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Just thinking (while watching the latest edition of the news)......kids these dayz should graduate from high school, pick their choice of service for a minimum of 2 years, then go from there & see what happens.
Jade
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maybe in peace time if we had a sane admin-but i wouldnt want to send my kid or anybody elses to suffer in one of these immoral oil grabs/occupations/unlawful wars. Its pretty sick. :-\
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no fucking way
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Just thinking (while watching the latest edition of the news)......kids these dayz should graduate from high school, pick their choice of service for a minimum of 2 years, then go from there & see what happens.
Any Getbig thoughts?
Jade
Jade, you must have very low expectations for your children.
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maybe in peace time if we had a sane admin-but i wouldnt want to send my kid or anybody elses to suffer in one of these immoral oil grabs/occupations/unlawful wars. Its pretty sick. :-\
Sorry, I meant to say peace time. IMO, the IRAQ issue is way f**cked up. Honestly, what is the point? I don't get it.
My friend that lives 2 houses down from me has 2 years until retirement......he just got shipped back to Iraq for 6+ months. ???
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If the person was to learn a trade and profession such as a Mechanic and a stipulation that the person saw no military action conflict in there 2 years it would not be such a bad thing.
Though not all people conscripted would not pass the Psych test.
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maybe in peace time if we had a sane admin-but i wouldnt want to send my kid or anybody elses to suffer in one of these immoral oil grabs/occupations/unlawful wars. Its pretty sick. :-\
Thank you.
It shocked me how many sheep were on this board who can't think about this issue independently. It's nice to see that some people realize how immoral this war is. It is not serving the interests of the country, just the elite families who want in on this war.
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Mankind's short-sightedness, self-destructiveness and ignorance amazes me day after day. Our apathy is astonishing. We'd rather tune out the Iraq war like a played out TV show rather than do something about it.
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Mankind's short-sightedness, self-destructiveness and ignorance amazes me day after day. Our apathy is astonishing. We'd rather tune out the Iraq war like a played out TV show rather than do something about it.
What are you doing about it?
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Thank you.
It shocked me how many sheep were on this board who can't think about this issue independently. It's nice to see that some people realize how immoral this war is. It is not serving the interests of the country, just the elite families who want in on this war.
The Iraq thing is just f-in stupid. I see vets every week. Missing arms, legs, faces, whatever....it really makes ya think. Hey, why should I complain about anything?
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What are you doing about it?
I'm committed to learning all I can to achieve a vast awareness of reality through research, truth filtering, history, and all sorts of information. I share drops of all this info where I may achieve the best possible ripple effect.
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Just thinking (while watching the latest edition of the news)......kids these dayz should graduate from high school, pick their choice of service for a minimum of 2 years, then go from there & see what happens.
Jade
I think everyone should be required a minimum of 2 years of Armed Forces service for the right to vote
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I'm committed to learning all I can to achieve a vast awareness of reality through research, truth filtering, history, and all sorts of information. I share drops of all this info where I may achieve the best possible ripple effect.
So you browse the net at your leisure about such things when you can be bothered and then make a post or 2 about it? OK ;D
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Sorry, I meant to say peace time. IMO, the IRAQ issue is way f**cked up. Honestly, what is the point? I don't get it.
My friend that lives 2 houses down from me has 2 years until retirement......he just got shipped back to Iraq for 6+ months. ???
Why are they sending a 60+ year old to Iraq? :D
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Just thinking (while watching the latest edition of the news)......kids these dayz should graduate from high school, pick their choice of service for a minimum of 2 years, then go from there & see what happens.
Jade
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Why are they sending a 60+ year old to Iraq? :D
He's 42.
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Christ...aren't we "forced" to do enough things in this country with out mandatory military service??!!
Are we living in communist Russia???
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Thank you.
It shocked me how many sheep were on this board who can't think about this issue independently. It's nice to see that some people realize how immoral this war is. It is not serving the interests of the country, just the elite families who want in on this war.
which war are you talking about, Matt?
are you opposed to all war or specific ones?
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Christ...aren't we "forced" to do enough things in this country with out mandatory military service??!!
Are we living in communist Russia???
