powerlifting is to see how much a person can lift, right? So why have a division that includes mechanical assistance when the whole fucking point of the sport is to see how much a person can lift? Rip, do you think highjumpers should be allowed to wear spring loaded shoes, and they should have a spring loaded and non-spring loaded division. Thats how ridiculous bench shirts are.
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i once lifted the front of my mustang GT off the ground and held it there for an hour.....it
weighed 3400lbs and i lifted it like nothing....i used a floor jack but that's just "equipment"
right!!???!?
bullshit
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Rips arguments for shirts is that its two different division. FUCKING RETARDED. The point of powerlifting is to see how much a person can lift, right? So why have a division that includes mechanical assistance when the whole fucking point of the sport is to see how much a person can lift? Rip, do you think highjumpers should be allowed to wear spring loaded shoes, and they should have a spring loaded and non-spring loaded division. Thats how ridiculous bench shirts are.
Thank god you're here to agree with me. I can't fight this alone!
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bullshit
I believe this completely. My stepfather accomplished the same feat of strength with his Yukon. Don't worry about the jack though, it was still really impressive. He could've lifted a smaller car without the jack had he wanted to.
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that's nothing, i once lifted a 4000 pound die cast sitting on a pallet onto a shelf 20 feet into the air with a forklift like it was nothing. :o
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Thank god you're here to agree with me. I can't fight this alone!
Also, she fires off this bullshit. "You can't just throw on a shirt and all of the sudden bench more, it took me like 5 weeks to get used to it" HAHA, what a joke. I'm sure it did take 5 weeks to forget how to actually move the weight by yourself on the bottom end and let the shirt do the work. I'd like to see ANYONE increase their lifts by 25% in 5 weeks.
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I believe this completely. My stepfather accomplished the same feat of strength with his Yukon. Don't worry about the jack though, it was still really impressive. He could've lifted a smaller car without the jack had he wanted to.
that's insane...your stepfather must be famous, a yukon is much heavier than a mustang
without the "equipment" i can still throw my mountain bike in my car with NO problem
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that's nothing, i one lifted a 4000 pound die cast sitting on a pallet onto a shelf 20 feet into the air with a forklift like it was nothing. :o
Thats very respectable. Don't let anyone ever tell you it wasnt a good lift. Just say "hey you know what, theres a regular division and a forklift division, it doesnt make my feat less impressive" Youre the man!!! ;D
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Lots of misplaced anger here. Why don't any of you write letters to the Arnold Classic or Olympia organizers that have switched from Raw Bench to Assisted Bench competitions. Or to the feds that allow shirts. Lori's just a competitor, not the rule maker.
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Thats very respectable. Don't let anyone ever tell you it wasnt a good lift. Just say "hey you know what, theres a regular division and a forklift division, it doesnt make my feat less impressive" Youre the man!!! ;D
;D
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Also, she fires off this bullshit. "You can't just throw on a shirt and all of the sudden bench more, it took me like 5 weeks to get used to it" HAHA, what a joke. I'm sure it did take 5 weeks to forget how to actually move the weight by yourself on the bottom end and let the shirt do the work. I'd like to see ANYONE increase their lifts by 25% in 5 weeks.
Five MONTHS. ::)
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Lots of misplaced anger here. Why don't any of you write letters to the Arnold Classic or Olympia organizers that have switched from Raw Bench to Assisted Bench competitions. Or to the feds that allow shirts. Lori's just a competitor, not the rule maker.
Well, I'm allowed to have my opinion of people who compete with shirts on. You know what I really hate are the guys in the olympics that do the rowing and add a motor on the back of their boat. But its ok, theirs a rowing division and a rowing with a motor division. Errrrrrrrrrr wait :-\
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Also, she fires off this bullshit. "You can't just throw on a shirt and all of the sudden bench more, it took me like 5 weeks to get used to it" HAHA, what a joke. I'm sure it did take 5 weeks to forget how to actually move the weight by yourself on the bottom end and let the shirt do the work. I'd like to see ANYONE increase their lifts by 25% in 5 weeks.
in respect to her, i would probably need 5 weeks to get my feet to point outward like a fucking duck without fucking up
my knees, and arch my back so my dick is higher than the bar without herniating 5 discs, plus you gotta add in prep time
finding two buddies to pull on that "shirt"
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Five MONTHS. ::)
5 weeks, 5 months, who gives a shit. How long have you been lifting? Its still a ridiculous gain in a relatively short period of time.