Exactly. I'm not an American, but it doesn't matter - nothing should be mandatory, esp. if it originates from the Government in the form of 'duty' in whatever way or form
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So you browse the net at your leisure about such things when you can be bothered and then make a post or 2 about it? OK ;D
lol don't forget the library. It's a sacrifice in that my financial well being suffers, but It's great to know I have a better understanding of the nature of reality than millions of generations of humans before me (most likely).
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which war are you talking about, Matt?
are you opposed to all war or specific ones?
Preemptive wars which are not even preemptive, but truly based on oil monies, wars to acquire the opium fields in Afghanistan. These types of wars I am against. I quit the CF when Canada started selling out to the Bush Administration and its lies. If weapons of mass destruction were truly what were being sought, why not go for North Korea? Furthermore, why is the US the only country in the world allowed to have WSMs?
It's also about perpetual conflict and constant profits reaped by the defense contractors. They don't even care if we figure that out or not at this point.
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I have a better understanding of the nature of reality than millions of generations of humans before me (most likely).
Based on what I've seen from your posts about the Pineal glands and mushrooms, I'll have to politely disagree ;D
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Preemptive wars which are not even preemptive, but truly based on oil monies, wars to acquire the opium fields in Afghanistan. These types of wars I am against. I quit the CF when Canada started selling out to the Bush Administration and its lies. If weapons of mass destruction were truly what were being sought, why not go for North Korea? Furthermore, why is the US the only country in the world allowed to have WSMs?
It's also about perpetual conflict and constant profits reaped by the defense contractors. They don't even care if we figure that out or not at this point.
don't forget Israel, they can have all the nukes they want but God forbid Iran or Syria has them. ::)
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don't forget Israel, they can have all the nukes they want but God forbid Iran or Syria has them. ::)
Deep down, not one other Muslim country wants either of them with nukes either. They're just letting us go about it.
lol don't forget the library. It's a sacrifice in that my financial well being suffers, but It's great to know I have a better understanding of the nature of reality than millions of generations of humans before me (most likely).
HAHAHAHAH!
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Based on what I've seen from your posts about the Pineal glands and mushrooms, I'll have to politely disagree ;D
lol I can create a torrential rainstorm of info through just one post about those two subjects if I wanted.
HAHAHAHAH!
Are you suggesting that anyone existing before the age of technology could possibly have had access to such information?
ps- if you do you believe in aliens & cosmic consciousness ;)
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the new Iraq will be under de leadership of the grandson of the martyred Saddam Hussein whos currently living in exile in Jordan, the puppet regime in Baghdad will be destroyed and the infidels get their tombs in the beautiful parcs of Baghdad. the legacy of his excellency will be continued, those who collaborated with the agressor and or criticised the regime will be hanged.
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Furthermore, why is the US the only country in the world allowed to have WSMs?
World's Strongest Man?
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Being a true patriot doesn't meaning joining the military.
What it does mean is speaking your mind, and not giving into some greedy government war meant to benefit corporations and blue blood famalies.
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Just thinking (while watching the latest edition of the news)......kids these dayz should graduate from high school, pick their choice of service for a minimum of 2 years, then go from there & see what happens.
Jade
agree 100%
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There is so much I want to say on this subject and to many of you who have already commented but I don't feel like wasting my breath on political topics with a bunch of morons. All I will say is serving your country in either the military or political arenas which directly better the said country is the greatest thing you can do to truly show your appreciation for where you come from and honor all those who came before you and made things the way they are. I don't see why so many people who honestly don't have all the facts seem to always jump on the negative side of the bandwagon and never acknowledge the positive. Basically FUCK YOU and you know if I am talking to you.
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What would Muhammad Ali do?
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Having been in the military I can honestly say it was a good experience. The military is however filled with a large portion of idiots which I guess is true of anywhere. I find that it is especially true with the military where the majority of enlisted personnel either have no education beyond high school. For many of them the military was there only option. Quite honestly they also make good soldiers because they are quite susceptible to manipulation. Also, I think the idea of the military has been romanticized to the point of being ridiculous. Military life for most is like regular life, you get up and go to work then come home this is particularly boring if you work a technical job.
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Based on what I've seen from your posts about the Pineal glands and mushrooms, I'll have to politely disagree ;D
haha, figgs posted about DMT didn't he? ;D
don't forget Israel, they can have all the nukes they want but God forbid Iran or Syria has them. ::)
Absolutely true!
World's Strongest Man?
LOL!!! Good catch! It was a Freudian slip or something.
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haha, figgs posted about DMT didn't he? ;D
Absolutely true!
LOL!!! Good catch! It was a Freudian slip or something.
::) The President of Iran is talking of wiping a country of the map and you think they should have nukes ::)
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::) The President of Iran is talking of wiping a country of the map and you think they should have nukes ::)
1) He *may* have said that once a while ago - the translation is admittedly loose, and for all the speaking he's done, if he maybe only said it once, it's a little hard to say it's conclusive
2) Adhmedijahad is #3 in his country and doesn't even have the power to declare war if he wanted to; He's the Nancy Pelosi of Iran.
3) He's very unpopular in his own country and will probably lose re-election.
4) Iran has helped extremists - not Al Quida, but other groups - kill our troops. For that, we should happily drop a few hundred missiles on them. Not because some powerless guy might have said something once.
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Based on what I've seen from your posts about the Pineal glands and mushrooms, I'll have to politely disagree ;D
Are you saying you'd be more prone to appreciate Figg's internet accolades if the penis gland had been an admitted area of expertise/diligent study, Kiwiol?
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Why would anyone choose military service over working for Musclephone.com?
Thanks Musclephone, for saving my kids' lives!!
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World's Strongest Man?
Ha ha ha! Yeah Matt's a gay Canadian alright.
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::) The President of Iran is talking of wiping a country of the map and you think they should have nukes ::)
It's been known for a while now that Matt C is far from being considered "intelligent" on here. :-\
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Having been in the military I can honestly say it was a good experience. The military is however filled with a large portion of idiots which I guess is true of anywhere. I find that it is especially true with the military where the majority of enlisted personnel either have no education beyond high school. For many of them the military was there only option. Quite honestly they also make good soldiers because they are quite susceptible to manipulation. Also, I think the idea of the military has been romanticized to the point of being ridiculous. Military life for most is like regular life, you get up and go to work then come home this is particularly boring if you work a technical job.
Seems like the military will suck as long as there is no mandatory service.
Without mandatory service (like Israel) there is a big risk that only those without any chance of getting a real education will get into the military.
And the Harvard, MIT and Yale grads will stay away from doing their duty.
Which in turn leads to several things:
1. Less competence in the military
2. Less diversity
3. A bigger "us and them" mentality, where the soldiers in the field experiences that they don't have the support of their countrymen OR the politicians.
It was a whole different ballgame in WWII, or even in the Vietnam War, where the draft made sure people from all social classes were recruited. It meant that the soldiers usually felt that the people back home supported them even though they were against the war.
"Bring our boys home" was a frequent theme during the Vietnam war.
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There is so much I want to say on this subject and to many of you who have already commented but I don't feel like wasting my breath on political topics with a bunch of morons. All I will say is serving your country in either the military or political arenas which directly better the said country is the greatest thing you can do to truly show your appreciation for where you come from and honor all those who came before you and made things the way they are. I don't see why so many people who honestly don't have all the facts seem to always jump on the negative side of the bandwagon and never acknowledge the positive. Basically FUCK YOU and you know if I am talking to you.
This assumes the official story is true. If the US soldiers are in Iraq to actually do something good for Iraq or other people in the world, I could accept that. That is an awfully big assumption though.
Having been in the military I can honestly say it was a good experience. The military is however filled with a large portion of idiots which I guess is true of anywhere. I find that it is especially true with the military where the majority of enlisted personnel either have no education beyond high school. For many of them the military was there only option. Quite honestly they also make good soldiers because they are quite susceptible to manipulation. Also, I think the idea of the military has been romanticized to the point of being ridiculous. Military life for most is like regular life, you get up and go to work then come home this is particularly boring if you work a technical job.
Wow...