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Lots of misplaced anger here. Why don't any of you write letters to the Arnold Classic or Olympia organizers that have switched from Raw Bench to Assisted Bench competitions. Or to the feds that allow shirts. Lori's just a competitor, not the rule maker.
Because I wouldn't attend the PL meet at either, even if I was there. Lori's going to recieve criticism based on her defending and participating the 'sport' that she's chosen, much like LunchTrey recieving criticism for his participation in the 'sport' that he's chosen.
Plus, when you watch the video she posted, you can't help but laugh at how little it resembles actually lifting weights.
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Well, I'm allowed to have my opinion of people who compete with shirts on. You know what I really hate are the guys in the olympics that do the rowing and add a motor on the back of their boat. But its ok, theirs a rowing division and a rowing with a motor division. Errrrrrrrrrr wait :-\
Hahaha I fucking laughed at this really loud and spit up some Diet Pepsi Max!!!
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Because I wouldn't attend the PL meet at either, even if I was there. Lori's going to recieve criticism based on her defending and participating the 'sport' that she's chosen, much like LunchTrey recieving criticism for his participation in the 'sport' that he's chosen.
Plus, when you watch the video she posted, you can't help but laugh at how little it resembles actually lifting weights.
how do you figure? she lowers the bar to her chest and pushed it back up, what's the difference?
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Hahaha I fucking laughed at this really loud and spit up some protien straight from the tap
fixed for the midget.
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Because I wouldn't attend the PL meet at either, even if I was there. Lori's going to recieve criticism based on her defending and participating the 'sport' that she's chosen, much like LunchTrey recieving criticism for his participation in the 'sport' that he's chosen.
Plus, when you watch the video she posted, you can't help but laugh at how little it resembles actually lifting weights.
Do you find yourself defending being a glorified male stripper?
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5 weeks, 5 months, who gives a shit. How long have you been lifting? Its still a ridiculous gain in a relatively short period of time.
I've been lifting forever...I trained with the shirt for the first time ever this year, and I worked with it for five months before using it in competition.
I still have a lot of gains still left to make with the shirt, which will translate into gains in my raw bench as well.
This is like arguing about religion... you're never gonna see it any other way, so I give up!
I would urge any of you who haven't done so to put a bench shirt on, throw 100 pounds on top of your max bench, get under the bar, and see what happens. ::)
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I've been lifting forever...I trained with the shirt for the first time ever this year, and I worked with it for five months before using it in competition.
I still have a lot of gains still left to make with the shirt, which will translate into gains in my raw bench as well.
This is like arguing about religion... you're never gonna see it any other way, so I give up!
I would urge any of you who haven't done so to put a bench shirt on, throw 100 pounds on top of your max bench, get under the bar, and see what happens. ::)
Why do you bother arguing with retards?
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I've been lifting forever...I trained with the shirt for the first time ever this year, and I worked with it for five months before using it in competition.
I still have a lot of gains still left to make with the shirt, which will translate into gains in my raw bench as well.
This is like arguing about religion... you're never gonna see it any other way, so I give up!
I would urge any of you who haven't done so to put a bench shirt on, throw 100 pounds on top of your max bench, get under the bar, and see what happens. ::)
Please analyze my comparisons to high jumping with springloaded shoes and rowing a boat with a motor on it. I'm saying the shirt is MECHANICAL assitance, just like the two things I listed. Please lets hear your thoughts on those.
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I've been lifting forever...I trained with the shirt for the first time ever this year, and I worked with it for five months before using it in competition.
I still have a lot of gains still left to make with the shirt, which will translate into gains in my raw bench as well.
This is like arguing about religion... you're never gonna see it any other way, so I give up!