These mirror my views exactly. I was in the Canadian army for years, and let me tell you - I worked with more morons than I could shake a stick at. All manner of sub-90 IQ scum who did not have the intellectual processing power to question any objective set forth to them by the federal government. As you said, by and large they were only in the military because they had no other option, and that is exactly why I quit. I was way too good for a job like that. Despite my numerous certificates of achievement I obtained in the military, I was never treated with respect by many of my superiors, and I had no clue why. Looking back, the simplest explanation of this was purely jealously. They were old, ugly, had a grade 10 education, and definitely not getting laid any time soon. It actually offends me now that I actually tried to improve myself when that's all it was. On one hand, I am very proud of my military achievements, but on the other hand, I resent giving so many good years to the Canadian Forces. It's love hate I guess.
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It's been known for a while now that Matt C is far from being considered "intelligent" on here. :-\
Matt C looks at things from a "What is right/wrong?" perspective. In that aspect, he is right about a lot of the things he says.
You and I, BerzerkFury, look at things from a "USA is #1 and kiss our ass if you don't like it" perspective. We see things that he sees as shady, as necessary for staying #1.
It's just different goggles... he sees things in the moral sense for everyone, we see things in the utilitarian sense for the USA. If we have to break a few arms on the other side of the world to keep things good here, you and I are all for it. he is not. So you shouldn't say he's not intelligent - he can verify most of what he says with facts - he just has different goggles on than we do.
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It's been known for a while now that Matt C is far from being considered "intelligent" on here. :-\
Yes, by you.
::) The President of Iran is talking of wiping a country of the map and you think they should have nukes ::)
He was talking about Israel, so I have no problem with that. ;D
PS - Special Ed also called me unintelligent. Now I disagree with Ed on a few things (for example, Ed feels 9.11 was an attack by Arabs, while I think it is an inside job). I do not go and call Ed stupid or what have you. I think he is intelligent, but likely biased. I would not be debating his intelligence, but I would look into whether or not he is indeed biased however.
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USA #1?
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Regarding Vietnam, certain Harvard and Yale graduates didn't have to serve. We call those people "Presidents".
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Matt C looks at things from a "What is right/wrong?" perspective. In that aspect, he is right about a lot of the things he says.
You and I, BerzerkFury, look at things from a "USA is #1 and kiss our ass if you don't like it" perspective. We see things that he sees as shady, as necessary for staying #1.
It's just different goggles... he sees things in the moral sense for everyone, we see things in the utilitarian sense for the USA. If we have to break a few arms on the other side of the world to keep things good here, you and I are all for it. he is not. So you shouldn't say he's not intelligent - he can verify most of what he says with facts - he just has different goggles on than we do.
Hahaha, when you put it that way, I'm sadly inclined to agree.
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Hahaha, when you put it that way, I'm sadly inclined to agree.
It is what it is. The way the world works. Smile and have some ice cream :)
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You can feel it's alright for the United States to police the whole world if you want, but to suggest it's a stupid opinion to be against that is a little absurd.
Great example of the US government not minding their own business:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2644.html
Discuss.
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You can feel it's alright for the United States to police the whole world if you want, but to suggest it's a stupid opinion to be against that is a little absurd.
Great example of the US government not minding their own business:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2644.html
Discuss.
Well, build up an army and put us in our place. Oh wait. :-X
Fact of the matter is that when you have far and away the most dominant military on the planet, you're allowed to do things like that without repercussion. It's one of the perks that comes with being the best. Sorry that you don't get to experience that out in Bumfucksville, Canada. But your anti-USA rants on the internet are definitely going to get you places.
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Well, build up an army and put us in our place. Oh wait. :-X
Fact of the matter is that when you have far and away the most dominant military on the planet, you're allowed to do things like that without repercussion. It's one of the perks that comes with being the best. Sorry that you don't get to experience that out in Bumfucksville, Canada. But your anti-USA rants on the internet are definitely going to get you places.
Epic f'n truth right there. Hell, I might print this out and hang it on my wall ;D
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Well, build up an army and put us in our place. Oh wait. :-X
Fact of the matter is that when you have far and away the most dominant military on the planet, you're allowed to do things like that without repercussion. It's one of the perks that comes with being the best. Sorry that you don't get to experience that out in Bumfucksville, Canada. But your anti-USA rants on the internet are definitely going to get you places.