I would urge any of you who haven't done so to put a bench shirt on, throw 100 pounds on top of your max bench, get under the bar, and see what happens. ::)
100lb increase?? someone would have to already be benching over 400lbs for this to work percentage wise
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Why do you bother arguing with retards?
Hardly. My argument is that it is ridiculous to allow mechanical assistance in a sport completely based upon how much weight a person can move.
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I've been lifting forever...I trained with the shirt for the first time ever this year, and I worked with it for five months before using it in competition.
I still have a lot of gains still left to make with the shirt, which will translate into gains in my raw bench as well.
This is like arguing about religion... you're never gonna see it any other way, so I give up!
I would urge any of you who haven't done so to put a bench shirt on, throw 100 pounds on top of your max bench, get under the bar, and see what happens. ::)
"ripitupbaby", could you post a video of you repping 135 with no shirt on at all? i would much rather see that
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Please analyze my comparisons to high jumping with springloaded shoes and rowing a boat with a motor on it. I'm saying the shirt is MECHANICAL assitance, just like the two things I listed. Please lets hear your thoughts on those.
You do a shit job at trying to sounding intelligent,
keep trying, you might fool someone one day,
like an inbred down syndrome kid maybe.
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Powerlifting...for when you don't have good bodybuilding genetics. ;)
bodybuilding... for when you don't have the balls to lift big weights.
Douchebag.
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Please analyze my comparisons to high jumping with springloaded shoes and rowing a boat with a motor on it. I'm saying the shirt is MECHANICAL assitance, just like the two things I listed. Please lets hear your thoughts on those.
If the analogous "sports" that you mention still required strength, form, technique, skill, hard training, discipline, and things like that, then SURE, there may be possibility for another division for those categories of competition.
I am doubting that putting a motor on a row boat falls into that category, but using spring loaded shoes for high jumping might. If that's the case, and if everyone in the competition is using them, then it might be an interesting sport to watch. ;D
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Well, I'm allowed to have my opinion of people who compete with shirts on. You know what I really hate are the guys in the olympics that do the rowing and add a motor on the back of their boat. But its ok, theirs a rowing division and a rowing with a motor division. Errrrrrrrrrr wait :-\
What a lot of people really hate are the guys who compete in bodybuilding shows who rely primarily on steroids to build their physiques and would look more like swimmers than bodybuilders without their gear. But it's okay, you're competing in the "drug" division. Post some pics of how you looked pre-juice so we can determine if it's more than a 25% improvement. My money says it's closer to 75%.
Either way, when it comes to benching, neither of you are doing it on your own.
Epic Hypocrisy.
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bodybuilding... for when you don't have the balls to lift big weights.
Douchebag.
powerlifting....for when your fat, ugly, and proud of it
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If the analogous "sports" that you mention still required strength, form, technique, skill, hard training, discipline, and things like that, then SURE, there may be possibility for another division for those categories of competition.
I am doubting that putting a motor on a row boat falls into that category, but using spring loaded shoes for high jumping might. If that's the case, and if everyone in the competition is using them, then it might be an interesting sport to watch. ;D
You lost the bloated mess on Analagous,
just so you know.
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this guy powerlifts ... hahah he cant even believe the pic above him hahha
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If the analogous "sports" that you mention still required strength, form, technique, skill, hard training, discipline, and things like that, then SURE, there may be possibility for another division for those categories of competition.
I am doubting that putting a motor on a row boat falls into that category, but using spring loaded shoes for high jumping might. If that's the case, and if everyone in the competition is using them, then it might be an interesting sport to watch. ;D
You just don't get it. Certain sports such as sprinting, throwing, any type of jumping, swimming, powerlifting etc are all asports that test the performace capability of the HUMAN BODY. So adding any type of mechanincal assistace to those sports totally defeats the purspose of the competition.
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You just don't get it. Certain sports such as sprinting, throwing, any type of jumping, swimming, powerlifting etc are all sports that test the performace capability of the HUMAN BODY. So adding any type of mechanincal pharmaceutical assistance to those sports totally defeats the purspose of the competition.
Fixed.
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"ripitupbaby", could you post a video of you repping 135 with no shirt on at all? i would much rather see that
Too easy. 8)
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Fixed.
Valid, but pharmacueticals simply increase the perfomance capabilities of the human body, they are not MECHANICAL assistance.
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Thats very respectable. Don't let anyone ever tell you it wasnt a good lift. Just say "hey you know what, theres a regular division and a forklift division, it doesnt make my feat less impressive" Youre the man!!! ;D
LOL. I have my chequebook at the ready. Please send me an application form posthaste.
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If the analogous "sports" that you mention still required strength, form, technique, skill, hard training, discipline, and things like that, then SURE, there may be possibility for another division for those categories of competition.
I am doubting that putting a motor on a row boat falls into that category, but using spring loaded shoes for high jumping might. If that's the case, and if everyone in the competition is using them, then it might be an interesting sport to watch. ;D
OMFG, did you just say what I think you said? So rowing and high jumping don't take ALL of those listed? Seriously, you just showed your ignorance is more widespread than originally thought.
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Valid, but pharmacueticals simply increase the perfomance capabilities of the human body, they are not MECHANICAL assistance.
And to clarify, your distinction is that artificially increasing the performance capabilities of the human body through pharmaceuticals is significantly different than artificially increasing the performance capabilities of the human body through a bench shirt?
I thought your point was to test the limits of the human body. Are animal hormones like Tren and Equipoise considered within the realm of human limitations?
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fixed for the midget.
That's really all you got, isn't it. At least I've posted pics.
plus, isn't the troll you're defending like 4'3"?
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What a lot of people really hate are the guys who compete in bodybuilding shows who rely primarily on steroids to build their physiques and would look more like swimmers than bodybuilders without their gear. But it's okay, you're competing in the "drug" division. Post some pics of how you looked pre-juice so we can determine if it's more than a 25% improvement. My money says it's closer to 75%.
Either way, when it comes to benching, neither of you are doing it on your own.
Epic Hypocrisy.
Special Ed, Crusher of Hopes and Dreams
bwahahahahaha
Jason
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Another very important point. FOLLOW THE MONEY! What I mean is Inzer, Titan etc are by far the biggest sponserer's of powerlifting currrently. There is much $ to be lost by taking shirts out of the sport. This is probably in reality the biggest issue that keeps the redicilious shirts in play.
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OMFG, did you just say what I think you said? So rowing and high jumping don't take ALL of those listed? Seriously, you just showed your ignorance is more widespread than originally thought.
Re-read the posts and go look up the word "analogous." ::)
What I said was that putting a motor on the boat doesn't take all of those things and therefore wasn't a very good analogy.
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And to clarify, your distinction is that artificially increasing the performance capabilities of the human body through pharmaceuticals is significantly different than artificially increasing the performance capabilities of the human body through a bench shirt?
I thought your point was to test the limits of the human body. Are animal hormones like Tren and Equipoise considered within the realm of human limitations?
You have a valid argument, but it's really not as pertinent to this discussion as you think. A more valid perspective would be to say implants are to bodybuilding as bench shirts are to powerlifting, in which case, I'd agree with you.
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Re-read the posts and go look up the word "analogous." ::)
What I said was that putting a motor on the boat doesn't take all of those things and therefore wasn't a very good analogy.
I stopped at anal. There's too much G4P up in this bitch as it is.
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You have a valid argument, but it's really not as pertinent to this discussion as you think. A more valid perspective would be to say implants are to bodybuilding as bench shirts are to powerlifting, in which case, I'd agree with you.
Exactly.
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Another very important point. FOLLOW THE MONEY! What I mean is Inzer, Titan etc are by far the biggest sponserer's of powerlifting currrently. There is much $ to be lost by taking shirts out of the sport. This is probably in reality the biggest issue that keeps the redicilious shirts in play.
Holy shit, a valid argument!
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You have a valid argument, but it's really not as pertinent to this discussion as you think. A more valid perspective would be to say implants are to bodybuilding as bench shirts are to powerlifting, in which case, I'd agree with you.
By your (and WBB's) arguments, Synthol would be a better analogy and more acceptable to you despite its ability to increase arm size by at least the same percentage of enhancement that a bench shirt would offer to a bench presser.