Yes, I understand you can do that with so much power. The Mafia can ask you for all of your life's savings and you would likely be inclined to give it to them as well. That's not to say their request is a moral action, and that is my point; that the US is being immoral in their heavily interventionist foreign policy. Most Canadians and Europeans are against the war in Iraq. Now if it truly was a preemptive war, we may still have problems, that being that you can't just attack any country that you think will attack you. That said, if there were WMDs, we might feel a little differently. Attacking countries for oil and lying to the people is not a good form of government. I'm surprised fewer Americans agree with this, at least based on some of the comments on here. That said, Bush's approval rating is what? Under 35%?
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Yes, I understand you can do that with so much power. The Mafia can ask you for all of your life's savings and you would likely be inclined to give it to them as well. That's not to say their request is a moral action, and that is my point; that the US is being immoral in their heavily interventionist foreign policy. Most Canadians and Europeans are against the war in Iraq. Now if it truly was a preemptive war, we may still have problems, that being that you can't just attack any country that you think will attack you. That said, if there were WMDs, we might feel a little differently. Attacking countries for oil and lying to the people is not a good form of government. I'm surprised fewer Americans agree with this, at least based on some of the comments on here. That said, Bush's approval rating is what? Under 35%?
You claim that the Iraq war is bad from a moral point of view.
Well, Bush seems to think otherwise. He has God on his side. So I don't think you're getting anywhere there, sport.
What is true, and what anyone can see, is that the US economy has slowed down over the last year or so.
Another thing that is an absolute truth, is that USA has been running a negative budget the last couple of years.
With the military spending being roughly 30% of every tax dollar.
So you tell me Matt C, is the war really a problem from a moral point of view...
Or is it perhaps, a problem from a objective point of view, ie USA is actually making a net loss instead of a net gain from the Iraq war?
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This assumes the official story is true. If the US soldiers are in Iraq to actually do something good for Iraq or other people in the world, I could accept that. That is an awfully big assumption though.
It's people like you who always seem to question everything concerning governments in a negative manner that are fucking morons. Honestly WTF is "This assumes the official story is true", I mean seriously whats with people constantly questioning everything their government says in a manner to assume it's some kind of conspiracy, It's OFFICIAL what more do you need to know. I think 99.9% of the time we are either getting the truth or it's covered up for a reason serious enough that we really shouldn't/don't need to know for our own good. I mean yes there are people who could know, can handle it and could possibly help but that's not the majority so there is no reason to make everything public knowledge when only those on the inside really need to know. All I know is I live in the best country in the world and we on average have a great standard of living compared to everyone else in the world, I think my government knows what it's doing and if it does fuck up here or there can fix it and move on in the proper manner. Everyone fucks up here or there but as long as your #1 does it really matter.
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Sorry, I meant to say peace time. IMO, the IRAQ issue is way f**cked up. Honestly, what is the point? I don't get it.
My friend that lives 2 houses down from me has 2 years until retirement......he just got shipped back to Iraq for 6+ months. ???
then whats the fucking point,i am against this war just as much as the next guy,but if you join the military you arent suppose to be doing it for a summercamp .
bench
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then whats the fucking point,i am against this war just as much as the next guy,but if you join the military you arent suppose to be doing it for a summercamp .
bench
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know, people seem to forget an armies full time job is to be on call for battle 24/7, that comes before anything and everything unless otherwise stated by someone from above. I am not saying we need to always be fighting but we need to be prepared to do so extremely effectively at a moments notice.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know, people seem to forget an armies full time job is to be on call for battle 24/7, that comes before anything and everything unless otherwise stated by someone from above. I am not saying we need to always be fighting but we need to be prepared to do so extremely effectively at a moments notice.
some people only pretend to be smart on the internet,i cant believe no one has pointed this out yet.
bench
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::) The President of Iran is talking of wiping a country of the map and you think they should have nukes ::)
He was talking about the zionist regime wiping out just like the us wanted to get rid of the ussr, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is very loyal to the jewish community.