Just admit that a drug-free, raw bencher is the only guy really deserving of our respect and we can sign the settlement papers.
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By your (and WBB's) arguments, Synthol would be a better analogy and more acceptable to you despite its ability to increase arm size by at least the same percentage of enhancement that a bench shirt would offer to a bench presser.
Just admit that a drug-free, raw bencher is the only guy really deserving of our respect and we can sign the settlement papers.
Fax me the paperwork, I'm sick of arguing for today >:(
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By your (and WBB's) arguments, Synthol would be a better analogy and more acceptable to you despite its ability to increase arm size by at least the same percentage of enhancement that a bench shirt would offer to a bench presser.
Just admit that a drug-free, raw bencher is the only guy really deserving of our respect and we can sign the settlement papers.
But what about people who use protein powders and vitamin supplements? They may not be drugs but they increase performance. What do we do with them?
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;D
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Special Ed, Crusher of Hopes and Dreams
bwahahahahaha
Jason
assisted powerlifting- 'strength' thru technology.
i wonder how many of these amature 'powerlifters' who use compression suits would be able to stand in a squat rack raw, with say even 500 on the bar and do nice deep reps, conventional, not sumo without their knees buckling.
jpegg, dont even try for a minute to say you could, if it wasn't for the fact you use compression, your lifts would not be impressive, nor would you be able to hide behind the title of being a 'powerlifter' instead of just owning up to the fact you are weak without equipment, and look horrible.
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True, but what is the fucking point of the shirt?
wearing shirts nad compression suits not only allows your body to support that kind of weight and protects it but also allows it to function more fluidly and efficiently..
or so i'm told... I lift raw. I was asked by a pro female lifter yesterday why I don't use shirts or suits. I have no problems with hte people that use them.. i just have more respect for a person benching 500 raw than one that uses a shirt to do it.
Again you have to have the physical strength to move the weight to begin with and support it. You then have to LEARN how to properly use the gear because it's not just something you put on and gain a s hitload of strength. It's a whole new TECHNICAL ball game..again..why I don't use that shit but it would be impossible to see the numbers put up today without the aid and protection of gear.
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few good points...
and alot of uneducated ones.
I love this place! ;D
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Just admit that a drug-free, raw bencher is the only guy really deserving of our respect and we can sign the settlement papers.
It's more a matter of working the "helpers" into the equation. The way I see it, Lori, without any help, chemical or mechanical, is good for about a 150 bench.
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It's more a matter of working the "helpers" into the equation. The way I see it, Lori, without any help, chemical or mechanical, is good for about a 150 bench.
Which is more than respectable. In 20-odd years I've seen exactly two(2) women BP 135.
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Valid, but pharmacueticals simply increase the perfomance capabilities of the human body, they are not MECHANICAL assistance.
What about polevaulting? :D
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assisted powerlifting- 'strength' thru technology.
i wonder how many of these amature 'powerlifters' who use compression suits would be able to stand in a squat rack raw, with say even 500 on the bar and do nice deep reps, conventional, not sumo without their knees buckling.
jpegg, dont even try for a minute to say you could, if it wasn't for the fact you use compression, your lifts would not be impressive, nor would you be able to hide behind the title of being a 'powerlifter' instead of just owning up to the fact you are weak without equipment, and look horrible.
And, oh wise one has ever performed a sumo squat? You are nothing.
Jason
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Which is more than respectable. In 20-odd years I've seen exactly two(2) women BP 135.
For a petite woman, it's a lot. No doubt.
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Which is more than respectable. In 20-odd years I've seen exactly two(2) women BP 135.
I watched a girl kid you not just a frog's hair above 100lbs bench 155 at the metroflex push/pull meet not a handful of months ago! She's a fitness competitor to boot!
[urlhttp://metroflexgym.com/bio_jean.htm][/url]
that's her!
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I watched a girl kid you not just a frog's hair above 100lbs bench 155 at the metroflex push/pull meet not a handful of months ago! She's a fitness competitor to boot!
[urlhttp://metroflexgym.com/bio_jean.htm][/url]
that's her!
thanks for making me feel like a 100 lb bitch who can barely bench 155 lbs :-X
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And, oh wise one has ever performed a sumo squat? You are nothing.
Jason
hahaha did you laugh at that comment too?
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Shirted benching impresses me about as much as the guy in the Gorilla mask that does Trampoline dunks
BFD
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Shirted benching impresses me about as much as the guy in the Gorilla mask that does Trampoline dunks
BFD
C'mon, it's pretty sick when they do it from halfcourt and shit, no?
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C'mon, it's pretty sick when they do it from halfcourt and shit, no?
Yes they have their TECHNIQUE down pat ;D
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Equipped powerlifting (shirts, suits) is totally and completely different than raw powerlifting. You train differently, you do the lifts differently, and you use different weights.
Powerlifting is not going downhill. Both raw and equipped forms are progressing and evolving. Take each of them for what they are - both require ALOT of strength, technique, and hard training to be successful - and leave it at that. 8)
Very well put.
Chris
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And, oh wise one has ever performed a sumo squat? You are nothing.
Jason
you so much to be proud of.
lol.
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you so much to be proud of.
lol.
he squats over 800, pulls 700 and is a war veteran who recovered from a wound that would have killed you, you're nothing next to him.
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he squats over 800, pulls 700 and is a war veteran who recovered from a wound that would have killed you, you're nothing next to him.
::)
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I don't think powerlifting is doing itself many favours. Imo it has the potential to become an Olympic sport, but introducing 3 and 4 ply shirts is doing the sport no favours whatsoever. Where do you draw the line? When the shirts are built with thicker chests so you only have to lower the bar a couple of inches?
Surely wearing a shirt doesn't make you stronger? It only gives you the equivalent of a few hundred/thousand extra tendons to assist you to move additional weight which you otherwise couldn't. Take the shirt off and you're just as strong as you were raw?
On the point on lowering the bar with a shirt, I know people who have had to PULL the bar down because they are wearing a shirt, that hardly makes it that impressive pressing it back up again?
I agree it takes a lot of time and hard work to get the most out of a shirt, but why bother if you don't suffer from bad joints?
Anyways, each to their own and all that. Each are treated separately and rightly so, but personally I plan on competing in an equipped national deadlift comp in the next few weeks and winning it raw ;)
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I don't think powerlifting is doing itself many favours. Imo it has the potential to become an Olympic sport, but introducing 3 and 4 ply shirts is doing the sport no favours whatsoever. Where do you draw the line? When the shirts are built with thicker chests so you only have to lower the bar a couple of inches?
Surely wearing a shirt doesn't make you stronger? It only gives you the equivalent of a few hundred/thousand extra tendons to assist you to move additional weight which you otherwise couldn't. Take the shirt off and you're just as strong as you were raw?
On the point on lowering the bar with a shirt, I know people who have had to PULL the bar down because they are wearing a shirt, that hardly makes it that impressive pressing it back up again?
I agree it takes a lot of time and hard work to get the most out of a shirt, but why bother if you don't suffer from bad joints?
Anyways, each to their own and all that. Each are treated separately and rightly so, but personally I plan on competing in an equipped national deadlift comp in the next few weeks and winning it raw ;)
The oddest part of this argument (equipment) is how closely that it parallels arguments about religion or politics. So many guys are so quick to point out how the way they do it is superior, and those who use gear or dont walk squats out are cheaters. The best part? We dont care. I, as a multi ply lifter, am not conceted to the point some of you are where I fail to realize that strong is strong. I can appreciate Wade Hooper squatting 777 just as much as I can Vlad Alhazov squatting 1250. Both are strong. To those guys who think that the equipment does all of the work and absolutely fail to recognize or refuse to respect some of the numbers the multi ply guys do, i just ask you to unrack it. Take 1100lbs out of the squat rack, and just stand up with it. Dont try to squat it, just take the weight onto your back. Unrack 800lbs on the bench and hold it at arms length. It probably will not change your mind about the equipment being "cheating", but I think you might gain a little more respect for guys that do it.
Jason
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how do you figure? she lowers the bar to her chest and pushed it back up, what's the difference?
Did you watch the video?